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| Started by | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2025-08-13 22:30 +0000 |
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The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:30 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-08-14 06:53 +0200
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 05:55 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 16:50 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-14 10:38 -0700
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-14 18:03 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-19 11:58 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-19 14:26 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-20 07:10 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-20 16:57 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-20 21:17 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-21 00:11 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-21 07:14 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-21 21:30 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-22 02:03 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-23 11:56 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-24 01:22 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-23 16:22 -0700
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-24 01:31 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-24 17:14 -0400
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-25 01:26 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-25 14:41 -0400
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-26 10:00 +1200
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-26 03:06 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-26 16:26 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-27 00:48 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-27 16:43 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-28 03:13 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-28 19:23 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-28 23:48 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-29 15:28 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-30 22:22 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-31 16:59 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-31 18:32 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-09-02 12:32 -0400
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-02 22:03 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-02 22:50 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-03 15:28 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-03 17:11 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-08 18:55 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-09-09 00:13 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-10 15:58 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-27 15:38 -0400
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-08-27 21:16 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-28 03:24 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-08-25 19:17 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-26 01:57 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-26 09:19 -0400
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-26 09:23 -0400
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-08-27 08:40 +1200
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-08-28 03:42 +0000
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 16:17 -0400
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-08-28 16:19 -0400
Re: The 11 iOS features that Arlen is ignorant of -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-08-29 10:46 -0400
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-09 00:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <109nrf6$1rbq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197427 |
On Mon, 8 Sep 2025 18:55:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :
>> Let's summarize, at a high level what "kinds" of bugfix updates exist.
>
> Firstly you need to stick with common nomenclature. The are updates for
> several different and overlapping reasons: fix security issues, fix bugs,
> add features, change functionality.
>
> Not everything is a bugfix.
Hi Chris,
Stop acting like Alan Baker saying nobody understands anything but he.
Just stop it.
It's clear you have absolutely no idea how either iOS or Android updates.
Trust me when I say I understand how Android & iOS update software.
Yet I have no confidence that you Apple trolls understand how they do.
For years, for example, you Apple trolls claimed iOS wasn't monolithic
when, everyone who understood anything about iOS knew that it was
monolithic. You Apple trolls were confused by something as simple as a
delta which Apple used (as does Microsoft) for updating individuals.
It was only in iOS 16 that the concept of a hotfix RSR existed in iOS.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
Which is likely why iOS is the most exploited mobile OS in history.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
Also, you Apple trolls have never been able to understand that every OEM
vendor patches older releases every once in a while. Only on an Apple
newsgroup is a random patch to an older device considered extraordinary
proof that Apple randomly patches older devices (which every OEM does).
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222>
And, it took *years* for me to get it through your thick skulls, Chris,
that only Apple only fully supports only a single release at any one time.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
Even today, after years of trying to get into your thick Apple troll skulls
how Android updates, you still have no clue that Android 10+ updates
monthly every single Android phone that is on the Internet, Chris.
<https://www.esper.io/blog/what-is-project-mainline>
You think Apple has any clue how to do something like that, Chris?
From: Marion <marion@facts.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Why doesn't Apple forever update iOS core modules
on every iPhone on the Internet monthly?
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 17:11:03 -0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <1099sr4$9sk$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
> So an owner of an android phone is dependent on both Google/Android and the
> vendor to ensure that their device is fully up-to-date.
So is the owner of an Apple iPhone. Remember, Apple doesn't make most of
the hardware in the iPhone. So they depend on those same OEM vendors.
> Project mainline as described above only covers some parts of an Android
> devices' software ecosystem so if that is the only active update mechanism
> then a user is still potentially vulnerable due to deprecation in vendor
> and/or Android non-critical system components.
Yup. That's why the promised written length of support being better for
Google & Samsung flagships than for iOS is critically important, Chris.
*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*and it's less than Samsung and Google*
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
> Admittedly there is ambiguity regarding what users can expect after full
> iOS support is dropped. For example, unsupported iphone X (launched 2017)
> phones stuck on iOs 16 still received 12 updates since the release of iOS
> 17.
