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Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? John Pelan <jpelan13@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:16 -0700
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 04:05 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-20 01:41 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 13:42 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-20 13:08 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-20 17:18 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-20 14:54 -0700
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-20 18:05 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2015-08-28 17:32 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 21:04 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 18:38 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 21:12 -0600
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 23:40 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 06:07 +0000
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 06:06 -0700
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 08:18 -0600
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:03 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 15:58 -0600
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-08-29 22:27 +0100
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-29 01:00 +0100
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 00:39 +0000
Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-29 16:56 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 16:48 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 12:24 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 20:21 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-08-29 21:27 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-29 23:00 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-08-30 02:38 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-30 12:35 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-31 01:19 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 22:50 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 16:13 -0600
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:24 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-31 18:11 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-31 20:20 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 00:44 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 22:27 -0500
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 04:51 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-09-01 10:50 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 14:55 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-01 15:12 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 15:46 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-09-04 00:04 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-31 19:22 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-09-07 17:15 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 23:22 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 17:57 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-01 18:09 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 18:23 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-09-01 14:04 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 23:27 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-09-01 19:29 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2015-09-01 19:49 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 02:55 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 05:29 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 12:11 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-02 16:47 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2015-09-02 23:51 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-03 01:45 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-02 07:03 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 14:14 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) - 2015-09-02 10:22 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-02 12:14 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-01 16:42 -0600
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 16:12 -0700
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-02 00:00 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 19:24 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-09-01 23:29 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-09-02 16:52 +0100
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-01 20:01 -0500
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 19:33 -0400
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2015-09-04 00:08 +0100
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-30 12:32 -0400
Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-20 12:02 -0500
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 15:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <ffjFx.2$HU5.1@fx24.iad> |
| In reply to | #421700 |
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: >> >Okay, I have a test file in .rtf. I need to find SOMEbody who >can read the epub documentation (which, I observe, is online) >well enough to teach me the rudiments of turning an .rtf file >into .epub. You can use Calibre to do the conversion automatically. It's open source software available for most operating systems. http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html Basically, run calibre, select "add books" and add your RTF file. Then select the book title followed by "Convert Books". Select the output type epub and you're good to go.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 15:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <nu095F.rH2@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421702 |
In article <ffjFx.2$HU5.1@fx24.iad>, Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: > >>> >>Okay, I have a test file in .rtf. I need to find SOMEbody who >>can read the epub documentation (which, I observe, is online) >>well enough to teach me the rudiments of turning an .rtf file >>into .epub. > >You can use Calibre to do the conversion automatically. It's >open source software available for most operating systems. > >http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html > >Basically, run calibre, select "add books" and add your RTF >file. Then select the book title followed by "Convert Books". > >Select the output type epub and you're good to go. Thanks; added to my growing file of things I cannot understand but maybe Hal or Meg will. (This is all beginning to remind me of the time back in 2000 when I was complaining about graphically distressing ads popping up every time I got onto the Web, and Gary Farber kept saying, Just get onto Yahoo and download some ad-blockers, that's not difficult is it, you're not stupid are you?) -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2015-09-04 00:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <7dkhuat008te9koevll77glvtmc7rpjiel@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #421703 |
On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 15:46:27 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
>In article <ffjFx.2$HU5.1@fx24.iad>, Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>
>>>>
>>>Okay, I have a test file in .rtf. I need to find SOMEbody who
>>>can read the epub documentation (which, I observe, is online)
>>>well enough to teach me the rudiments of turning an .rtf file
>>>into .epub.
>>
>>You can use Calibre to do the conversion automatically. It's
>>open source software available for most operating systems.
>>
>>http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html
>>
>>Basically, run calibre, select "add books" and add your RTF
>>file. Then select the book title followed by "Convert Books".
>>
>>Select the output type epub and you're good to go.
>
>Thanks; added to my growing file of things I cannot understand
>but maybe Hal or Meg will.
>
>(This is all beginning to remind me of the time back in 2000 when
>I was complaining about graphically distressing ads popping up
>every time I got onto the Web, and Gary Farber kept saying, Just
>get onto Yahoo and download some ad-blockers, that's not
>difficult is it, you're not stupid are you?)
Ugh, adblockers. Tried to help out a colleague by installing one in her
preferred browser - Internet Explorer. Took loads of faffing about,
everything was made painful by MS, apparently in the name of "security".
Dead easy in Chrome or Firefox or Safari, on the plus side :)
Cheers - Jaimie
--
A mind stretched by an idea can never go back to its original dimensions.
- Conan Doyle
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2015-08-31 19:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <4Q1Fx.9510$4m.5008@fx29.iad> |
| In reply to | #421656 |
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: >Well, guys, it looks as if there is no e-format anybody can think >of, except PDF, that will use different fonts -- and PDFs won't >work on handhelds. Except if the user knows about some weird >software that will turn PDFs into handheld-readable, which I >can't expect your basic user to know about. Hmm. My nook handles PDF's just fine.
