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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2016-12-30 11:19 -0800 |
| Last post | 2017-01-01 20:45 -0500 |
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Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 11:19 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 13:13 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 13:20 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-30 21:30 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 15:24 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:25 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:28 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 13:03 +1100
How to travel in time Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-31 02:38 +0000
Re: How to travel in time William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 20:48 -0800
Re: How to travel in time Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 00:02 -0600
Re: How to travel in time Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-01-02 13:02 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:21 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 15:32 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 23:05 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 19:07 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 10:51 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 11:44 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 17:26 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 13:10 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 11:18 -0600
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:48 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 12:03 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 21:07 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 16:25 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-02 10:19 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-03 14:54 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-03 21:18 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-04 16:45 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-03 21:53 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-05 11:38 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-06 11:18 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 16:45 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-05 17:50 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-06 13:29 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:13 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-07 11:57 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 11:34 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-10 09:14 -0800
Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-10 17:12 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-11 22:40 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-01-06 00:37 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:06 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:18 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:24 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:00 -0700
Gutless whining (was Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-01-06 09:50 -0800
Re: Gutless whining (was Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:00 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-01-08 09:11 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2017-01-08 11:55 -0600
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2017-02-04 10:12 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2017-02-06 13:27 +0000
Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-07 21:43 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 16:44 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-31 12:56 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-01 15:07 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:50 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:52 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-31 11:21 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-01-01 16:00 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-01-01 23:20 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-01 19:15 -0500
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:56 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 12:14 +1100
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-10 09:29 -0800
Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-10 14:04 -0500
Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 11:19 -0700
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-11 23:21 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-12 15:11 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-12 08:55 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-12 22:09 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 10:39 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-13 22:37 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 22:41 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 23:00 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 15:25 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-14 10:16 -0800
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 21:28 +0000
Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 23:44 -0800
Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-01 20:45 -0500
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2017-01-11 22:40 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <edmjtaF91jpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #462025 |
On 11/01/2017 4:14 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > You didn't read the foundation of my first post: > > > "i don't want to hear absurd answers like you come back in unproven > paralell universes > where your father and grandfather still exist... Only equally unproven universes where your proof works, then. That seems unreasonably selective. And rather pointless. Sylvia.
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2017-01-06 00:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o4nl04$4uo$1@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #461681 |
On 2017-01-05 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Sylvia Else wrote: >> >> On 6/01/2017 6:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >> >>> >>> how about the time traveler goes back a day and buys a lottery ticket >>> that pays 500 million dollars, goes back to the future and deposits >>> the money, goes back again, plays the same numbers, goes back and >>> deposits another 500 million, goes back again, plays the same >>> numbers, goes back and deposits another 500 million, >>> >>> >>> i'm having trouble figuring out where is all this money coming >>> from... are the serial numbers the same? are the lottery officals >>> wondering why are there all these paid checks made out to the same >>> person shows paid over billion dollars but only 500 million paid >>> out.. >>> >>> something is wrong with your 'possible time travel senerios'. >>> >>> Nature doesn't work this way. >> >> Well, we don't know how it works (if it works) in the context of time >> travel. >> >> In a version of the universe where a time traveller returns to a new >> branch of history each time he travels back and forward, he'd find that >> he only ever managed to accumulate one payout, because he never returns >> to the version of history in which he'd previously deposited a payout. >> >> He might even find that the winning numbers change in each new future >> (butterfly effect), making his lottery tickets