>
> The other downside of the iOS model is that you don't know when or if
> updates are due. With Android there's at least a bulletin published every
> month even when there are no updates.
I have to give you credit, Chris, for looking this information up.
This is the first time, in the history of posting on this Apple newsgroup,
that anyone has shown any understanding of how the OS's update.
They update differently. In layers. With varying amount of support.
I give you credit for delving into the complexity that it inherently is.
Kudos to you.
Finally, an adult conversation is possible on this Apple newsgroup.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-09-10 15:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <109s77o$1sjpe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197430 |
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: > On Mon, 8 Sep 2025 18:55:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote : > >>> Let's summarize, at a high level what "kinds" of bugfix updates exist. >> >> Firstly you need to stick with common nomenclature. The are updates for >> several different and overlapping reasons: fix security issues, fix bugs, >> add features, change functionality. >> >> Not everything is a bugfix. > > Hi Chris, > > Stop acting like Alan Baker saying nobody understands anything but he. > Just stop it. > > It's clear you have absolutely no idea how either iOS or Android updates. > > Trust me when I say I understand how Android & iOS update software. > Yet I have no confidence that you Apple trolls understand how they do. There's no point in getting angry at yourself for getting something wrong. Remember you *want* people to correct you, as you've said many times. > For years, for example, you Apple trolls claimed iOS wasn't monolithic > when, everyone who understood anything about iOS knew that it was > monolithic. You Apple trolls were confused by something as simple as a > delta which Apple used (as does Microsoft) for updating individuals. And for years you've got it wrong. iOS updates are not monolithic. > It was only in iOS 16 that the concept of a hotfix RSR existed in iOS. > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224> > > Which is likely why iOS is the most exploited mobile OS in history. > <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog> Yet again you're making a claim based on false premise. It's been explained to you very clearly why CISA is incomplete and inaccurate. > And, it took *years* for me to get it through your thick skulls, Chris, > that only Apple only fully supports only a single release at any one time. > <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/> And you still don't understand the different support models between ios and android. Despite Apple only fully supporting the current version iOS it still supports iphones far longer then android. Like in my example you conveniently snipped - you don't like uncomfortable truths do you? - the Galaxy A21 and iphone SE 2nd gen were released about the same time yet only the SE is still fully supported and will be at least another year. Being different does not automatically mean worse. > Even today, after years of trying to get into your thick Apple troll skulls > how Android updates, you still have no clue that Android 10+ updates > monthly every single Android phone that is on the Internet, Chris. > <https://www.esper.io/blog/what-is-project-mainline> And you can't even read. I explained to you very well how it works and how it is flawed. Being wilfully ignorant is a character flaw, Arlen.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 15:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <108nms5$s98o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197302 |
On 2025-08-26 20:48, Marion wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:26:49 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote : > > >>> Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is >>> rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and >>> numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!). >> >> Agreed. Doesn't stop Arlen claiming it's a monolith and only the good bits >> count, tho . Crap android phones don't exist. > > Chris, > > You don't even know what a "monolith" is, so stop it with that garbage. > Up until iOS 16's use of RSRs, Apple shipped iOS updates as a monolith. Simply false. Remember, a single counter example proves you wrong: iOS 15.2.1 weighed in at 870MB. A lot, but a full install of iOS 15 is 2.2GB. Ergo, the 15.2.1 update was not monolithic.