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| From | "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-07 17:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <d55v13Fsg4sU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #421659 |
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 19:22:40 +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote: > djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: >>Well, guys, it looks as if there is no e-format anybody can think of, >>except PDF, that will use different fonts -- and PDFs won't work on >>handhelds. Except if the user knows about some weird software that will >>turn PDFs into handheld-readable, which I can't expect your basic user >>to know about. > > Hmm. My nook handles PDF's just fine. My main complaint about most PDFs on a small screen is that they don't reflow, meaning that you have to scroll the image sideways on every line in order to read it.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-31 23:22 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <MPG.304ee400eb8f0975989af8@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #421656 |
In article <ntyL7s.1o28@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says... > > Well, guys, it looks as if there is no e-format anybody can think > of, except PDF, that will use different fonts -- and PDFs won't > work on handhelds. Adobe has Acrobat Reader apps for Android and IOS, and the non-Android version of the Kindle handles PDFs natively. That covers most of the market. > Except if the user knows about some weird > software that will turn PDFs into handheld-readable, which I > can't expect your basic user to know about. > > Thanks for the thoughts, anyway.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 17:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <nu0F8K.133q@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421677 |
Well, I got Hal to say "Send me the links and I'll look at them." So I went through my entire file of suggestions people have made, and after discarding all the stuff about what Kindle will and won't do, and all the "I can't read [format] on my [device]," I found I have only two actual links, viz., http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing (which looks as though it's a subsection on the legal uses of epub, rather than a basic introduction), and http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html which looks as if it may not be about epub at all, but something else. Can someone provice a link to the absolutely basic introduction to epub, so Hal can make a start on it? Thanks. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 18:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <MRlFx.4596$tS.1181@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #421718 |
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>Well, I got Hal to say "Send me the links and I'll look at them."
>So I went through my entire file of suggestions people have made,
>and after discarding all the stuff about what Kindle will and
>won't do, and all the "I can't read [format] on my [device]," I
>found I have only two actual links, viz.,
>
>http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing
>
>(which looks as though it's a subsection on the legal uses of
>epub, rather than a basic introduction), and
>
>http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html
>
>which looks as if it may not be about epub at all, but something
>else.
calibre is a PC-based e-book reader and conversion utility which uses
EPUB as it's primary format choice.
An EPUB is a container (zip) which contains a set of HTML files and
cascading style sheets that are applied to the HTML files for
formatting. Each chapter is generally a single HTML file and there
are other HTML files handling frontmatter, ToC, indicies, maps, et
alia. EPUB is an ISO standard (ISO/IEC TS 30135) and the links to
the standard document are present in the wiki page for EPUB:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB
Here are instructions for converting an RTF/DOC to EPUB using
calibre.
http://www.epubli.co.uk/instruction/ebook/convert/calibre
Calibre for windows can be found here:
http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 18:23 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <nu0GF3.158t@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421722 |
In article <MRlFx.4596$tS.1181@fx07.iad>, Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: >>Well, I got Hal to say "Send me the links and I'll look at them." >>So I went through my entire file of suggestions people have made, >>and after discarding all the stuff about what Kindle will and >>won't do, and all the "I can't read [format] on my [device]," I >>found I have only two actual links, viz., >> >>http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing >> >>(which looks as though it's a subsection on the legal uses of >>epub, rather than a basic introduction), and >> >>http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html >> >>which looks as if it may not be about epub at all, but something >>else. > >calibre is a PC-based e-book reader and conversion utility which uses >EPUB as it's primary format choice. > >An EPUB is a container (zip) which contains a set of HTML files and >cascading style sheets that are applied to the HTML files for >formatting. Each chapter is generally a single HTML file and there >are other HTML files handling frontmatter, ToC, indicies, maps, et >alia. EPUB is an ISO standard (ISO/IEC TS 30135) and the links to >the standard document are present in the wiki page for EPUB: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB > >Here are instructions for converting an RTF/DOC to EPUB using >calibre. > >http://www.epubli.co.uk/instruction/ebook/convert/calibre > >Calibre for windows can be found here: > > http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows > OK, I've copied everything you said and sent it to Hal. Thank you. That thundering sound you hear is everything you said going over my head so fast it makes sonic booms, but maybe it will make sense to him. Stay tuned.... -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 14:04 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <ee866380-8d30-4689-9075-d908803afbf3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #421727 |
