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  Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-02-26 19:30 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2025-02-26 19:40 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Marvin Renich <mrvn@renich.org> - 2025-02-26 21:40 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2025-02-26 22:10 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2025-02-27 12:10 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Andrea Pappacoda" <tachi@debian.org> - 2025-02-26 20:00 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2025-02-26 20:20 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2025-02-26 21:10 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jeremy Sowden <azazel@debian.org> - 2025-02-27 00:10 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Andrej Shadura" <andrewsh@debian.org> - 2025-02-27 09:40 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-02-27 10:30 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2025-02-27 12:40 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Blair Noctis <ncts@debian.org> - 2025-02-27 12:10 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2025-02-27 12:20 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Andrej Shadura" <andrew@shadura.me> - 2025-02-27 13:50 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2025-02-27 14:10 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-02-27 14:50 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Aurélien COUDERC <libre@coucouf.fr> - 2025-02-27 15:40 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Andrej Shadura" <andrew@shadura.me> - 2025-02-27 16:10 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters thomas@goirand.fr - 2025-02-28 18:40 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jonathan McDowell <noodles@earth.li> - 2025-02-28 18:40 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Aurélien COUDERC <libre@coucouf.fr> - 2025-03-01 11:30 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Blair Noctis <ncts@debian.org> - 2025-03-02 14:10 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-02 14:10 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Stephan Verbücheln <verbuecheln@posteo.de> - 2025-03-02 15:20 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Andrea Pappacoda" <tachi@debian.org> - 2025-03-02 18:10 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Blair Noctis <ncts@debian.org> - 2025-03-02 18:50 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Tino Didriksen <tino@didriksen.cc> - 2025-02-27 13:00 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-02-27 13:30 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-02-27 14:50 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2025-02-27 14:40 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Aaron Rainbolt <arraybolt3@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 15:00 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2025-02-27 15:20 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-02-27 17:00 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2025-02-27 23:20 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Aaron Schrab <aaron@schrab.com> - 2025-02-27 23:20 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> - 2025-02-28 02:00 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2025-02-28 08:30 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2025-03-16 18:20 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2025-03-16 19:00 +0100
          BTS not unmangling quoting markers with format=flowed (was: Re:  Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters) Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2025-03-18 01:00 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-02-27 17:50 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-02-27 18:40 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-02-28 03:40 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-02-28 09:30 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-02-28 17:50 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Andrea Pappacoda" <tachi@debian.org> - 2025-02-28 18:30 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-02-28 18:40 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-02-28 19:00 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2025-03-01 09:50 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-02 11:20 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-03-02 13:00 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Blair Noctis <ncts@debian.org> - 2025-03-02 18:40 +0100
                  Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-02 19:30 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Blair Noctis <ncts@debian.org> - 2025-03-02 14:20 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-02 19:10 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Andrea Pappacoda <andrea@pappacoda.it> - 2025-03-02 18:00 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-03 18:40 +0100
                  Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2025-03-03 20:50 +0100
                    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-03 21:40 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Otto Kekäläinen <otto@debian.org> - 2025-03-05 20:10 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Leandro Cunha <leandrocunha016@gmail.com> - 2025-03-05 20:20 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80  characters Thorsten Glaser <tg@debian.org> - 2025-03-08 00:30 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters IOhannes m zmölnig <umlaeute@debian.org> - 2025-03-08 09:00 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-02-27 22:20 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-02-28 09:40 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-02-28 18:00 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-03 18:40 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2025-03-03 19:40 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-03 20:10 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Roger Lynn <Roger@rilynn.me.uk> - 2025-03-03 23:30 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-03-04 13:10 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Stephan Verbücheln <verbuecheln@posteo.de> - 2025-03-03 21:30 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-03 21:40 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Henrik Ahlgren <pablo@seestieto.com> - 2025-03-03 22:20 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Andrea Pappacoda" <tachi@debian.org> - 2025-03-04 09:00 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Henrik Ahlgren <pablo@seestieto.com> - 2025-03-04 09:40 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-03-04 13:10 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Stephan Verbücheln <verbuecheln@posteo.de> - 2025-03-03 22:30 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-03 22:50 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2025-03-03 23:30 +0100