worthless. >> >> Sylvia. > > > What? > > I'll reiterate... > > he travels back in time to > Dec. 30th 2016 > buys a lottery ticket > numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 > wins and gets a check for 500 million.. > deposits the check.. > > he goes back in time to > Dec. 30th 2016 > buys a lottery ticket > numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 > wins and gets a check for 500 million.. > deposits the check.. And at that point there are two winning tickets in the time stream, so each gets 250 million, reducing his first payout to that figure. He still gets 500 million total. > > he goes back in time to > Dec. 30th 2016 > buys a lottery ticket > numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 > wins and gets a check for 500 million.. > deposits the check.. > Now three winning tickets which each get 166.666 million. > he goes back in time to > Dec. 30th 2016 > buys a lottery ticket > numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 > wins and gets a check for 500 million.. > deposits the check.. Now four that each get 125 million > > He's got two billion dollars now in the bank. > > > he goes back in time to > Dec. 30th 2016 .... >
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-06 09:06 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <586FCEAF.12BE@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #461711 |
Alan Baker wrote: > > On 2017-01-05 5:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Sylvia Else wrote: > >> > >> On 6/01/2017 6:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> how about the time traveler goes back a day and buys a lottery ticket > >>> that pays 500 million dollars, goes back to the future and deposits > >>> the money, goes back again, plays the same numbers, goes back and > >>> deposits another 500 million, goes back again, plays the same > >>> numbers, goes back and deposits another 500 million, > >>> > >>> > >>> i'm having trouble figuring out where is all this money coming > >>> from... are the serial numbers the same? are the lottery officals > >>> wondering why are there all these paid checks made out to the same > >>> person shows paid over billion dollars but only 500 million paid > >>> out.. > >>> > >>> something is wrong with your 'possible time travel senerios'. > >>> > >>> Nature doesn't work this way. > >> > >> Well, we don't know how it works (if it works) in the context of time > >> travel. > >> > >> In a version of the universe where a time traveller returns to a new > >> branch of history each time he travels back and forward, he'd find that > >> he only ever managed to accumulate one payout, because he never returns > >> to the version of history in which he'd previously deposited a payout. > >> > >> He might even find that the winning numbers change in each new future > >> (butterfly effect), making his lottery tickets worthless. > >> > >> Sylvia. > > > > > > What? > > > > I'll reiterate... > > > > he travels back in time to > > Dec. 30th 2016 > > buys a lottery ticket > > numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 > > wins and gets a check for 500 million.. > > deposits the check.. > > > > he goes back in time to > > Dec. 30th 2016 > > buys a lottery ticket > > numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 > > wins and gets a check for 500 million.. > > deposits the check.. > > And at that point there are two winning tickets in the time stream, so > each gets 250 million, reducing his first payout to that figure. What do you mean two winning tickets???? History shows only one person picked the winning ticket.
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-06 09:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6F55EB9C29A0taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #461711 |
Alan Baker:
Do you agree that riots occured, leading to hundreds of arrests,
during the protests over Trump's election?
*One* answer, not
yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no
/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/n
o/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/
no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/
like you've been doing.
We both (and everyone else) know you *can't* answer once, and stick
with it, since the answer is "Yes, Clinton supporters are far more
prone to criminal violence than Trump supporters or Obama haters."
And you *can't* accept that, due to your illness.
Get help, Alan. Seriously. Before you hurt yourself. You're not
interacting with the world around you any more.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-06 09:24 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <586FD2BD.2771@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #461735 |
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: > > Alan Baker: > > Do you agree that riots occured, leading to hundreds of arrests, > during the protests over Trump's election? > > *One* answer, not > > yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no > /yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/n > o/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/ > no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/ > > like you've been doing. > > We both (and everyone else) know you *can't* answer once, and stick > with it, since the answer is "Yes, Clinton supporters are far more > prone to criminal violence than Trump supporters or Obama haters." > And you *can't* accept that, due to your illness. > > Get help, Alan. Seriously. Before you hurt yourself. You're not > interacting with the world around you any more. > > -- > Terry Austin > > Vacation photos from Iceland: > https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB > > "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." > -- David Bilek > > Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. I don't allow 'internet bullies' on my threads. Go to Canada...with the rest of the sissies.
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-06 10:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6F565D626ACBtaustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #461736 |
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:586FD2BD.2771@ix.netcom.com:
> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>>
>> Alan Baker:
>>
>> Do you agree that riots occured, leading to hundreds of
>> arrests, during the protests over Trump's election?
>>
>> *One* answer, not
>>
>> yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/y
>> es/no
>> /yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/
>> yes/n
>> o/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no
>> /yes/ no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/
>>
>> like you've been doing.
>>
>> We both (and everyone else) know you *can't* answer once, and
>> stick with it, since the answer is "Yes, Clinton supporters are
>> far more prone to criminal violence than Trump supporters or
>> Obama haters." And you *can't* accept that, due to your
>> illness.
>>
>> Get help, Alan. Seriously. Before you hurt yourself. You're not
>> interacting with the world around you any more.
>>
>> --
>> Terry Austin
>>
>> Vacation photos from Iceland:
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
>>
>> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>> -- David Bilek
>>
>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
>
> I don't allow 'internet bullies' on my threads.
Good thing this isn't your thread, nor is any other, and that
you're a helpless pussy (though not as mentally ill as Alan).
>
>
> Go to Canada...with the rest of the sissies.
