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Common morals/subtexts

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First post2018-03-02 11:31 -0800
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  Common morals/subtexts mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-02 11:31 -0800
    Re: Common morals/subtexts Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-02 13:44 -0800
      Re: Common morals/subtexts Elaine T <efthomp_99@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-02 15:06 -0800
      Re: Common morals/subtexts djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-03 00:15 +0000
        Re: Common morals/subtexts Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-04 07:24 -0800
      Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 22:27 -0500
        Re: Common morals/subtexts "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 16:00 -0600
          Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 17:36 -0500
            Re: Common morals/subtexts "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 18:32 -0600
            Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-04 01:30 -0500
              Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 03:16 -0500
                Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-05 22:11 -0500
                  Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 06:52 -0500
                    Re: Common morals/subtexts Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-06 10:04 -0800
                      Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:16 -0500
                    Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-07 23:11 -0500
                      Re: Common morals/subtexts "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 10:44 -0600
                        Re: Common morals/subtexts "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 11:36 -0600
                      Re: Common morals/subtexts David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-03-14 14:46 -0500
                        Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 22:21 -0400
                          Re: Common morals/subtexts Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-15 15:08 -0700
                        Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-18 19:17 -0400
                          Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-18 19:25 -0400
                            Re: Common morals/subtexts "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 18:24 -0500
                              Re: Common morals/subtexts Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 00:45 -0400
                          Re: Common morals/subtexts goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2018-03-20 03:56 +0000
                            Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 05:43 +0000
                            Re: Common morals/subtexts Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-20 14:12 -0700
                          Re: Common morals/subtexts David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-19 23:51 -0600
                            Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-20 19:16 -0400
                            Re: Common morals/subtexts D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-22 16:19 +0000
                              Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-22 12:16 -0700
                                Re: Common morals/subtexts D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-22 20:13 +0000
                                Re: Common morals/subtexts Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-23 07:21 -0600
                                Re: Common morals/subtexts David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 03:20 -0500
                              Re: Common morals/subtexts Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 13:17 -0700
                                Re: Common morals/subtexts Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-23 23:05 -0600
                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 05:27 +0000
                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 01:49 -0400
                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2018-03-24 10:45 +0000
                                    Re: Common morals/subtexts Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-25 13:21 -0600
                                      Re: Common morals/subtexts Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2018-03-25 20:27 +0100
                                      Re: Common morals/subtexts Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-25 12:45 -0700
                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 08:37 -0400
                                    Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-24 12:16 -0700
                          Re: Common morals/subtexts David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-03-21 04:47 -0500
                            Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 07:21 -0400
                              Re: Common morals/subtexts mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-21 13:16 -0700
                                Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 18:57 -0400
                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 16:14 -0700
                                    Re: Common morals/subtexts William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 12:10 -0700
                                      Re: Common morals/subtexts Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 13:10 -0700
                                      Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 22:37 -0400
                                        Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 04:05 +0000
                                          Re: Common morals/subtexts William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 22:54 -0700
                                            Re: Common morals/subtexts Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 08:57 -0700
                                              Re: Common morals/subtexts Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 13:59 -0500
                                                Re: Common morals/subtexts William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 13:01 -0700
                                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 20:09 +0000
                                                    Re: Common morals/subtexts Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 15:13 -0700
                                                    Re: Common morals/subtexts Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-24 16:40 -0700
                                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 15:11 -0700
                                                Re: Common morals/subtexts Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 15:09 -0700
                                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 18:43 -0500
                                                    Re: Common morals/subtexts William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 18:03 -0700
                                                      Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-23 18:40 -0700
                                                      Re: Common morals/subtexts Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 23:30 -0400
                                                        Re: Common morals/subtexts David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 03:29 -0500
                                                          Re: Common morals/subtexts Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-02 08:27 -0700
                                                      Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 05:17 +0000
                                                        Re: Common morals/subtexts William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 22:30 -0700
                                                          Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 08:39 -0400
                                                          Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 19:24 +0000
                                                            Re: Common morals/subtexts William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 13:15 -0700
                                                              Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 01:22 +0000
                                                                Re: Common morals/subtexts ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-25 03:12 +0000
                                                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 04:07 +0000
                                                                    Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-25 21:09 -0700
                                                                      Re: Common morals/subtexts ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 04:13 +0000
                                                                        Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-25 21:57 -0700
                                                                          Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 05:05 +0000
                                                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-25 13:21 -0600
                                                                    Re: Common morals/subtexts David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 03:32 -0500
                                                              Re: Common morals/subtexts Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2018-03-25 15:46 -0700
                                                          Re: Common morals/subtexts David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 03:30 -0500
                                                    Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 05:16 +0000
                                                      Re: Common morals/subtexts Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 19:21 -0500
                                                        Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 02:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Common morals/subtexts Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 21:40 -0500
                                                            Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 06:13 +0000
                              Re: Common morals/subtexts Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-22 10:02 -0700
                                Re: Common morals/subtexts Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-22 15:43 -0700
                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 16:12 -0700
                                Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 22:38 -0400
                                  Re: Common morals/subtexts Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 08:58 -0700
                            Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-21 18:40 -0400
                              Re: Common morals/subtexts David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 03:18 -0500
                                Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-04-04 20:10 -0400
                            Re: Common morals/subtexts Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-21 21:07 -0600
                      Re: Common morals/subtexts "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-19 19:06 +0000
                    Re: Common morals/subtexts David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-03-14 14:41 -0500
                      Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 22:22 -0400
                        Re: Common morals/subtexts Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-16 06:26 -0700
                          Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-16 22:15 -0400
                            Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-18 19:19 -0400
                      Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-18 19:17 -0400
                    Re: Common morals/subtexts Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 13:00 -0700
              Re: Common morals/subtexts Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-04 07:06 -0800
        Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-04 11:31 -0800
          Re: Common morals/subtexts Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-04 12:53 -0800
            Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-04 14:22 -0800
              Re: Common morals/subtexts Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-05 17:48 -0800
          Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 16:52 -0500
            Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-04 21:32 -0800
              Re: Common morals/subtexts Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:23 -0600
          Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-05 22:15 -0500
            Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-05 20:02 -0800
              Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 07:03 -0500
                Re: Common morals/subtexts hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 05:13 -0800
                  Re: Common morals/subtexts larry <ljmoore@wightman.ca> - 2018-04-07 21:35 +0000
                    Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 18:01 -0400
                      Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-07 15:54 -0700
                        Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 19:15 -0400
                          Re: Common morals/subtexts Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-07 16:31 -0700
                            Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 19:40 -0400
                              Re: Common morals/subtexts David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-07 20:24 -0500
                                Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 21:42 -0400
                                Re: Common morals/subtexts Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 10:32 -0500
                              Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 01:53 +0000
                          Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-07 16:57 -0700
                            Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 21:05 -0400
                          Re: Common morals/subtexts Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 01:52 +0000
                      Re: Common morals/subtexts Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-04-07 16:20 -0700
                        Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 19:43 -0400
                Re: Common morals/subtexts Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-06 09:17 -0800
                  Re: Common morals/subtexts jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) - 2018-03-06 17:18 +0000
                    Re: Common morals/subtexts Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-06 13:21 -0800
                  Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:18 -0500
                Re: Common morals/subtexts David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-07 16:34 -0600
              Re: Common morals/subtexts William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 12:26 -0800
            Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 06:54 -0500
              Re: Common morals/subtexts "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2018-03-07 01:14 +1100
                Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:20 -0500
                  Re: Common morals/subtexts "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2018-03-07 15:28 +1100
                    Re: Common morals/subtexts J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 00:19 -0500
              Re: Common morals/subtexts Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-06 13:23 -0800
      Re: Common morals/subtexts mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-02 22:39 -0800
    Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-02 17:53 -0500
      Re: Common morals/subtexts mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-03 06:05 -0800
        Re: Common morals/subtexts "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-03 09:50 -0500
      Re: Common morals/subtexts Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 22:35 +0200
    Common morals/subtexts Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 16:31 -0800
      Re: Common morals/subtexts djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-03 01:22 +0000

