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  OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-12 13:30 -0800
    Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-12 21:46 +0000
      Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-12 13:53 -0800
        Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-02-12 17:18 -0500
      Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-12 14:45 -0800
        Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> - 2017-02-12 17:47 -0800
          Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-02-12 22:11 -0500
          Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-13 09:14 -0800
          Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-15 11:25 +0000
        Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2017-02-12 21:29 -0500
          Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-15 10:42 -0800
    Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> - 2017-02-12 14:59 -0700
      Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-12 14:42 -0800
        Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-12 14:50 -0800
          Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-13 00:45 +0000
          Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-13 10:26 -0800
            Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-13 12:07 -0800
    Re: OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ... Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2017-02-13 10:22 -0800

#447457 — OT: Beer, as it was in the old days ...

In the really *old* days.
https://www.thestreet.com/story/13997597/1/how-beer-brewed-5000-years-ago-in-china-tastes-today.html


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#447459

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:30:12 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:

> In the really *old* days.
> https://www.thestreet.com/story/13997597/1/how-beer-brewed-5000-years-
ago-in-china-tastes-today.html

A friend of mine went to one of the Westerner-friendly, touristy 
provinces of China for a holiday. Whilst there, he decided to sample some 
Chinese beer and bought a crate of the stuff from a small off-licence 
type of shop. A few days later, he poured some into a glass to sample and 
found leaves from some plant or other in it. The next day he returned the 
crate to the shop for a refund. The girl behind the counter exploded into 
a blind rage, throwing cans and bottles at him then chased him down the 
street screaming obscenities in a shrill, high-pitched voice whilst 
beating him around the head with one of her shoes.
Up until I heard about this, I'd always believed Germany 'enjoyed' the 
worst customer service reputation in the world. Mind you, this was a good 
few years ago so maybe Germany's top again by now.

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#447460

Cursitor Doom wrote...
>
> Chinese beer and bought a crate of the stuff from a small
> off-licence type of shop. A few days later, he poured some
> into a glass to sample and found leaves from some plant
> or other in it. The next day he returned the crate to the
> shop for a refund. The girl behind the counter exploded
> into a blind rage, throwing cans and bottles at him then
> chased him down the street screaming obscenities in a
> shrill, high-pitched voice whilst beating him around the
> head with one of her shoes.

 Sounds like somebody was offended.


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#447467

On 12 Feb 2017 13:53:08 -0800, the renowned Winfield Hill
<hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:

>Cursitor Doom wrote...
>>
>> Chinese beer and bought a crate of the stuff from a small
>> off-licence type of shop. A few days later, he poured some
>> into a glass to sample and found leaves from some plant
>> or other in it. The next day he returned the crate to the
>> shop for a refund. The girl behind the counter exploded
>> into a blind rage, throwing cans and bottles at him then
>> chased him down the street screaming obscenities in a
>> shrill, high-pitched voice whilst beating him around the
>> head with one of her shoes.
>
> Sounds like somebody was offended.

How long ago was that? I remember buying orange 'soda' in a park in
China and it was home bottled (no labels) with flecks of black stuff
in it. ca. 1987. Similarly ice cream in Guangxi (one of the poorest
provinces), probably where I got parasites. And the girls in the shops
were super rude- usually talking to each other and ignoring customers-
you had to get one to write up a receipt, pay a second and then a
third would fetch the commodity. 

These days service is great, better than in the West, everything is
excessively packaged, disposable packaging, and super fancy. Even the
aseptic packages of BBQ chicken feet in the 7-11 (or equivalent).
They've even got their own drinkable wine, though not at international
standard quite yet. 

Still can be a little rough in the far flung places though. Almost
like another country. 

P.S. Beating with shoes reminds me of Yossarian's friend Orr in Catch
22. 

--sp 


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Best regards, 
Spehro Pefhany

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#447473

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 21:46:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<curd@notformail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:30:12 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:
>
>> In the really *old* days.
>> https://www.thestreet.com/story/13997597/1/how-beer-brewed-5000-years-
>ago-in-china-tastes-today.html
>
>A friend of mine went to one of the Westerner-friendly, touristy 
>provinces of China for a holiday. Whilst there, he decided to sample some 
>Chinese beer and bought a crate of the stuff from a small off-licence 
>type of shop. A few days later, he poured some into a glass to sample and 
>found leaves from some plant or other in it. The next day he returned the 
>crate to the shop for a refund. The girl behind the counter exploded into 
>a blind rage, throwing cans and bottles at him then chased him down the 
>street screaming obscenities in a shrill, high-pitched voice whilst 
>beating him around the head with one of her shoes.
>Up until I heard about this, I'd always believed Germany 'enjoyed' the 
>worst customer service reputation in the world. Mind you, this was a good 
>few years ago so maybe Germany's top again by now.