              Re: nerd-sniping [was: Change the expectation that emails should  wrap at 80 characters] Jeremy Sowden <azazel@debian.org> - 2025-03-03 23:50 +0100
                Re: nerd-sniping [was: Change the expectation that emails should  wrap at 80 characters] Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-03-04 11:50 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-03 23:50 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Stephan Verbücheln <verbuecheln@posteo.de> - 2025-03-04 08:00 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-03-04 13:10 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-03-04 13:10 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-04 21:00 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-03-05 01:00 +0100
                  Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2025-03-05 01:50 +0100
                    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-05 02:30 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-03-05 17:20 +0100
                  Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2025-03-05 18:30 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Stephan Verbücheln <verbuecheln@posteo.de> - 2025-03-15 11:10 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-15 18:30 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-03-06 07:20 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Henrik Ahlgren <pablo@seestieto.com> - 2025-03-06 08:20 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-03-07 11:10 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2025-03-07 16:20 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-06 14:50 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Giuseppe Sacco <eppesuig@debian.org> - 2025-03-06 15:00 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2025-03-07 00:20 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-03-07 09:00 +0100
    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-08 00:50 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-03-08 09:00 +0100
      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2025-03-09 00:30 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-09 02:00 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2025-03-09 06:50 +0100
          Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2025-03-09 22:20 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-09 22:40 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2025-03-10 10:40 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-03-09 22:50 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jonathan McDowell <noodles@earth.li> - 2025-03-09 23:00 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-03-10 01:40 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Julien Plissonneau Duquène <sre4ever@free.fr> - 2025-03-10 11:10 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2025-03-10 11:30 +0100
              please do not use text/markdown Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2025-03-10 11:20 +0100
                Re: please do not use text/markdown Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2025-03-10 12:30 +0100
                  Re: please do not use text/markdown Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2025-03-10 13:20 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2025-03-10 14:50 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-03-10 17:00 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-03-10 17:10 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2025-03-10 11:30 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Stephan Verbücheln <verbuecheln@posteo.de> - 2025-03-10 12:40 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Blair Noctis <ncts@debian.org> - 2025-03-10 13:20 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-03-10 17:10 +0100
            Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-14 22:50 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2025-03-15 11:00 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-15 18:30 +0100
                  Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2025-03-15 21:00 +0100
                  Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Christoph Berg <myon@debian.org> - 2025-03-15 21:50 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Antonio Terceiro <terceiro@debian.org> - 2025-03-15 15:50 +0100
                Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-15 15:50 +0100
                  Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters "Andrea Pappacoda" <andrea@pappacoda.it> - 2025-03-15 19:20 +0100
                    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-15 20:20 +0100
                  Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Stephan Verbücheln <verbuecheln@posteo.de> - 2025-03-15 20:00 +0100
                  Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Carsten Schoenert <c.schoenert@t-online.de> - 2025-03-16 15:20 +0100
                    Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org> - 2025-03-16 18:50 +0100
                      Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2025-03-16 20:10 +0100
              Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-03-15 20:20 +0100
        Re: Change the expectation that emails should wrap at 80 characters Julien Plissonneau Duquène <sre4ever@free.fr> - 2025-03-09 12:30 +0100