On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 4:30:04 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <MRlFx.4596$tS.1181@fx07.iad>, > Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: > >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: > >>Well, I got Hal to say "Send me the links and I'll look at them." > >>So I went through my entire file of suggestions people have made, > >>and after discarding all the stuff about what Kindle will and > >>won't do, and all the "I can't read [format] on my [device]," I > >>found I have only two actual links, viz., > >> > >>http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing > >> > >>(which looks as though it's a subsection on the legal uses of > >>epub, rather than a basic introduction), and > >> > >>http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html > >> > >>which looks as if it may not be about epub at all, but something > >>else. > > > >calibre is a PC-based e-book reader and conversion utility which uses > >EPUB as it's primary format choice. > > > >An EPUB is a container (zip) which contains a set of HTML files and > >cascading style sheets that are applied to the HTML files for > >formatting. Each chapter is generally a single HTML file and there > >are other HTML files handling frontmatter, ToC, indicies, maps, et > >alia. EPUB is an ISO standard (ISO/IEC TS 30135) and the links to > >the standard document are present in the wiki page for EPUB: > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB > > > >Here are instructions for converting an RTF/DOC to EPUB using > >calibre. > > > >http://www.epubli.co.uk/instruction/ebook/convert/calibre > > > >Calibre for windows can be found here: > > > > http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows > > > > OK, I've copied everything you said and sent it to Hal. Thank > you. That thundering sound you hear is everything you said going > over my head so fast it makes sonic booms, but maybe it will make > sense to him. > > Stay tuned.... I've read "The Interior Life" so I know what you're trying to do with the fonts. If you like, e-mail the rtf file to me and I'll convert it to epub and a bunch of other formats and see what it looks like. fifthwave at live dot com dot au -Moriarty
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 23:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <nu0uH7.1xp1@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421735 |
In article <ee866380-8d30-4689-9075-d908803afbf3@googlegroups.com>, Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 4:30:04 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <MRlFx.4596$tS.1181@fx07.iad>, >> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: >> >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: >> >>Well, I got Hal to say "Send me the links and I'll look at them." >> >>So I went through my entire file of suggestions people have made, >> >>and after discarding all the stuff about what Kindle will and >> >>won't do, and all the "I can't read [format] on my [device]," I >> >>found I have only two actual links, viz., >> >> >> >>http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing >> >> >> >>(which looks as though it's a subsection on the legal uses of >> >>epub, rather than a basic introduction), and >> >> >> >>http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html >> >> >> >>which looks as if it may not be about epub at all, but something >> >>else. >> > >> >calibre is a PC-based e-book reader and conversion utility which uses >> >EPUB as it's primary format choice. >> > >> >An EPUB is a container (zip) which contains a set of HTML files and >> >cascading style sheets that are applied to the HTML files for >> >formatting. Each chapter is generally a single HTML file and there >> >are other HTML files handling frontmatter, ToC, indicies, maps, et >> >alia. EPUB is an ISO standard (ISO/IEC TS 30135) and the links to >> >the standard document are present in the wiki page for EPUB: >> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB >> > >> >Here are instructions for converting an RTF/DOC to EPUB using >> >calibre. >> > >> >http://www.epubli.co.uk/instruction/ebook/convert/calibre >> > >> >Calibre for windows can be found here: >> > >> > http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows >> > >> >> OK, I've copied everything you said and sent it to Hal. Thank >> you. That thundering sound you hear is everything you said going >> over my head so fast it makes sonic booms, but maybe it will make >> sense to him. >> >> Stay tuned.... > >I've read "The Interior Life" so I know what you're trying to do with >the fonts. If you like, e-mail the rtf file to me and I'll convert it >to epub and a bunch of other formats and see what it looks like. > >fifthwave at live dot com dot au Will do! It's just a couple of paragraphs. I tried to get (from the limited fonts on my word processor, most of which are sans-serif and look much too much alike); but if you can tell there are three fonts, then translate them into whatever you like and see if they work. > -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 19:29 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <2a585800-b4f1-4f7d-a771-9d775492815c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #421747 |
On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 9:30:03 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <ee866380-8d30-4689-9075-d908803afbf3@googlegroups.com>, > Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: > >On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 4:30:04 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >> In article <MRlFx.4596$tS.1181@fx07.iad>, > >> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: > >> >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: > >> >>Well, I got Hal to say "Send me the links and I'll look at them." > >> >>So I went through my entire file of suggestions people have made, > >> >>and after discarding all the stuff about what Kindle will and > >> >>won't do, and all the "I can't read [format] on my [device]," I > >> >>found I have only two actual links, viz., > >> >> > >> >>http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing > >> >> > >> >>(which looks as though it's a subsection on the legal uses of > >> >>epub, rather than a basic introduction), and > >> >> > >> >>http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html > >> >> > >> >>which looks as if it may not be about epub at all, but something > >> >>else. > >> > > >> >calibre is a PC-based e-book reader and conversion utility which uses > >> >EPUB as it's primary format choice. > >> > > >> >An EPUB is a container (zip) which contains a set of HTML files and > >> >cascading style sheets that are applied to the HTML files for > >> >formatting. Each chapter is generally a single HTML file and there > >> >are other HTML files handling frontmatter, ToC, indicies, maps, et > >> >alia. EPUB is an ISO standard (ISO/IEC TS 30135) and the links to > >> >the standard document are present in the wiki page for EPUB: > >> > > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB > >> > > >> >Here are instructions for converting an RTF/DOC to EPUB using > >> >calibre. > >> > > >> >http://www.epubli.co.uk/instruction/ebook/convert/calibre > >> > > >> >Calibre for windows can be found here: > >> > > >> > http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows > >> > > >> > >> OK, I've copied everything you said and sent it to Hal. Thank > >> you. That thundering sound you hear is everything you said going > >> over my head so fast it makes sonic booms, but maybe it will make > >> sense to him. > >> > >> Stay tuned.... > > > >I've read "The Interior Life" so I know what you're trying to do with > >the fonts. If you like, e-mail the rtf file to me and I'll convert it > >to epub and a bunch of other formats and see what it looks like. > > > >fifthwave at live dot com dot au > > Will do! It's just a couple of paragraphs. I tried to get (from > the limited fonts on my word processor, most of which are > sans-serif and look much too much alike); but if you can tell > there are three fonts, then translate them into whatever you like > and see if they work. Success! I copied the text you sent me into a word doc and used 'Save As' to save it as an htm file, (because that's what calibre told me to do, it didn't want to touch rtf for some reason). Then I imported it into calibre and converted it to mobi, epub and azw3 formats. I made sure the 'Embed referenced fonts' box was ticked, otherwise the fonts wouldn't have been preserved. The epub and azw3 versions supported your fonts, the mobi version didn't. I was kind of expecting that to happen. Then I copied the azw3 version onto my kindle and it was perfectly readable, but ONLY once I'd set the 'Publisher Font' option to ON. I've only got a kindle, so can't test the epub version on a nook or kobo or whatnot, but I'd guess it would be easier than the kindle was as that last 'Publisher Font' step probably wouldn't be required. If you go ahead with it, I'd suggest you don't use Candara and Times New Roman, they're too similar and the changes are hard to make out. Vijava was fine. -Moriarty
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| From | Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-01 19:49 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <83b886b5-adb8-43e0-8924-87c08818b37f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #421754 |
On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 12:29:33 PM UTC+10, Moriarty wrote: > On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 9:30:03 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > In article <ee866380-8d30-4689-9075-d908803afbf3@googlegroups.com>, <snip> > > >I've read "The Interior Life" so I know what you're trying to do with > > >the fonts. If you like, e-mail the rtf file to me and I'll convert it > > >to epub and a bunch of other formats and see what it looks like. > > > > > >fifthwave at live dot com dot au > > > > Will do! It's just a couple of paragraphs. I tried to get (from > > the limited fonts on my word processor, most of which are > > sans-serif and look much too much alike); but if you can tell > > there are three fonts, then translate them into whatever you like > > and see if they work. > > Success! I copied the text you sent me into a word doc and used 'Save As' to save it as an htm file, (because that's what calibre told me to do, it didn't want to touch rtf for some reason). > > Then I imported it into calibre and converted it to mobi, epub and azw3 formats. I made sure the 'Embed referenced fonts' box was ticked, otherwise the fonts wouldn't have been preserved. > > The epub and azw3 versions supported your fonts, the mobi version didn't. I was kind of expecting that to happen. Just to clarify, the internal ebook viewer that comes with calibre correctly displayed the azw3 and epub versions, but not the mobi. -Moriarty
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-09-02 02:55 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <nu144E.AtG@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421754 |
In article <2a585800-b4f1-4f7d-a771-9d775492815c@googlegroups.com>, Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 9:30:03 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> In article <ee866380-8d30-4689-9075-d908803afbf3@googlegroups.com>, >> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >> >On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 4:30:04 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >> In article <MRlFx.4596$tS.1181@fx07.iad>, >> >> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: >> >> >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: >> >> >>Well, I got Hal to say "Send me the links and I'll look at them." >> >> >>So I went through my entire file of suggestions people have made, >> >> >>and after discarding all the stuff about what Kindle will and >> >> >>won't do, and all the "I can't read [format] on my [device]," I >> >> >>found I have only two actual links, viz., >> >> >> >> >> >>http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing >> >> >> >> >> >>(which looks as though it's a subsection on the legal uses of >> >> >>epub, rather than a basic introduction), and >> >> >> >> >> >>http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html >> >> >> >> >> >>which looks as if it may not be about epub at all, but something >> >> >>else. >> >> > >> >> >calibre is a PC-based e-book reader and conversion utility which uses >> >> >EPUB as it's primary format choice. >> >> > >> >> >An EPUB is a container (zip) which contains a set of HTML files and >> >> >cascading style sheets that are applied to the HTML files for >> >> >formatting. Each chapter is generally a single HTML file and there >> >> >are other HTML files handling frontmatter, ToC, indicies, maps, et >> >> >alia. EPUB is an ISO standard (ISO/IEC TS 30135) and the links to >> >> >the standard document are present in the wiki page for EPUB: >> >> > >> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB >> >> > >> >> >Here are instructions for converting an RTF/DOC to EPUB using >> >> >calibre. >> >> > >> >> >http://www.epubli.co.uk/instruction/ebook/convert/calibre >> >> > >> >> >Calibre for windows can be found here: >> >> > >> >> > http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows >> >> > >> >> >> >> OK, I've copied everything you said and sent it to Hal. Thank >> >> you. That thundering sound you hear is everything you