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  Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-08-15 19:10 +0200
    Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Marco <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-15 19:20 +0200
    Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-08-15 20:40 +0200
    Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-08-15 21:20 +0200
      Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail "Russell L. Harris" <russell@rlharris.org> - 2023-08-15 21:50 +0200
        Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-08-15 23:30 +0200
        Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Frank Lanitz <frank@frank.uvena.de> - 2023-08-29 20:30 +0200
      Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-08-19 16:10 +0200
        Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-08-19 16:30 +0200
    Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 04:30 +0200
      Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-08-19 16:20 +0200
    Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-11-18 18:10 +0100
      Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail peter ehlert <sdibaja@gmail.com> - 2023-11-18 18:30 +0100
        Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail peter ehlert <sdibaja@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 16:00 +0100
      Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Alex <alex@blueselene.com> - 2023-11-18 19:10 +0100
        Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 01:10 +0100
          Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail jeremy ardley <jeremy.ardley@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 02:30 +0100
      Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-11-18 20:30 +0100
        Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2023-11-18 22:30 +0100
          Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-11-19 13:10 +0100
        Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2023-11-19 05:40 +0100
          Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-19 06:50 +0100
        Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-11-19 13:00 +0100
          Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2023-11-19 17:20 +0100
      Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2023-11-19 17:00 +0100
        Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2023-11-19 19:00 +0100
      Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-21 04:50 +0100

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#260952 — Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
has been slowly been changed.
lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. 
Minor success.

also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
backups.

In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters 
and rearrange my copious folders.

Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
know little of the history and stability.

secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

thanks in advance.

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#260953

Am 15.08.2023 um 09:43:57 Uhr schrieb Peter Ehlert:

> Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
> the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
> know little of the history and stability.

One way is to use an IMAP server, move the mail to it, then move it to
a local mailbox again.
Maybe using Maildir is also possible.

> secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

Claws Mail supports filtering for Mail and Usenet.

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#260954

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 09:43:57 -0700
Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> wrote:

> I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
> has been slowly been changed.
> lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My
> Way. Minor success.
> 
> also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
> backups.
> 
> In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few
> filters and rearrange my copious folders.
> 
> Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?

I did that a few years ago. As you say, TB works, but it's so slow..

> the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
> know little of the history and stability.

It has bugs, but so does TB/anything. It's origins are slightly older
than TB, and Claws was forked from Sylpheed (which still exists and
might be worth a look) around the time TB began. I've had no more than
minor stability problems, and I'm mostly running sid. I also use it on
Windows, on the odd occasions I have to use that.
> 
> secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?
>
No. I use two heavily-polluted newsgroups, and have a number of filters
to deal with the problem, plus a few more for the more commons spam
emails.

It depends... it's a mail/newsreader, and that's about it. TB has
various extra bells and whistles, such as the calendar. Claws does have
quite a number of plug-ins, almost none of which I use, but they are
aimed at email processing, such as hooks to spamassassin and clamd.

I don't know how Claws performs on a single computer, I have an IMAP
server which stores the mail, and Claws opens and is ready for use on a
workstation in about a second. I see no reason why it should be any
slower with locally-stored mail, though Internet access is probably
a bit slower than local network access.

-- 
Joe

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#260955

On 16/8/23 00:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> 
> 
> I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
> has been slowly been changed.
> lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My Way. 
> Minor success.
> 
> also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
> backups.
> 
> In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters 
> and rearrange my copious folders.
> 
> Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
> the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
> know little of the history and stability.
> 
> secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?
> 
> thanks in advance.
> 

I use both email applications, separately for different email accounts.

I use claws mail for a minor email account, in which I may get one or 
two (or, if spammed, more) messages, each month.

I use Thunderbird for my primary email account, which can get many (a 
hundred, or, hundreds, depending on what is happening)messages, each day.

