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Re: Those LYING scientists

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Ed Lake wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 4:18:04 PM UTC-6, Ed Lake wrote:
> It appears that I should have used the NIST and Italian experiment to start this thread, not the articles about Scott Kelly.
> 
> Why hasn't anyone yet responded to the questions below?
> 
> How can people on this forum not understand that when scientists lift a clock 1 foot and CLAIM they can measure a FASTER tick rate for the higher clock, they are NOT LYING?  Nor are they "vulgarizing" anything.  The PURPOSE of the experiment was to demonstrate that clocks tick faster at higher altitudes.  If that is not the PURPOSE of the experiment, what WAS the PURPOSE?
> 
> The experiment: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2010/09/nist-pair-aluminum-atomic-clocks-reveal-einsteins-relativity-personal-scale
> 
> Likewise, when 24 scientists haul an atomic clock to the top of a mountain and CLAIM that it ticks FASTER than an identical clock 1000 meters lower down, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE EXPERIMENT if it was not to DEMONSTRATE that clocks at higher altitudes tick FASTER than clocks at lower altitudes?
> - hide quoted text -
> 
> The experiment: http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-atomic-clock-gravity-20180212-story.html
> 
> Won't someone here explain the PURPOSE of such experiments if it wasn't to demonstrate that clocks tick at different RATES at different altitudes?
> 
> Ed



according to your link:

The experiment: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2010/09/nist-pair-aluminum-atomic-clocks-reveal-einsteins-relativity-personal-scale


Is an illustration of the experiment...

https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/styles/480_x_480_limit/public/images/2017/04/06/relativity-small.jpg?itok=ZdqX5wdQ



Were they both doing the experiment for 79-years???



"Described in the Sept. 24 issue of Science,* the difference is much too small for humans to 
perceive directly—adding up to approximately 90 billionths of a second over a 79-year lifetime..."



90 billionths of a second over a 79-year period is little too long to be standing on some steps holding up a clock.


The question needs to be ask, Have they ever performend the experiment and saw no change?


"too small for humans to 
perceive directly"

What does that mean? Only ants can perceive it????

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Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 14:18 -0800
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        Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-09 08:56 -0800
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  Re: Those LYING scientists Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 01:44 +0000
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                Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-11 11:51 -0700
                Re: Those LYING scientists Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-11 19:12 +0000
                Re: Those LYING scientists Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-12 02:27 +0100
                If you, really understood relativity you would understand that you do NOT understand relativity. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 10:25 +0000
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