said going >> >> over my head so fast it makes sonic booms, but maybe it will make >> >> sense to him. >> >> >> >> Stay tuned.... >> > >> >I've read "The Interior Life" so I know what you're trying to do with >> >the fonts. If you like, e-mail the rtf file to me and I'll convert it >> >to epub and a bunch of other formats and see what it looks like. >> > >> >fifthwave at live dot com dot au >> >> Will do! It's just a couple of paragraphs. I tried to get (from >> the limited fonts on my word processor, most of which are >> sans-serif and look much too much alike); but if you can tell >> there are three fonts, then translate them into whatever you like >> and see if they work. > >Success! I copied the text you sent me into a word doc and used 'Save >As' to save it as an htm file, (because that's what calibre told me to >do, it didn't want to touch rtf for some reason). > >Then I imported it into calibre and converted it to mobi, epub and azw3 >formats. I made sure the 'Embed referenced fonts' box was ticked, >otherwise the fonts wouldn't have been preserved. > >The epub and azw3 versions supported your fonts, the mobi version >didn't. I was kind of expecting that to happen. > >Then I copied the azw3 version onto my kindle and it was perfectly >readable, but ONLY once I'd set the 'Publisher Font' option to ON. Thanks for your efforts, and the info! I'm not very sanguine about going with Kindle anyhow. Next question: does epub have a library of fonts of its own, so that I could select some fonts that are clearly distinct to the eye of a reader who is not a typography maven? > >I've only got a kindle, so can't test the epub version on a nook or kobo >or whatnot, but I'd guess it would be easier than the kindle was as that >last 'Publisher Font' step probably wouldn't be required. > >If you go ahead with it, I'd suggest you don't use Candara and Times New >Roman, they're too similar and the changes are hard to make out. Vijava >was fine. Well, I tried. Candara is sans-serif and Times is serif'd, and practically every other font in the OpenOffice library is sans-serif too and they look way too alike to me. One of the things Hal has said he'd do is to look online for some more interesting fonts. Way back in the day of Word 2.0 there was a font called Tolkien that looked like lovely Carolingian half-uncials. I'd love to have something like that for font 2. Thanks again. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked. >-Moriarty
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-02 05:29 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <MPG.30508ba39dab051f989afe@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #421756 |
In article <nu144E.AtG@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says... > > In article <2a585800-b4f1-4f7d-a771-9d775492815c@googlegroups.com>, > Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: > >On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 9:30:03 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >> In article <ee866380-8d30-4689-9075-d908803afbf3@googlegroups.com>, > >> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: > >> >On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 4:30:04 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > >> >> In article <MRlFx.4596$tS.1181@fx07.iad>, > >> >> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: > >> >> >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: > >> >> >>Well, I got Hal to say "Send me the links and I'll look at them." > >> >> >>So I went through my entire file of suggestions people have made, > >> >> >>and after discarding all the stuff about what Kindle will and > >> >> >>won't do, and all the "I can't read [format] on my [device]," I > >> >> >>found I have only two actual links, viz., > >> >> >> > >> >> >>http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing > >> >> >> > >> >> >>(which looks as though it's a subsection on the legal uses of > >> >> >>epub, rather than a basic introduction), and > >> >> >> > >> >> >>http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html > >> >> >> > >> >> >>which looks as if it may not be about epub at all, but something > >> >> >>else. > >> >> > > >> >> >calibre is a PC-based e-book reader and conversion utility which uses > >> >> >EPUB as it's primary format choice. > >> >> > > >> >> >An EPUB is a container (zip) which contains a set of HTML files and > >> >> >cascading style sheets that are applied to the HTML files for > >> >> >formatting. Each chapter is generally a single HTML file and there > >> >> >are other HTML files handling frontmatter, ToC, indicies, maps, et > >> >> >alia. EPUB is an ISO standard (ISO/IEC TS 30135) and the links to > >> >> >the standard document are present in the wiki page for EPUB: > >> >> > > >> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB > >> >> > > >> >> >Here are instructions for converting an RTF/DOC to EPUB using > >> >> >calibre. > >> >> > > >> >> >http://www.epubli.co.uk/instruction/ebook/convert/calibre > >> >> > > >> >> >Calibre for windows can be found here: > >> >> > > >> >> > http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> OK, I've copied everything you said and sent it to Hal. Thank > >> >> you. That thundering sound you hear is everything you said going > >> >> over my head so fast it makes sonic booms, but maybe it will make > >> >> sense to him. > >> >> > >> >> Stay tuned.... > >> > > >> >I've read "The Interior Life" so I know what you're trying to do with > >> >the fonts. If you like, e-mail the rtf file to me and I'll convert it > >> >to epub and a bunch of other formats and see what it looks like. > >> > > >> >fifthwave at live dot com dot au > >> > >> Will do! It's just a couple of paragraphs. I tried to get (from > >> the limited fonts on my word processor, most of which are > >> sans-serif and look much too much alike); but if you can tell > >> there are three fonts, then translate them into whatever you like > >> and see if they work. > > > >Success! I copied the text you sent me into a word doc and used 'Save > >As' to save it as an htm file, (because that's what calibre told me to > >do, it didn't want to touch rtf for some reason). > > > >Then I imported it into calibre and converted it to mobi, epub and azw3 > >formats. I made sure the 'Embed referenced fonts' box was ticked, > >otherwise the fonts wouldn't have been preserved. > > > >The epub and azw3 versions supported your fonts, the mobi version > >didn't. I was kind of expecting that to happen. > > > >Then I copied the azw3 version onto my kindle and it was perfectly > >readable, but ONLY once I'd set the 'Publisher