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Re: experts aren't

From Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: experts aren't
Date 2017-02-14 10:40 +0000
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On 11/02/2017 18:59, John Larkin wrote:
>
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/01/government_industrial_strategy_is_not/

The jury is still out on graphene and its analogues.

No doubt they would have railed against the waste of money on lasers 
when no-one would ever be able to afford a pencil sized perfect ruby 
crystal and massive flashlights had they been around at the time.

The big problem with blue sky research is that you can never tell in 
advance which things will later prove to be very important.

There is no doubt that the UK government is lousy at picking industrial 
winners or patenting major academic inventions. They gave away radar, 
the jet engine and more recently monoclonal antibodies (the latter if it 
had been patented would easily have funded UK scientific research).

The place where things usually go awry is in the seedcorn stage going 
from a small startup to the first step on the global ladder. In the UK 
increasingly startups get bought up by global players to refund the 
initial investors with a quick profit before they can fully fledge. The 
profits then all go offshore - ARM holdings got done over last year by 
the weakened pound and London putting short term profit above long term 
investor gain and SOftBank now own them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36822272

> This aligns with the Black Swan concept
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Black-Swan-Improbable-Robustness-Fragility/dp/081297381X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1486838879&sr=8-2&keywords=black+swan
>
> and, he notes modestly, my general theory that, except in the rare
> fields of study that are subject to proof by experiment, most experts
> are usually wrong, and most experts are even wronger than the average
> truck driver, and more expertise makes them yet wronger.

You like to believe that because it fits with your ignorant prejudice 
against knowledge and skills. The problem in the UK is that government 
is run by and for London and the South East - it has been government 
policy to maintain a huge north south divide in prosperity and jobs. 
That in part explains why the Brexit vote happened the way it did.

The irony being that the places that voted to leave were net 
beneficiaries of EU policy to help struggling economic regions.

> EEs are usually right about our electronics, because our stuff has to
> work.

Plenty of electronics stuff doesn't and without software based 
simulations of modern electronic chip designs they would be almost 
impossible to fabricate with anything like acceptable yields.