I've found that Chinese vendors are often unwilling to give refunds,
even when their stuff is clearly defective. Several have lost my
business over refusal to be responsible.


-- 

John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#447503

John Larkin wrote...
>
> I've found that Chinese vendors are often unwilling to
> give refunds, even when their stuff is clearly defective.
> Several have lost my business over refusal to be responsible.

 I've purchased perhaps 50 items on eBay, Alibaba and Amazon
 from various Chinese sellers.  Free China-Post shipping
 makes stuff especially attractive.  They're generally
 very polite and the good-vs-bad ratio has been about 20:1.


-- 
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    - Win

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#447522

On 12 Feb 2017 17:47:39 -0800, the renowned Winfield Hill
<hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:

>John Larkin wrote...
>>
>> I've found that Chinese vendors are often unwilling to
>> give refunds, even when their stuff is clearly defective.
>> Several have lost my business over refusal to be responsible.
>
> I've purchased perhaps 50 items on eBay, Alibaba and Amazon
> from various Chinese sellers.  Free China-Post shipping
> makes stuff especially attractive.  They're generally
> very polite and the good-vs-bad ratio has been about 20:1.

I'm at about 100 orders just on Ali, from < $1 to >$2K. A couple bad
experiences ($200 worth of bad chips) but mostly very good. 

Do you think people would be interested in reviews outside Ali?

--sp 


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Best regards, 
Spehro Pefhany

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#447568

On 12 Feb 2017 17:47:39 -0800, Winfield Hill
<hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:

>John Larkin wrote...
>>
>> I've found that Chinese vendors are often unwilling to
>> give refunds, even when their stuff is clearly defective.
>> Several have lost my business over refusal to be responsible.
>
> I've purchased perhaps 50 items on eBay, Alibaba and Amazon
> from various Chinese sellers.  Free China-Post shipping
> makes stuff especially attractive.  They're generally
> very polite and the good-vs-bad ratio has been about 20:1.

I was referring to in-person sales.

I think public feeedback mechanisms on the web sites make vendors more
responsive.


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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#447724

On 2017-02-13, Winfield Hill <hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
> John Larkin wrote...
>>
>> I've found that Chinese vendors are often unwilling to
>> give refunds, even when their stuff is clearly defective.
>> Several have lost my business over refusal to be responsible.
>
>  I've purchased perhaps 50 items on eBay, Alibaba and Amazon
>  from various Chinese sellers.  Free China-Post shipping
>  makes stuff especially attractive.  They're generally
>  very polite and the good-vs-bad ratio has been about 20:1.

yeah, we got 1000 DC-DC modules from one supplier and about 5% have
parts missing.   Perhaps they sent us 1050 units and expect us to
reject the faulty ones. I didn't count carefully.

I ordered 20 of some other product and one was clearly defective,
on further checking they'd sent me 22 units.

but usually all perfect, or at worst "as described"

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#447510

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:45:37 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>
>I've found that Chinese vendors are often unwilling to give refunds,
>even when their stuff is clearly defective. Several have lost my
>business over refusal to be responsible.

Every sale final sale. 

--sp 

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Best regards, 
Spehro Pefhany

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#447771

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 21:29:24 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:45:37 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I've found that Chinese vendors are often unwilling to give refunds,
>>even when their stuff is clearly defective. Several have lost my
>>business over refusal to be responsible.
>
>Every sale final sale. 
>
>--sp 

Say that fast ten times.


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picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

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#447461

On 12 Feb 2017 13:30:12 -0800, Winfield Hill
<hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:

>In the really *old* days.
>https://www.thestreet.com/story/13997597/1/how-beer-brewed-5000-years-ago-in-china-tastes-today.html

Sounds, flavor-wise, like the wheat beer that Larkin introduced me to.
		
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#447472

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:59:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On 12 Feb 2017 13:30:12 -0800, Winfield Hill
><hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
>>In the really *old* days.
>>https://www.thestreet.com/story/13997597/1/how-beer-brewed-5000-years-ago-in-china-tastes-today.html
>
>Sounds, flavor-wise, like the wheat beer that Larkin introduced me to.
>		
>                                        ...Jim Thompson

But probably flat, not fizzy. CO2 makes things taste very different.

Try the Guinness Blonde. Or Harp. Tasty, not-very-hoppy beers.

Purple Haze is fun, if you can find it.

Stella comes in small bottles, very bland, but they make bigger,
fancy-bottle ones that are really better.

Asahi Super Dry is really good, too.

Most beers these days are competing to be the most hoppy and dark and
bitter. If not sour.