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#116229

Hello James,

Il giorno mer, 05/03/2025 alle 21.32 -0800, James Lu ha scritto:
> Hi all,
> On 2025-02-26 10:21, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> > 
> > I started thinking about this a few weeks ago when I received an email 
> > from a Debian Developer complaining that replies from my email client 
> > (KMail) looked odd because they truncated quoted lines in a way that did
> > not lay out pleasingly.  This was because I had set KMail to wrap lines 
> > at 80 characters.
> > 
> 
> I see this too with a lot of ML posts - mails are wrapped in a way such 
> that the text only takes up a third of my monitor. This is one of those 
> things where the more I notice it, the more it annoys me :/
[...]

I think that even for emails, the line length should be kept at a reasonable
value in order to maximize the readability. Such value is usually lower than
80, as shown, for example, in
https://baymard.com/blog/line-length-readability . I do have a large screen,
but I keep my email/text editors quite narrow in order to allow less than
100 characters per line. Of course YMMV.

Bye,
Giuseppe

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On Thu, 06 Mar 2025 14:53:07 +0100, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:

>I think that even for emails, the line length should be kept at a reasonable
>value in order to maximize the readability. Such value is usually lower than
>80, as shown, for example, in
>https://baymard.com/blog/line-length-readability . I do have a large screen,
>but I keep my email/text editors quite narrow in order to allow less than
>100 characters per line. Of course YMMV.

Thank you for this link.
I've been thinking about describing my personal experiences for some 
days but this web page explains it much better than I could have 
written it myself:

Following long lines and than backtracking to the next line is 
tedious for me; and if I have to turn my head right and left I'm much 
more prone to just delete a mail than to follow through and complete 
reading the whole text. -- There's a reason why texts in newspapers 
are typically in columns and not across the whole page.

I acknowledge that there are people in Debian whose neck and eyes 
are better than mine, and who have less knowledge about email 
customs, and who use broken MUAs, and who want me to adjust my 
terminal size but I'd like to note anyway that I'm not supporting any 
change in the recommendations for Debian mailing lists, and I'll keep 
ignoring unreadable emails in the future.

And I'd also like to thank people who pushed me into exploring 
format=flowed in MUAs and editors further. I enjoy(ed) experimenting 
with these things :)


Cheers,
gregor

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Quoting gregor herrmann (2025-03-07 00:14:19)
> On Thu, 06 Mar 2025 14:53:07 +0100, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:
> 
> >I think that even for emails, the line length should be kept at a reasonable
> >value in order to maximize the readability. Such value is usually lower than
> >80, as shown, for example, in
> >https://baymard.com/blog/line-length-readability . I do have a large screen,
> >but I keep my email/text editors quite narrow in order to allow less than
> >100 characters per line. Of course YMMV.
> 
> Thank you for this link.

For completeness sake, I recommend to take newer research into account,
which a) questions if longer lines generally harms reading due to flaws
in especially one major research project from 2029, and b) points at
printed and digital texts affecting readability differently:
https://designregression.com/article/line-length-revisited-following-the-research

Despite long lines possibly not really *generally* hampering
readability, some of us *are* helped by following the typographic
conventions of 50-70 chars per line, be it due to e.g. dyslexia or
simply years of training our reading skills with print style texts.

Yes, some of us are younger, which quite likely means that reading
skills have been trained to a larger degree on online media than on
printed books, i.e. less commonly following typographic conventions
and therefore potentially more fluent in processing long lines.

Søren proposes to simply not wrap when composing. That helps reading on
narrow width devices, but harms reading on conventional MUAs expecting
less than 80 chars per line, and harms reading on wide width devices for
some of us. Sure we can then tell folks to change MUA and to resize
their windows, but that is not nice to impose of human beings, being
creatures of habit.

I favor the proposal of continuing to follow the convention of wrapping
below 80 chars per line, and ecourage the use of f=f. That helps those
stock in the 90s, either mentally or through their choice of arcane MUA,
but harms those with large width MUAs and skilled reading long lines,
and those reading emails on narrow width devices. But only the
(allegedly large) subset of those users who use MUAs not supporting f=f.


> Following long lines and than backtracking to the next line is 
> tedious for me; and if I have to turn my head right and left I'm much 
> more prone to just delete a mail than to follow through and complete 
> reading the whole text. -- There's a reason why texts in newspapers 
> are typically in columns and not across the whole page.
> I acknowledge that there are people in Debian whose neck and eyes 
> are better than mine, and who have less knowledge about email 
> customs, and who use broken MUAs, and who want me to adjust my 
> terminal size but I'd like to note anyway that I'm not supporting any 
> change in the recommendations for Debian mailing lists, and I'll keep 
> ignoring unreadable emails in the future.

Yes, arguably the issue of non-wrapped text causing too long lines is a
luxury problem that can be addressed by simply changing window size.
But that is asking creatures of habit to change habits, which is a lot.

Interestingly, I see this as a combined social and technical issue, and
since we are hackers, I favor that we try explore the option of hacking
our tools, before giving up and instead impose pressure on the habits of
our peers (because obviously *my* habits are a priority, it must be the
habits of others that need to change, right?).

