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GPU elasticity was already invented in 2008 with CUDA (Re: npm install webgpu [Google Dawn])

From Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups sci.math, sci.physics.relativity
Subject GPU elasticity was already invented in 2008 with CUDA (Re: npm install webgpu [Google Dawn])
Date 2026-08-02 23:59 +0200
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Hi,

Chris M. Thomasson schrieb:

 > Strive to never make a compute shader wait
 > on something, like an empty condition of a queue, stack.

You are such a moron. GPU elasticity was
already invented in 2008 with CUDA. I posted
this quote already:

"CUDA™ TEChNOLOGY UNLOCkS ThE
POWER OF TESLA MANY-CORE PROCESSORS

The CUDA C compiler simplifies many-core
programming by enabling code development
in a high-level language and optimizing code
to run on systems without knowledge of how

many cores are in the hardware. CUDA
applications automatically take advantage of
more cores or fewer cores in a system, so
they can scale from entry-level notebook

GPUs to high end GPUs in technical workstations
and further into racks of GPUs in data centers.
This allows developers to “code once” and
deploy on a range of systems, as well as scale

forward in time as future GPUs deliver more
performance per watt and more cores per
processor. The benefit for software users is
the opportunity to boost computing performance

simply by adding GPUs or using their existing GPUs in new ways"
https://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/43395/NV_DS_Tesla_S1070_US_Jun08_NV_LR_Final.pdf

Today elasticity is on logical thread aka task level,
not only on "core" level or something. Don't know
exactly what CUDA did back them, maybe only

a submit elasticity, like a time sharing system. Today
you have quite some run elasticity on modern machines,
for your logical threads. Even in budget laptops

like a Ryzen AI 7 350 /w Radeon 850M.

Bye

P.S.: I can demostrate the elasticity, but I didn't
write the medium.com article yet.

