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Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency of busy CPUs prematurely

From "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency of busy CPUs prematurely
Date 2017-03-25 02:40 +0100
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On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com> wrote:
> Hi Rafael,
>
> On 03/21/2017 04:08 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>> From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
>>
>> The way the schedutil governor uses the PELT metric causes it to
>> underestimate the CPU utilization in some cases.
>>
>> That can be easily demonstrated by running kernel compilation on
>> a Sandy Bridge Intel processor, running turbostat in parallel with
>> it and looking at the values written to the MSR_IA32_PERF_CTL
>> register.  Namely, the expected result would be that when all CPUs
>> were 100% busy, all of them would be requested to run in the maximum
>> P-state, but observation shows that this clearly isn't the case.
>> The CPUs run in the maximum P-state for a while and then are
>> requested to run slower and go back to the maximum P-state after
>> a while again.  That causes the actual frequency of the processor to
>> visibly oscillate below the sustainable maximum in a jittery fashion
>> which clearly is not desirable.
>>
>> That has been attributed to CPU utilization metric updates on task
>> migration that cause the total utilization value for the CPU to be
>> reduced by the utilization of the migrated task.  If that happens,
>> the schedutil governor may see a CPU utilization reduction and will
>> attempt to reduce the CPU frequency accordingly right away.  That
>> may be premature, though, for example if the system is generally
>> busy and there are other runnable tasks waiting to be run on that
>> CPU already.
>>
>
> Thinking out loud a bit, I wonder if what you really want to do is basically:
>
> schedutil_cpu_util(cpu) = max(cpu_rq(cpu)->cfs.util_avg, total_cpu_util_avg);
>
> Where total_cpu_util_avg tracks the average utilization of the CPU itself over time (% of time the CPU was busy) in the same PELT like manner. The difference here is that it doesn't change instantaneously as tasks migrate in/out but it decays/accumulates just like the per-entity util_avgs.
>
> Over time, total_cpu_util_avg and cfs_rq(cpu)->util_avg will tend towards each other the lesser the amount of 'overlap' / overloading.
>
> Yes, the above metric would 'overestimate' in case all tasks have migrated away and we are left with an idle CPU. A fix for that could be to just use the PELT value like so:
>
> schedutil_cpu_util(cpu) = max(cpu_rq(cpu)->cfs.util_avg, idle_cpu(cpu) ? 0 : total_cpu_util_avg);
>
> Note that the problem described here in the commit message doesn't need fully runnable threads, it just needs two threads to execute in parallel on the same CPU for a period of time. I don't think looking at just idle_calls necessarily covers all cases.
>
> Thoughts?

Well, is the total_cpu_util_avg metric readily available?

Thanks,
Rafael

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[PATCH 0/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Fix and optimization "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-19 14:50 +0100
  [PATCH 1/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Fix per-CPU structure initialization in sugov_start() "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-19 14:50 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 1/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Fix per-CPU structure  initialization in sugov_start() Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-03-20 04:30 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 1/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Fix per-CPU structure initialization in sugov_start() "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 13:50 +0100
  [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-19 14:50 +0100
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-19 22:40 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-19 22:50 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-20 12:10 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 13:50 +0100
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-03-20 05:00 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-20 09:30 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-20 13:40 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com> - 2017-03-23 01:00 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-23 23:10 +0100
              Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com> - 2017-03-25 04:50 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-27 09:10 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 14:10 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-20 14:40 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 14:30 +0100
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-20 12:50 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 13:50 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-20 14:00 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-20 14:10 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 14:40 +0100
              Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-20 15:20 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 14:20 +0100
    [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 23:00 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 07:50 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2017-03-21 13:40 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 10:00 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 13:00 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 14:30 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 14:40 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 15:30 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-21 15:40 +0100
              Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 15:50 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-21 16:00 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 16:10 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-21 16:30 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 18:10 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-21 18:30 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 16:10 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 16:20 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 20:30 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-21 16:10 +0100
              Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 16:10 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 15:40 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 16:00 +0100
              Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 16:00 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 18:10 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 18:10 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 13:00 +0100
      [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency of busy CPUs prematurely "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-22 00:20 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-22 10:30 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-03-22 11:10 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com> - 2017-03-23 02:10 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com> - 2017-03-23 20:30 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com> - 2017-03-23 22:00 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2017-03-24 02:40 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com> - 2017-03-24 20:20 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com> - 2017-03-25 02:20 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2017-03-25 02:40 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-27 09:20 +0200

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