Let us please continue to respect the ancient rules of email style,
and try explore format=flowed, which might be old too but evidently
not widely known prior to this thread!

 - Jonas

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At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a decision.

One way to do so would be a GR.  On one hand, using a GR to modify one line 
of the code of conduct for the mailing list seems like a rather large hammer 
for a rather small problem.  But on the other hand, many people feel strongly 
enough about this that a GR might be the only mechanism where people will 
feel like the outcome is fair.

My question is, is there any other decision making process that would be 
preferable to a GR to decide this issue?

-- 
Soren Stoutner
soren@debian.org

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On Fri, Mar 07, 2025 at 04:40:04PM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> My question is, is there any other decision making process that would be 
> preferable to a GR to decide this issue?

another outcome would be to leave things like they are. of course we could
have a GR to get to that result too.


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Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> writes:

> At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a decision.
>
> One way to do so would be a GR.  On one hand, using a GR to modify one line 
> of the code of conduct for the mailing list seems like a rather large hammer 
> for a rather small problem.  But on the other hand, many people feel strongly 
> enough about this that a GR might be the only mechanism where people will 
> feel like the outcome is fair.
>
> My question is, is there any other decision making process that would be 
> preferable to a GR to decide this issue?

You seem to be under the impression that there's an emerging consensus
in favour of your idea.

From my reading of this thread, the only real consensus seems to be that
format=flowed is a good idea (as a result of which I intend to persuade
my mail setup to generate that when I've got a moment).

I doubt that a GR is justified, especially if all it's going to end up
doing is adding a recommendation for format=flowed to the CoC that isn't
actually required for people to adopt the use of format=flowed.

Cheers, Phil.
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On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:
> Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> writes:
> > At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a decision.
> > 
> > One way to do so would be a GR.  On one hand, using a GR to modify one line
> > of the code of conduct for the mailing list seems like a rather large hammer
> > for a rather small problem.  But on the other hand, many people feel
> > strongly
> > enough about this that a GR might be the only mechanism where people will
> > feel like the outcome is fair.
> > 
> > My question is, is there any other decision making process that would be
> > preferable to a GR to decide this issue?
> 
> You seem to be under the impression that there's an emerging consensus
> in favour of your idea.

Yes, I feel like there are a majority of Debian Developers who are in favor of making the 
change that I propose, partially based on the number of people who have commented 
only once in the conversation with a short message in favor of the change.  I also see a 
small number of Debian Developers who are strongly opposed to the change.

I think those who are against the change feel much more strongly about their position 
than those who are for the change, but my sense is that if it goes to a GR vote the change 
will pass.

-- 
Soren Stoutner
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#116317

On 2025-03-09 Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> wrote:
> On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:
[...]
> > You seem to be under the impression that there's an emerging consensus
> > in favour of your idea.

> Yes, I feel like there are a majority of Debian Developers who are in favor of making the 
> change that I propose, partially based on the number of people who have commented 
> only once in the conversation with a short message in favor of the change.  I also see a 
> small number of Debian Developers who are strongly opposed to the change.

> I think those who are against the change feel much more strongly about their position 
> than those who are for the change, but my sense is that if it goes to a GR vote the change 
> will pass.

Personally I could not take a discussion about mail formatting seriously
which was proposed in badly formatted mails.

Great, you have now managed to make waste effort on this instead of
productive work.
cu Andreas

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#116346

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Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> writes:

> On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:
>> Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> writes:
>> > At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a decision.
>> > 
>> > One way to do so would be a GR.  On one hand, using a GR to modify one line
>> > of the code of conduct for the mailing list seems like a rather large hammer
>> > for a rather small problem.  But on the other hand, many people feel
>> > strongly
>> > enough about this that a GR might be the only mechanism where people will
>> > feel like the outcome is fair.
>> > 
>> > My question is, is there any other decision making process that would be
>> > preferable to a GR to decide this issue?
>> 
>> You seem to be under the impression that there's an emerging consensus
>> in favour of your idea.
>
> Yes, I feel like there are a majority of Debian Developers who are in favor of making the 
> change that I propose, partially based on the number of people who have commented 
> only once in the conversation with a short message in favor of the change.

