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Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime.

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Subject Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime.
Date Wed, 29 Aug 2018 00:01:02 -0700
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Daniel60 wrote:
> 
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote on 28/08/2018 5:56 PM:
> > On 8/28/2018 12:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 8/12/2018 3:59 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> creation out of nothing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Where did the matter come from?
> >>>>>>>> What state was it in before the "big-bang"?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime.
> >>>>>>> At the start, there was "no entropy" ("no time, no space"), just
> >>>>>>> "eXergy"
> >>>>>>> ( a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with
> >>>>>>> entropy,
> >>>>>>> leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
> >>>>>>> but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is residual eXergy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Einstein's Cosmological Constant ( 1.11 * 10^−52 / Meters^2 )
> >>>>>>> tells us
> >>>>>>> that outer space is growing EXPONENTIALLY, gravity is dying off;
> >>>>>>> -- i.e. the "Heat Death" predicted by Lord Kelvin, 1852,
> >>>>>>> Â Â Â Â  is the most likley outcome.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Afaict, even my little idea wrt "our universe is contained within a
> >>>>>> black hole,  residing in our parent universe" is a chicken-and-egg
> >>>>>> problem in and of itself. Where did the first black hole originate
> >>>>>> from?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The first black hole originated from moments After the big bang.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Before the big bang heat death didn't exist, so black holes didn't
> >>>>> exist.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In other words, before the big bang stars didn't die.
> > [...]
> >
> > If stars did not die, it seems like it can get a bit crowded? Did a
> > bunch of stars, finally explode?
> >
> Before The Big Bang, there were no stars ... nor a Universe to get crowded!!


then there would be no need for expansion...

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                Re: Entropy converts black holes into SpaceTime. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-12 16:15 -0700
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