-- 
Regards,
Martin Brown

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experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-11 10:59 -0800
  Re: experts aren't Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-11 19:14 +0000
    Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-11 11:28 -0800
      Re: experts aren't rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 18:07 -0500
        Re: experts aren't krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-11 18:53 -0500
      Re: experts aren't John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-02-11 15:08 -0800
        Re: experts aren't djlocher56@gmail.com - 2017-02-12 14:21 -0800
          Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 16:16 -0800
        Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-12 17:20 -0800
          Re: experts aren't Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-13 12:50 +0000
          Re: experts aren't Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-13 13:51 +0000
            Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-13 08:25 -0800
              Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-13 17:16 -0800
          Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-13 06:47 -0800
      Re: experts aren't Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-02-11 23:37 +0000
      Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-11 16:49 -0800
      Re: experts aren't whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 17:19 -0800
  Re: experts aren't bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-11 17:39 -0500
    Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-11 16:36 -0800
      Re: experts aren't bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-12 12:27 -0500
        Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-12 10:52 -0800
          Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 16:30 -0800
        Re: experts aren't Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-12 19:28 +0000
          Re: experts aren't Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2017-02-12 11:44 -0800
          Re: experts aren't bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-12 15:05 -0500
            Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-12 12:25 -0800
              Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 16:39 -0800
          Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-12 12:23 -0800
      Re: experts aren't bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-12 12:40 -0500
  Re: experts aren't Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-11 22:59 +0000
    Re: experts aren't rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 18:17 -0500
    Re: experts aren't krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-11 18:54 -0500
      Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-11 17:05 -0800
      Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-11 17:09 -0800
        Re: experts aren't rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 20:33 -0500
        Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-11 18:32 -0800
        Re: experts aren't whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 20:50 -0800
        Re: experts aren't bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-12 15:11 -0500
          Re: experts aren't bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-12 15:22 -0500
          Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-12 12:32 -0800
            Re: experts aren't bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-12 15:44 -0500
              Re: experts aren't bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-12 15:47 -0500
                Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-12 13:11 -0800
                Re: experts aren't bitrex <bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> - 2017-02-12 16:34 -0500
              Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 17:10 -0800
            Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 16:57 -0800
    Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-11 16:58 -0800
      Re: experts aren't Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:36 +0000
        Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-12 08:36 -0800
          Re: experts aren't Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-12 19:44 +0000
            Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-12 12:38 -0800
              Re: experts aren't Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2017-02-12 23:43 +0000
                Re: experts aren't krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-12 19:24 -0500
                Re: experts aren't Julian Barnes <jb9889@notformail.com> - 2017-02-13 00:53 +0000
                Re: experts aren't krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-12 20:18 -0500
                Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-12 17:27 -0800
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 18:28 -0800
              Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 18:26 -0800
          Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 18:29 -0800
        Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 17:43 -0800
  Re: experts aren't rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-02-11 18:02 -0500
  Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-11 16:43 -0800
  Re: experts aren't Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2017-02-11 21:42 -0800
    Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 04:19 -0800
      Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-12 04:45 -0800
        Re: experts aren't Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-12 15:44 +0000
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            Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-13 07:42 -0800
          Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-13 07:39 -0800
        Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 18:02 -0800
          Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-13 01:38 -0800
        Re: experts aren't whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-12 18:54 -0800
          Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-13 01:45 -0800
            Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-13 07:52 -0800
  Re: experts aren't bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com - 2017-02-12 00:13 -0800
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  Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-12 03:56 -0800
    Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 04:33 -0800
      Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-12 04:46 -0800
        Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-12 18:49 -0800
          Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-13 01:41 -0800
            Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-13 07:55 -0800
              Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 01:13 -0800
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-14 03:21 -0800
                Re: experts aren't Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-14 22:22 +0000
                Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-14 14:48 -0800
                Re: experts aren't George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-14 17:09 -0800
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-14 19:22 -0800
                Re: experts aren't whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-14 17:56 -0800
                Re: experts aren't John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> - 2017-02-15 18:05 +0000
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-14 19:21 -0800
                Re: experts aren't "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-02-18 21:41 -0500
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-18 19:05 -0800
  Re: experts aren't Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-02-14 10:40 +0000
    Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-14 03:42 -0800
      Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-14 04:14 -0800
        Re: experts aren't jurb6006@gmail.com - 2017-02-15 08:56 -0800
          Re: experts aren't John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-02-15 10:35 -0800
            Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkinxyxy@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-15 10:46 -0800
              Re: experts aren't George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2017-02-15 11:38 -0800
              Re: experts aren't John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-02-15 12:18 -0800
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-15 15:51 -0800
                Re: experts aren't John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-02-15 16:26 -0800
            Re: experts aren't krw@notreal.com - 2017-02-15 20:59 -0500
              Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-15 20:01 -0800
          Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-15 15:43 -0800
            Re: experts aren't John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> - 2017-02-15 16:38 -0800
              Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-15 19:38 -0800
                Re: experts aren't Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-17 21:25 +0000
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-17 21:47 -0800
                Re: experts aren't Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-18 12:49 +0000
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-18 05:13 -0800
                Re: experts aren't Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-18 22:39 +0000
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-18 18:12 -0800
                Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-18 11:43 -0800
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-18 17:52 -0800
            Re: experts aren't Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-17 21:17 +0000
              Re: experts aren't M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2017-02-18 16:46 -0500
              Re: experts aren't Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-02-19 05:35 +0000
                Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-19 02:15 -0800
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-19 03:28 -0800
                Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-19 03:31 -0800
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-19 09:23 -0800
                Re: experts aren't Cursitor Doom <curd@notformail.com> - 2017-02-20 00:31 +0000
                Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-19 17:31 -0800
        Re: experts aren't tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2017-02-17 13:43 -0800
    Re: experts aren't John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2017-02-14 07:08 -0800
      Re: experts aren't bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2017-02-14 20:07 -0800

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