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#488577

FromRobert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com>
Date2018-03-15 15:08 -0700
Message-ID<21a00330-bb8a-4cc3-91f5-c8316e7da02f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#488527
On Thursday, 15 March 2018 02:21:42 UTC, J. Clarke  wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 14:46:57 -0500, David DeLaney
> <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> >On 2018-03-08, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >> On 3/6/18 6:52 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>> So what do you do for a living?
> >>
> >> 	R&D Coordinator at a small company. This mostly entails writing grant 
> >> proposals and, if they're won, overseeing the work and writing the 
> >> reports and such.If new innovations are sufficiently interesting, I 
> >> usually write the patents (at least the first version thereof before a 
> >> lawyer goes through and writes the detailed claims).
> >
> >Huh. I did not know that.
> >
> >> 	And of course I write SF/F.
> >
> >And have written other things including an RPG supplement in the past.
> >
> >>> I'm sorry, but nothing one does in a classroom is a "job" in my
> >>> opinion.
> >
> >> 	Then your opinion is barely worth the electrons spent to transmit it. 
> >
> >Agreed. Teachers have a job that, from observation, J. Clarke has not been
> >doing on this newsgroup. Don't know whether that means he can't ... but he
> >_doesn't_ use teacher skills in his arguments here.
> 
> "Teacher skills"?  You mean playing word games with smartasses?  I'm
> sorry, but my students generally came to my classes wanting to learn,
> I didn't have to play word games with them, I just had to convey the
> material they needed.
> 
> A friend of mine is a PhD educator.  He has massive "teacher skills".
> Having a conversation with him is a minefield.  But he can't actually
> _do_ much of anything except confuse people with word games.
> 
> >> It's not only a job, it's a very demanding job.
> >
> >This here. Can you read this newsgroup? THANK A WHOLE BUNCH OF TEACHERS.
> 
> What do a whole bunch of teachers have to do with it?
> 
> >>    I have taught at several levels, been paid for it, I agree
> >>> that there is a certain amount of effort involved, but compared to the
> >>> kind of work where you have a concrete result to produce at the end of
> >>> the day, it is not the same as working in a business.
> >>
> >> 	Most businesses aren't producing anything nearly as important and a lot 
> >> of them these days aren't producing anything concrete.
> >
> >... if he has that attitude, I'm not certain I'd want to take classes from him.
> 
> Most of my students were quite happy.  So were many of their
> employers.

