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Re: LIGO experiment seen gravitational waves?

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: LIGO experiment seen gravitational waves?
Date 2015-10-18 06:49 +0200
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Am 17.10.2015 12:20, schrieb Gary Harnagel:

>>>> I have assumed, that SRT
>>>> is wrong.
>>>
>>> There certainly is precedent for this, as GR (implicitly) makes that
>>> same assumption.
>>>
>>> But what you MUST do is ensure that all the experiments that support SR
>>> are consistent with your assumptions. GR and string theory both do this
>>> easily, as SR is their local limit. But other than that, this is VERY
>>> DIFFICULT.
>>
>>
>> No, I assume that SRT is wrong, because it makes statements, that are
>> illogic.
>
> No, it doesn't.  It is mathematically consistent based upon its postulates.

??

Physics is NOT mathematics.

Physics is a natural science and its postulates should match the real 
world.

>> SRT is based on velocity v, that an observer has in respect to something
>> else.
>
> It's obvious what that "something else" is to most intelligent people.
>

Yes, I wrote, that SRT assumes a velocity v in respect to the universe 
(or fixed stars background).

This is obviously an 'absolute space'. And I regard the concept of SRT 
as funny, since that absolute space of SRT is in violation of its own 
mane 'relativity'.

To solve this riddle, SRT uses a second observer and those had to 
synchronise their clocks.

But I regard this idea as even worse, since no remote observers with 
their clocks to synchronise have ever been found.

That's in short, why I try to avoid SRT and stick to GR alone.

In my understanding of GR the axis of time could point into a spatial 
direction and space could shrink (hence is not absolute).

Then I try to replace tensors by complex-four-vectors and use angles 
instead of velocities.

So in my own 'lingo' SRT says, that the angle of 45° is always 45°.

>> Now SRT uses the 'Einstein equivalence principle', which says 'all
>> inertial observers are of equal rights'.
>> This I take as allowance to say, that all inertial observers have the
>> velocity zero.
>
> You take it wrong.  Are you confused about what "inertial" means?

In GR-terms: uncurved axis of time.


>> But this would violate the previous concept, that SRT is based on the
>> velocity v of the observers.
>
> "By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox."
> -- Galileo Galilei


" by denying paradoxes, one may maintain scientific principles"
-- Thomas Heger

>> So if the observer moves with some sort of non-zero velocity, this must
>> be in respect to the universe itself.
>
> Non sequitur and illogical.


So in respect to what else should the velocity v (of the inertial 
observer) be measured?

..

TH

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