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  Re: The Tempest continued. squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 14:52 -0600
    Re: The Tempest continued. dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-05 21:08 +0000
      Re: The Tempest continued. squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 15:38 -0600
        Re: The Tempest continued. dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-05 23:16 +0000
          Re: The Tempest continued. squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 22:37 -0600
    Re: The Tempest continued. Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-05 17:23 -0400
      Re: The Tempest continued. squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 15:40 -0600
        Re: The Tempest continued. Ed P <esp@snet.n> - 2026-07-05 18:37 -0400
          Re: The Tempest continued. squillage <yy@aba.et> - 2026-07-05 22:33 -0600
          Re: The Tempest continued. dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-06 20:45 +0000
            Re: The Tempest continued. sid croft <andz@mar.ty> - 2026-07-06 15:46 -0600

#102012 — Re: The Tempest continued.

On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 19:50:54 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

> Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
> 
> > On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 10:29:50 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
> > <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
> >   
> > >On 2026-07-05, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:  
> > >>>   
> > >> I like that idea. Your island   
> > >
> > >Continent.  Not island.
> > >
> > >Continents and islands are primarily differentiated by size,
> > >plate tectonics, and biodiversity.
> > >  
> > >> has a lot of empty space, sun, and hardly any people. It would
> > >> be a swell spot for nuclear/solar power plants. My guess is that
> > >> Australia could become the power company for the entire world.
> > >> Where's E. Musk when you need him?  
> > >
> > >Australia currently generates no commercial electricity from
> > >nuclear power due to long-standing legal prohibitions.  
> > 
> > AI says that an area as small as 35 km x 35 km (463 square miles) of
> > outback could provide all of Australia's energy needs using solar
> > energy. Anything beyond that could be exported. But the problem is
> > getting the energy to where the demand is (Sydney, Melbourne,
> > Singapore, Jakarta etc).
> >   
> 
> Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems impractical.
> Australia should go for the gold standard of power generation i.e.,
> nuclear power. The future will be glad that they did. OTOH, I can't
> say if the Western world even knows how to build these facilities any
> more.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q

China is playing nuclear catch-up fast.

We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil
demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources.

Unless or until solar is used widely to compress air for nighttime and
peak load turbine generation solar will be an expensive partial energy
solution.

https://youtu.be/VS05y9mQgbw

How Compressed Air Batteries are FINALLY Here.  
We can’t control the weather (yet). But we can
control how we store weather-dependent renewable energy. By making use
of salt caves, former mining sites, and depleted gas wells, compressed
air energy storage can be an effective understudy when wind or solar
aren’t available. It has the potential to offer longer-duration storage
that other technologies can’t for a lower capital investment.

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#102013

squillage <yy@aba.et> posted:

> On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 19:50:54 GMT
> dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid> posted:
> > 
> > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 10:29:50 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
> > > <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
> > >   
> > > >On 2026-07-05, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:  
> > > >>>   
> > > >> I like that idea. Your island   
> > > >
> > > >Continent.  Not island.
> > > >
> > > >Continents and islands are primarily differentiated by size,
> > > >plate tectonics, and biodiversity.
> > > >  
> > > >> has a lot of empty space, sun, and hardly any people. It would
> > > >> be a swell spot for nuclear/solar power plants. My guess is that
> > > >> Australia could become the power company for the entire world.
> > > >> Where's E. Musk when you need him?  
> > > >
> > > >Australia currently generates no commercial electricity from
> > > >nuclear power due to long-standing legal prohibitions.  
> > > 
> > > AI says that an area as small as 35 km x 35 km (463 square miles) of
> > > outback could provide all of Australia's energy needs using solar
> > > energy. Anything beyond that could be exported. But the problem is
> > > getting the energy to where the demand is (Sydney, Melbourne,
> > > Singapore, Jakarta etc).
> > >   
> > 
> > Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems impractical.
> > Australia should go for the gold standard of power generation i.e.,
> > nuclear power. The future will be glad that they did. OTOH, I can't
> > say if the Western world even knows how to build these facilities any
> > more.
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q
> 
> China is playing nuclear catch-up fast.
> 
> We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil
> demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources.
> 
> Unless or until solar is used widely to compress air for nighttime and
> peak load turbine generation solar will be an expensive partial energy
> solution.
> 
> https://youtu.be/VS05y9mQgbw
> 
> How Compressed Air Batteries are FINALLY Here.  
> We can’t control the weather (yet). But we can
> control how we store weather-dependent renewable energy. By making use
> of salt caves, former mining sites, and depleted gas wells, compressed
> air energy storage can be an effective understudy when wind or solar
> aren’t available. It has the potential to offer longer-duration storage
> that other technologies can’t for a lower capital investment.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Using molten salt to store heat energy seems like a pretty good, scaleable, 
technology. It seems simple and efficient - but is it?