OK, so that provoked me to check if it's my input filter that's
defective, or yours.

Having skimmed through the 106 mails I currently see in this thread,
this is the way I'd summarise people's preferences (if anyone sees that
I've mis-characterised their view, I promise it was not intentional, so
please forgive me and correct my mistake)

* Supporting the proposal

  Soren Stoutner
  Andrej Shadura
  Blair Noctis (as well as supporting format=flowed,
                or perhaps just anti-thunderbird)
  Tino Didriksen (or perhaps format=flowed)
  Otto Kekäläinen (or perhaps supporting Charles Plessy)

* Against the proposal

  Jeremy Stanley
  Marco d'Itri
  Bastian Blank
  Jeremy Sowden
  The Wanderer
  Giuseppe Sacco
  gregor herrmann (while suporting format=flowed)
  Andreas Metzler

* Advocating Format=flowed

  Andrea Pappacoda
  Jonathan Dowland
  Timo Röhling
  Aurélien COUDERC
  Colin Watson
  Aaron Rainbolt
  Jeremy Stanley
  Wookey
  Philipp Kern
  Roger Lynn (somewhat)
  Jonas Smedegaard
  Philip Hands
  Julien Plissonneau Duquène

* Unclear

  Marvin Renich
  Vincent Lefevre (seems against though)
  Thomas Goirand
  Jonathan McDowell
  Marc Haber (but perhaps against everything ;-) )
  Stephan Verbücheln
  Holger Levsen (with strong hints of against)
  Aaron Schrab
  Bjørn Mork
  Charles Plessy (suggesting complaints should be off-list)
  Mario Limonciello (hints of format=flowed support)
  Leandro Cunha
  Thorsten Glaser (seems against though)
  IOhannes m zmölnig (perhaps a supporter)
  Stephan Verbücheln (against? at least against mixed HTML)
  Henrik Ahlgren
  Russ Allbery
  James Lu
  Andrey Rakhmatullin

I would sumarise that as follows:

  In favour:          5  (including yourself)
                     +2  (possibly)

  Against:            8
                     +5  (possibly)

  for Format=Flowed: 13

Of the 13 F=F folk, several also lean against the proposal to some extent.

I may be over-counting your supporters (given the notes by them).

Perhaps I'm neglecting to count some of the pro-F=F folk as also being
in support of you, because I mis-read their mails or some such.

Regardless, it seems clear that you are suffering from confirmation bias.

It would be nice if you could take that into account to some extent.

Cheers, Phil.
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#116347

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On 2025-03-09 at 17:13, Philip Hands wrote:

> Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> writes:
> 
>> On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:

>>> You seem to be under the impression that there's an emerging
>>> consensus in favour of your idea.
>> 
>> Yes, I feel like there are a majority of Debian Developers who are
>> in favor of making the change that I propose, partially based on
>> the number of people who have commented only once in the
>> conversation with a short message in favor of the change.
> 
> OK, so that provoked me to check if it's my input filter that's 
> defective, or yours.
> 
> Having skimmed through the 106 mails I currently see in this thread, 
> this is the way I'd summarise people's preferences (if anyone sees
> that I've mis-characterised their view, I promise it was not
> intentional, so please forgive me and correct my mistake)

<snip>

> * Against the proposal

<snip>

> The Wanderer

To be fair, while I *am* against the proposal, I'm also not a Debian
Developer - just an interested observer of, and occasional participant
in, discussions on Debian mailing lists (including this one).

How many of the others you listed are vs. are not Debian Developers I
don't know, but it seems possible that that might change the calculation
somewhat.

(FWIW, I'm also not against format=flowed, but am unlikely to take any
action regarding using it myself; I remember specifically taking action
to *disable* it on my end at some point in the past, although I can't
remember whether that was on the viewing end or on the sending end, nor
can I specifically remember why. I just remember that it was producing
problematic line-wrapping-related behavior in some contexts.)

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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#116355

The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> writes:

> To be fair, while I *am* against the proposal, I'm also not a Debian
> Developer - just an interested observer of, and occasional participant
> in, discussions on Debian mailing lists (including this one).

+1

and to clarify my view on format=flowed:

This should not be made part of any policy document at this time.

