Re: Is the universe infinite?

From	"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
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Subject	Re: Is the universe infinite?
Date	2018-06-23 14:06 -0700
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On 6/19/2018 5:12 AM, bursejan@gmail.com wrote:
> Woa, fractal, multiverse and finite all in one:
> 
> A new cosmological theory points to a
> smaller, simpler, finite universe

Sci-fi again, sorry:
________________
There just might be an infinite amount of finite universes holding hands 
in the cosmic n-ary tree? Child nodes have a branch to their parent nodes.
________________

Wrt observation level, well, how good are your eyes? An observer with 
20/20 vision can see much more fine grain detail that a person that just 
got lemon juice squirted into their eyes, or another person with 
terrible vision.

Ahhh... Lets take the person with terrible vision... Okay, they cannot 
see that much detail, then they expose their eyes to prescription 
glasses. Argh! Now they have close to 20/20 and the world comes to life 
in vibrant detail and color. The person that had trouble seeing, uses a 
better device and now can see things that were previously "invisible" to 
them.

This sure seems similar to us on Earth peering into previous voids, and 
not seeing shi%. Then, we put on our "glasses" and all of a sudden, we 
can see a shi% load of new galaxies in the void!


> 
> Shortly before his death, Stephen Hawking left us
> his final legacy – a theory developed with physicist
> Thomas Hertog that tackles the problem of multiple,
> infinite universes.
> https://cordis.europa.eu/news/rcn/129500_en.html
> 
>> Should be possible to do something:
>>
>> "A different resolution, which does not rely on
>> the Big Bang theory, was first proposed by Carl
>> Charlier in 1908 and later rediscovered by Benoît
>> Mandelbrot in 1974. They both postulated that if
>> the stars in the universe were distributed in a
>> hierarchical fractal cosmology (e.g., similar to
>> Cantor dust)—the average density of any region
>> diminishes as the region considered increases—it
>> would not be necessary to rely on the Big Bang
>> theory to explain Olbers' paradox. This model would
>> not rule out a Big Bang, but would allow for a dark
>> sky even if the Big Bang had not occurred."
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers'_paradox#Fractal_star_distribution





>>
>> Am Dienstag, 19. Juni 2018 06:32:31 UTC+2 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:
>>> On 6/18/2018 1:53 AM, bursejan@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What if at each distance we have some
>>>> factal pattern, would the sky become black?
>>>
>>> Humm... It do not think it would become black, or devoid of color if you
>>> will. Think of relating observation level to a zoom level. Observer A
>>> can see a lot of stars from his current point of view and device,
>>> however the voids that are seemingly black and lacking features suddenly
>>> become filled with other stars when one takes the time to zoom in and
>>> create a better apparatus.... ;^)
>>>
>>> Make any sense?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers'_paradox#/media/File:Olbers%27_Paradox.svg
>>>>
>>>> Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2018 06:47:48 UTC+2 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:
>>>>> On 6/16/2018 12:08 PM, David Petry wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Q:  Is the universe infinite?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scientist:  That question lies outside the purview of science.  Science deals with what can be observed and experimentally tested.  That question of whether the universe is infinite or not is best dealt with by philosophy or theology, if it is dealt with at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Q:  Is the mathematical universe infinite?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Concrete Mathematician:  That question lies outside the purview of concrete mathematics.  Concrete mathematics deals with what can be observed and experimentally tested (the experiments in concrete mathematics will be computational experiments).  That question of whether the mathematical universe is actually infinite or merely potentially infinite is best dealt with by philosophy or theology, if it is dealt with at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sci-Fi:
>>>>> _________________
>>>>> If our universe is residing within a black hole that is contained within
>>>>> our parent universe, then it could be an infinite object.
>>>>>
>>>>> Say, our parent has many viable child universes contained in various
>>>>> hyper large black holes, and we are one of them... Well, that means our
>>>>> universe has children, and they have children, and on and on. Time wrt
>>>>> the parent and the child is _radically_ different. Lets say that there
>>>>> was no first star to create a black hole... Or, was there a single
>>>>> initial start that went Hyper HUGE BANG!
>>>>> _________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry... ;^)
>>>>
>

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Is the universe infinite? David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 12:08 -0700
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      Re: Is the universe infinite? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 21:32 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-22 02:13 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 06:02 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 06:15 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-22 06:24 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-22 07:11 -0700
              Re: Is the universe infinite? David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 17:13 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-21 20:51 -0400
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