https://www.cosinsolar.com/En/product/energy.html

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#102015

On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 21:08:36 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

> squillage <yy@aba.et> posted:
> 
> > On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 19:50:54 GMT
> > dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> >   
> > > Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid>
> > > posted: 
> > > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 10:29:50 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
> > > >     
> > > > >On 2026-07-05, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >  
> > > > >>>     
> > > > >> I like that idea. Your island     
> > > > >
> > > > >Continent.  Not island.
> > > > >
> > > > >Continents and islands are primarily differentiated by size,
> > > > >plate tectonics, and biodiversity.
> > > > >    
> > > > >> has a lot of empty space, sun, and hardly any people. It
> > > > >> would be a swell spot for nuclear/solar power plants. My
> > > > >> guess is that Australia could become the power company for
> > > > >> the entire world. Where's E. Musk when you need him?    
> > > > >
> > > > >Australia currently generates no commercial electricity from
> > > > >nuclear power due to long-standing legal prohibitions.    
> > > > 
> > > > AI says that an area as small as 35 km x 35 km (463 square
> > > > miles) of outback could provide all of Australia's energy needs
> > > > using solar energy. Anything beyond that could be exported. But
> > > > the problem is getting the energy to where the demand is
> > > > (Sydney, Melbourne, Singapore, Jakarta etc).
> > > >     
> > > 
> > > Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems impractical.
> > > Australia should go for the gold standard of power generation
> > > i.e., nuclear power. The future will be glad that they did. OTOH,
> > > I can't say if the Western world even knows how to build these
> > > facilities any more.
> > > 
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q  
> > 
> > China is playing nuclear catch-up fast.
> > 
> > We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil
> > demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources.
> > 
> > Unless or until solar is used widely to compress air for nighttime
> > and peak load turbine generation solar will be an expensive partial
> > energy solution.
> > 
> > https://youtu.be/VS05y9mQgbw
> > 
> > How Compressed Air Batteries are FINALLY Here.  
> > We can’t control the weather (yet). But we can
> > control how we store weather-dependent renewable energy. By making
> > use of salt caves, former mining sites, and depleted gas wells,
> > compressed air energy storage can be an effective understudy when
> > wind or solar aren’t available. It has the potential to offer
> > longer-duration storage that other technologies can’t for a lower
> > capital investment.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> 
> Using molten salt to store heat energy seems like a pretty good,
> scaleable, technology. It seems simple and efficient - but is it?
> 
> https://www.cosinsolar.com/En/product/energy.html

The project in Spain filed, followed by the California one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiPSy2bKZkE

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#102018

squillage <yy@aba.et> posted:

> On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 21:08:36 GMT
> dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > squillage <yy@aba.et> posted:
> > 
> > > On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 19:50:54 GMT
> > > dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> > >   
> > > > Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid>
> > > > posted: 
> > > > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 10:29:50 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
> > > > >     
> > > > > >On 2026-07-05, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >>>     
> > > > > >> I like that idea. Your island     
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Continent.  Not island.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Continents and islands are primarily differentiated by size,
> > > > > >plate tectonics, and biodiversity.
> > > > > >    
> > > > > >> has a lot of empty space, sun, and hardly any people. It
> > > > > >> would be a swell spot for nuclear/solar power plants. My
> > > > > >> guess is that Australia could become the power company for
> > > > > >> the entire world. Where's E. Musk when you need him?    
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Australia currently generates no commercial electricity from
> > > > > >nuclear power due to long-standing legal prohibitions.    
> > > > > 
> > > > > AI says that an area as small as 35 km x 35 km (463 square
> > > > > miles) of outback could provide all of Australia's energy needs
> > > > > using solar energy. Anything beyond that could be exported. But
> > > > > the problem is getting the energy to where the demand is
> > > > > (Sydney, Melbourne, Singapore, Jakarta etc).
> > > > >     
> > > > 
> > > > Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems impractical.
> > > > Australia should go for the gold standard of power generation
> > > > i.e., nuclear power. The future will be glad that they did. OTOH,
> > > > I can't say if the Western world even knows how to build these
> > > > facilities any more.
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q  
> > > 
> > > China is playing nuclear catch-up fast.
> > > 
> > > We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil
> > > demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources.
> > > 
> > > Unless or until solar is used widely to compress air for nighttime
> > > and peak load turbine generation solar will be an expensive partial
> > > energy solution.
> > > 
> > > https://youtu.be/VS05y9mQgbw
> > > 
> > > How Compressed Air Batteries are FINALLY Here.  
> > > We can’t control the weather (yet). But we can
> > > control how we store weather-dependent renewable energy. By making
> > > use of salt caves, former mining sites, and depleted gas wells,
> > > compressed air energy storage can be an effective understudy when
> > > wind or solar aren’t available. It has the potential to offer
> > > longer-duration storage that other technologies can’t for a lower
> > > capital investment.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > 
> > Using molten salt to store heat energy seems like a pretty good,
> > scaleable, technology. It seems simple and efficient - but is it?
> > 
> > https://www.cosinsolar.com/En/product/energy.html
> 
> The project in Spain filed, followed by the California one.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiPSy2bKZkE
> 

I saw one of these plants while flying through Nevada. It might have been
a failure but it was the most beautiful sight that I ever saw. The pilot never
said a word about it. My guess is that he didn't care for it. Perhaps it 
interfered with planes flying through.  

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#102021

On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 23:16:02 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

> squillage <yy@aba.et> posted:
> 
> > On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 21:08:36 GMT
> > dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> >   
> > > squillage <yy@aba.et> posted:
> > >   
> > > > On Sun, 05 Jul 2026 19:50:54 GMT
> > > > dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
> > > >     
> > > > > Nicolas Edme Restif de La Bretonne <restif@invalid.invalid>
> > > > > posted:   
> > > > > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 10:29:50 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > > <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
> > > > > >       
> > > > > > >On 2026-07-05, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid>
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > >    
> > > > > > >>>       
> > > > > > >> I like that idea. Your island       
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Continent.  Not island.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Continents and islands are primarily differentiated by
> > > > > > >size, plate tectonics, and biodiversity.
> > > > > > >      
> > > > > > >> has a lot of empty space, sun, and hardly any people. It
> > > > > > >> would be a swell spot for nuclear/solar power plants. My
> > > > > > >> guess is that Australia could become the power company
> > > > > > >> for the entire world. Where's E. Musk when you need him?
> > > > > > >>      
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Australia currently generates no commercial electricity
> > > > > > >from nuclear power due to long-standing legal
> > > > > > >prohibitions.      
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > AI says that an area as small as 35 km x 35 km (463 square
> > > > > > miles) of outback could provide all of Australia's energy
> > > > > > needs using solar energy. Anything beyond that could be
> > > > > > exported. But the problem is getting the energy to where
> > > > > > the demand is (Sydney, Melbourne, Singapore, Jakarta etc).
> > > > > >       
> > > > > 
> > > > > Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems
> > > > > impractical. Australia should go for the gold standard of
> > > > > power generation i.e., nuclear power. The future will be glad
> > > > > that they did. OTOH, I can't say if the Western world even
> > > > > knows how to build these facilities any more.
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q    
> > > > 
> > > > China is playing nuclear catch-up fast.
> > > > 
> > > > We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil
> > > > demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources.
> > > > 
> > > > Unless or until solar is used widely to compress air for
> > > > nighttime and peak load turbine generation solar will be an
> > > > expensive partial energy solution.
> > > > 
> > > > https://youtu.be/VS05y9mQgbw
> > > > 
> > > > How Compressed Air Batteries are FINALLY Here.  
> > > > We can’t control the weather (yet). But we can
> > > > control how we store weather-dependent renewable energy. By
> > > > making use of salt caves, former mining sites, and depleted gas
> > > > wells, compressed air energy storage can be an effective
> > > > understudy when wind or solar aren’t available. It has the
> > > > potential to offer longer-duration storage that other
> > > > technologies can’t for a lower capital investment.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >     
> > > 
> > > Using molten salt to store heat energy seems like a pretty good,
> > > scaleable, technology. It seems simple and efficient - but is it?
> > > 
> > > https://www.cosinsolar.com/En/product/energy.html  
> > 
> > The project in Spain filed, followed by the California one.
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiPSy2bKZkE
> >   
> 
> I saw one of these plants while flying through Nevada. It might have
> been a failure but it was the most beautiful sight that I ever saw.
> The pilot never said a word about it. My guess is that he didn't care
> for it. Perhaps it interfered with planes flying through.  