Font' option to ON. > > Thanks for your efforts, and the info! I'm not very sanguine > about going with Kindle anyhow. > > Next question: does epub have a library of fonts of its own, so > that I could select some fonts that are clearly distinct to the > eye of a reader who is not a typography maven? > > > >I've only got a kindle, so can't test the epub version on a nook or kobo > >or whatnot, but I'd guess it would be easier than the kindle was as that > >last 'Publisher Font' step probably wouldn't be required. > > > >If you go ahead with it, I'd suggest you don't use Candara and Times New > >Roman, they're too similar and the changes are hard to make out. Vijava > >was fine. > > Well, I tried. Candara is sans-serif and Times is serif'd, and > practically every other font in the OpenOffice library is > sans-serif too and they look way too alike to me. > > One of the things Hal has said he'd do is to look online for some > more interesting fonts. Way back in the day of Word 2.0 there > was a font called Tolkien that looked like lovely Carolingian > half-uncials. I'd love to have something like that for font 2. <https://www.google.com/fonts> provides a range of optiona, all provided as open source. <http://www.1001freefonts.com/> has a large collection--note on the right above the "download" butten the licensing is briefly stated. Don't take their word for "free" though--click the font and you should get an expanded page with a link to the publisher at or near the bottom--you can go there and check the details of the licensing. Also note that some of the publishers are individuals doing it for personal reasons and might have suggestions if you explain to them what you are trying to do. <http://www.1001fonts.com/> (different from above) also has a large collection and allows display of only those that are free for commercial use (click the price tag with a dollar sign on it next to the "your text here" box). Again read the details though. While it's possible to download the Tolkien font (google "Tolkien Regular"), it is copyrighted, not licensed for redistribution, and the publisher seems to be defunct so there's no way to license it. Note--be careful about _any_ font you use--the ones that come with word processors and the like are typically not licensed for redistribution, which includes embedding in a document. I doubt anybody who would do that is going to notice you and come after you but it can happen.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-09-02 12:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <nu1tus.1wvz@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421772 |
In article <MPG.30508ba39dab051f989afe@news.eternal-september.org>, J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: >In article <nu144E.AtG@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says... >> >> In article <2a585800-b4f1-4f7d-a771-9d775492815c@googlegroups.com>, >> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >> >On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 9:30:03 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: >> >> In article <ee866380-8d30-4689-9075-d908803afbf3@googlegroups.com>, >> >> Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >> >> >On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 4:30:04 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J >Heydt wrote: >> >> >> In article <MRlFx.4596$tS.1181@fx07.iad>, >> >> >> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote: >> >> >> >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes: >> >> >> >>Well, I got Hal to say "Send me the links and I'll look at them." >> >> >> >>So I went through my entire file of suggestions people have made, >> >> >> >>and after discarding all the stuff about what Kindle will and >> >> >> >>won't do, and all the "I can't read [format] on my [device]," I >> >> >> >>found I have only two actual links, viz., >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>(which looks as though it's a subsection on the legal uses of >> >> >> >>epub, rather than a basic introduction), and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/faq.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>which looks as if it may not be about epub at all, but something >> >> >> >>else. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >calibre is a PC-based e-book reader and conversion utility which uses >> >> >> >EPUB as it's primary format choice. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >An EPUB is a container (zip) which contains a set of HTML files and >> >> >> >cascading style sheets that are applied to the HTML files for >> >> >> >formatting. Each chapter is generally a single HTML file and there >> >> >> >are other HTML files handling frontmatter, ToC, indicies, maps, et >> >> >> >alia. EPUB is an ISO standard (ISO/IEC TS 30135) and the links to >> >> >> >the standard document are present in the wiki page for EPUB: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Here are instructions for converting an RTF/DOC to EPUB using >> >> >> >calibre. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >http://www.epubli.co.uk/instruction/ebook/convert/calibre >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Calibre for windows can be found here: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, I've copied everything you said and sent it to Hal. Thank >> >> >> you. That thundering sound you hear is everything you said going >> >> >> over my head so fast it makes sonic booms, but maybe it will make >> >> >> sense to him. >> >> >> >> >> >> Stay tuned.... >> >> > >> >> >I've read "The Interior Life" so I know what you're trying to do with >> >> >the fonts. If you like, e-mail the rtf file to me and I'll convert it >> >> >to epub and a bunch of other formats and see what it looks like. >> >> > >> >> >fifthwave at live dot com dot au >> >> >> >> Will do! It's just a couple of paragraphs. I tried to get (from >> >> the limited fonts on my word processor, most of which are >> >> sans-serif and look much too much alike); but if you can tell >> >> there are three fonts, then translate them into whatever you like >> >> and see if they work. >> > >> >Success! I copied the text you sent me into a word doc and used 'Save >> >As' to save it as an htm file, (because that's what calibre told me to >> >do, it didn't want to touch rtf for some reason). >> > >> >Then I imported it into calibre and converted it to mobi, epub and azw3 >> >formats. I made sure the 'Embed referenced fonts' box was ticked, >> >otherwise the fonts wouldn't have been preserved. >> > >> >The epub and azw3 versions supported your fonts, the