My use of Thunderbird, is basically as a webmail kind of application, 
over which, I have more control, than over something like horde or 
roundcube (that has been imposed to replace horde). At the end of each 
month (or, more frequently, depending on the number of messages left 
after preliminary sifting out of chaff), I download my incoming email, 
using the most powerful email application that I have encountered, 
alpine, that was evolved from pine. All my download email filtering, is 
done using alpine, with hundreds of filters, each with up to a couple of 
hundred different field values. I have several hundred or more, folders, 
for storing my downloaded messages, with some folders being archived on 
a monthly basis, depending on the usual volume of messages in each 
folder. My mail folder (the mail messages folder for alpine), is 
somewhere around 20GB, and contains messages up to about 20 years old.

Claws mail has an official users mailing list, which, I believe, is 
hosted and administered by the application developer, who also answers 
queries on the list.

Thunderbird email has no official users mailing list, but has two 
unofficial users mailing lists, hosted on groups.io, with a different 
priority for each mailing list, and, each of those lists, is run by 
volunteers, with no support on those lists, from Thunderbird or its 
developers. Thunderbird developers, and, the Thunderbird organisation, 
have yet to adapt to using email (it is a bit like the oxymoron 
"military intelligence", as referenced by the character played by Danny 
de Vito in the movie of that name - Thunderbird developers and the 
Thunderbird organisation, have so little regard for email, that they do 
not provide official users mailing lists, for announcements, providing 
support, etc - some of the operating systems, on which email 
applications run, such as Debian, and Ubuntu, are far more adept at 
using email - the Thunderbird organisation, has yet to come to terms 
with the use of email).

Oh, and, alpine has an official mailing list, involving the developer of 
alpine, who also provides answers to queries (and, considers development 
suggestions) made on that list.

So, the Thunderbird organisation is a bit backward...

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#260956

Consider evolution.

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#260959

On 16/8/23 03:48, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> Consider evolution.

I think evolution is one of the gnome applications, where the gnomes 
shut down all of the users' mailing lists - thence, instability.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#261324

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Hi,

On 15.08.23 21:48, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> Consider evolution.

Tried it. Used >6GB RAM.

.f

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#261008

On 8/15/23 12:13, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 16/8/23 00:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
>> has been slowly been changed.
>> lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
>> Way. Minor success.
>>
>> also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
>> backups.
>>
>> In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few 
>> filters and rearrange my copious folders.
>>
>> Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
>> the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
>> know little of the history and stability.
>>
>> secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?
>>
>> thanks in advance.
>>
>
> I use both email applications, separately for different email accounts.
>
> I use claws mail for a minor email account, in which I may get one or 
> two (or, if spammed, more) messages, each month.
>
> I use Thunderbird for my primary email account, which can get many (a 
> hundred, or, hundreds, depending on what is happening)messages, each day.
>
> My use of Thunderbird, is basically as a webmail kind of application, 
> over which, I have more control, than over something like horde or 
> roundcube (that has been imposed to replace horde). At the end of each 
> month (or, more frequently, depending on the number of messages left 
> after preliminary sifting out of chaff), I download my incoming email, 
> using the most powerful email application that I have encountered, 
> alpine, that was evolved from pine. All my download email filtering, 
> is done using alpine, with hundreds of filters, each with up to a 
> couple of hundred different field values. I have several hundred or 
> more, folders, for storing my downloaded messages, with some folders 
> being archived on a monthly basis, depending on the usual volume of 
> messages in each folder. My mail folder (the mail messages folder for 
> alpine), is somewhere around 20GB, and contains messages up to about 
> 20 years old.
>
> Claws mail has an official users mailing list, which, I believe, is 
> hosted and administered by the application developer, who also answers 
> queries on the list.
>
> Thunderbird email has no official users mailing list, but has two 
> unofficial users mailing lists, hosted on groups.io, with a different 
> priority for each mailing list, and, each of those lists, is run by 
> volunteers, with no support on those lists, from Thunderbird or its 
> developers. 