Yeah, change of phase and the mirror concentration looks damned
impressive.

Barstow has one that does some dead birdy shit too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emBY6phmn9E

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#102014

On 7/5/2026 4:52 PM, squillage wrote:

>>
>> Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems impractical.
>> Australia should go for the gold standard of power generation i.e.,
>> nuclear power. The future will be glad that they did. OTOH, I can't
>> say if the Western world even knows how to build these facilities any
>> more.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q
> 
> China is playing nuclear catch-up fast.
> 
> We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil
> demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources.

We should all try to conserve the finite materials so they last. 
Meantime, the Orange guy is stopping other sources of power such as wind 
and solar and pushing coal and oil.

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#102016

On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 17:23:42 -0400
Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

> On 7/5/2026 4:52 PM, squillage wrote:
> 
> >>
> >> Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems impractical.
> >> Australia should go for the gold standard of power generation i.e.,
> >> nuclear power. The future will be glad that they did. OTOH, I can't
> >> say if the Western world even knows how to build these facilities
> >> any more.
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q  
> > 
> > China is playing nuclear catch-up fast.
> > 
> > We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil
> > demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources.  
> 
> We should all try to conserve the finite materials so they last. 

We already have.

We're sitting on 400 years of untapped coal reserves!

> Meantime, the Orange guy is stopping other sources of power such as
> wind and solar and pushing coal and oil.

No, he's refusing to SUBSIDIZE them, big difference right there.

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#102017

On 7/5/2026 5:40 PM, squillage wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 17:23:42 -0400
> Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/5/2026 4:52 PM, squillage wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems impractical.
>>>> Australia should go for the gold standard of power generation i.e.,
>>>> nuclear power. The future will be glad that they did. OTOH, I can't
>>>> say if the Western world even knows how to build these facilities
>>>> any more.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q
>>>
>>> China is playing nuclear catch-up fast.
>>>
>>> We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil
>>> demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources.
>>
>> We should all try to conserve the finite materials so they last.
> 
> We already have.
> 
> We're sitting on 400 years of untapped coal reserves!
> 
>> Meantime, the Orange guy is stopping other sources of power such as
>> wind and solar and pushing coal and oil.
> 
> No, he's refusing to SUBSIDIZE them, big difference right there.
> 
What do you call this?

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/doe-announces-850m-modernize-coal-capacity-build-new-plants/822109/

https://www.edf.org/media/trump-administration-pour-even-more-taxpayer-money-costly-unreliable-coal-plants

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#102020

On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 18:37:35 -0400
Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:

> On 7/5/2026 5:40 PM, squillage wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 17:23:42 -0400
> > Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
> >   
> >> On 7/5/2026 4:52 PM, squillage wrote:
> >>  
> >>>>
> >>>> Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems impractical.
> >>>> Australia should go for the gold standard of power generation
> >>>> i.e., nuclear power. The future will be glad that they did.
> >>>> OTOH, I can't say if the Western world even knows how to build
> >>>> these facilities any more.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q  
> >>>
> >>> China is playing nuclear catch-up fast.
> >>>
> >>> We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil
> >>> demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources.  
> >>
> >> We should all try to conserve the finite materials so they last.  
> > 
> > We already have.
> > 
> > We're sitting on 400 years of untapped coal reserves!
> >   
> >> Meantime, the Orange guy is stopping other sources of power such as
> >> wind and solar and pushing coal and oil.  
> > 
> > No, he's refusing to SUBSIDIZE them, big difference right there.
> >   
> What do you call this?
> 
> https://www.utilitydive.com/news/doe-announces-850m-modernize-coal-capacity-build-new-plants/822109/
> 
> https://www.edf.org/media/trump-administration-pour-even-more-taxpayer-money-costly-unreliable-coal-plants

Sound investment in a key domestic energy  industry the Obamessiah
literally killed off!

The point above was that subsidies on wind and solar are done...for
now...

