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| From | Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? |
| Date | 2015-09-02 23:51 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <ms821i$o7s$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <puaivu0aeirmfr8or3q64fjkrrdifflsb9@4ax.com> <nu0uH7.1xp1@kithrup.com> <2a585800-b4f1-4f7d-a771-9d775492815c@googlegroups.com> <nu144E.AtG@kithrup.com> |
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote: >In article <2a585800-b4f1-4f7d-a771-9d775492815c@googlegroups.com>, >Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> wrote: [...] >>Then I imported it into calibre and converted it to mobi, epub and azw3 >>formats. I made sure the 'Embed referenced fonts' box was ticked, >>otherwise the fonts wouldn't have been preserved. >> >>The epub and azw3 versions supported your fonts, the mobi version >>didn't. I was kind of expecting that to happen. >> >>Then I copied the azw3 version onto my kindle and it was perfectly >>readable, but ONLY once I'd set the 'Publisher Font' option to ON. > >Thanks for your efforts, and the info! I'm not very sanguine >about going with Kindle anyhow. Old Kindles doesn't do fonts because the mobi format they use was mostly unchanged since 2000, this changed with the Kindle 4 and Kindle Fire which came out in late 2011 and introduced the new AZW3 (or KF8) format. The epub format has included font support since the beginning (2007) but various articles on the net suggests font support on actual reading devices was at best "inconsistent" until 2012, so a similar date. Unfortunately it's not uncommon for dedicated readers to default to ignoring embedded fonts even when it understands them, this can happen even on PC/Mac but is especially common on eInk devices because the eInk screen behaves slightly different and the device maker spent a lot of time to tweak their fonts to look as good as possible on their device. The "problem" is that some publisher now routinely hardcode and embedd all their fonts so the device makers learned to ignore it to avoid decreasing the quality unnecessarily. This hurts products like TIL which actually uses fonts for a reason but it's hard to blame them! Basically, you can expect a dedicated eInk reader 3 years old or newer to be CAPABLE of showing the fonts but there's a decent chance that the reader may need to find and enable publisher fonts. If it's older than that it's anybody's guess. PC/Mac/Linux and tablets (Android/iOS) reader applications "should" support and show your fonts but even here some MAY choose ignore fonts by default, no idea how likely that is. I dislike PDF for many good reason (fixed layout, ligatures, I can go on) but PDF may be the only format where fonts are actually guaranteed to work. I guess you could provide PDF for people who has issues as a safety net. Personally, I will buy it in epub or azw3 format, but not if it's only available in PDF because I read almost exclusively on my eInk reader (Kindle Paperwhite, definitely font-capable). I suspect the people in this group will be able to come up with list of instructions for various devices/readers that you can throw into an introduction section. If we can't, I suspect appealing to the nice people in the MobileRead forums would result in detailed "how to" for pretty much all devices and readers used by significant number of peoples.
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Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-29 01:00 +0100
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Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 12:24 -0700
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Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-31 18:11 +0000
Re: Multiple Fonts for TIL was Re: Complete Collected Stories of [Author] ? "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-31 20:20 +0100
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