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Re: Is the universe infinite?

From "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: Is the universe infinite?
Date 2018-06-20 22:18 -0700
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On 6/16/2018 9:47 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 6/16/2018 12:08 PM, David Petry wrote:
>>
>> Q:  Is the universe infinite?
>>
>> Scientist:  That question lies outside the purview of science.  
>> Science deals with what can be observed and experimentally tested.  
>> That question of whether the universe is infinite or not is best dealt 
>> with by philosophy or theology, if it is dealt with at all.
>>
>> Q:  Is the mathematical universe infinite?
>>
>> Concrete Mathematician:  That question lies outside the purview of 
>> concrete mathematics.  Concrete mathematics deals with what can be 
>> observed and experimentally tested (the experiments in concrete 
>> mathematics will be computational experiments).  That question of 
>> whether the mathematical universe is actually infinite or merely 
>> potentially infinite is best dealt with by philosophy or theology, if 
>> it is dealt with at all.
>>
> 
> Sci-Fi:
> _________________
> If our universe is residing within a black hole that is contained within 
> our parent universe, then it could be an infinite object.
> 
> Say, our parent has many viable child universes contained in various 
> hyper large black holes, and we are one of them... Well, that means our 
> universe has children, and they have children, and on and on. Time wrt 
> the parent and the child is _radically_ different. Lets say that there 
> was no first star to create a black hole... Or, was there a single 
> initial start that went Hyper HUGE BANG!
> _________________

To follow up with the total sci-fi angle...

Some children of a parent universe might not produce child universes of 
their own, even though they grow interesting structures. Say a child 
universe created in a black hole does not have quite what it "takes" to 
create offspring of its own... Well, shi% happens. So, a universe tries 
to create a very large amount of children to try and overcome this 
issue, and keep its branch in the tree alive!

within our parent universe, a special type of star went bang.

We exist within the black hole, and grow!

The "boundary" of our universe wrt observing from the inside out, is an 
infinite very fractal like event horizon! Perhaps, unfortunately, we are 
forever contained within. Points in the set do not escape the set...

;^o

Sci-fi end...



> 
> Sorry... ;^)


;^o

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Is the universe infinite? David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 12:08 -0700
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      Re: Is the universe infinite? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 21:32 -0700
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