AI Overview                 

Yes, President Trump successfully enacted
legislation and policies that phased out federal tax credits and ended
preferential treatment for new solar and wind energy projects.

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#102029

Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

> On 7/5/2026 5:40 PM, squillage wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 17:23:42 -0400
> > Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 7/5/2026 4:52 PM, squillage wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems impractical.
> >>>> Australia should go for the gold standard of power generation i.e.,
> >>>> nuclear power. The future will be glad that they did. OTOH, I can't
> >>>> say if the Western world even knows how to build these facilities
> >>>> any more.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q
> >>>
> >>> China is playing nuclear catch-up fast.
> >>>
> >>> We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil
> >>> demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources.
> >>
> >> We should all try to conserve the finite materials so they last.
> > 
> > We already have.
> > 
> > We're sitting on 400 years of untapped coal reserves!
> > 
> >> Meantime, the Orange guy is stopping other sources of power such as
> >> wind and solar and pushing coal and oil.
> > 
> > No, he's refusing to SUBSIDIZE them, big difference right there.
> > 
> What do you call this?
> 
> https://www.utilitydive.com/news/doe-announces-850m-modernize-coal-capacity-build-new-plants/822109/
> 
> https://www.edf.org/media/trump-administration-pour-even-more-taxpayer-money-costly-unreliable-coal-plants

I'd call it just another scam. Trump gives his pals contracts to build stuff so 
they can make government money. Obviously, Trump gets some kickbacks. Trump 
doesn't care about the oil and coal industries. It's all about government 
contract money. Trump considers government money his own to hand out to his most 
loyal patrons. It's a most amazing thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdYGQ7B0Vew
 

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#102030

On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 20:45:54 GMT
dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

> Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:
> 
> > On 7/5/2026 5:40 PM, squillage wrote:  
> > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 17:23:42 -0400
> > > Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
> > >   
> > >> On 7/5/2026 4:52 PM, squillage wrote:
> > >>  
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems impractical.
> > >>>> Australia should go for the gold standard of power generation
> > >>>> i.e., nuclear power. The future will be glad that they did.
> > >>>> OTOH, I can't say if the Western world even knows how to build
> > >>>> these facilities any more.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q  
> > >>>
> > >>> China is playing nuclear catch-up fast.
> > >>>
> > >>> We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil
> > >>> demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources.  
> > >>
> > >> We should all try to conserve the finite materials so they last.
> > >>  
> > > 
> > > We already have.
> > > 
> > > We're sitting on 400 years of untapped coal reserves!
> > >   
> > >> Meantime, the Orange guy is stopping other sources of power such
> > >> as wind and solar and pushing coal and oil.  
> > > 
> > > No, he's refusing to SUBSIDIZE them, big difference right there.
> > >   
> > What do you call this?
> > 
> > https://www.utilitydive.com/news/doe-announces-850m-modernize-coal-capacity-build-new-plants/822109/
> > 
> > https://www.edf.org/media/trump-administration-pour-even-more-taxpayer-money-costly-unreliable-coal-plants
> >  
> 
> I'd call it just another scam. Trump gives his pals contracts to
> build stuff so they can make government money. 

Are they "pals"?

We recall how Joe Biden got a Fisker Karma factory opened in Delaware,
then they went bankrupt!

https://publicintegrity.org/politics/energys-risky-1-billion-bet-on-two-politically-connected-electric-car-builders/


Energy Department ‘bet’ on Fisker Automotive ends in bankruptcy
By Ronnie Greene
November 27, 2013
Standing in a shuttered General Motors plant in Wilmington, Del., Vice President Joe Biden heralded a half-billion-dollar Department of Energy loan that would transform the idled site into a production line for electric cars.

“Folks, we’re making a bet,” Biden said on Oct. 27, 2009. “We’re making a bet in the future, we’re making a bet in the American people, we’re making a bet in the market, we’re making a bet in innovation.”

That loan is part of a $1 billion bet the Energy Department has made on
two politically connected California electric carmakers producing
sporty — and pricey — cutting-edge autos. One is Fisker Automotive, the
project heralded by Biden and backed by a powerhouse venture capital
firm whose partners include former Vice President Al Gore and a
campaign donor to President Obama. The other is Tesla Motors, whose
prime backers include a major fundraiser for Obama and Google
co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin.


> Obviously, Trump gets some kickbacks. 

Should be rather easy to document then, have you?

