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Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ?

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From djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Subject Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ?
Message-ID <nu2vJD.1pxq@kithrup.com> (permalink)
Date 2015-09-03 01:45 +0000
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In article <ms821i$o7s$1@dont-email.me>,
Torbjorn Lindgren  <tl@none.invalid> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <2a585800-b4f1-4f7d-a771-9d775492815c@googlegroups.com>,
>>Moriarty  <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote:
>[...]
>>>Then I imported it into calibre and converted it to mobi, epub and azw3
>>>formats.  I made sure the 'Embed referenced fonts' box was ticked,
>>>otherwise the fonts wouldn't have been preserved.
>>>
>>>The epub and azw3 versions supported your fonts, the mobi version
>>>didn't.  I was kind of expecting that to happen.
>>>
>>>Then I copied the azw3 version onto my kindle and it was perfectly
>>>readable, but ONLY once I'd set the 'Publisher Font' option to ON.
>>
>>Thanks for your efforts, and the info!  I'm not very sanguine
>>about going with Kindle anyhow.
>
>Old Kindles doesn't do fonts because the mobi format they use was
>mostly unchanged since 2000, this changed with the Kindle 4 and Kindle
>Fire which came out in late 2011 and introduced the new AZW3 (or KF8)
>format.
>
>The epub format has included font support since the beginning (2007)
>but various articles on the net suggests font support on actual
>reading devices was at best "inconsistent" until 2012, so a similar
>date.
>
>Unfortunately it's not uncommon for dedicated readers to default to
>ignoring embedded fonts even when it understands them, this can happen
>even on PC/Mac but is especially common on eInk devices because the
>eInk screen behaves slightly different and the device maker spent a
>lot of time to tweak their fonts to look as good as possible on their
>device.
>
>The "problem" is that some publisher now routinely hardcode and embedd
>all their fonts so the device makers learned to ignore it to avoid
>decreasing the quality unnecessarily. This hurts products like TIL
>which actually uses fonts for a reason but it's hard to blame them!
>
>Basically, you can expect a dedicated eInk reader 3 years old or newer
>to be CAPABLE of showing the fonts but there's a decent chance that
>the reader may need to find and enable publisher fonts. If it's older
>than that it's anybody's guess.
>
>PC/Mac/Linux and tablets (Android/iOS) reader applications "should"
>support and show your fonts but even here some MAY choose ignore fonts
>by default, no idea how likely that is.
>
>I dislike PDF for many good reason (fixed layout, ligatures, I can go
>on) but PDF may be the only format where fonts are actually guaranteed
>to work. I guess you could provide PDF for people who has issues as a
>safety net. Personally, I will buy it in epub or azw3 format, but not
>if it's only available in PDF because I read almost exclusively on my
>eInk reader (Kindle Paperwhite, definitely font-capable).
>
>I suspect the people in this group will be able to come up with list
>of instructions for various devices/readers that you can throw into an
>introduction section. If we can't, I suspect appealing to the nice
>people in the MobileRead forums would result in detailed "how to" for
>pretty much all devices and readers used by significant number of
>peoples.

Thanks.  Added to the continually lengthening file of notes.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.

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