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Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs

From Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs
Date 2017-03-23 23:10 +0100
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On 23 March 2017 at 00:56, Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:34 AM, Patrick Bellasi
> <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> wrote:
>> On 20-Mar 09:26, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>>> On 20 March 2017 at 04:57, Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> wrote:
>>> > On 19-03-17, 14:34, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> >> From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
>>> >>
>>> >> The PELT metric used by the schedutil governor underestimates the
>>> >> CPU utilization in some cases.  The reason for that may be time spent
>>> >> in interrupt handlers and similar which is not accounted for by PELT.
>>>
>>> Are you sure of the root cause  described above (time stolen by irq
>>> handler) or is it just a hypotheses ? That would be good to be sure of
>>> the root cause
>>> Furthermore, IIRC the time spent in irq context is also accounted as
>>> run time for the running cfs task but not RT and deadline task running
>>> time
>>
>> As long as the IRQ processing does not generate a context switch,
>> which is happening (eventually) if the top half schedule some deferred
>> work to be executed by a bottom half.
>>
>> Thus, me too I would say that all the top half time is accounted in
>> PELT, since the current task is still RUNNABLE/RUNNING.
>
> Sorry if I'm missing something but doesn't this depend on whether you
> have CONFIG_IRQ_TIME_ACCOUNTING enabled?
>
> __update_load_avg uses rq->clock_task for deltas which I think
> shouldn't account IRQ time with that config option. So it should be
> quite possible for IRQ time spent to reduce the PELT signal right?
>
>>
>>> So I'm not really aligned with the description of your problem: PELT
>>> metric underestimates the load of the CPU.  The PELT is just about
>>> tracking CFS task utilization but not whole CPU utilization and
>>> according to your description of the problem (time stolen by irq),
>>> your problem doesn't come from an underestimation of CFS task but from
>>> time spent in something else but not accounted in the value used by
>>> schedutil
>>
>> Quite likely. Indeed, it can really be that the CFS task is preempted
>> because of some RT activity generated by the IRQ handler.
>>
>> More in general, I've also noticed many suboptimal freq switches when
>> RT tasks interleave with CFS ones, because of:
>> - relatively long down _and up_ throttling times
>> - the way schedutil's flags are tracked and updated
>> - the callsites from where we call schedutil updates
>>
>> For example it can really happen that we are running at the highest
>> OPP because of some RT activity. Then we switch back to a relatively
>> low utilization CFS workload and then:
>> 1. a tick happens which produces a frequency drop
>
> Any idea why this frequency drop would happen? Say a running CFS task
> gets preempted by RT task, the PELT signal shouldn't drop for the
> duration the CFS task is preempted because the task is runnable, so

utilization only tracks the running state but not runnable state.
Runnable state is tracked in load_avg

> once the CFS task gets CPU back, schedutil should still maintain the
> capacity right?
>
> Regards,
> Joel

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[PATCH 0/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Fix and optimization "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-19 14:50 +0100
  [PATCH 1/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Fix per-CPU structure initialization in sugov_start() "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-19 14:50 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 1/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Fix per-CPU structure  initialization in sugov_start() Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-03-20 04:30 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 1/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Fix per-CPU structure initialization in sugov_start() "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 13:50 +0100
  [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-19 14:50 +0100
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-19 22:40 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-19 22:50 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-20 12:10 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 13:50 +0100
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-03-20 05:00 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-20 09:30 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-20 13:40 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com> - 2017-03-23 01:00 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-23 23:10 +0100
              Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com> - 2017-03-25 04:50 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-27 09:10 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 14:10 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-20 14:40 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 14:30 +0100
    Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-20 12:50 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 13:50 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-20 14:00 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-20 14:10 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 14:40 +0100
              Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy  CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-20 15:20 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Force max frequency on busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 14:20 +0100
    [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-20 23:00 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 07:50 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2017-03-21 13:40 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 10:00 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 13:00 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 14:30 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 14:40 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 15:30 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-21 15:40 +0100
              Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 15:50 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-21 16:00 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 16:10 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-21 16:30 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 18:10 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-21 18:30 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 16:10 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 16:20 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 20:30 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing frequency of busy CPUs "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-21 16:10 +0100
              Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 16:10 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 15:40 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 16:00 +0100
              Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-21 16:00 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 18:10 +0100
                Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-21 18:10 +0100
      Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid decreasing  frequency of busy CPUs Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com> - 2017-03-21 13:00 +0100
      [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency of busy CPUs prematurely "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-03-22 00:20 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-22 10:30 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-03-22 11:10 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com> - 2017-03-23 02:10 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com> - 2017-03-23 20:30 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com> - 2017-03-23 22:00 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2017-03-24 02:40 +0100
            Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com> - 2017-03-24 20:20 +0100
        Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com> - 2017-03-25 02:20 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2017-03-25 02:40 +0100
          Re: [RFC][PATCH v3 2/2] cpufreq: schedutil: Avoid reducing frequency  of busy CPUs prematurely Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> - 2017-03-27 09:20 +0200

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