>
Make me, pussy.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2017-01-06 09:50 -0800 |
| Subject | Gutless whining (was Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible |
| Message-ID | <o4ole4$tf7$4@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #461735 |
On 2017-01-06 8:18 AM, Gutless whined
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-06 10:00 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Gutless whining (was Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6F565DD99C14taustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #461739 |
Alan Baker:
Do you agree that riots occured, leading to hundreds of arrests,
during the protests over Trump's election?
*One* answer, not
yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no
/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/n
o/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/
no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/
like you've been doing.
We both (and everyone else) know you *can't* answer once, and stick
with it, since the answer is "Yes, Clinton supporters are far more
prone to criminal violence than Trump supporters or Obama haters."
And you *can't* accept that, due to your illness.
Get help, Alan. Seriously. Before you hurt yourself. You're not
interacting with the world around you any more.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
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| Date | 2017-01-08 09:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <edf6lgFek9oU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #461711 |
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: >> he goes back in time to >> Dec. 30th 2016 >> buys a lottery ticket >> numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 >> wins and gets a check for 500 million.. >> deposits the check.. > >Now four that each get 125 million I liked that part of Bruce Almighty where he auto-grants everyone's wish, and the grand payout on the lottery was something like $17 each. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| From | Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-08 11:55 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6F7837D9EDE2melchizedek@216.166.97.131> |
| In reply to | #461902 |
Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote in news:edf6lgFek9oU1@mid.individual.net: > Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > >>> he goes back in time to >>> Dec. 30th 2016 >>> buys a lottery ticket >>> numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 >>> wins and gets a check for 500 million.. >>> deposits the check.. >> >>Now four that each get 125 million > > I liked that part of Bruce Almighty where he auto-grants everyone's > wish, and the grand payout on the lottery was something like $17 each. We actually see this in Powerball jackpots - once it goes past a certain point, individual jackpots become rare. So many people who normally don't buy tickets do so, that the big prize gets split between multiple winners. There's presumably some sweet spot where the winner's take is maximized. pt
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2017-02-04 10:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o74r11$4ug$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #461902 |
In article <edf6lgFek9oU1@mid.individual.net>, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> said: > I liked that part of Bruce Almighty where he auto-grants > everyone's wish, and the grand payout on the lottery was > something like $17 each. I've heard people joke about what might happen if the Massachusetts state lottery's daily three-digit numbers game drew 317 on St. Patrick's Day. (Because, you know, Boston Irish.) -- wds
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| From | nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) |
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| Date | 2017-02-06 13:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o79tka$4ph$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #464217 |
William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> wrote: > In article <edf6lgFek9oU1@mid.individual.net>, > Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> said: > >> I liked that part of Bruce Almighty where he auto-grants >> everyone's wish, and the grand payout on the lottery was >> something like $17 each. > > I've heard people joke about what might happen if the > Massachusetts state lottery's daily three-digit numbers > game drew 317 on St. Patrick's Day. > > (Because, you know, Boston Irish.) There was something similar that happened...hang on <google>. Ok, smaller scale - the Pick 3 Numbers for the Ohio Lottery on Jan 11, 2005 were 111, forcing the lottery to pay out more than $3.9million to winners despite bringing in only $427,094.50 in sales. I'm guessing 317 in Mass on March 17 would be an order of magnitude worse. Tony
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| From | Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2017-01-07 21:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <7h637cpkv2vflpkf2k1n9d615k7h85vcs9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #461671 |
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:18:18 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote: >On 6/01/2017 6:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >> >> how about the time traveler goes back a day and buys a lottery ticket >> that pays 500 million dollars, goes back to the future and deposits >> the money, goes back again, plays the same numbers, goes back and >> deposits another 500 million, goes back again, plays the same >> numbers, goes back and deposits another 500 million, >> One way to make it consistent is to notice that when he goes back the second time, there will be two of him coming for the lottery payout (from his first and second trips back). Like Sylvia said, he is by definition, in a different "timeline." Most solvent lotteries won't pay the same guy twice - lol. If, on his second trip back (second self), he's first at the payout window and moves the $500 mil to the future, then his first self got/gets "stiffed" (doesn't get paid). His second self arrives back in the future with the second $500 mil but there is no $500 mil from his first self's previous trip (because he has stiffed his first self back in the past). The only thing I don't like is that it requires the original $500 mil to disappear when he arrives back from the second trip back. But I can argue the two trips back