It still sounds like your approach is, "What you can't teach, do."

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#488686

From"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com>
Date2018-03-18 19:17 -0400
Message-ID<p8ms24$u9q$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#488495
On 3/14/18 3:46 PM, David DeLaney wrote:
> On 2018-03-08, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 3/6/18 6:52 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> So what do you do for a living?
>>
>> 	R&D Coordinator at a small company. This mostly entails writing grant
>> proposals and, if they're won, overseeing the work and writing the
>> reports and such.If new innovations are sufficiently interesting, I
>> usually write the patents (at least the first version thereof before a
>> lawyer goes through and writes the detailed claims).
>
> Huh. I did not know that.

	And thus it's not as surprising that someone might ask it!

	Writing fiction or RPG stuff doesn't pay the rent. It sometimes pays 
for vacations, or repairs.

>
>> 	And of course I write SF/F.
>
> And have written other things including an RPG supplement in the past.

	Which, alas, never got published.

>
>>> I'm sorry, but nothing one does in a classroom is a "job" in my
>>> opinion.
>
>> 	Then your opinion is barely worth the electrons spent to transmit it.
>
> Agreed. Teachers have a job that, from observation, J. Clarke has not been
> doing on this newsgroup. Don't know whether that means he can't ... but he
> _doesn't_ use teacher skills in his arguments here.
>
>> It's not only a job, it's a very demanding job.
>
> This here. Can you read this newsgroup? THANK A WHOLE BUNCH OF TEACHERS.


	Depends on the person. No teacher in  school showed me how to read. 
That was my mother who started me, and I did the rest.




-- 
                      Sea Wasp
                        /^\
                        ;;;	
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com  Blog: 
http://seawasp.dreamwidth.org

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#488689

FromJ. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-18 19:25 -0400
Message-ID<f1ttaddcjdhihc771kpdo4p9pi0gdsd8s2@4ax.com>
In reply to#488686
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:17:24 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
<seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:

>On 3/14/18 3:46 PM, David DeLaney wrote:
>> On 2018-03-08, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/6/18 6:52 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> So what do you do for a living?
>>>
>>> 	R&D Coordinator at a small company. This mostly entails writing grant
>>> proposals and, if they're won, overseeing the work and writing the
>>> reports and such.If new innovations are sufficiently interesting, I
>>> usually write the patents (at least the first version thereof before a
>>> lawyer goes through and writes the detailed claims).
>>
>> Huh. I did not know that.
>
>	And thus it's not as surprising that someone might ask it!
>
>	Writing fiction or RPG stuff doesn't pay the rent. It sometimes pays 
>for vacations, or repairs.
>
>>
>>> 	And of course I write SF/F.
>>
>> And have written other things including an RPG supplement in the past.
>
>	Which, alas, never got published.
>
>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but nothing one does in a classroom is a "job" in my
>>>> opinion.
>>
>>> 	Then your opinion is barely worth the electrons spent to transmit it.
>>
>> Agreed. Teachers have a job that, from observation, J. Clarke has not been
>> doing on this newsgroup. Don't know whether that means he can't ... but he
>> _doesn't_ use teacher skills in his arguments here.
>>
>>> It's not only a job, it's a very demanding job.
>>
>> This here. Can you read this newsgroup? THANK A WHOLE BUNCH OF TEACHERS.
>
>
>	Depends on the person. No teacher in  school showed me how to read. 
>That was my mother who started me, and I did the rest.

My parents thought that the schools were supposed to do all of that
sort of thing.  I wasn't allowed to touch books until I started school
(note--my parents were not readers--I think my mother read two books
in 20 years while my father tended to be a look-at-the-pictures type,
which is surprising given that he was a senior naval officer).

The school did a fair job of teaching me to read, a not quite so good
job of teaching me arithmetic, and after that it went downhill.