An informal recommendation of this feature is more likely to confuse
than help users. Application support is limited.  My impression is that
the config setting often is hard to find, if available at all.  And some
format=flowed implementations are too buggy to be usable.

Those who know they can send properly formatted format=flowed emails
should of course be allowed to do so. It is harmless and might improve
readability for a few recepients.

But I'm not a DD, so my views are completely irrelevant wrt discussions
of a possible GR.


Bjørn

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#116348

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Quoting Philip Hands (2025-03-09 22:13:51)
> Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> writes:
> 
> > On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:
> >> Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> writes:
> >> > At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a decision.
> >> > 
> >> > One way to do so would be a GR.  On one hand, using a GR to modify one line
> >> > of the code of conduct for the mailing list seems like a rather large hammer
> >> > for a rather small problem.  But on the other hand, many people feel
> >> > strongly
> >> > enough about this that a GR might be the only mechanism where people will
> >> > feel like the outcome is fair.
> >> > 
> >> > My question is, is there any other decision making process that would be
> >> > preferable to a GR to decide this issue?
> >> 
> >> You seem to be under the impression that there's an emerging consensus
> >> in favour of your idea.
> >
> > Yes, I feel like there are a majority of Debian Developers who are in favor of making the 
> > change that I propose, partially based on the number of people who have commented 
> > only once in the conversation with a short message in favor of the change.
> 
> OK, so that provoked me to check if it's my input filter that's
> defective, or yours.
> 
> Having skimmed through the 106 mails I currently see in this thread,
> this is the way I'd summarise people's preferences (if anyone sees that
> I've mis-characterised their view, I promise it was not intentional, so
> please forgive me and correct my mistake)
> 
> * Supporting the proposal
> 
>   Soren Stoutner
>   Andrej Shadura
>   Blair Noctis (as well as supporting format=flowed,
>                 or perhaps just anti-thunderbird)
>   Tino Didriksen (or perhaps format=flowed)
>   Otto Kekäläinen (or perhaps supporting Charles Plessy)
> 
> * Against the proposal
> 
>   Jeremy Stanley
>   Marco d'Itri
>   Bastian Blank
>   Jeremy Sowden
>   The Wanderer
>   Giuseppe Sacco
>   gregor herrmann (while suporting format=flowed)
>   Andreas Metzler
> 
> * Advocating Format=flowed
> 
>   Andrea Pappacoda
>   Jonathan Dowland
>   Timo Röhling
>   Aurélien COUDERC
>   Colin Watson
>   Aaron Rainbolt
>   Jeremy Stanley
>   Wookey
>   Philipp Kern
>   Roger Lynn (somewhat)
>   Jonas Smedegaard
>   Philip Hands
>   Julien Plissonneau Duquène
> 
> * Unclear
> 
>   Marvin Renich
>   Vincent Lefevre (seems against though)
>   Thomas Goirand
>   Jonathan McDowell
>   Marc Haber (but perhaps against everything ;-) )
>   Stephan Verbücheln
>   Holger Levsen (with strong hints of against)
>   Aaron Schrab
>   Bjørn Mork
>   Charles Plessy (suggesting complaints should be off-list)
>   Mario Limonciello (hints of format=flowed support)
>   Leandro Cunha
>   Thorsten Glaser (seems against though)
>   IOhannes m zmölnig (perhaps a supporter)
>   Stephan Verbücheln (against? at least against mixed HTML)
>   Henrik Ahlgren
>   Russ Allbery
>   James Lu
>   Andrey Rakhmatullin
> 
> I would sumarise that as follows:
> 
>   In favour:          5  (including yourself)
>                      +2  (possibly)
> 
>   Against:            8
>                      +5  (possibly)
> 
>   for Format=Flowed: 13
> 
> Of the 13 F=F folk, several also lean against the proposal to some extent.
> 
> I may be over-counting your supporters (given the notes by them).
> 
> Perhaps I'm neglecting to count some of the pro-F=F folk as also being
> in support of you, because I mis-read their mails or some such.
> 
> Regardless, it seems clear that you are suffering from confirmation bias.
> 
> It would be nice if you could take that into account to some extent.

Thanks for that, Phil.

