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Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for ACPI and OF

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On 01/25/2017 04:27 PM, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 02:44:10PM -0700, Al Stone wrote:
>>
>> But, to the point of some of the other discussion on the thread, this ACPI sort
>> of power management is a very, very different model than DT so that intertwining
>> the two models is highly unlikely to work, IMHO.
> 
> And yet this is something that is sorely needed. If you look, for
> example, at drivers in drivers/input/*, then all non-SOC-specific
> devices can easily find their way onto both ACPI-based and DT-based
> systems (not mentioning legacy-style boards). Having two distinct power
> schemes implemented in drivers will lead to many problems.

I really can't speak to those sorts of systems; where I deal with ACPI
is on enterprise-class server systems which seldom have a graphics card,
much less input devices other than a keyboard.  And in general, those
systems are required to use only ACPI.  If a vendor wants their device to
work on such a system, they need to provide a driver that works with ACPI.
It may also work with DT, but in this environment it doesn't matter.

Whether or not there are two power schemes is a moot point.  We have DT
and we have ACPI, and they have very different schemes for power management,
so we're already there.  And so far, my experience has been that as long as
the ACPI and DT parts of the driver are kept disjoint when the models diverge,
and share code when they are semantically absolutely identical, things work
pretty well.

> Having unified way of describing hardware is how _DSD came about, right?
> Nobody wanted to write and maintain and test two separate ways of
> describing properties when one was already implemented and working.

I can't speak for those that proposed _DSD to be part of the ACPI spec,
but no, it was not meant as a unified way of describing hardware, as far
as I can remember from the ASWG discussions I was part of.  The intent,
as I recall it, was to provide some of the same flexibility to ASL that
was available in DT.  At the time, power managment was even discussed as
one of the areas where the DT model and the ACPI model clashed.

-- 
ciao,
al
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Al Stone
Software Engineer
Red Hat, Inc.
ahs3@redhat.com
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[PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for ACPI and OF Furquan Shaikh <furquan@chromium.org> - 2017-01-25 01:10 +0100
  [PATCH 6/7] drivers/gpio: Add and export gpiod_lookup[_index] Furquan Shaikh <furquan@chromium.org> - 2017-01-25 01:10 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 6/7] drivers/gpio: Add and export gpiod_lookup[_index] Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org> - 2017-01-26 16:30 +0100
  [PATCH 7/7] drivers/regulator: Initialize regulator init data for ACPI regulators Furquan Shaikh <furquan@chromium.org> - 2017-01-25 01:10 +0100
  Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com> - 2017-01-25 13:30 +0100
  Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2017-01-25 13:50 +0100
    Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2017-01-25 14:00 +0100
      Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Furquan Shaikh <furquan@chromium.org> - 2017-01-25 18:00 +0100
        Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2017-01-25 19:30 +0100
        Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2017-01-25 19:30 +0100
          Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2017-01-25 19:40 +0100
            Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2017-01-25 19:40 +0100
              Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2017-01-25 20:00 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> - 2017-01-25 20:40 +0100
            Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-25 19:50 +0100
              Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-25 20:30 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2017-01-25 21:40 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-25 22:20 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2017-01-25 22:40 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-25 23:10 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2017-01-25 23:30 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Al Stone <ahs3@redhat.com> - 2017-01-25 22:50 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-26 00:30 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Al Stone <ahs3@redhat.com> - 2017-01-26 01:20 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com> - 2017-01-26 01:40 +0100
                Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for ACPI and OF "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-01-26 11:50 +0100
            Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com> - 2017-01-25 20:20 +0100
              Re: [PATCH 0/7] Implement generic regulator constraints parsing for  ACPI and OF Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> - 2017-01-25 21:50 +0100

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