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Re: Those LYING scientists

From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Those LYING scientists
Date 2018-03-12 12:10 -0700
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Ed Lake wrote:
> 
> Okay, you've made it very clear that the mathematicians on this forum cannot answer a simple question about 3 scientific experiments.
> 
> So, here's the answer:
> 
> The NIST experiment, the Italian experiment, and the Hafele-Keating experiments all demonstrated that Time does NOT advance at the same rate everywhere (as the mathematicians believe), Time and clocks advance at different rates in different inertial frames of reference, just as Einstein's theories stated.
> 
> BY DEFINITION, one second equals 9,192,631,770 "ticks" of a cesium 133 atomic clock.  So, when you COUNT that number of ticks, you have COUNTED one second in every frame of reference.
> 
> HOWEVER, the three experiments CONFIRMED that in different frames of reference the INTERVAL BETWEEN TICKS can vary in duration.  


But the question is...WHEN do they vary in duration?




"vary in duration" means, "Huh, I don't see any change. Let's try it again."




In other words, it is not 'different frames of reference', it is different time of frames of reference.



In other words...they don't know When.


It simply doesn't work all the time.


It doesn't work!


Making a 'better clock' is not going to change anything...





But I don't know how to expalin it in terms you can understand.

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