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| From | Tyrone <none@none.none> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 21:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6d2cnWri8Io46DL1nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #197304 |
On Aug 27, 2025 at 3:38:45 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > On 2025-08-26 20:48, Marion wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:26:49 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote : >> >> >>>> Comparing "iPhone" to "Android" in terms of sales and ownership is >>>> rather pointless anyway because there is only one iPhone maker and >>>> numerous Android makers (almost 1300 different phone brands!). >>> >>> Agreed. Doesn't stop Arlen claiming it's a monolith and only the good bits >>> count, tho . Crap android phones don't exist. >> >> Chris, >> >> You don't even know what a "monolith" is, so stop it with that garbage. >> Up until iOS 16's use of RSRs, Apple shipped iOS updates as a monolith. > > Simply false. > > Remember, a single counter example proves you wrong: > > iOS 15.2.1 weighed in at 870MB. > > A lot, but a full install of iOS 15 is 2.2GB. > > Ergo, the 15.2.1 update was not monolithic. iOS has NEVER been updated using the moronic method that Arlen claims. Which is, "Even if only a single line of code was changed, Apple ships the entire iOS out to every iPhone/iPad". If Arlen the lying troll had even a SINGLE iPhone/iPad, he would know this because THE SIZE OF THE UPDATE YOU ARE GETTING IS SHOWN EVERY TIME YOU UPDATE. And every update is a different size. How is that possible Arlen? The most recent 18.6.2 update was around 750 MB. Is that the ENTIRE iOS Arlen? Why are full version updates so much larger Arlen? Why are you such a lying dipshit Arlen?
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 03:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108oi61$1nlu$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197305 |
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 21:16:21 +0000, Tyrone wrote :
> iOS has NEVER been updated using the moronic method that Arlen claims. Which
> is, "Even if only a single line of code was changed, Apple ships the entire
> iOS out to every iPhone/iPad".
>
> If Arlen the lying troll had even a SINGLE iPhone/iPad, he would know this
> because THE SIZE OF THE UPDATE YOU ARE GETTING IS SHOWN EVERY TIME YOU UPDATE.
> And every update is a different size. How is that possible Arlen?
>
> The most recent 18.6.2 update was around 750 MB. Is that the ENTIRE iOS
> Arlen? Why are full version updates so much larger Arlen? Why are you such a
> lying dipshit Arlen?
You Apple trolls don't have a clue how iOS worked back then.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
Every update was different for each device but there was only one
monolithic operating system which had to be built to do that.
<https://support.apple.com/en-ph/guide/security/sec87fc038c2/web>
The first Rapid Security Response updates for iOS 16.4.1, iPadOS 16.4.1 &
macOS 13.3.1 (Ventura) started rolling out on May 1, 2023.
<https://duo.com/decipher/apple-releases-fix-for-actively-exploited-webkit-bug>
Not only are you Apple trolls so ignorant of iOS that you don't know that,
but it's one of the main reasons iOS has 1-1/2 times the known exploits.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
The fact that Apple has never tested huge chunks of its iOS code also
belies the fact that Apple's lack of modern update wasn't the only reason.
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
What makes things worse is Apple's promised written support is the worst in
the industry when you compare with two of the main Android OEM players.
*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*and it's less than Samsung and Google*
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
It doesn't help that only Apple betrays the customer by never fully
supporting anything other than a single release stream in its history.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
It's no longer shocking you Apple trolls know nothing about Apple product.
Once you finally understand these facts, only then can I even begin to
teach you why Apple's operating systems are the least secure in the world.