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#488780

From"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-20 18:24 -0500
Message-ID<p8s577$mo2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#488689
On 2018-03-18 18:25, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:17:24 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
> <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:

>> 	Depends on the person. No teacher in  school showed me how to read.
>> That was my mother who started me, and I did the rest.
> 
> My parents thought that the schools were supposed to do all of that
> sort of thing.  I wasn't allowed to touch books until I started school

I seem to recall that there was (in the '30s or '40s or '50s) an effort
in that direction. Some book that I read when very young, possibly _To
Kill a Mockingbird_, included a parent who'd been harassed for letting
one of his/her kids learn to read before starting school.

-- 
Michael F. Stemper
Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else.

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#488794

FromLawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-21 00:45 -0400
Message-ID<5bo3bdliuaqssian21fklpnd8342m3qasl@reader80.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#488780
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:24:15 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
<michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2018-03-18 18:25, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:17:24 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
>> <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>> 	Depends on the person. No teacher in  school showed me how to read.
>>> That was my mother who started me, and I did the rest.
>> 
>> My parents thought that the schools were supposed to do all of that
>> sort of thing.  I wasn't allowed to touch books until I started school
>
>I seem to recall that there was (in the '30s or '40s or '50s) an effort
>in that direction. Some book that I read when very young, possibly _To
>Kill a Mockingbird_, included a parent who'd been harassed for letting
>one of his/her kids learn to read before starting school.

The consensus on that kept changing, well into the 1960s, and I
believe there was some local variation, as well.

I don't remember all of us, but my siblings and I pretty much all
learned to read by different methods and on different schedules.  I
remember my parents told me they wouldn't teach me because it would
cause trouble when I started school, but then in kindergarten we
learned the alphabet, and the teacher wrote the lyrics of a song on
the blackboard (and since in theory none of us could read, I don't
know why she bothered), and the correlation between letter and sound
clicked into place for me, and a month later I was reading everything
I could get my hands on.

My next younger sister taught herself to read when she was about four.
Then a couple of years later she and I taught our youngest sister
because she was constantly asking us to read stuff to her and we
wanted her to shut up and leave us alone, and our parents were
steadfastly refused to teach her because the schools said not to.

That youngest sister was born early in 1961, and I think we taught her
to read late in 1964.  Might have been '65.



-- 
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
My latest novel is Stone Unturned:  A Legend of Ethshar.
See http://www.ethshar.com/StoneUnturned.shtml

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#488733

Fromgoldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Date2018-03-20 03:56 +0000
Message-ID<p5vExE.Iwz@kithrup.com>
In reply to#488686
In article <p8ms24$u9q$2@dont-email.me>,
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> This here. Can you read this newsgroup? THANK A WHOLE BUNCH OF TEACHERS.
>
>	Depends on the person. No teacher in  school showed me how to read. 
>That was my mother who started me, and I did the rest.

I didn't learn to read in school either. On the other hand, if Usenet
had posts only by people who taught themselves to read, I suspect that
volume would be even lower than it is now.

-- 
   David Goldfarb          |"Bagels can be an enormous force for good or
goldfarbdj@gmail.com       | for evil. It is up to us to decide how we
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  | will use them."
                           |              -- Daniel M. Pinkwater

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#488738

FromNinapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-20 05:43 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA8AAE725B2C3Ftaustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#488733
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) wrote in
news:p5vExE.Iwz@kithrup.com: 

> In article <p8ms24$u9q$2@dont-email.me>,
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> This here. Can you read this newsgroup? THANK A WHOLE BUNCH OF
>>> TEACHERS. 
>>
>>     Depends on the person. No teacher in  school showed me how
>>     to read. 
>>That was my mother who started me, and I did the rest.
> 
> I didn't learn to read in school either. On the other hand, if
> Usenet had posts only by people who taught themselves to read, I
> suspect that volume would be even lower than it is now.
> 
Probably more coherent, though.

-- 
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#488763

FromRobert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com>
Date2018-03-20 14:12 -0700
Message-ID<9795b230-9922-4f2d-8265-aec7bf643729@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#488733
On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 04:15:04 UTC, David Goldfarb  wrote:
> In article <p8ms24$u9q$2@dont-email.me>,
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >> This here. Can you read this newsgroup? THANK A WHOLE BUNCH OF TEACHERS.
> >
> >	Depends on the person. No teacher in  school showed me how to read. 
> >That was my mother who started me, and I did the rest.
> 
> I didn't learn to read in school either. On the other hand, if Usenet
> had posts only by people who taught themselves to read, I suspect that
> volume would be even lower than it is now.

I expect I learned /some/ of it in school.  Formal grammar 
came to me quite late - having deviated from mainstream formal 
education at rather an early stage - although for reading, 
you can pick up a lot of it as you go along, without really 
knowing the word "verb".