> Thunderbird developers, and, the Thunderbird organisation, have yet to 
> adapt to using email (it is a bit like the oxymoron "military 
> intelligence", as referenced by the character played by Danny de Vito 
> in the movie of that name - Thunderbird developers and the Thunderbird 
> organisation, have so little regard for email, that they do not 
> provide official users mailing lists, for announcements, providing 
> support, etc - some of the operating systems, on which email 
> applications run, such as Debian, and Ubuntu, are far more adept at 
> using email - the Thunderbird organisation, has yet to come to terms 
> with the use of email).
I find the lack of a mailing list rather ironic.
>
> Oh, and, alpine has an official mailing list, involving the developer 
> of alpine, who also provides answers to queries (and, considers 
> development suggestions) made on that list.
>
> So, the Thunderbird organisation is a bit backward...
>
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..............
>
>

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#261010

On 19/8/23 21:49, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> 

<snip>

>>
>> Claws mail has an official users mailing list, which, I believe, is 
>> hosted and administered by the application developer, who also answers 
>> queries on the list.
>>
>> Thunderbird email has no official users mailing list, but has two 
>> unofficial users mailing lists, hosted on groups.io, with a different 
>> priority for each mailing list, and, each of those lists, is run by 
>> volunteers, with no support on those lists, from Thunderbird or its 
>> developers. 
> 
>> Thunderbird developers, and, the Thunderbird organisation, have yet to 
>> adapt to using email (it is a bit like the oxymoron "military 
>> intelligence", as referenced by the character played by Danny de Vito 
>> in the movie of that name - Thunderbird developers and the Thunderbird 
>> organisation, have so little regard for email, that they do not 
>> provide official users mailing lists, for announcements, providing 
>> support, etc - some of the operating systems, on which email 
>> applications run, such as Debian, and Ubuntu, are far more adept at 
>> using email - the Thunderbird organisation, has yet to come to terms 
>> with the use of email).
> I find the lack of a mailing list rather ironic.
>>

I think that is rather a euphemistic way of putting it...

:)

It is a bit like
"What operating system do you use at home?"
MS Windows developers: "Linux, of course. Windows? You've got to be joking!"

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#260963

On 15/08/2023 23:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
> has been slowly been changed.

I think, Thunderbird will be upgraded to version 115 soon in Debian 
stable. Major changes of default UI have been announced. I have not 
tried it, so I can not say it is really more convenient or not. It is 
possible to switch to current UI style, but I am unsure if any bugs will 
be fixed. Just a warning for those who are sensitive to changes of UI. 
 From my point of view traditional UI of Thunderbird may be improved, 
but I am unsure that particular issues are addressed in new UI.

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#261009

On 8/15/23 19:20, Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 15/08/2023 23:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>> I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
>> has been slowly been changed.
>
> I think, Thunderbird will be upgraded to version 115 soon in Debian 
> stable. Major changes of default UI have been announced. 

We got 115 in Sid a couple days ago.

"lipstick on a pig" comes to mind

> I have not tried it, so I can not say it is really more convenient or 
> not. It is possible to switch to current UI style, but I am unsure if 
> any bugs will be fixed. 
there was a Zoom meeting hosted by the Thunderbird guys... I sat in and 
asked a couple questions... They were very clear that 115 is cosmetic 
only and does not address anything else.
They did acknowledge the problem with the massive .msf file problem. 
they had no idea if/when that may be corrected
> Just a warning for those who are sensitive to changes of UI. From my 
> point of view traditional UI of Thunderbird may be improved, but I am 
> unsure that particular issues are addressed in new UI.
>
>

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#263660 — Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

thread back from the dead:
first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions

I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too.
Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will suffice.

My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help me, 
Kudos to webmasters dot com

IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know 
who to trust

I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue.

Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages 
on the server?

On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>
>
> I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
> has been slowly been changed.
> lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
> Way. Minor success.
>
> also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
> backups.
>
> In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters 
> and rearrange my copious folders.
>
> Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
> the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
> know little of the history and stability.
>
> secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?
>
> thanks in advance.
>

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#263661 — Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

damn! I forgot... not able to receive on my POP mail accounts!
now using the hateful Gmail...
maybe that's why Thunderbird can't use a mailing list, they don't trust 
their own email app. Eff Them!