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Ok, following the instructions here:
> 
> npm install webgpu
> https://github.com/dawn-gpu/node-webgpu
> 
> I can now run webgpu also from CLI:
> 
>  >node.exe dogelog.mjs
> Dogelog Spieler 2.2.5, Node, JavaScript 26.4.0
> (c) 1985-2026, XLOG Technologies AG, Schweiz
> 
> ?- ensure_loaded(library(edge/furryhaze)).
> true.
> 
> ?- between(1,3,_), time(expedite((between(1,100,_),
> between(1,100,_), between(1,100,_)), [size(4096)])), fail.
> % Zeit 1037.994 ms, GC 0.000 ms, Lips 111 k
> % Zeit 1091.131 ms, GC 0.000 ms, Lips 106 k
> % Zeit 1045.274 ms, GC 0.000 ms, Lips 110 k
> fail.
> 
> Same benchmark result as in the browser.
> Now I can rent a bigger GPU by the hour
> and do some easy CLI testing.
> 
> LoL
> 
> Bye
> 
> Mild Shock schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions.
>> I will happily answer them. But maybe I should
>> make a Wiki to explain the ever same things:
>>
>>  > But, I still don't know what you main goal is?
>> The goal is "Prolog inferencing"
>>
>>  > It has textures to work with in the pipeline.
>> I don't need textures for "Prolog inferencing"
>>
>> 98 more questions to go, don't give up!
>>
>> Bye
>>
>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Tablets and phone are more annoying to
>>> use with WebGPU. The usual browsers don't
>>> have a Chrome DevTools panel integrated,
>>>
>>> so that one could do JavaScript Debugging
>>> directly on the device. Instead one has to
>>> use a desktop machine, and connect the
>>>
>>> device via UBS-C , and start a Chrome
>>> Browser there . And then start a Chrome
>>> DevTools panel alone, that is pair with
>>>
>>> the device, via UBS-C cable. So this way
>>> I already see where it crashes on the
>>> tablets and phone:
>>>
>>> await output.mapAsync(GPUMapMode.READ)
>>> Unhandled Promise Rejection: OperationError
>>>
>>> The above is the error that one can re-produce
>>> already here with this test:
>>>
>>> 11.4 Giga Lips with a Budget Laptop
>>> https://github.com/Jean-Luc-Picard-2021/gigabudget
>>>
>>> Not sure what exactly happens. Maybe
>>> a form of timeout or device lost, that the
>>> primitive HTML / JavaScript doesn't handle
>>>
>>> gracefully yet. Maybe redimensioning the
>>> test, so that it consumes less time would
>>> help. Who knows? Will see. For production
>>>
>>> use of a GPU integration I have to anyway
>>> provide work slicing it seems.
>>>
>>> Bye
>>>
>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Why does this Lama have a red pyjama.
>>>> Oh, its a baby Lama. Its still in the cradle
>>>> and needs some training:
>>>>
>>>> RedPajama-Data-v2
>>>> https://github.com/togethercomputer/RedPajama-Data
>>>>
>>>> But then Andrej Karpathy recently showed
>>>> GPT-2 training on rented GPUs for less
>>>> than 100 USD in less then 2 hours.
>>>>
>>>> So where do these grown up Lamas go.
>>>> Well Georgi Gerganov prefered C++/C
>>>> when he shouted Llama Llama Red Pyjama.
>>>>
>>>> But you also find WebLLM, wrapping the
>>>> underlying C++/C GPU interface via the
>>>> W3C standard WebGPU / WGSL, with JavaScript:
>>>>
>>>> In-Browser LLM Inference Engine
>>>> https://webllm.mlc.ai/
>>>>
>>>> My experience with WebLLM 6 months
>>>> ago on an iPad Pro 2024, still a little early
>>>> stage performance and robustness.
>>>>
>>>> But hey hardware of AI mobile iGPUs is
>>>> still evolving, and AI laptop, AI smartphones
>>>> and AI tablets, will soon feature Chinese
>>>>
>>>> hardware such some new Kirin AI in 2027.
>>>>
>>>> Bye
>>>>
>>>> Mild Shock schrieb:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember when first all local AI was Python
>>>>> and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people strated
>>>>> using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:
>>>>>
>>>>> How it started:
>>>>>
>>>>> GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
>>>>> language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
>>>>> in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
>>>>> generative pre-trained transformer model
>>>>> designed to produce human-like text that
>>>>> continues from a prompt.
>>>>> https://www.eleuther.ai/
>>>>>
>>>>> How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:
>>>>>
>>>>> So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
>>>>> some calculations and I figure out “Okay, 65
>>>>> billion parameters. You probably need about
>>>>> 40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
>>>>> this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?”
>>>>>
>>>>> Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
>>>>> for all that I saw it’s pretty much GPT-J architecture
>>>>> with some modifications, like some extra memorization
>>>>> layers. It’s minor changes. Basically, again, the
>>>>> existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
>>>>> modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
>>>>> https://changelog.com/podcast/532
>>>>>
>>>>> Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
>>>>> Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
>>>>> ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml
>>>>>
>>>>> Bye
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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                MIPS is a big Huffman mess [But Hack could do it] (Re: I wrote Hack VM for π-WAM from scratch) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-30 22:30 +0200
                Not declarative with PHI (Φ) nodes (Re: MIPS is a big Huffman mess [But Hack could do it]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-30 22:42 +0200
                Quo Vadis: Extend investigations to WebNN (Re: I wrote Hack VM for π-WAM from scratch) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-31 20:45 +0200
                Re: Quo Vadis: Extend investigations to WebNN (Re: I wrote Hack VM for π-WAM from scratch) Jereb Pohlebaev <obje@bbvoeoaa.ru> - 2026-07-31 20:23 +0000
  Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama] (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-29 13:02 +0200
    AI Accelerators and ISO Prolog multi-threading (Was: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-29 17:01 +0200
      Actor/Erlang is dead, no Thread and Mailbox conflation [golang channels] (Was: AI Accelerators and ISO Prolog multi-threading) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-29 17:05 +0200
        Can library(ironpaw) repurpose FFT hardware [Glimps into Ryzen AI 7 350] (Was: Actor/Erlang is dead, no Thread and Mailbox conflation) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-01 02:29 +0200
          Re: Can library(ironpaw) repurpose FFT hardware [Glimps into Ryzen AI 7 350] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-08-01 04:10 +0200
    Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging (Re: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-01 12:17 +0200
      NPUs doing 2d chess comms (Manhattan Distance or L1 Norm) (Was: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-01 14:09 +0200
      Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions (Re: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 02:47 +0200
        npm install webgpu [Google Dawn] (Was: Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 03:01 +0200
          GPU elasticity was already invented in 2008 with CUDA (Re: npm install webgpu [Google Dawn]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 23:59 +0200
        Re: Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions (Re: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-03 00:34 +0800
          Re: Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions (Re: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 10:41 -0700
            Re: Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions (Re: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 11:13 -0700
            Pro Gauss-Jordan Reduction, Phigs and Phigs+ (was: Re: Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions (Re: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging)) Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-03 02:27 +0800
              Re: Pro Gauss-Jordan Reduction, Phigs and Phigs+ Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-03 02:35 +0800
        Re: Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions (Re: Tablet and phone UBS-C remote debugging) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 12:42 -0700
          You posted that already, but you didn't listen [I NEED BOUNDED QUEUES] (Was: Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 23:09 +0200
            Summary of 100 questions Chris M. Thomasson can ask (Was: You posted that already, but you didn't listen [I NEED BOUNDED QUEUES]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 23:17 +0200
            Summary of 100 questions Chris M. Thomasson can ask (Re: You posted that already, but you didn't listen) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 23:20 +0200
            Re: You posted that already, but you didn't listen [I NEED BOUNDED QUEUES] (Was: Chris M. Thomasson can ask 100 more questions) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-08-03 12:55 -0700
              Liar and spammer (Was: You posted that already, but you didn't listen [I NEED BOUNDED QUEUES]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-03 22:16 +0200
                Re: Liar and spammer (Was: You posted that already, but you didn't listen [I NEED BOUNDED QUEUES]) Rosalino Kablahov <oaror@vla.ru> - 2026-08-03 21:50 +0000
  Even send_color and recv_color can block [Cerebras Waver] Re: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-08-02 23:33 +0200

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