are to two different "timelines" and the present is also a different "timeline." Previously, my philosophy/theory has always been that changes made in the past cannot affect the future but I did not cover the case where you take an object from the past and introduce it into the present. I can argue that the object (e.g. $500 mil) added to your present bank account is a change made in the present and not in the past. It may now affect the present. The addition of the $500 mil to the present affects the present, but the removal of the $500 mil from the past will only affect the past if you stay in the past. It doesn't affect the present once you return. This a problem with time travel backward. If it can affect the present, that requires things in the present to move around quickly to accomplish said changes prior to your arrival back in the present. In the limit of a quick time travel trip (actual time spent traveling and not the duration of your stay in the past) when you return to the present, any changes you expect could require massive objects to move much faster than light. Regardless of how long it takes you to travel to the past (and back), requiring changes you make in the past to take effect in the present could easily require massive objects in the present to move much faster than light in order to meet this requirement. Possibly a sort of "Time Quake" (ala the movie "Millennium") could spread the required changes in the present over more time and reduce the velocity requirement to below light speed. you would arrive back in the present and have to wait a while for the changes to fully take effect. Mike See you at the show trials - lol. --------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA ---------------------------------------------------
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-05 16:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6F4AA4F59941taustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #461623 |
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:586EA0AD.16BE@ix.netcom.com:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> >
>> > On 4/01/2017 4:18 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> > > Sylvia Else wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> On 3/01/2017 5:19 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> > >>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On 2/01/2017 4:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>> The Earth has been hit by large objects in the past,
>> > >>>>>> causing mass extinctions.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Oh oh, here comes the "What happen to the dinosaurs?"
>> > >>>>> theories...i thought you had more intelligence thab
>> > >>>>> that...i guess I over estimated you...you are a girl.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that such a
>> > >>>>>> thing could happen again, and be severe enough to wipe
>> > >>>>>> out the human race.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> every single person, right?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Why not?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> You never heard of...survive?
>> > >>
>> > >> In an episode of "Dinosaurs" a school teacher explained
>> > >> that there will always be more of an endangered animal
>> > >> species, because that's what "more" means.
>> > >>
>> > >> Is that your manner of thinking here?
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Your logic says there are no time travlers because the
>> > >>> comet killed them.
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> No it's doesn't, and I'm having a hard time understanding
>> > >> why you've got this so muddled.
>> > >>
>> > >> The point at issue is not whether there are no time
>> > >> travellers for this reason, nor even whether time travel
>> > >> is possible. The focus is on whether your purported proof
>> > >> of the absence of time travel is valid.
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm offering alternative scenarios that explain the
>> > >> absence of time travellers even if time travel is
>> > >> possible. These possible, even if unlikely, scenarios
>> > >> invalidate your proof which depends on the impossibility
>> > >> of time travel being the only possible explanation for the
>> > >> absence of time travellers.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sylvia.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Maybe your problem is...with the words..."not possible",
>> > > and you use...'it is possible'.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Your "alternative scenarios" are based on...probability.
>> > > And, "probability" is a math term, and math is not science.
>> > >
>> > > Math is not reality.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not interested in...probabilities.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I think you just don't want to concede that your proof
>> > doesn't work.
>> >
>> > Sylvia.
>>
>> Let me explain why a comet will never wipe out
>> cilivatization...
>>
>> Probability is the possibility that an event will occur, as
>> expressed by the ratio of the number of actual occurrences to
>> the total number of possible occurrences.
>>
>> Since a comet has never wiped out civilization on earth, there
>> is no actual occurrence by ratio, no two amounts, or even one
>> amount.
>>
>> It is "an improbable event". A comet will never wipe out
>> civilatization because it is impossible.
>>
>> Therefore, any time travelers in the future would be here now
>> buying lottery tickets and betting at the racetrack.
>>
>> Time Travel Is Not Possible and it's Impossible.
>>
>> That is not how the world and the universe works.
>>
>> Nature is not going to go to all this trouble and then wipe out
>> civilazation with a comet. It's not in the works..
>
>
>
> okay, maybe the time traveler killing his grandfather is a
> little too much..
>
> how about the time traveler goes back a day and buys a lottery
> ticket that pays 500 million dollars, goes back to the future
> and deposits the money, goes back again, plays the same numbers,
> goes back and deposits another 500 million, goes back again,
> plays the same numbers, goes back and deposits another 500
> million,
>
>
> i'm having trouble figuring out where is all this money coming
> from... are the serial numbers the same? are the lottery
> officals wondering why are there all these paid checks made out
> to the same person shows paid over billion dollars but only 500
> million paid out..