"Trump's Defense and Recent Public FrictionThe Trump administration
firmly maintains that these actions are not corrupt favors, but rather
vital steps to achieve "American energy dominance," lower consumer
energy bills, and save domestic jobs.Interestingly, as the war in Iran
pushed national gas prices past $4.00 a gallon in June 2026, Trump
attempted to distance himself from corporate collusion by publicly
accusing major oil companies (such as ExxonMobil and Chevron) of price
gouging. He ordered the DOJ to investigate them for not lowering pump
prices—a move that political opponents like Representative Adam Schiff
blasted as a disingenuous attempt to deflect blame from his own
pro-fossil-fuel policies."

That said, fossil fuel producers were big contributors to his campaigns.

Maybe all these infrastructure plays are corrupted acts then?


AI Overview                 

The Trump administration’s approach to
infrastructure centers on aggressive deregulation, executive actions to
accelerate federal permitting, and an emphasis on private sector-led
technology and energy investments, rather than traditional large-scale
federal spending packages.Key elements of this infrastructure agenda
include:Data Centers and AI Buildout: President Trump signed directives
aimed at drastically reducing permitting bottlenecks for large-scale
data center projects and expanding energy capacity. This approach
helped catalyze massive corporate commitments, such as Google’s $25
billion investment in data centers.Housing and Space: The
administration has worked to remove regulatory barriers to affordable
home construction by reforming National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA)
requirements. Executive orders were also issued to expedite permits for
commercial space launch sites.Regulatory Streamlining: Central to his
philosophy is the reduction of construction and planning costs. The
administration consistently targets environmental and water-related
permitting processes to facilitate quicker infrastructure rollouts
across several sectors.For comprehensive updates on current
infrastructure initiatives and executive actions, you can check the
official White House Issues platform.

> Trump doesn't care about the oil and coal industries.

Then by definition they would not be his "pals".

> It's all about government contract money. 

Like Newscum's high speed rail disaster in Cali?

> Trump considers government
> money his own to hand out to his most loyal patrons. 

If true, how is that different from any other administration?

How many of Obammy's green energy companies went bankrupt _after_
taking our money?

https://www.facebook.com/JoshGuillory2023/posts/obamas-green-energy-gamble-turned-into-a-22-billion-taxpayer-backed-messivanpah-/1391031196176349/

Obama’s green energy gamble turned into a $2.2 billion taxpayer-backed mess.
Ivanpah was supposed to be the future of solar energy. Instead, it got a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, a $539 million Treasury grant.
$730 million to $780 million still remains on the loan.
The plant underperformed. The technology got passed by cheaper solar. PG&E wanted out. Officials under Trump and Biden supported shutting it down. California regulators said no.
So taxpayers helped build it. Ratepayers may have to keep paying for it. 
And the same politicians who pushed this mess still lecture the rest of
us about “smart investments.”

https://www.cato.org/blog/solyndra-case-study-green-energy-cronyism-failure-central-planning
Solyndra’s leaders engaged in a “pattern of false and misleading assertions” that drew a rosy picture of their company enjoying robust sales while they lobbied to win the first clean energy loan the new administration awarded in 2009, a lengthy investigation uncovered. The Silicon Valley start-up’s dramatic rise and then collapse into bankruptcy two years later became a rallying cry for critics of President Obama’s signature program to create jobs by injecting billions of dollars into clean energy firms.

And why would it become such a rallying cry for critics? Well, consider the hyperlink the Post inserted at that point in the article: “[Past coverage: Solyndra: Politics infused Obama energy programs]” And what did that article report?

Meant to create jobs and cut reliance on foreign oil, Obama’s green-technology program was infused with politics at every level, The Washington Post found in an analysis of thousands of memos, company records and internal ­e‑mails. Political considerations were raised repeatedly by company investors, Energy Department bureaucrats and White House officials. 

The records, some previously unreported, show that when warned that
financial disaster might lie ahead, the administration remained
steadfast in its support for Solyndra.


> It's a most
> amazing thing.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdYGQ7B0Vew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19HMSKClAdw

Electric car battery maker, A123 Systems Inc., is filing for
bankruptcy, after receiving $249 MILLION dollars in stimulus money,
that was borrowed from China, and over a $100 MILLION in tax breaks.
A123 Systems is another risky investment added to the long list of
failing "green energy" companies that was endorsed by Barack Obama.

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