Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama] (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto])

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	sci.math, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama] (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto])
Date	2026-07-29 13:02 +0200
Message-ID	<114cmkf$jmhc$1@solani.org> (permalink)
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Hi,

Why does this Lama have a red pyjama.
Oh, its a baby Lama. Its still in the cradle
and needs some training:

RedPajama-Data-v2
https://github.com/togethercomputer/RedPajama-Data

But then Andrej Karpathy recently showed
GPT-2 training on rented GPUs for less
than 100 USD in less then 2 hours.

So where do these grown up Lamas go.
Well Georgi Gerganov prefered C++/C
when he shouted Llama Llama Red Pyjama.

But you also find WebLLM, wrapping the
underlying C++/C GPU interface via the
W3C standard WebGPU / WGSL, with JavaScript:

In-Browser LLM Inference Engine
https://webllm.mlc.ai/

My experience with WebLLM 6 months
ago on an iPad Pro 2024, still a little early
stage performance and robustness.

But hey hardware of AI mobile iGPUs is
still evolving, and AI laptop, AI smartphones
and AI tablets, will soon feature Chinese

hardware such some new Kirin AI in 2027.

Bye

Mild Shock schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Remember when first all local AI was Python
> and PyTorch APIs. And then suddently people strated
> using bare metal C/C++ Code. Here is the story:
> 
> How it started:
> 
> GPT-J or GPT-J-6B is an open-source large
> language model (LLM) developed by EleutherAI
> in 2021. As the name suggests, it is a
> generative pre-trained transformer model
> designed to produce human-like text that
> continues from a prompt.
> https://www.eleuther.ai/
> 
> How it was going [Georgi Gerganov]:
> 
> So a few days later comes out the LLaMA, I do
> some calculations and I figure out “Okay, 65
> billion parameters. You probably need about
> 40 gigs of RAM, with 4-bit quantization. So
> this can run on a MacBook. Why not do it?”
> 
> Why I was able to do it so quickly - basically,
> for all that I saw it’s pretty much GPT-J architecture
> with some modifications, like some extra memorization
> layers. It’s minor changes. Basically, again, the
> existing code for the GPT-J, I just simply
> modified it there, it happened pretty quickly.
> https://changelog.com/podcast/532
> 
> Georgi Gerganov, Bulgarian, now with Hugging
> Face, ggml-cann also running on Chinese AI chips.
> ggml Manifesto https://github.com/ggml-org/ggml
> 
> Bye
>

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The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-22 21:00 +0200
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    Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens] (Re: Deadlock Exorcism: Switch from Push to Pull) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 08:43 +0200
      Trivial balancing example for (int i=0; i<global_id; i++) (Re: Why do you even need a mpmc queue? [Thunder Kittens]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 08:57 +0200
        Enqueue/dequeue need not be fast and can spinn ["fairness" questions] (Was: Trivial balancing example for (int i=0; i<global_id; i++)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 09:11 +0200
          The Pixel Phone AI Experiment Song (Re: Enqueue/dequeue need not be fast and can spinn ["fairness" questions] ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 09:21 +0200
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  Re: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto] Ramon Dubenkov <omd@nnk.ru> - 2026-07-23 13:38 +0000
  The things XILINX braught to the AMD table (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 18:47 +0200
    NIVIDIA evacuated its Chinese market [Tau Scaling] (Was: The things XILINX braught to the AMD table) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 19:11 +0200
    NVIDIA evacuated its Chinese market [Tau Scaling] (Re: The things XILINX braught to the AMD table) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-23 19:12 +0200
      Re: NVIDIA evacuated its Chinese market [Tau Scaling] (Re: The things XILINX braught to the AMD table) Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-23 11:22 -0600
        Micro penis mother sung arias (Was: NVIDIA evacuated its Chinese market [Tau Scaling]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 14:38 +0200
          Re: Micro penis mother sung arias (Was: NVIDIA evacuated its Chinese market [Tau Scaling]) Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-24 07:15 -0600
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              Re: Micro penis brain is in constant hiatus (Was: Micro penis mother sung arias) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 15:36 +0200
              Ignoramus or Ignorabimus: I don't care (π-WAM) (Re: Micro penis brain is in constant hiatus) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 15:38 +0200
                Re: Ignoramus or Ignorabimus: I don't care (π-WAM) (Re: Micro penis brain is in constant hiatus) Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-24 08:31 -0600
                You are a moron, brainless putin payed (Was: Ignoramus or Ignorabimus: I don't care (π-WAM)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 18:01 +0200
                Re: You are a moron, brainless putin payed (Was: Ignoramus or Ignorabimus: I don't care (π-WAM)) Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-24 10:27 -0600
                Yeah keep reading my posts, uninspired fool (Was: You are a moron, brainless putin payed) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 19:45 +0200
                Re: Yeah keep reading my posts, uninspired fool (Was: You are a moron, brainless putin payed) Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-24 12:11 -0600
                LoL (Was: Yeah keep reading my posts, uninspired fool ) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 20:12 +0200
                Re: LoL (Was: Yeah keep reading my posts, uninspired fool ) Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-24 12:53 -0600
                Out of the blue accusation span 15 days [Empirical USENET study] (Was: Ignoramus or Ignorabimus: I don't care (π-WAM)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 20:26 +0200
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    Re: Little Data Center on Your Palm [AI Laptops for 500 USD] (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto] Bradford Babkoff <ffb@odbb.ru> - 2026-07-24 18:05 +0000
      LoL (Was: Little Data Center on Your Palm [AI Laptops for 500 USD]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-24 20:11 +0200
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        confused rossy boy is confused (Re: Clueless about MIMD as usual [Flynn's Taxonomy]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-29 11:20 +0200
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              Re: In AI Acceleration nobody cares about CivetWeb (Re: Gemini, DeepSeek, OpenAI more clever than rossy boy) Lane W <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-07-29 07:06 -0600
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        You are still chewing on SIMD. LoL (Re: Clueless about MIMD as usual [Flynn's Taxonomy]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-29 17:14 +0200
          Hurry Rossy Boy, the blue bus is waiting (Re: You are still chewing on SIMD. LoL) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-29 17:54 +0200
            Look how they advertized CUDA and logical threads (Re: Hurry Rossy Boy, the blue bus is waiting) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-29 17:56 +0200
              Forget any arithmetization of product FSA (Re: Look how they advertized CUDA and logical threads) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-29 17:57 +0200
  Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama] (Was: The Wuhan Virus that destroyed Python [ggml Manifesto]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-29 13:02 +0200
    AI Accelerators and ISO Prolog multi-threading (Was: Lamas in a cradle and Lamas on the edge [Red Pyjama]) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-29 17:01 +0200
      Actor/Erlang is dead, no Thread and Mailbox conflation [golang channels] (Was: AI Accelerators and ISO Prolog multi-threading) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-07-29 17:05 +0200

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