On 11/18/23 08:58, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> thread back from the dead:
> first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions
>
> I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too.
> Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will 
> suffice.
>
> My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help 
> me, Kudos to webmasters dot com
>
> IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know 
> who to trust
>
> I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue.
>
> Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages 
> on the server?
>
> On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
>> has been slowly been changed.
>> lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
>> Way. Minor success.
>>
>> also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
>> backups.
>>
>> In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few 
>> filters and rearrange my copious folders.
>>
>> Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
>> the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
>> know little of the history and stability.
>>
>> secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?
>>
>> thanks in advance.
>>

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#263695 — Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

pardon the top posting.
I made a minor change to the security settings that Webmasters omitted 
(or said Not to do) in their documentation for the security upgrades on 
their servers, and it's working again. a couple thousand messages to 
clean and sort, but my will filters do 97% of that.
  I will message their support and help them correct their error.
thanks for listening.
Peter Ehlert

On 11/18/23 09:06, peter ehlert wrote:
> damn! I forgot... not able to receive on my POP mail accounts!
> now using the hateful Gmail...
> maybe that's why Thunderbird can't use a mailing list, they don't trust 
> their own email app. Eff Them!
> 
> On 11/18/23 08:58, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>> thread back from the dead:
>> first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions
>>
>> I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too.
>> Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will 
>> suffice.
>>
>> My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help 
>> me, Kudos to webmasters dot com
>>
>> IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know 
>> who to trust
>>
>> I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue.
>>
>> Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages 
>> on the server?
>>
>> On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
>>> has been slowly been changed.
>>> lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
>>> Way. Minor success.
>>>
>>> also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
>>> backups.
>>>
>>> In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few 
>>> filters and rearrange my copious folders.
>>>
>>> Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
>>> the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
>>> know little of the history and stability.
>>>
>>> secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?
>>>
>>> thanks in advance.
>>>

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#263664 — Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

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On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:58:41 -0800
Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> wrote:

> Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave
> messages on the server?

That's why IMAP exists to begin with. IMAP was made to make it possible
for multiple clients to manage the same mailbox[1].

IMAP clients will therefore keep messages on the IMAP server and not
delete them unless you specifically tell them to, for example via
right-click -> delete.


[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP
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#263674 — Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

On 19/11/23 01:59, Alex wrote:
> IMAP clients will therefore keep messages on the IMAP server and not 
> delete them unless you specifically tell them to, for example via 
> right-click -> delete. 


A client can also alter messages retained on a server or event insert 
new messages. This is interesting in computer forensics.

It means that if an email is on a server e.g. hotmail or gmail, it has 
no probative value unless supported by other evidence such as server 
records, digital signatures,  or corroborating evidence on other systems.

In my professional cyber-forensic practice I have tested just how much 
you can alter in an email on a server. The answer is essentially 
everything. All headers, dates, content etc.

Server records of email receipt are usually transient so after a few 
months they can no longer be used as corroboration.

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#263675 — Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

On 19/11/23 08:04, jeremy ardley wrote:
>
> On 19/11/23 01:59, Alex wrote:
>> IMAP clients will therefore keep messages on the IMAP server and not 
>> delete them unless you specifically tell them to, for example via 
>> right-click -> delete. 
>
>
> A client can also alter messages retained on a server or event insert 
> new messages. This is interesting in computer forensics.
>
> It means that if an email is on a server e.g. hotmail or gmail, it has 
> no probative value unless supported by other evidence such as server 
> records, digital signatures,  or corroborating evidence on other systems.
>
> In my professional cyber-forensic practice I have tested just how much 
> you can alter in an email on a server. The answer is essentially 
> everything. All headers, dates, content etc.
>
> Server records of email receipt are usually transient so after a few 
> months they can no longer be used as corroboration.
>

Incidentally, I am using gmail for this list. They have made a recent(?) 
change so that an email that is sent to the debian list automatically 
gets a 'copy' in the inbox. In fact it's just a view of the sent email.

