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| Date | 2026-07-06 15:46 -0600 |
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| From | sid croft <andz@mar.ty> |
| Newsgroups | rec.food.cooking, sci.environment, alt.home.repair |
| Subject | Re: The Tempest continued. |
| Message-ID | <20260706154649.48927573@z-z> (permalink) |
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On Mon, 06 Jul 2026 20:45:54 GMT dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote: > Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted: > > > On 7/5/2026 5:40 PM, squillage wrote: > > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2026 17:23:42 -0400 > > > Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote: > > > > > >> On 7/5/2026 4:52 PM, squillage wrote: > > >> > > >>>> > > >>>> Maintaining 463 square miles of solar arrays seems impractical. > > >>>> Australia should go for the gold standard of power generation > > >>>> i.e., nuclear power. The future will be glad that they did. > > >>>> OTOH, I can't say if the Western world even knows how to build > > >>>> these facilities any more. > > >>>> > > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uF2LD728Q > > >>> > > >>> China is playing nuclear catch-up fast. > > >>> > > >>> We should hope they stick to nukes (which will ease coal and oil > > >>> demand) and quit hoarding the planet's fossil resources. > > >> > > >> We should all try to conserve the finite materials so they last. > > >> > > > > > > We already have. > > > > > > We're sitting on 400 years of untapped coal reserves! > > > > > >> Meantime, the Orange guy is stopping other sources of power such > > >> as wind and solar and pushing coal and oil. > > > > > > No, he's refusing to SUBSIDIZE them, big difference right there. > > > > > What do you call this? > > > > https://www.utilitydive.com/news/doe-announces-850m-modernize-coal-capacity-build-new-plants/822109/ > > > > https://www.edf.org/media/trump-administration-pour-even-more-taxpayer-money-costly-unreliable-coal-plants > > > > I'd call it just another scam. Trump gives his pals contracts to > build stuff so they can make government money. Are they "pals"? We recall how Joe Biden got a Fisker Karma factory opened in Delaware, then they went bankrupt! https://publicintegrity.org/politics/energys-risky-1-billion-bet-on-two-politically-connected-electric-car-builders/ Energy Department ‘bet’ on Fisker Automotive ends in bankruptcy By Ronnie Greene November 27, 2013 Standing in a shuttered General Motors plant in Wilmington, Del., Vice President Joe Biden heralded a half-billion-dollar Department of Energy loan that would transform the idled site into a production line for electric cars. “Folks, we’re making a bet,” Biden said on Oct. 27, 2009. “We’re making a bet in the future, we’re making a bet in the American people, we’re making a bet in the market, we’re making a bet in innovation.” That loan is part of a $1 billion bet the Energy Department has made on two politically connected California electric carmakers producing sporty — and pricey — cutting-edge autos. One is Fisker Automotive, the project heralded by Biden and backed by a powerhouse venture capital firm whose partners include former Vice President Al Gore and a campaign donor to President Obama. The other is Tesla Motors, whose prime backers include a major fundraiser for Obama and Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin. > Obviously, Trump gets some kickbacks. Should be rather easy to document then, have you? "Trump's Defense and Recent Public FrictionThe Trump administration firmly maintains that these actions are not corrupt favors, but rather vital steps to achieve "American energy dominance," lower consumer energy bills, and save domestic jobs.Interestingly, as the war in Iran pushed national gas prices past $4.00 a gallon in June 2026, Trump attempted to distance himself from corporate collusion by publicly accusing major oil companies (such as ExxonMobil and Chevron) of price gouging. He ordered the DOJ to investigate them for not lowering pump prices—a move that political opponents like Representative Adam Schiff blasted as a disingenuous attempt to deflect blame from his own pro-fossil-fuel policies." That said, fossil fuel producers were big contributors to his campaigns. Maybe all these infrastructure plays are corrupted acts then? AI Overview The Trump administration’s approach to infrastructure centers on aggressive deregulation, executive actions to accelerate federal permitting, and an emphasis on private sector-led technology and energy investments, rather than traditional large-scale federal spending packages.Key elements of this infrastructure agenda include:Data Centers and AI Buildout: President Trump signed directives aimed at drastically reducing permitting bottlenecks for large-scale data center projects and expanding energy capacity. This approach helped catalyze massive corporate commitments, such as Google’s $25 billion investment in data centers.Housing and Space: The administration has worked to remove regulatory barriers to affordable home construction by reforming National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) requirements. Executive orders were also issued to expedite permits for commercial space launch sites.Regulatory Streamlining: Central to his philosophy is the reduction of construction and planning costs. The administration consistently targets environmental and water-related permitting processes to facilitate quicker infrastructure rollouts across several sectors.For comprehensive updates on current infrastructure initiatives and executive actions, you can check the official White House Issues platform. > Trump doesn't care about the oil and coal industries. Then by definition they would not be his "pals". > It's all about government contract money. Like Newscum's high speed rail disaster in Cali? > Trump considers government > money his own to hand out to his most loyal patrons. If true, how is that different from any other administration? How many of Obammy's green energy companies went bankrupt _after_ taking our money? https://www.facebook.com/JoshGuillory2023/posts/obamas-green-energy-gamble-turned-into-a-22-billion-taxpayer-backed-messivanpah-/1391031196176349/ Obama’s green energy gamble turned into a $2.2 billion taxpayer-backed mess. Ivanpah was supposed to be the future of solar energy. Instead, it got a $1.6 billion federal loan guarantee, a $539 million Treasury grant. $730 million to $780 million still remains on the loan. The plant underperformed. The technology got passed by cheaper solar. PG&E wanted out. Officials under Trump and Biden supported shutting it down. California regulators said no. So taxpayers helped build it. Ratepayers may have to keep paying for it. And the same politicians who pushed this mess still lecture the rest of us about “smart investments.” https://www.cato.org/blog/solyndra-case-study-green-energy-cronyism-failure-central-planning Solyndra’s leaders engaged in a “pattern of false and misleading assertions” that drew a rosy picture of their company enjoying robust sales while they lobbied to win the first clean energy loan the new administration awarded in 2009, a lengthy investigation uncovered. The Silicon Valley start-up’s dramatic rise and then collapse into bankruptcy two years later became a rallying cry for critics of President Obama’s signature program to create jobs by injecting billions of dollars into clean energy firms. And why would it become such a rallying cry for critics? Well, consider the hyperlink the Post inserted at that point in the article: “[Past coverage: Solyndra: Politics infused Obama energy programs]” And what did that article report? Meant to create jobs and cut reliance on foreign oil, Obama’s green-technology program was infused with politics at every level, The Washington Post found in an analysis of thousands of memos, company records and internal e‑mails. Political considerations were raised repeatedly by company investors, Energy Department bureaucrats and White House officials. The records, some previously unreported, show that when warned that financial disaster might lie ahead, the administration remained steadfast in its support for Solyndra. > It's a most > amazing thing. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdYGQ7B0Vew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19HMSKClAdw Electric car battery maker, A123 Systems Inc., is filing for bankruptcy, after receiving $249 MILLION dollars in stimulus money, that was borrowed from China, and over a $100 MILLION in tax breaks. A123 Systems is another risky investment added to the long list of failing "green energy" companies that was endorsed by Barack Obama.
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