>
> something is wrong with your 'possible time travel senerios'.
>
> Nature doesn't work this way.
Neither do lotteries, since the payout is divided amongst all the
winning tickest.
How fucking pathetic do you have to be to not understand that?
Retard.
--
Terry Austin
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https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2016-12-31 12:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o48rfs$q8u$1@panix3.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #461257 |
In article <ecoqnjFu4jgU1@mid.individual.net>, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> said: > On 31/12/2016 3:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >> I would say by now somebody in the far future would be here >> now... > > That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time > traveller from the far future has come here is that there is no > far future from which to come - civilisation wipes itself out - > humans become extinct due to natural disaster, etc. Or, even for them time travel has a resource cost which becomes, let's say, exponentially prohibitive the farther back you want to go. If it's the year 5000 and you want to go to 4900, okay, we got the budget for that. Back to the year 4000? This better be *real* important. The year 2000? Yeah, right, let me know when we can tap the full energy of twenty-six galaxies in one Planck second. (There's also of course the two-ends-of-a-wormhole model of time travel that uses a permanent, stationary-in-space installation, and by definition you can only go as far back as the moment that the system was first brought online. If nobody's built and activated one of those yet, there's no way they can get back in time to us.) -- wds
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| From | "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 15:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ecsk8iFretqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #461257 |
"Sylvia Else" wrote >> I would say by now somebody in the far future would be here now... > That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time traveller from the far future has come here is that there is no far future from which to come - civilisation wipes itself out - humans become extinct due to natural disaster, etc. Or if time travel can only occur through 'time tunnels' constructed forwards, there can be no travel to an earlier date than the first tunnel. -- Mike D
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 16:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5869A3D4.301B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #461368 |
Yuri Kretin wrote: > > On 1/1/2017 9:47 AM, Tiffany Wuest wrote: > > Michael R N Dolbear wrote: > > > > > >> "Sylvia Else" wrote > >> > >>>> I would say by now somebody in the far future would be here now... > >> > >>> That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time traveller > >>> from > >> the far future has come here is that there is no far future from which > >> to come - civilisation wipes itself out - humans become extinct due to > >> natural disaster, etc. > >> > >> Or if time travel can only occur through 'time tunnels' constructed > >> forwards, there can be no travel to an earlier date than the first > >> tunnel. --Mike D > > > > Absolutely incorrect, Mike D. The obvious reason is my Divergent Matter > > Model, DMM. Time travel is totally nonsense. It also comes implicitly from > > Einsine, since he also realized at the end of his carrier, that Time does > > not really exists. > > if Time dosent exist, what makes the second hand on a clock go round ? That's like asking what makes the shadow go round on a sunclock..
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 16:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5869A439.722B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #461368 |
Yuri Kretin wrote: > > On 1/1/2017 10:52 AM, Ned Latham wrote: > > Yuri Kretin wrote: > >> Tiffany Wuest wrote: > >>> Michael R N Dolbear wrote: > > > > > > >> what makes the second hand on a clock go round ? > > > > The spring. > > > > You weren't thinking that time actually *does* stuff, were you? > > > > Geeeeeezuz > > > > yes, > > it takes "Time" for you to type those letters, doesnt it ? There are lots of keyboards around and i don't see "Time" typing any letters on it...
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| From | Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-31 11:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <kuidnce5iLDLmPXFnZ2dnUU7-WXNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #461193 |
"The Starmaker" wrote in message news:5866B352.6F63@ix.netcom.com... lets say you travel back in time in a time machine and your time machine lands on your grandfather and kills him... >>> snip <<< *** I want to travel back in time, so that I can get back my girlfriend, my dog and my pickem-up truck ... noTroll's mother also wants to take that trip back to that critical juncture where this time she would administer a BJ ... though disgusting as that alternative may be.
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-01 16:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <126a0cb2-5d86-41ac-8137-a6ad172a2bef@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #461319 |
On Saturday, December 31, 2016 at 2:22:06 PM UTC-5, Hägar wrote: > "The Starmaker" wrote in message news:5866B352.6F63@ix.netcom.com... > > lets say > you travel back in time > in a time machine and your > time machine lands on your > grandfather and kills him... > > >>> snip <<< > > > *** I want to travel back in time, so that I can > get back my girlfriend, my dog and my pickem-up > truck ... > Just play a sad country 45 rpm record backwards. :) Kevin R
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