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Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

From Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?
Date 2022-01-23 11:20 +0100
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deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> wrote on 23/01/2022 at 10:52:48+0100:

> Marco Möller wrote:
>
>> Asking for transparency to sound like trolling wasn't my intention. I am
>> sorry if I wasn't able to find the correct wording for keeping these to
>> things distinguishable.
>> 
>> Being a grateful user of Debian, and being in my circle of influence a
>> strong advocate of the Debian project, and also of the KDE Plasma
>> desktop environment as available in Debian, I do not feel it to be, lets
>> say, insolent, if interested in community affairs. Actually, I feel it
>> desirable to stay well informed for reinforcing advocacy, and asking for
>> transparency is to me a coherent step.
>> 
>> I feel that a concise statement from Debian insiders would gain a lot to
>> not provoke avoidable discussions and would right away defeat heat given
>> off obstructively.
>> As Thomas pointed out, there are hundreds of posts from years old
>> discussions which appear to be the prelude to the current situation.
>> Some of these public discussions have been quite controversial, partly
>> also questioning if community processes are always taking place
>> sufficiently transparent. Currently I find only a public statement from
>> one party. This could harm the Debian project. Some concise statement
>> from somebody in the Debian project with insights into the issue could
>> prevent Debian from bad repute by declassifying which are the positions
>> of the present disagreement.
>
> Looking into the details to me it seems exactly as expected. The liberal
> **** hijacked Debian as they did and do routinely with many other
> organizations. So now the Communist Party of Debian can rule with CoC.
> Great job - makes me feel proud of Debian (ironically).
> And I can imagine what will happen in the future. Debian will become like
> many other companies a victim of its CoC where it is not important to
> provide good software but to comply with what the communist party elite
> says. This is a pandemic for itself.
> I will be not surprised if I replace debian with something else in the
> future. Not because I care that much about the **** CoC, but because the
> ideologically motivated organization will not be able to deliver the
> expected quality.

Thanks for sharing this masterpiece of rhetoric, intellect and
understanding about how things work in Debian.

This was enlightening.

-- 
PEB

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Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2022-01-15 11:30 +0100
  Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2022-01-15 13:40 +0100
  Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2022-01-16 17:20 +0100
    Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-16 22:40 +0100
      Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? harryweaver@tutanota.com - 2022-01-17 01:10 +0100
        Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-17 23:20 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? harryweaver@tutanota.com - 2022-01-17 23:30 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2022-01-18 00:00 +0100
              Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2022-01-18 00:10 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-18 00:10 +0100
      Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2022-01-22 14:00 +0100
        Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2022-01-22 14:50 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2022-01-22 15:30 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2022-01-22 20:40 +0100
              [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-23 00:30 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2022-01-23 19:50 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2022-01-23 20:20 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-23 21:10 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-01-23 21:10 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 21:20 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2022-01-23 21:40 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Jim Popovitch <jim@k4vqc.com> - 2022-01-23 21:50 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-23 23:00 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? RP <reyadmin@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 00:10 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2022-01-24 00:40 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 01:00 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? local10 <local10@tutanota.com> - 2022-01-24 01:30 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 02:20 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 03:50 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-24 04:20 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-24 03:50 +0100
                Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having  maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-24 22:10 +0100
              Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 09:30 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 12:30 +0100
                "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth  (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2022-01-23 12:40 +0100
                Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name"  myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left  Debian?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2022-01-23 13:00 +0100
                Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name"  myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left  Debian?) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-01-23 15:00 +0100
                Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth  (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 21:00 +0100
                Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth  (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 13:00 +0100
              Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-01-23 11:10 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 11:40 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 11:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 12:20 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2022-01-23 16:40 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-01-23 17:10 +0100
              Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 11:10 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-23 11:20 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 11:40 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-23 13:00 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 13:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2022-01-23 13:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 13:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-23 15:00 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-23 14:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 12:10 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-23 15:00 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-23 21:10 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 20:40 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? RP <reyadmin@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 20:50 +0100
                Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-25 00:30 +0100
        Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? max  <maxwillb@mailfence.com> - 2022-01-24 01:40 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? RP <reyadmin@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 01:50 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 02:30 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 03:50 +0100
              Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? max  <maxwillb@mailfence.com> - 2022-01-24 04:30 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? max  <maxwillb@mailfence.com> - 2022-01-24 03:50 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 21:10 +0100
      Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2022-01-24 00:30 +0100
        Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left  Debian? max  <maxwillb@mailfence.com> - 2022-01-24 11:00 +0100
          Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left  Debian? harryweaver@tutanota.com - 2022-01-24 11:10 +0100
          Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2022-01-24 12:50 +0100
            [CODE OF CONDUCT REMINDER - WAS Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining  (having maintained KDE) left Debian?] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-24 18:00 +0100
              Re: [CODE OF CONDUCT REMINDER - WAS Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining  (having maintained KDE) left Debian?] Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2022-01-24 18:40 +0100
                Re: [CODE OF CONDUCT REMINDER - WAS Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining  (having maintained KDE) left Debian?] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-24 19:10 +0100
                Re: [CODE OF CONDUCT REMINDER - WAS Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining  (having maintained KDE) left Debian?] RP <reyadmin@gmail.com> - 2022-01-24 19:10 +0100
                Re: [CODE OF CONDUCT REMINDER - WAS Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining  (having maintained KDE) left Debian?] Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2022-01-24 19:10 +0100
        Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@pimeys.fr> - 2022-01-24 22:00 +0100
          Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2022-01-25 01:30 +0100
            Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-01-25 07:40 +0100

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