Sorry for being vague: I am *against* the proposal.

 - Jonas

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#116349

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On Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 10:13:51PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> writes:
> > On Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:23:56 PM MST Philip Hands wrote:
> >> Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> writes:
> >> > At this point in the discussion I would like to progress toward a 
> >> > decision.
> >> > 
> >> > One way to do so would be a GR.  On one hand, using a GR to 
> >> > modify one line of the code of conduct for the mailing list seems 
> >> > like a rather large hammer for a rather small problem.  But on 
> >> > the other hand, many people feel strongly enough about this that 
> >> > a GR might be the only mechanism where people will feel like the 
> >> > outcome is fair.
> >> > 
> >> > My question is, is there any other decision making process that 
> >> > would be preferable to a GR to decide this issue?
> >> 
> >> You seem to be under the impression that there's an emerging 
> >> consensus in favour of your idea.
> >
> > Yes, I feel like there are a majority of Debian Developers who are 
> > in favor of making the change that I propose, partially based on the 
> > number of people who have commented only once in the conversation 
> > with a short message in favor of the change.
> 
> OK, so that provoked me to check if it's my input filter that's 
> defective, or yours.

> Having skimmed through the 106 mails I currently see in this thread, 
> this is the way I'd summarise people's preferences (if anyone sees 
> that I've mis-characterised their view, I promise it was not 
> intentional, so please forgive me and correct my mistake)
 
> * Unclear
…
>   Jonathan McDowell

To clarify, given I didn't explicitly state a position, I am against the 
proposal that we should switch to not wrapping email text. I'm generally 
in favour of format=flowed as this seems to offer the best of both 
worlds (a graceful degradation to the current state of affairs for 
clients that don't support it, and some hints about where it's ok to 
wrap for clients that do) and have made use of Colin Watson's helpful 
suggestions to fix my own configuration to use this.

I 

J.

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#116351

Le Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 10:13:51PM +0100, Philip Hands a écrit :
>
> Having skimmed through the 106 mails I currently see in this thread,
> this is the way I'd summarise people's preferences (if anyone sees that
> I've mis-characterised their view, I promise it was not intentional, so
> please forgive me and correct my mistake)

Hi Philip and everybody,

to be clear: I am supporting the proposition to remove the requrement to wrap
lines.  I would like to add that I think that we should not organise GRs on
that kind of questions.

I am also exploring the use of `text/markdown` as the default content type for
my emails.

Have a nice day,

    Charles Plessy                     Nagahama, Yomitan, Okinawa, Japan
    Debian Med packaging team     http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med
    Tooting from home              https://framapiaf.org/@charles_plessy
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#116357

Hi Charles,

Le 2025-03-10 01:32, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> 

[text/markdown instead of text/plain]

That's IMO something much more interesting than text/html that should be 
implemented in MUAs (falling back to displaying it as text/plain 
eventually) but for now it doesn't display at all in some e.g. in 
Roundcube 1.6.10 that my service provider is using. An old version of 
Thunderbird displays it at text/plain.

Cheers,

-- 
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#116361

On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 11:03:49AM +0100, Julien Plissonneau Duquène wrote:
>[text/markdown instead of text/plain]
>
>That's IMO something much more interesting than text/html that should 
>be implemented in MUAs (falling back to displaying it as text/plain 
>eventually) but for now it doesn't display at all in some e.g. in 
>Roundcube 1.6.10 that my service provider is using. An old version of 
>Thunderbird displays it at text/plain.

My Mutt also displays it as it would display text/plain. I wouldn't have 
known the unusual Content-Type if I hadn't looked.

Greetings
Marc

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Hi Charles,

* Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> [2025-03-10 09:32]:
>Le Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 10:13:51PM +0100, Philip Hands a écrit : > >
>Having skimmed through the 106 mails I currently see in this thread, >
>this is the way I’d summarise people’s preferences (if anyone sees
>that > I’ve mis-characterised their view, I promise it was not
>intentional, so > please forgive me and correct my mistake)
>
>Hi Philip and everybody,
>
>to be clear: I am supporting the proposition to remove the requrement to
>wrap lines. I would like to add that I think that we should not organise
>GRs on that kind of questions.
>
>I am also exploring the use of text/markdown as the default content type
>for my emails.
>
>Have a nice day,
>
>    Charles Plessy                     Nagahama, Yomitan, Okinawa, Japan
>    Debian Med packaging team     http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med
>    Tooting from home              https://framapiaf.org/@charles_plessy
>    -  You do not have my permission to use this email to train an AI  -

I cannot read your email at all with K-9 Mail on Android, because 
text/markdown is not treated like text at all, and the file cannot be 
opened with any app I have installed at the moment. Frankly, I initially 
thought you sent some garbage by accident and ignored the mail.

