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| From | Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> |
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.devel |
| Subject | Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion |
| Date | Mon, 10 Mar 2025 14:40:01 +0100 |
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Quoting Marc Haber (2025-03-10 13:38:05) > On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 09:33:55PM +0900, Simon Richter wrote: > >We've reached the point where people are shitting on nV for the > >quality of their drivers, and a kernel that has closed-source drivers > >loaded is "tainted", and the last release in which we shipped > >ndiswrapper was buster. > > That happened because those solutions were all incredibly painful, > depending on the kernel version in use, losing compatibly during every > second kernel upgrade, and didn't work cross-architecture. Users hated > that. > > non-free firmware is silent and painless. Users don't care. > > tl;dr: The situation is totally different, we should not compare apples > and peaches here. Back then some users didn't care to fix things and some found it worthy of pouring hard work into. Similar today. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ * Sponsorship: https://ko-fi.com/drjones [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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