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Re: Is the universe infinite?

From Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net>
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: Is the universe infinite?
Date 2018-06-19 10:11 -0400
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To whom it may concern:
Please don't post to my email account --
except in unusual circumstances.
I leave it to Whom to decide  when it's appropriate.

I can read sci.math and all of the usual suspects.
It's posting that I'm having a little bit of technical
difficulty with -- and I hope that that is over.

I do appreciate the thought behind trying to cope
with my difficulties but, really, it's not needed.
Thanks.

On 6/18/2018 12:32 AM, David Petry wrote:
> Apparently Jim Burns wrote:
>> On 6/16/2018 3:08 PM, David Petry wrote:

>>> Q:  Is the universe infinite?
>>
>>> Scientist:  That question lies outside the purview of science.
>>> Science deals with what can be observed and experimentally
>>> tested.  That question of whether the universe is infinite
>>> or not is best dealt with by philosophy or theology, if it
>>> is dealt with at all.
> 
>> In what field is this scientist a scientist?
>> [...]
>> If you ask a _cosmologist_ , she'll tell you they're working
>> on it. "Is the universe infinite?" is definitely NOT outside
>> the purview of cosmology, or they would not be working on it.
> 
> Of course she'll *say* that.
> It's a lot more polite than GTFOOH.

As well as being more polite, it has the advantage of being true.
I suspect that the being true part would be more important
to a cosmologist.

You snipped my examples of the actual _working on it_ .
--  Olber's paradox.
--  A much more recent estimate of the size of the _whole_
universe, including the larger portion outside our _observable_
universe.

Do you disagree about that these are arguments about the size
of the universe?

Do you disagree that they use infinity in some way or other?

I don't see why you didn't address my examples -- unless it's
that you just aren't able to.

Snipping them without any mention certainly leaves the
impression that you are helpless in the face of my awesome
argumentation. Perhaps you should re-consider this tactic.
It's hard to imagine how you could come off worse, no matter
how bad a showing you make in actually addressing my point.

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Is the universe infinite? David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 12:08 -0700
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    Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 14:22 -0700
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          Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 15:51 -0700
            Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-16 16:36 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 20:30 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 20:11 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-16 20:53 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 20:10 -0700
  Re: Is the universe infinite? Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2018-06-16 13:53 -0700
  Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 14:28 -0700
    Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-16 14:53 -0700
    Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-18 01:58 -0700
      Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 09:18 -0700
        Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-18 09:43 -0700
          Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 10:07 -0700
            Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-18 10:32 -0700
              Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 10:38 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-18 10:43 -0700
  Re: Is the universe infinite? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-16 21:47 -0700
    Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-18 01:53 -0700
      Re: Is the universe infinite? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-18 21:32 -0700
        Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-19 04:42 -0700
          Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-19 05:12 -0700
            Re: Is the universe infinite? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-23 14:06 -0700
          Re: Is the universe infinite? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-22 17:22 -0700
    Re: Is the universe infinite? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-20 22:18 -0700
  Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-17 03:45 -0700
    Re: Is the universe infinite? Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2018-06-17 04:15 -0700
      Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-17 04:37 -0700
        Re: Is the universe infinite? Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2018-06-17 05:35 -0700
      Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-17 05:40 -0700
        Re: Is the universe infinite? Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2018-06-17 06:20 -0700
          Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-17 06:30 -0700
            Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-17 06:36 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-17 06:47 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-06-17 15:53 +0200
            Re: Is the universe infinite? Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2018-06-17 06:55 -0700
              Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-17 07:33 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2018-06-17 09:11 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 09:41 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-17 10:19 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-17 10:22 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 12:29 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-17 12:36 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 13:15 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-17 12:44 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 13:13 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 13:46 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 14:55 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 15:13 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 15:36 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 13:38 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? j4n bur53 <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2018-06-17 22:41 +0200
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    Re: Is the universe infinite? David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 10:38 -0700
      Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-17 14:31 -0700
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      Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-18 03:51 -0700
        Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-18 03:59 -0700
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          Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-18 04:11 -0700
            Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-18 04:19 -0700
              Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-18 04:23 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-18 09:34 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-18 11:03 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-18 10:44 -0700
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    Re: Is the universe infinite? David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 21:32 -0700
      Re: Is the universe infinite? Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-19 10:11 -0400
        Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-19 09:07 -0700
        Re: Is the universe infinite? David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 12:52 -0700
          Re: Is the universe infinite? Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-20 19:53 -0400
            Re: Is the universe infinite? Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-20 22:19 -0400
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 23:30 -0700
              Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-21 04:05 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 04:41 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 11:57 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 12:11 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-21 14:14 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-21 09:32 -0400
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 11:00 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-21 18:26 -0400
                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 16:06 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 08:39 -0700
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                Re: Is the universe infinite? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 16:09 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-22 16:36 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-22 16:41 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-22 02:13 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-22 07:47 -0400
                Re: Is the universe infinite? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-06-22 05:20 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-22 05:36 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 06:02 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-22 06:12 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 06:15 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-22 06:18 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-22 06:19 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-06-22 06:24 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-22 07:11 -0700
              Re: Is the universe infinite? David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-06-21 17:13 -0700
                Re: Is the universe infinite? Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-06-21 20:51 -0400
          Re: Is the universe infinite? FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 18:24 -0700
  Re: Is the universe infinite? Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-06-17 23:55 -0700
  Re: Is the universe infinite? creatureoflightanddarkness@gmail.com - 2018-06-18 12:20 -0700
  Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-20 04:06 -0700
    Re: Is the universe infinite? bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-06-20 04:19 -0700
  Re: Is the universe infinite? j4n bur53 <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2018-06-22 19:08 +0200
  Re: Is the universe infinite? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-06-22 17:14 -0700
  Re: Is the universe infinite? Peter Percival <peterxpercival@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-23 16:39 +0100
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