They then drop any copy received from the list, probably based on 
matching the email ID field (?)

 From a forensic perspective, gmail only ever stores one copy of an 
email based on its email ID. The altering emails on the server trick 
involves creating a modified copy with a different ID field, deleting 
the original email and so removing its ID from gmail, then altering the 
ID of the copy to the original ID.

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#263666 — Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:58:41 -0800
Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> wrote:

> thread back from the dead:
> first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions
> 
> I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too.
> Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will
> suffice.
> 
> My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help
> me, Kudos to webmasters dot com
> 
> IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't
> know who to trust
> 
> I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue.
> 
> Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave
> messages on the server?

Yes, IMAP is server-oriented, POP3 is single-client oriented. It's not
unusual for me to have my IMAP account open in more than one client
simultaneously.

If you're having problems, it may be to do with the email policy in use
at the server, mostly password authentication.

Standard IMAP port is 143, encrypted is 993 though often 143 will also
accept encryption.

If this area is likely to be the issue, try telnet to the IMAP server
using port 143, you should get back a list of capabilities which may
help. Oddly, though I'm using port 993 to my local server, it does not
return any information from that port, only on 143. Presumably this is
to assist security.

$ telnet myserver 143
Trying 192.168.xx.yy
Connected to myserver.
Escape character is '^]'.
* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE
IDLE STARTTLS AUTH=PLAIN] Dovecot ready.

Any mention of SSL, TLS or AUTH is likely to be important.

> 
> On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the
> > GUI has been slowly been changed.
> > lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
> > Way. Minor success.
> >
> > also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and
> > easy backups.
> >
> > In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few
> > filters and rearrange my copious folders.
> >
> > Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
> > the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but
> > I know little of the history and stability.

It goes back a couple of decades, and was originally a fork of
Sylpheed, which also still exists.

I've used it for at least five years, when I started to find TB too
bloated and slow. I never used its calendar, I have an SQL-based
calendar. 

Claws gets occasional bugs, irritating rather than serious e.g.
currently, selecting an email in the list marks it as read, which is not
always what I want, and is not normal behaviour. IMAP does folders,
something that POP3 clients simulate but which really exist on an IMAP
server, and I often want to drag an email to a folder while leaving it
marked unread. It will get fixed.

> >
> > secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

No, I'm using quite a lot of filters on two Usenet groups in mine.

Claws cannot compose HTML emails, which may be a showstopper for you.
It can display HTML, though I always use plain text. If I really need
to see HTML, such as when an unsubscribe link is buried in 100K of
useless markup, I use a webmail client. I hate webmail.

-- 
Joe

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#263670 — Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:20:49 +0000
Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

> Claws cannot compose HTML emails, which may be a showstopper for you.
> It can display HTML, though I always use plain text. If I really need
> to see HTML, such as when an unsubscribe link is buried in 100K of
> useless markup, I use a webmail client. I hate webmail.

Instead of the webmail client:

To the right of the message body, or just above it, you can see the
various parts of a MIME message. Right click (mouse 3, typically) on
the entry for the HTML part of the email. Click on "display as text".
That usually displays the link correctly.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

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#263692 — Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:26:59 -0700
Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:20:49 +0000
> Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
> 
> > Claws cannot compose HTML emails, which may be a showstopper for
> > you. It can display HTML, though I always use plain text. If I
> > really need to see HTML, such as when an unsubscribe link is buried
> > in 100K of useless markup, I use a webmail client. I hate webmail.
> 
> Instead of the webmail client:
> 
> To the right of the message body, or just above it, you can see the
> various parts of a MIME message. Right click (mouse 3, typically) on
> the entry for the HTML part of the email. Click on "display as text".
> That usually displays the link correctly.
> 

OK, I'll try that. I always knew HTML display as a menu item, which is
not there now. I assumed I didn't add the HTML plugin when I last
reinstalled, to a new (refurbished) computer, about two years ago. It
shows how often I need it.

-- 
Joe

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