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| From | Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.devel |
| Subject | Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion |
| Date | 2025-03-10 12:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <KoJEd-50Ej-7@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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Hi,
On 3/10/25 17:52, Marc Haber wrote:
>> It is fine to disagree that these are concerns worthy spending time on
>> within the Debian project, which is my perception of the vote outcome.
> There are not concerns about spending time. There are no people
> willing to do so.
This is, however, a long term problem.
The current state where we have free software drivers for a lot of
hardware is the result of a lot of people investing a lot of time into
creating them.
In the same way, we need to do both: support our current users by
allowing them to use non-free firmware with their current hardware,
*and* push for new devices to have free firmware.
Part of that push is informing users that what we do wrt firmware is
best-effort, support for their hardware can be dropped at any point and
the free software community cannot put them in control of their
computing experience.
We're not obligated to validate their questionable choices in buying
hardware that ships with non-free firmware, or apologize for the bad
experience they have when upstream changes something they don't like. It
is not our duty as volunteers to compensate for the shortcomings of
companies, especially companies that use our volunteer time without
compensation -- we're the *free* software community, not the *gratis*
software community.
Simon
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