Mutt at least tells me now that I'm dealing with text/markdown, so I 
manually added a mailcap entry:

text/markdown; iconv -f %{charset} -t utf-8 | pandoc -f markdown -t 
plain; copiousoutput

It works somewhat, but it mangles quotes quite badly since pandoc does 
not know about '>' quote markers (I quoted your mail in full and this is 
pretty much how it is rendered in mutt).


Cheers
Timo

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#116370 — Re: please do not use text/markdown

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Quoting Timo Röhling (2025-03-10 11:19:01)
> Hi Charles,
> 
> * Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> [2025-03-10 09:32]:
> >Le Sun, Mar 09, 2025 at 10:13:51PM +0100, Philip Hands a écrit : > >
> >Having skimmed through the 106 mails I currently see in this thread, >
> >this is the way I’d summarise people’s preferences (if anyone sees
> >that > I’ve mis-characterised their view, I promise it was not
> >intentional, so > please forgive me and correct my mistake)
> >
> >Hi Philip and everybody,
> >
> >to be clear: I am supporting the proposition to remove the requrement to
> >wrap lines. I would like to add that I think that we should not organise
> >GRs on that kind of questions.
> >
> >I am also exploring the use of text/markdown as the default content type
> >for my emails.
> >
> >Have a nice day,
> >
> >    Charles Plessy                     Nagahama, Yomitan, Okinawa, Japan
> >    Debian Med packaging team     http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med
> >    Tooting from home              https://framapiaf.org/@charles_plessy
> >    -  You do not have my permission to use this email to train an AI  -
> 
> I cannot read your email at all with K-9 Mail on Android, because 
> text/markdown is not treated like text at all, and the file cannot be 
> opened with any app I have installed at the moment. Frankly, I initially 
> thought you sent some garbage by accident and ignored the mail.
> 
> Mutt at least tells me now that I'm dealing with text/markdown, so I 
> manually added a mailcap entry:
> 
> text/markdown; iconv -f %{charset} -t utf-8 | pandoc -f markdown -t 
> plain; copiousoutput
> 
> It works somewhat, but it mangles quotes quite badly since pandoc does 
> not know about '>' quote markers (I quoted your mail in full and this is 
> pretty much how it is rendered in mutt).

It should work, but perhaps what you are experiencing is that by default
pandoc expects a blank line between changes of blockquote level:
https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#extension-blank_before_blockquote

Maybe this works: pandoc -f markdown-blank_before_blockquote -t plain

(if not, then try replace "-" with "+")

 - Jonas

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#116377 — Re: please do not use text/markdown

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Hi Jonas,

* Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> [2025-03-10 12:20]:
>It should work, but perhaps what you are experiencing is that by 
>default
>pandoc expects a blank line between changes of blockquote level:
>https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#extension-blank_before_blockquote
>
>Maybe this works: pandoc -f markdown-blank_before_blockquote -t plain
Yes, that solved the issue. Thank you very much!

Cheers
Timo

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#116383

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On 2025-03-10 09:32:59 +0900 (+0900), Charles Plessy wrote:
[...]
> I am also exploring the use of `text/markdown` as the default 
> content type for my emails.

My groff/troff reply to your earlier suggestion of this was only 
somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Markdown isn't a singular 
clearly-specified syntax, but a family of them with several popular 
flavors in widespread use (as Timo's parser option challenges 
indicate). If anything, text/x-rst is probably a more suitable 
choice for such purposes, but Markdown vs reStructuredText religious 
wars are almost like modern reflections of the vi vs emacs 
skirmishes of yore.
-- 
Jeremy Stanley

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