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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics 

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#447474

Den søndag den 12. februar 2017 kl. 23.42.44 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:59:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
> 
> >On 12 Feb 2017 13:30:12 -0800, Winfield Hill
> ><hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>In the really *old* days.
> >>https://www.thestreet.com/story/13997597/1/how-beer-brewed-5000-years-ago-in-china-tastes-today.html
> >
> >Sounds, flavor-wise, like the wheat beer that Larkin introduced me to.
> >		
> >                                        ...Jim Thompson
> 
> But probably flat, not fizzy. CO2 makes things taste very different.
> 
> Try the Guinness Blonde. Or Harp. Tasty, not-very-hoppy beers.
> 
> Purple Haze is fun, if you can find it.
> 
> Stella comes in small bottles, very bland, but they make bigger,
> fancy-bottle ones that are really better.
> 
> Asahi Super Dry is really good, too.
> 
> Most beers these days are competing to be the most hoppy and dark and
> bitter. If not sour.
> 

https://youtu.be/7lPtr6dQrnY?t=1m4s

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#447493

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:50:06 -0800, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

> https://youtu.be/7lPtr6dQrnY?t=1m4s

I think without any doubt by far the best light beer I ever sampled was 
proper Danish stuff (I think it was Carlesberg, but not the C'berg you 
find in supermarkets and pubs in Britain and the US which is vastly 
inferior). The *genuine* stuff we used to be able to buy on cross-channel 
ferries in the blue and gold coloured tins was just outstanding; in a 
class of its own.

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#447575

On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:50:06 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

>Den søndag den 12. februar 2017 kl. 23.42.44 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:59:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On 12 Feb 2017 13:30:12 -0800, Winfield Hill
>> ><hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >>In the really *old* days.
>> >>https://www.thestreet.com/story/13997597/1/how-beer-brewed-5000-years-ago-in-china-tastes-today.html
>> >
>> >Sounds, flavor-wise, like the wheat beer that Larkin introduced me to.
>> >		
>> >                                        ...Jim Thompson
>> 
>> But probably flat, not fizzy. CO2 makes things taste very different.
>> 
>> Try the Guinness Blonde. Or Harp. Tasty, not-very-hoppy beers.
>> 
>> Purple Haze is fun, if you can find it.
>> 
>> Stella comes in small bottles, very bland, but they make bigger,
>> fancy-bottle ones that are really better.
>> 
>> Asahi Super Dry is really good, too.
>> 
>> Most beers these days are competing to be the most hoppy and dark and
>> bitter. If not sour.
>> 
>
>https://youtu.be/7lPtr6dQrnY?t=1m4s

Real Men have to suffer as they drink beer?


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picosecond timing   precision measurement 

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
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#447587

Den mandag den 13. februar 2017 kl. 19.26.53 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:50:06 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
> <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
> 
> >Den søndag den 12. februar 2017 kl. 23.42.44 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
> >> On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:59:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
> >> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On 12 Feb 2017 13:30:12 -0800, Winfield Hill
> >> ><hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>In the really *old* days.
> >> >>https://www.thestreet.com/story/13997597/1/how-beer-brewed-5000-years-ago-in-china-tastes-today.html
> >> >
> >> >Sounds, flavor-wise, like the wheat beer that Larkin introduced me to.
> >> >		
> >> >                                        ...Jim Thompson
> >> 
> >> But probably flat, not fizzy. CO2 makes things taste very different.
> >> 
> >> Try the Guinness Blonde. Or Harp. Tasty, not-very-hoppy beers.
> >> 
> >> Purple Haze is fun, if you can find it.
> >> 
> >> Stella comes in small bottles, very bland, but they make bigger,
> >> fancy-bottle ones that are really better.
> >> 
> >> Asahi Super Dry is really good, too.
> >> 
> >> Most beers these days are competing to be the most hoppy and dark and
> >> bitter. If not sour.
> >> 
> >
> >https://youtu.be/7lPtr6dQrnY?t=1m4s
> 
> Real Men have to suffer as they drink beer?
> 

I think that very much depends on the definition of "real men" 
and what kind of beer it is 

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#447573

On 2017-02-12 13:30, Winfield Hill wrote:
> In the really *old* days.
> https://www.thestreet.com/story/13997597/1/how-beer-brewed-5000-years-ago-in-china-tastes-today.html
>
>

Quote "... as the ingredients used for fermentation were not filtered 
out". That is how home-brewers and micro-breweries still brew to this 
day. Key is to figure how to let residue flocculate out, mostly during 
secondary fermentation.

Batches #24 and #25 will be brewed here in the basement room this week. 
A Stout (modded to be more like a Honey Porter this time) and a Honey 
Wheat Beer. A Cream Ale and an Autumn Amber will be bottled this week. A 
Belgian Tripel just started carbonating and that one has a lot of volts.

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