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#488740

FromDavid Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>
Date2018-03-19 23:51 -0600
Message-ID<p8q7gh$aft$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#488686
On 2018-03-18 5:17 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 3/14/18 3:46 PM, David DeLaney wrote:
>> On 2018-03-08, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> On 3/6/18 6:52 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> So what do you do for a living?
>>>
>>>     R&D Coordinator at a small company. This mostly entails writing 
>>> grant
>>> proposals and, if they're won, overseeing the work and writing the
>>> reports and such.If new innovations are sufficiently interesting, I
>>> usually write the patents (at least the first version thereof before a
>>> lawyer goes through and writes the detailed claims).
>>
>> Huh. I did not know that.
> 
>      And thus it's not as surprising that someone might ask it!
> 
>      Writing fiction or RPG stuff doesn't pay the rent. It sometimes 
> pays for vacations, or repairs.
> 
>>
>>>     And of course I write SF/F.
>>
>> And have written other things including an RPG supplement in the past.
> 
>      Which, alas, never got published.
> 
>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but nothing one does in a classroom is a "job" in my
>>>> opinion.
>>
>>>     Then your opinion is barely worth the electrons spent to transmit 
>>> it.
>>
>> Agreed. Teachers have a job that, from observation, J. Clarke has not 
>> been
>> doing on this newsgroup. Don't know whether that means he can't ... 
>> but he
>> _doesn't_ use teacher skills in his arguments here.
>>
>>> It's not only a job, it's a very demanding job.
>>
>> This here. Can you read this newsgroup? THANK A WHOLE BUNCH OF TEACHERS.
> 
> 
>      Depends on the person. No teacher in  school showed me how to read. 
> That was my mother who started me, and I did the rest.

Ah but who taught your mother?

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#488779

From"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com>
Date2018-03-20 19:16 -0400
Message-ID<p8s4p4$jkl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#488740
On 3/20/18 1:51 AM, David Johnston wrote:
> On 2018-03-18 5:17 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> On 3/14/18 3:46 PM, David DeLaney wrote:
>>> On 2018-03-08, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 3/6/18 6:52 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> So what do you do for a living?
>>>>
>>>>     R&D Coordinator at a small company. This mostly entails writing
>>>> grant
>>>> proposals and, if they're won, overseeing the work and writing the
>>>> reports and such.If new innovations are sufficiently interesting, I
>>>> usually write the patents (at least the first version thereof before a
>>>> lawyer goes through and writes the detailed claims).
>>>
>>> Huh. I did not know that.
>>
>>      And thus it's not as surprising that someone might ask it!
>>
>>      Writing fiction or RPG stuff doesn't pay the rent. It sometimes
>> pays for vacations, or repairs.
>>
>>>
>>>>     And of course I write SF/F.
>>>
>>> And have written other things including an RPG supplement in the past.
>>
>>      Which, alas, never got published.
>>
>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, but nothing one does in a classroom is a "job" in my
>>>>> opinion.
>>>
>>>>     Then your opinion is barely worth the electrons spent to
>>>> transmit it.
>>>
>>> Agreed. Teachers have a job that, from observation, J. Clarke has not
>>> been
>>> doing on this newsgroup. Don't know whether that means he can't ...
>>> but he
>>> _doesn't_ use teacher skills in his arguments here.
>>>
>>>> It's not only a job, it's a very demanding job.
>>>
>>> This here. Can you read this newsgroup? THANK A WHOLE BUNCH OF TEACHERS.
>>
>>
>>      Depends on the person. No teacher in  school showed me how to
>> read. That was my mother who started me, and I did the rest.
>
> Ah but who taught your mother?
>

	She taught herself, as I understand it.



-- 
                      Sea Wasp
                        /^\
                        ;;;	
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com  Blog: 
http://seawasp.dreamwidth.org

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#488858

FromD B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
Date2018-03-22 16:19 +0000
Message-ID<20180322ba@crcomp.net>
In reply to#488740
David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2018-03-18 5:17 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:

<snip>

>>
>>  Depends on the person. No teacher in school showed me how to read.
>> That was my mother who started me, and I did the rest.
>
> Ah but who taught your mother?
>

Grandmothers all the way down? "Nine Hundred Grandmothers" perhaps?
    My mother taught me the alphabet at a tender age. After that, there
was no stopping me. There was a need deep within me to understand those
things made out of a sheaf of paper (eg books). Authors wanted to tell
me important things.
    Outliers, such as the lower case g, double storey style, caught my
attention. There was no double storey g on the large, standard-issue,
elementary school room upper and lower-case alphabet short-and-wide
poster prominently displayed near the ceiling above my teacher's desk.
    The double storey g was notably absent /in school/ and yet it was
found in all of the interesting books /at home/. The books at home that
were harder to read, that contained many polysyllabic words, with
sentences much longer than "See Dick run."
    Meanwhile, in public school (before Catholic school, honors classes,
and early graduation) the whole class patiently waited for the slowest
pupil to ever so s-l-o-w-l-y grok the meaning of "See Dick Run." At
first, such stupid spells proved excruciatingly painful to the brighter
kids. But the brighter kids soon taught themselves to play mental
solitaire (so to speak) until the stupid subsided. Judging by the follow
ups to this thread, the brighter kids eventually found their way into
rasw.