mobi version >> >didn't. I was kind of expecting that to happen. >> > >> >Then I copied the azw3 version onto my kindle and it was perfectly >> >readable, but ONLY once I'd set the 'Publisher Font' option to ON. >> >> Thanks for your efforts, and the info! I'm not very sanguine >> about going with Kindle anyhow. >> >> Next question: does epub have a library of fonts of its own, so >> that I could select some fonts that are clearly distinct to the >> eye of a reader who is not a typography maven? >> > >> >I've only got a kindle, so can't test the epub version on a nook or kobo >> >or whatnot, but I'd guess it would be easier than the kindle was as that >> >last 'Publisher Font' step probably wouldn't be required. >> > >> >If you go ahead with it, I'd suggest you don't use Candara and Times New >> >Roman, they're too similar and the changes are hard to make out. Vijava >> >was fine. >> >> Well, I tried. Candara is sans-serif and Times is serif'd, and >> practically every other font in the OpenOffice library is >> sans-serif too and they look way too alike to me. >> >> One of the things Hal has said he'd do is to look online for some >> more interesting fonts. Way back in the day of Word 2.0 there >> was a font called Tolkien that looked like lovely Carolingian >> half-uncials. I'd love to have something like that for font 2. > ><https://www.google.com/fonts> provides a range of optiona, all provided >as open source. > ><http://www.1001freefonts.com/> has a large collection--note on the >right above the "download" butten the licensing is briefly stated. Don't >take their word for "free" though--click the font and you should get an >expanded page with a link to the publisher at or near the bottom--you >can go there and check the details of the licensing. Also note that >some of the publishers are individuals doing it for personal reasons and >might have suggestions if you explain to them what you are trying to do. > ><http://www.1001fonts.com/> (different from above) also has a large >collection and allows display of only those that are free for commercial >use (click the price tag with a dollar sign on it next to the "your text >here" box). Again read the details though. > >While it's possible to download the Tolkien font (google "Tolkien >Regular"), it is copyrighted, not licensed for redistribution, and the >publisher seems to be defunct so there's no way to license it. > >Note--be careful about _any_ font you use--the ones that come with word >processors and the like are typically not licensed for redistribution, >which includes embedding in a document. I doubt anybody who would do >that is going to notice you and come after you but it can happen. > Very useful information, thank you. I'll send this to Hal too. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2015-09-02 16:47 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <d4ok00Fi4crU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #421774 |
"Dorothy J Heydt" wrote >>Note--be careful about _any_ font you use--the ones that come with word >>processors and the like are typically not licensed for redistribution, >>which includes embedding in a document. I doubt anybody who would do >>that is going to notice you and come after you but it can happen. > Very useful information, thank you. I'll send this to Hal too. These problems were gone over in http://epubzone.org/news/epub-3-font-embedding-and-licensing -- -- Mike D
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| From | Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-09-02 23:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <ms821i$o7s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #421756 |
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >In article <2a585800-b4f1-4f7d-a771-9d775492815c@googlegroups.com>, >Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: [...] >>Then I imported it into calibre and converted it to mobi, epub and azw3 >>formats. I made sure the 'Embed referenced fonts' box was ticked, >>otherwise the fonts wouldn't have been preserved. >> >>The epub and azw3 versions supported your fonts, the mobi version >>didn't. I was kind of expecting that to happen. >> >>Then I copied the azw3 version onto my kindle and it was perfectly >>readable, but ONLY once I'd set the 'Publisher Font' option to ON. > >Thanks for your efforts, and the info! I'm not very sanguine >about going with Kindle anyhow. Old Kindles doesn't do fonts because the mobi format they use was mostly unchanged since 2000, this changed with the Kindle 4 and Kindle Fire which came out in late 2011 and introduced the new AZW3 (or KF8) format. The epub format has included font support since the beginning (2007) but various articles on the net suggests font support on actual reading devices was at best "inconsistent" until 2012, so a similar date. Unfortunately it's not uncommon for dedicated readers to default to ignoring embedded fonts even when it understands them, this can happen even on PC/Mac but is especially common on eInk devices because the eInk screen behaves slightly different and the device maker spent a lot of time to tweak their fonts to look as good as possible on their device. The "problem" is that some publisher now routinely hardcode and embedd all their fonts so the device makers learned to ignore it to avoid decreasing the quality unnecessarily. This hurts products like TIL which actually uses fonts for a reason but it's hard to blame them! Basically, you can expect a dedicated eInk reader 3 years old or newer to be CAPABLE of showing the fonts but there's a decent chance that the reader may need to find and enable publisher fonts. If it's older than that it's anybody's guess. PC/Mac/Linux and tablets (Android/iOS) reader applications "should" support and show your fonts but even here some MAY choose ignore fonts by default, no idea how likely that is. I dislike PDF for many good reason (fixed layout, ligatures, I can go on) but PDF may be the only format where fonts are actually guaranteed to work. I guess you could provide PDF for people who has issues as a safety net. Personally, I will buy it in epub or azw3 format, but not if it's only available in PDF because I read almost exclusively on my eInk reader (Kindle Paperwhite, definitely font-capable). I suspect the people in this group will be able to come up with list of instructions for various devices/readers that you can throw into an introduction section. If we can't, I suspect appealing to the nice people in the MobileRead forums would result in detailed "how to" for pretty much all devices and readers used by significant number of peoples.
