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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course |
| Date | 2017-01-12 19:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <edq1u7F4konU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Am 12.01.2017 18:41, schrieb alsor@interia.pl:
>>>> You provided this equation:
>>>> gamma = 1/sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2)
>>>>
>>>> and wanted to know, what happens at this point:
>>>> v = c
>>>>
>>>> I plug this into your equation and come to:
>>>>
>>>> gamma = 1/sqrt(1 - c^2/c^2)= 1/ sqrt(1-1) = 1/ 0
>>>>
>>>> How do you get 0/0 ??
>>>>
>>>> Then you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> p = gamma*m*v
>>>>
>>>> in case of
>>>> v=c
>>>>
>>>> Gamma is infinity, mass is zero and v is c.
>>>>
>>>> so we have
>>>>
>>>> p= infinity * zero * c
>>>>
>>>> And I refused to regard this as valid equation, but called that 'Voodoo'.
>>
>>>
>>> Oh, the infamous Androcles' Einstein division by zero error again!
>>>
>> Sorry, but I didn't know about this subject.
>>
>> I tried to defend my assumption, that E=m* c² is wrong.
>>
>> In my understand E and m are antagonistic terms.
>>
>> So: more E (energy) means less m (mass).
>>
>> This is supported by experimental evidence, but is different to what
>> Einstein said (E=m * c²).
>>
>> In case you want to defend Gary Harnagel's position, than please. You
>> are welcome.
>>
>> I used 'reductio ad absurdo' to prove Harnagel's position wrong.
>>
>>
>> TH
>
> indeed.
> the correct is:
>
> E = dm c^2;
> where dm is a mass deficit of a system.
mass deficit is not 'dm', but 'delta m'. ('d' denotes infinitesimal
small change).
In fact you need a minus sign, since mass is going down and energy is
positive.
So we get:
E = - delta(m)* c²
And if you would would read one of my first posts to this thread, you
would find that equation.
>
> The: E = mc^2 is just another relativistic fallacy...
>
> dE = vdp
>
> then using: p = mv gamma:
> E(v) = mc^2 gamma - mc^2
>
> therefore one stupid can conclude:
>
> E(v=0) = -mc^2
>
in fact:
E = - delta(m)* c²
TH
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Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course alsor@interia.pl - 2017-01-15 16:27 -0800
Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-16 06:57 +0100
Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-12 07:57 +0100
Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-12 08:04 +0100
Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-01-12 09:21 +0100
Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-12 18:20 +0100
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Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-12 19:58 +0100
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Re: E = mc^2 : Einstein was not the author of course Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-12 16:27 -0800
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