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| From | badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-25 19:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108ics2$jlbp$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #197279 |
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: > > People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. > Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some people. It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They don’t care that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of their peers.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-26 01:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108j4a2$lld$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197285 |
On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 19:17:22 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote : >> People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >> > > Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some > people. It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have > more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They don't care > that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of > their peers. Hi badgolferman, You're so right. That's why it's pleasant when you join a conversation. I agree as I own a Rolex and German cars/bikes such as the bimmer/beemer (and you own a Gold Wing where both of us could have bought rice burners). A phone, a watch, a car, a loaf of bread... all are simple commodities. Marketing's job is to turn that commodity into a specialty item. Once it's turned into a specialty item, you no longer judge it the same. It's judged on whatever marketing can convince you is how to judge it. Never let me ever say that Apple marketing isn't the best at that task! Hence, I fully agree that people buy iPhones NOT for their functionality. They buy iPhones for whatever outcome Marketing has convinced them of. One of those outcomes, clearly, according to -hh, is "status/prestige". Fine. I get that. They "feel" that by owning an iPhone, they're important. Much like MAGA people do by owning a Trump Bible or a Trump MAGA shirt. It's pleasant to discuss relevant topics with you (and even -hh, at times, as he certainly "can" comprehend that there is nuance in our discussions). Just as I have been asking everyone at the gas pump for decades why they buy premium, rest assured I've asked hundreds of people over the years why they buy iPhones, particularly when I'm standing in line and noticing it in their hands. Almost always, in both cases, I get the marketing bullshit spit back at me. They don't actually know ANYTHING about the products that they're using. That's the problem as I see it. Marketing has convinced them that whatever Marketing tells them, is true. Lies that marketing feeds them abound, where I try to discuss those lies. One of the lies is that an iPhone is functionally superior to Android. It's not. After something like 300 posts (or so), nobody can find more than one useful thing that the iPhone does that Android doesn't do (i.e., port 445).
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-26 09:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <108kc89$281c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197285 |
On 2025-08-25 15:17, badgolferman wrote: > Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >> >> People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >> > > Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some > people. It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have > more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They don’t care > that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of > their peers. So what? That might fly for a brief while, but when the continue to buy iPhones, it definitely suggests that they WORK well for the purchaser.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-26 09:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <108kcgt$21ks$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197285 |
On 8/25/25 15:17, badgolferman wrote: > Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >> >> People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >> > > Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some > people. And likewise, some buyers of Android (or Tesla/etc) are choosing these for some aspect of 'status' too. However, that some segment buys for reasons other than strictly utility shouldn't be a surprise, nor condemn that choice: it is the essence of why the entire field of product marketing exists. And goods which fake their desirability/status don't last long, so that is straightforward to eliminate here from consideration. But you & Marion are both missing the point that was being raised here, which is that higher affluence empowers greater fiscal frivolity, which if this really was all about status/image as you're suggesting, these owners would be promptly flipping to each new iPhone model ... but the ownership data shows that not only do they not, but they actually tend to own their iPhones for longer than Android buyers own their Androids. The ramifications here have a couple of likely possibilities: a) Apple makes better hardware which allows it to last longer; b) The hardware build is ~same, but Apple customers own longer because they're *less* vain about "shiny new thing" status symbols than Android. YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android. > It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have > more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They don’t care > that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of > their peers. Nope. The things which other consumers choose to assign value to in their product selections is not something that you personally get to approve/condemn, just because your personal opinion for what constitutes 'value' differs. If you want to make a credible argument that something is an overpriced piece of junk, you need to remove your personal bias from the argument that you make and transparently show objective metrics with actual data. Not this emotional hand-waiving you're doing, 'Karen'. -hh
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-27 08:40 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <108l630$962q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197298 |
On 2025-08-26 13:23:41 +0000, -hh said: > On 8/25/25 15:17, badgolferman wrote: >> Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: >>> >>> People who buy a Rolex aren't smarter than people who buy a Timex you know. >>> >> >> Just like a Rolex or a Mercedes, an iPhone is a status symbol for some >> people. > > And likewise, some buyers of Android (or Tesla/etc) are choosing these > for some aspect of 'status' too. > > However, that some segment buys for reasons other than strictly utility > shouldn't be a surprise, nor condemn that choice: it is the essence of > why the entire field of product marketing exists. > > And goods which fake their desirability/status don't last long, so that > is straightforward to eliminate here from consideration. > > But you & Marion are both missing the point that was being raised here, > which is that higher affluence empowers greater fiscal frivolity, which > if this really was all about status/image as you're suggesting, these > owners would be promptly flipping to each new iPhone model ... but the > ownership data shows that not only do they not, but they actually tend > to own their iPhones for longer than Android buyers own their Androids. > > The ramifications here have a couple of likely possibilities: > > a) Apple makes better hardware which allows it to last longer; > > b) The hardware build is ~same, but Apple customers own longer because > they're *less* vain about "shiny new thing" status symbols than Android. > > YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android. c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long (either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer versions of Android). d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement. e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced. f) ... >> It means they have achieved a certain wealth level where they have >> more disposable income and can purchase overpriced things. They don’t care >> that the value is not there, it just makes them look better in the yes of >> their peers. > > Nope. The things which other consumers choose to assign value to in > their product selections is not something that you personally get to > approve/condemn, just because your personal opinion for what > constitutes 'value' differs. > > If you want to make a credible argument that something is an overpriced > piece of junk, you need to remove your personal bias from the argument > that you make and transparently show objective metrics with actual data. > > Not this emotional hand-waiving you're doing, 'Karen'. > > > -hh
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 03:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <108oj71$2r2i$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #197301 |
On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 08:40:01 +1200, Your Name wrote :
>> YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android.
