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Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

From Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?
Date 2022-01-22 20:40 +0100
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On 22.01.22 15:24, songbird wrote:
> Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> ...
>> When this topic came up i googled around for learning about the actual
>> conflict.
>> This mail by Norbert Preining
>>
>>    https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00032.html
>>
>> describes his view on his demotion from Debian Developer to Debian
>> Maintainer by the  Debian Account Mangers (DAM) initiated by the
>> Anti Harassment team (AH, now Community team).
>> His mail quotes some of their mails. The follow-ups contain replies by
>> the other side of this conflict.
>>
>> I think the further deterioration of his relation with Debian stems from
>> there, but i did not explore 900 matches of
>>
>>    https://lists.debian.org/cgi-bin/search?P=Norbert+Preining&DEFAULTOP=or&B=Gdebian-project&SORT=&HITSPERPAGE=10
>>
>>
>> Have a nice day :)
> 
>    excellent reply and pretty much my own feelings on the matter
> too.  :)
> 
>    if people want to keep trolling on the matter it's all fine with
> me but it doubtful it will shed any more light in relation to how
> much heat it will give off for not much gain.
> 
> 
>    songbird
> 

Asking for transparency to sound like trolling wasn't my intention. I am 
sorry if I wasn't able to find the correct wording for keeping these to 
things distinguishable.

Being a grateful user of Debian, and being in my circle of influence a 
strong advocate of the Debian project, and also of the KDE Plasma 
desktop environment as available in Debian, I do not feel it to be, lets 
say, insolent, if interested in community affairs. Actually, I feel it 
desirable to stay well informed for reinforcing advocacy, and asking for 
transparency is to me a coherent step.

I feel that a concise statement from Debian insiders would gain a lot to 
not provoke avoidable discussions and would right away defeat heat given 
off obstructively.
As Thomas pointed out, there are hundreds of posts from years old 
discussions which appear to be the prelude to the current situation. 
Some of these public discussions have been quite controversial, partly 
also questioning if community processes are always taking place 
sufficiently transparent. Currently I find only a public statement from 
one party. This could harm the Debian project. Some concise statement 
from somebody in the Debian project with insights into the issue could 
prevent Debian from bad repute by declassifying which are the positions 
of the present disagreement.

Best wishes,
Marco

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Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2022-01-15 11:30 +0100
  Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2022-01-15 13:40 +0100
  Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2022-01-16 17:20 +0100
    Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-16 22:40 +0100
      Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? harryweaver@tutanota.com - 2022-01-17 01:10 +0100
        Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-17 23:20 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? harryweaver@tutanota.com - 2022-01-17 23:30 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2022-01-18 00:00 +0100
              Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2022-01-18 00:10 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-18 00:10 +0100
      Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2022-01-22 14:00 +0100
        Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-01-22 14:50 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2022-01-22 15:30 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2022-01-22 20:40 +0100
              [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-23 00:30 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2022-01-23 19:50 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2022-01-23 20:20 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-23 21:10 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-01-23 21:10 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 21:20 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2022-01-23 21:40 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Jim Popovitch <jim@k4vqc.com> - 2022-01-23 21:50 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-23 23:00 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? RP <reyadmin@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 00:10 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2022-01-24 00:40 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 01:00 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2022-01-24 01:30 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 02:20 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 03:50 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-24 04:20 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-24 03:50 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-24 22:10 +0100
              Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 09:30 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 12:30 +0100
                "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth  (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2022-01-23 12:40 +0100
                Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name"  myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left  Debian?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2022-01-23 13:00 +0100
                Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name"  myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left  Debian?) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-01-23 15:00 +0100
                Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth  (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 21:00 +0100
                Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth  (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 13:00 +0100
              Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-01-23 11:10 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 11:40 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 11:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 12:20 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2022-01-23 16:40 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-01-23 17:10 +0100
              Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 11:10 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-23 11:20 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 11:40 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-23 13:00 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 13:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2022-01-23 13:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 13:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 15:00 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-23 14:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 12:10 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-23 15:00 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 21:10 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 20:40 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? RP <reyadmin@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 20:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-25 00:30 +0100
        Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? max  <maxwillb@mailfence.com> - 2022-01-24 01:40 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? RP <reyadmin@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 01:50 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 02:30 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 03:50 +0100
              Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? max  <maxwillb@mailfence.com> - 2022-01-24 04:30 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? max  <maxwillb@mailfence.com> - 2022-01-24 03:50 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 21:10 +0100
      Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2022-01-24 00:30 +0100
        Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left  Debian? max  <maxwillb@mailfence.com> - 2022-01-24 11:00 +0100
          Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left  Debian? harryweaver@tutanota.com - 2022-01-24 11:10 +0100
          Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-24 12:50 +0100
            [CODE OF CONDUCT REMINDER - WAS Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining  (having maintained KDE) left Debian?] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-24 18:00 +0100
              Re: [CODE OF CONDUCT REMINDER - WAS Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining  (having maintained KDE) left Debian?] Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2022-01-24 18:40 +0100
                Re: [CODE OF CONDUCT REMINDER - WAS Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining  (having maintained KDE) left Debian?] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 19:10 +0100
                Re: [CODE OF CONDUCT REMINDER - WAS Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining  (having maintained KDE) left Debian?] RP <reyadmin@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 19:10 +0100
                Re: [CODE OF CONDUCT REMINDER - WAS Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining  (having maintained KDE) left Debian?] Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2022-01-24 19:10 +0100
        Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@pimeys.fr> - 2022-01-24 22:00 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2022-01-25 01:30 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-25 07:40 +0100

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