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| From | "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> |
| Message-ID | <ItuqC.10939$qo7.4543@fx04.am4> (permalink) |
| Organization | Eweka Internet Services |
| Date | 2018-03-15 14:23 +0100 |
Den 14.03.2018 22.46, skrev Ed Lake:
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 3:15:19 PM UTC-5, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 14.03.2018 18.21, skrev Ed Lake:
>>> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 11:40:49 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As usual, Edward, you did not care to compare what Danco wrote with Taylor text:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Danco: "between any two (neighboring) events the proper time is the time shown by a clock moving uniformly between those two events."
>>>>
>>>> Taylor: "When two events both occur at the position of a certain clock, that special clock measures directly the interval between these two events".
>>>>
>>>> Any rational person but you would agree they are expressing the same thought.
>>>
>>> I'd say you have to be IRRATIONAL to say they express the same thought.
>>>
>>> Danco writes about a clock MOVING uniformly between two events.
>>>
>>> Taylor writes about a clock that is NOT moving relative to the two events.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>> Let's define two concrete events:
>> Event 1: The Nelson's Column, London at March 14, 0100 GMT.
>> ("Nelson's Column at 0100 GMT" for short)
>> Event 2: The Washington Monument, Washington D.C. at March 14, 1100 GMT
>> ("Washington Monument at 1100 GMT" for short)
>
> Those are NOT EVENTS. They are LOCATIONS and TIMES. Are you attempting to say that an "event" is when some clock at Nelson's Column chimes that it is 0100 GMT, and another "event" is when some OTHER clock at the Washington Monument chimes that it is 1100 GMT? And the two "events" are 10 hours apart? So what? OR did you fail to mention that there is only ONE clock and it is being flown from one location to the other? You make no sense.
I define two concrete events. Nothing more, nothing less.
In physics, an 'event' is a 'point' in space-time.
That is a point in space at a specific time.
It doesn't mean that anything has to happen.
"Here, now" is an event.
In the following statements by Danco and Taylor,
I insert these two concrete events for the "two events"
mentioned in the statements. That doesn't change the meaning
of the statements.
>
>>
>> Danco: "between the two events "Nelson's Column at 0100 GMT"
>> and "Washington Monument at 1100 GMT" the proper time is
>> the time shown by a clock moving uniformly between the events
>> "Nelson's Column at at 01 GMT" and "Washington Monument at
>> 1100 GMT".
How can you fail to understand this simple statement?
>
> Gibberish. A clock moving uniformly between the two locations would show a different amount of time passing depending upon the clock's UNIFORM velocity as it moves. And it cannot move "uniformly" between locations unless it can instantly start and stop.
>
>>
>> Taylor: When the events "Nelson's Column at 0100 GMT" and
>> "Washington Monument at 1100 GMT" both occur at the position
>> of a certain clock, that special clock measures directly
>> the interval between the two events "Nelson's Column at
>> 0100 GMT" and "Washington Monument at 1100 GMT".
>
> Gibberish, unless you are attempting to say that the "certain clock" was at Nelson's column when that certain clock chimed 0100 GMT, and it was at the Washington Monument when it chimed 1100 GMT ten hours later. In that case, the "certain clock" (a.k.a. "special clock") measures that 10 hours passed between "events," but that would be UNTRUE since the clock ran slower while it was moving between the locations. So, it was 10 hours between events for the "certain clock" but not for anything else.
You obviously have a serious reading comprehension problem. :-D
How can you fail to understand that both statements simply
mean the following?
>>
>> Both state the same: when a clock is moving from "Nelson's Column at
>> 0100 GMT" and arrives at "Washington Monument at 1100 GMT", this
>> clock measures the proper time between the events.
>
> The proper time between departure and arrival? In the sense that the clock shows ten hours passed for IT, yes it is the proper time between events for THAT CLOCK.
The Clock in London shows 0100 GMT and the clock in
Washington shows 1100 GMT, so the 10 hours interval
is measured with two different clocks. The ten hours
interval is not a proper time interval.
It is the clock that moves from "Nelson's Column at 0100 GMT"
to "Washington Monument at 1100 GMT" that measures the proper
time, which will be:
(Ignoring effects caused by Earth's rotation and gravitation,
pretending that the ground frame is an inertial frame)
The proper time = 10⋅√(1-(v²/c²))hours = 10 hours - 5.4 ns
where v = 164 m/s, the speed of the clock in the ground frame.
> But, for another clock that did NOT move, MORE THAN 10 HOURS passed.
What are you talking about?
The stationary clock in London?
The stationary clock in Washington DC?
What "MORE THAN 10 HOURS" did they measure?
>
> That has got to be the most convoluted way of saying NOTHING that I have ever read.
>
> Ed
>
I note with interest that Ed finds the following statement to be
a convoluted way of saying NOTHING:
"When a clock is moving from "Nelson's Column at 0100 GMT"
and arrives at "Washington Monument at 1100 GMT", this
clock measures the proper time between the events."
Don't you think it says something about proper time? :-D
--
Paul
https://paulba.no/
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