>
> c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long
> (either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer
> versions of Android).
>
> d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the
> toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement.
>
> e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android
> phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced.
WTF?
Does Your Name actually believe what he just wrote?
What he wrote makes him sound like an ignorant low-IQ uneducated kook.
Besides, I wonder if he knows both Google & Samsung support Android on more
operating system versions & for years longer than does Apple on iPhones.
*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*and it's less than Samsung and Google*
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 16:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <108qdg1$1jbnd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197316 |
On 2025-08-27 23:42, Marion wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 08:40:01 +1200, Your Name wrote : > > >>> YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android. >> >> c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long >> (either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer >> versions of Android). >> >> d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the >> toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement. >> >> e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android >> phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced. > > WTF? > > Does Your Name actually believe what he just wrote? > What he wrote makes him sound like an ignorant low-IQ uneducated kook. > > Besides, I wonder if he knows both Google & Samsung support Android on more > operating system versions & for years longer than does Apple on iPhones. > > *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones* > *and it's less than Samsung and Google* > <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/> Did you not read this: "Apple hasn't offered update promises in the past, but the company has been really good at supporting its devices for long periods. For example, the iPhone XR is the oldest phone to get iOS 18, and that phone was released in 2018. This is a seven-year-old product."
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-28 16:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <108qdk3$1jbnd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197316 |
On 2025-08-27 23:42, Marion wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 08:40:01 +1200, Your Name wrote : > > >>> YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android. >> >> c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long >> (either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer >> versions of Android). >> >> d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the >> toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement. >> >> e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android >> phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced. > > WTF? > > Does Your Name actually believe what he just wrote? > What he wrote makes him sound like an ignorant low-IQ uneducated kook. > > Besides, I wonder if he knows both Google & Samsung support Android on more > operating system versions & for years longer than does Apple on iPhones. > > *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones* > *and it's less than Samsung and Google* > <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/> And this: “minimum of five years from the first supply date.” What Apple wrote was to put themselves in official compliance with a new UK REGULATION, and doesn't in any way, shape or form constitute proof that Apple will support it for ONLY 5 years.
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2025-08-29 10:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <108segc$1ve8e$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #197316 |
On 8/27/25 23:42, Marion wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 08:40:01 +1200, Your Name wrote : > > >>> YMMV, but neither of these are positive things for Android. >> >> c) Most Android models are el cheapo garbage that doesn't last long >> (either physically breaking or using old tech that can't handle newer >> versions of Android). >> >> d) Android users are clumsy and keep dropping their phones down the >> toilet, leaving it on the car roof, etc., so have to buy a replacement. >> >> e) Being el cheapo, criminals, tourists, etc. keep buying Android >> phones as "burner" phones that get disposed of quickly and replaced. > > WTF? Yup, those too. > Does Your Name actually believe what he just wrote? > What he wrote makes him sound like an ignorant low-IQ uneducated kook. Not at all: there's gems of truth in these as well. But one can nevertheless be charitable to Android users by avoiding mention of such examples which carry greater negative connotations of their users. -hh
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