Thank you,

--
Don

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#488868

FromKevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com>
Date2018-03-22 12:16 -0700
Message-ID<f4d3d7ac-cfa8-4e94-ab32-8d49a81d205b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#488858
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 12:19:34 PM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote:

>     Meanwhile, in public school (before Catholic school, honors classes,
> and early graduation) the whole class patiently waited for the slowest
> pupil to ever so s-l-o-w-l-y grok the meaning of "See Dick Run." At
> first, such stupid spells proved excruciatingly painful to the brighter
>    But the brighter kids soon taught themselves to play mental
> solitaire (so to speak) until the stupid subsided. Judging by the follow
> ups to this thread, the brighter kids eventually found their way into
> rasw.

Were you broken up into "reading groups" in the early grades?
My 1st grade (Catholic school, early 60s) had us classed as
Jets, Planes and Gliders.  We did take turns reading aloud,
and when the Glider kids gave it a try, you could see the Jets,
and even some Planes, squirming, trying not to incur Sista's wrath,
by blurting out some version of "get ON with it, buddy!"

Nowadays that would be considered egregious labeling by the
self-esteem polizei.

Kevin R

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#488871

FromD B Davis <g@crcomp.net>
Date2018-03-22 20:13 +0000
Message-ID<20180322d@crcomp.net>
In reply to#488868
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 12:19:34 PM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote:
>
>>     Meanwhile, in public school (before Catholic school, honors classes,
>> and early graduation) the whole class patiently waited for the slowest
>> pupil to ever so s-l-o-w-l-y grok the meaning of "See Dick Run." At
>> first, such stupid spells proved excruciatingly painful to the brighter
>>    But the brighter kids soon taught themselves to play mental
>> solitaire (so to speak) until the stupid subsided. Judging by the follow
>> ups to this thread, the brighter kids eventually found their way into
>> rasw.
>
> Were you broken up into "reading groups" in the early grades?
> My 1st grade (Catholic school, early 60s) had us classed as
> Jets, Planes and Gliders.  We did take turns reading aloud,
> and when the Glider kids gave it a try, you could see the Jets,
> and even some Planes, squirming, trying not to incur Sista's wrath,
> by blurting out some version of "get ON with it, buddy!"
>
> Nowadays that would be considered egregious labeling by the
> self-esteem polizei.

We made circular formations to /talk/ about stories. Reading was mostly
a solo activity. Sometimes little plays took place in class. Classroom
plays required you to memorize your little lines.
    It's mean of me label slow readers. OTOH, they made time pass even
slower.
    Time already passes very slowly for children, to slow it down even
further makes it painful. _Man and Time_ (Priestley) talks about the
phenomenon:

    ... the incorrupted high-speed metabolism of childhood can by
    unconscious comparison make time seem to crawl, so that Christmas
    or the seaside holiday will never arrive.
        People dealing with children should always remember this
    different time scale and its magnification of things. When
    children meet cruelty or even unkindness or neglect, there
    seems to them no end to it, they face eons of menace and
    misery and hopeless bewilderment, they feel lost in a
    nightmare world that no adults, however much they might suffer,
    ever stumble into again.

Thank you,

--
Don

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#488907

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2018-03-23 07:21 -0600
Message-ID<fhkdbkF7goiU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#488868
Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 12:19:34 PM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote:
>
>>     Meanwhile, in public school (before Catholic school, honors classes,
>> and early graduation) the whole class patiently waited for the slowest
>> pupil to ever so s-l-o-w-l-y grok the meaning of "See Dick Run." At
>> first, such stupid spells proved excruciatingly painful to the brighter
>>    But the brighter kids soon taught themselves to play mental
>> solitaire (so to speak) until the stupid subsided. Judging by the follow
>> ups to this thread, the brighter kids eventually found their way into
>> rasw.
>
>Were you broken up into "reading groups" in the early grades?
>My 1st grade (Catholic school, early 60s) had us classed as
>Jets, Planes and Gliders.  We did take turns reading aloud,
>and when the Glider kids gave it a try, you could see the Jets,
>and even some Planes, squirming, trying not to incur Sista's wrath,
>by blurting out some version of "get ON with it, buddy!"

In 1962, I was placed into an experimental scheme in Toronto that was
intended to compress kindergarten, Grade 1 and Grade 2 into two years.
In 1964, we moved semi-rural BC over the summer.