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2015-09-03 01:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <nu2vJD.1pxq@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #421857 |
In article <ms821i$o7s$1@dont-email.me>, Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> wrote: >Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >>In article <2a585800-b4f1-4f7d-a771-9d775492815c@googlegroups.com>, >>Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: >[...] >>>Then I imported it into calibre and converted it to mobi, epub and azw3 >>>formats. I made sure the 'Embed referenced fonts' box was ticked, >>>otherwise the fonts wouldn't have been preserved. >>> >>>The epub and azw3 versions supported your fonts, the mobi version >>>didn't. I was kind of expecting that to happen. >>> >>>Then I copied the azw3 version onto my kindle and it was perfectly >>>readable, but ONLY once I'd set the 'Publisher Font' option to ON. >> >>Thanks for your efforts, and the info! I'm not very sanguine >>about going with Kindle anyhow. > >Old Kindles doesn't do fonts because the mobi format they use was >mostly unchanged since 2000, this changed with the Kindle 4 and Kindle >Fire which came out in late 2011 and introduced the new AZW3 (or KF8) >format. > >The epub format has included font support since the beginning (2007) >but various articles on the net suggests font support on actual >reading devices was at best "inconsistent" until 2012, so a similar >date. > >Unfortunately it's not uncommon for dedicated readers to default to >ignoring embedded fonts even when it understands them, this can happen >even on PC/Mac but is especially common on eInk devices because the >eInk screen behaves slightly different and the device maker spent a >lot of time to tweak their fonts to look as good as possible on their >device. > >The "problem" is that some publisher now routinely hardcode and embedd >all their fonts so the device makers learned to ignore it to avoid >decreasing the quality unnecessarily. This hurts products like TIL >which actually uses fonts for a reason but it's hard to blame them! > >Basically, you can expect a dedicated eInk reader 3 years old or newer >to be CAPABLE of showing the fonts but there's a decent chance that >the reader may need to find and enable publisher fonts. If it's older >than that it's anybody's guess. > >PC/Mac/Linux and tablets (Android/iOS) reader applications "should" >support and show your fonts but even here some MAY choose ignore fonts >by default, no idea how likely that is. > >I dislike PDF for many good reason (fixed layout, ligatures, I can go >on) but PDF may be the only format where fonts are actually guaranteed >to work. I guess you could provide PDF for people who has issues as a >safety net. Personally, I will buy it in epub or azw3 format, but not >if it's only available in PDF because I read almost exclusively on my >eInk reader (Kindle Paperwhite, definitely font-capable). > >I suspect the people in this group will be able to come up with list >of instructions for various devices/readers that you can throw into an >introduction section. If we can't, I suspect appealing to the nice >people in the MobileRead forums would result in detailed "how to" for >pretty much all devices and readers used by significant number of >peoples. Thanks. Added to the continually lengthening file of notes. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress. Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
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| From | Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-02 07:03 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Message-ID | <c6f8213b-7570-4682-a300-fe4e90416531@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #421754 |
On Wednesday, 2 September 2015 03:29:33 UTC+1, Moriarty wrote: > On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 9:30:03 AM UTC+10, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > In article <ee866380-8d30-4689-9075-d908803afbf3@googlegroups.com>, > > Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: > > >I've read "The Interior Life" so I know what you're trying to do with > > >the fonts. If you like, e-mail the rtf file to me and I'll convert it > > >to epub and a bunch of other formats and see what it looks like. > > > > > >fifthwave at live dot com dot au > > > > Will do! It's just a couple of paragraphs. I tried to get (from > > the limited fonts on my word processor, most of which are > > sans-serif and look much too much alike); but if you can tell > > there are three fonts, then translate them into whatever you like > > and see if they work. > > Success! I copied the text you sent me into a word doc and used 'Save As' to save it as an htm file, (because that's what calibre told me to do, it didn't want to touch rtf for some reason). > > Then I imported it into calibre and converted it to mobi, epub and azw3 formats. I made sure the 'Embed referenced fonts' box was ticked, otherwise the fonts wouldn't have been preserved. > > The epub and azw3 versions supported your fonts, the mobi version didn't. I was kind of expecting that to happen. > > Then I copied the azw3 version onto my kindle and it was perfectly readable, but ONLY once I'd set the 'Publisher Font' option to ON. > > I've only got a kindle, so can't test the epub version on a nook or kobo or whatnot, but I'd guess it would be easier than the kindle was as that last 'Publisher Font' step probably wouldn't be required. > > If you go ahead with it, I'd suggest you don't use Candara and Times New Roman, they're too similar and the changes are hard to make out. Vijava was fine. Let the record show that I am officially excited.
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