In my new Grade 2, I was placed into the lower (of two) reading group.
Three weeks later, the teacher swapped textbooks on me, and told me to
read the first x pages of this other book over the weekend.  Some time
after that I was switched to a "split class" that was one third Grade
2 and 2/3 Grade 3.  Split classes were a fairly common feature at that
school.  People in the lower split got an early intro to the more
advanced stuff, and the people in the upper split got a review of the
stuff they should already have mastered.  I was in the lower split the
rest of the way through elementary school.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#489562

FromDavid DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net>
Date2018-04-02 03:20 -0500
Message-ID<79CdnUbNnNchelzHnZ2dnUU7-KWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#488868
On 2018-03-22, Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 12:19:34 PM UTC-4, D B Davis wrote:
>>     Meanwhile, in public school (before Catholic school, honors classes,
>> and early graduation) the whole class patiently waited for the slowest
>> pupil to ever so s-l-o-w-l-y grok the meaning of "See Dick Run." At
>> first, such stupid spells proved excruciatingly painful to the brighter
>>    But the brighter kids soon taught themselves to play mental
>> solitaire (so to speak) until the stupid subsided. Judging by the follow
>> ups to this thread, the brighter kids eventually found their way into
>> rasw.
>
> Were you broken up into "reading groups" in the early grades?
> My 1st grade (Catholic school, early 60s) had us classed as
> Jets, Planes and Gliders.  We did take turns reading aloud,
> and when the Glider kids gave it a try, you could see the Jets,
> and even some Planes, squirming, trying not to incur Sista's wrath,
> by blurting out some version of "get ON with it, buddy!"
>
> Nowadays that would be considered egregious labeling by the
> self-esteem polizei.

When I was in school, we had the SRA reading sections/tests, sorted by color.
Most kids never got all the way through before the next grade, if I recall
right.

Dave, see & say
-- 
\/David	DeLaney	posting	thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that	grows the flower
It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is	all it takes to	make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE	HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible	:( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

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#488872

FromJibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-22 13:17 -0700
Message-ID<XnsA8AD872215422taustingmail@69.16.179.43>
In reply to#488858
D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> wrote in news:20180322ba@crcomp.net:

>     Meanwhile, in public school (before Catholic school, honors
>     classes, 
> and early graduation) the whole class patiently waited for the
> slowest pupil to ever so s-l-o-w-l-y grok the meaning of "See
> Dick Run." At first, such stupid spells proved excruciatingly
> painful to the brighter kids. But the brighter kids soon taught
> themselves to play mental solitaire (so to speak) until the
> stupid subsided. Judging by the follow ups to this thread, the
> brighter kids eventually found their way into rasw.
> 
I just took books to read during those parts of the class. Mostly, my 
sister's science fiction and fantasy books. I had good enough 
teachers that they left me alone (because I wasn't disrupting the 
blass, and the other kids would get jealous sometimes, which 
encouraged them to try harder, too). In the 6th grade, the school 
administered a series of achievment tests (at the mandate of the 
federal government, I think), and they told me was I reading at a 
college junior level, and could sit in on any science class the high 
school had to offer and get a better grade than the high schoolers. 
Reading a lot of science fiction does that to you.

(I believe I actually learned the fundamentals of reading in 
kindergarden, but I was an eager student because my sister, who is 
six years older than me, read to me before I started, and reading was 
*cool*. Once I figured out what a dictionary and encylopedia was, the 
school never taught me anything else about reading that I hadn't 
known for years.)

-- 
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland: 
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#488970

FromGreg Goss <gossg@gossg.org>
Date2018-03-23 23:05 -0600
Message-ID<fhm4m8FjbfsU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#488872
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Once I figured out what a dictionary and encylopedia was, the 
>school never taught me anything else about reading that I hadn't 
>known for years.)

In BC's school curriculum in the seventies, you needed a pass grade in
a certain number of Grade 11 and Grade 12 classes.  This left room for
a "study" class in Grade 12 if you chose.

I chose to take Biology 11 instead of the study.  I could still
quietly read or do Math homework while half-listening to the teacher,
and the "easy A" would help my GPA.  At that time I could multitask
enough to realize that the teacher was asking me something, "replay"
the last twenty seconds or so to find the question, look up and answer
it correctly.  Then return to my book.

I got an "A/U" in the first report card of that class.  A for
achievement on tests and assignments.  U for unacceptable effort.
I've been proud of that A/U for a long time.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#488973

FromNinapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-24 05:27 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA8AEE468F8626taustincagmailcom@69.16.179.42>
In reply to#488970
Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote in
news:fhm4m8FjbfsU1@mid.individual.net: 

> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>Once I figured out what a dictionary and encylopedia was, the 
>>school never taught me anything else about reading that I hadn't
>>known for years.)
> 
> In BC's school curriculum in the seventies, you needed a pass
> grade in a certain number of Grade 11 and Grade 12 classes. 
> This left room for a "study" class in Grade 12 if you chose.
> 
> I chose to take Biology 11 instead of the study.  I could still
> quietly read or do Math homework while half-listening to the
> teacher, and the "easy A" would help my GPA.  At that time I
> could multitask enough to realize that the teacher was asking me
> something, "replay" the last twenty seconds or so to find the
> question, look up and answer it correctly.  Then return to my
> book. 
> 
> I got an "A/U" in the first report card of that class.  A for
> achievement on tests and assignments.  U for unacceptable
> effort. I've been proud of that A/U for a long time.

I had to have a health class to graduate. It's a sophmore class. I 
took it as a senior. There was nothing presented that I hadn't 
known since the sixth grade or earlier. (In fact, now that I think 
about it, I'd had a very similar class *in* sixth grade at another 
- and much better - school in another state.) As was my usual wont, 
I sat in the front row. And literally slept through class pretty 
much every day. And aced every test. The teacher loved me because I 
wasn't screaming or trying to light anything on fire. We didn't get 
graded on participation in high school, probably because they were 
afraid that neither the students, nor the parents, and possibly 
half the teachers, could follow two letters at once. (The school 
had no money, and couldn't afford to hire teachers that were 
competent.) (If we had, I'd have scored well on that, too, for the 
reasons noted.)

(I also had a physics class where I sat in the front row and 
*apparently* fell asleep, but was listening to the lecture. My 
memory for stuff I'm actually interested in is (or was, 40 years 
ago, anyway) excellent, and I've never had to take notes in class 
unless the notebook was graded. So the first couple of times, the 
teacher would ask me what he'd just said, and without raising my 
head, I'd recite his lecture back to him for the last minute or two 
word for word. After that, and he left me alone, and because he 
gave extra credit problems on his tests, I finished the semester 
with a grade over 100%. He was one of the three or so teachers in 
the school that didn't deserve to be punched in the face every day 
to remind them how useless they were.)

-- 
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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#488975

FromLawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-24 01:49 -0400
Message-ID<shpbbd112eh8738mhfgir5tg0vm62ijpiv@reader80.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#488970
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 23:05:36 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:

>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Once I figured out what a dictionary and encylopedia was, the 
>>school never taught me anything else about reading that I hadn't 
>>known for years.)
>
>In BC's school curriculum in the seventies, you needed a pass grade in
>a certain number of Grade 11 and Grade 12 classes.  This left room for
>a "study" class in Grade 12 if you chose.
>
>I chose to take Biology 11 instead of the study.  I could still
>quietly read or do Math homework while half-listening to the teacher,
>and the "easy A" would help my GPA.  At that time I could multitask
>enough to realize that the teacher was asking me something, "replay"
>the last twenty seconds or so to find the question, look up and answer
>it correctly.  Then return to my book.
>
>I got an "A/U" in the first report card of that class.  A for
>achievement on tests and assignments.  U for unacceptable effort.
>I've been proud of that A/U for a long time.

I forget what the subject was, but I remember getting pulled aside by
my third-grade teacher on first-quarter report card day and being told
that one grade that was A for comprehension, A for effort should
actually have been A for comprehension and F for effort, but she
didn't want to have to explain such an F to her superiors, so she gave
me the A but I shouldn't believe it for a minute.

I liked Mrs. Genetti.  I appreciated her telling me that.



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My latest novel is Stone Unturned:  A Legend of Ethshar.
See http://www.ethshar.com/StoneUnturned.shtml

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#488978

FromJaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org>
Date2018-03-24 10:45 +0000
Message-ID<fuacbddeipq41bge2ib597sttt25a3hdu1@4ax.com>
In reply to#488970
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 23:05:36 -0600, Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:

>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Once I figured out what a dictionary and encylopedia was, the 
>>school never taught me anything else about reading that I hadn't 
>>known for years.)
>
>In BC's school curriculum in the seventies, you needed a pass grade in
>a certain number of Grade 11 and Grade 12 classes.  This left room for
>a "study" class in Grade 12 if you chose.
>
>I chose to take Biology 11 instead of the study.  I could still
>quietly read or do Math homework while half-listening to the teacher,
>and the "easy A" would help my GPA.  At that time I could multitask
>enough to realize that the teacher was asking me something, "replay"
>the last twenty seconds or so to find the question, look up and answer
>it correctly.  Then return to my book.
>
>I got an "A/U" in the first report card of that class.  A for
>achievement on tests and assignments.  U for unacceptable effort.
>I've been proud of that A/U for a long time.

Similar for me in physics, A/F where F was the lowest. Difference from
Lawrence is that my teacher was very pleased with that (partly because
he'd never had the chance to give that grade pair out before). What was
your teacher's opinion Greg? 

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
"By all means marry. If you get a good wife, you'll become happy;
if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher." - Socrates

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