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| From | Sirius <sirius@trudheim.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.devel |
| Subject | Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie |
| Date | 2024-09-22 17:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <Jpx0t-e5G4-3@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | <JoJQ7-dBrt-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| Organization | linux.* mail to news gateway |
On fre, 2024/09/20 at 13:12:36 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote: [snip] > # Proposal > My proposal is to enable a hybrid network stack, using systemd-networkd (on > server/cloud/container/embedded systems) and NetworkManager (on desktop/laptop > systems) unified through a common layer of Netplan configuration on top, to > avoid fragmentation. This utilizes 3 tools that are under active upstream > development and are already used as defaults in certain variants of Debian > today. Furthermore, it allows people to control this stack on the native > systemd-networkd/NetworkManager layer directly, while at the same time > providing a way to describe network configuration that is common across Debian. > > I've repeated the reasons why I think a hybrid stack using Netplan is a > feasible solution many times in previous threads, therefore I'd like to refer > to a list of frequently asked questions, instead of spreading more reasons > across more replies: https://wiki.debian.org/Netplan/FAQ If at all possible, permit it to also run without systemd and/or Network-Manager in the mix, for use-cases where all the bells and whistles (and complications, and deep integration into things it does not need to integrate into, nor necessarily should integrate into, like SSH server) is not required. To have Netplan as an option (which should be the case for systemd and Network-Manager as well, options) seems very sensible IMHO. > # Why > The ifupdown package is a Debian only solution that is becoming a maintenance > burden. We've had plenty of discussions over the years and consensus is that we > want to get rid of it. > Some variations of Debian have already moved forward with choosing a different > stack, such as desktop/laptop installations (using NetworkManager) and cloud > images (using Netplan+systemd-networkd). Also, ifupdown-ng exists as a modern > re-implementation of the classic tooling, that strives to become drop-in > [compatible]. Question: is ifupdown-ng geared at replacing ifupdown as soon as the next major release, and should those that today use ifupdown migrate to ifupdown-ng proactively? And does Netplan generate ifupdown-ng configuration, or it this strictly a helper-tool for systemd/NM? > # Compatibility > We do not want to break existing systems or people that want to keep using the > classic way of /etc/network/interfaces. Very glad to hear that. -- Kind regards, /S
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proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Lukas Märdian <slyon@debian.org> - 2024-09-20 13:20 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2024-09-20 15:50 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Bill MacAllister <bill@ca-zephyr.org> - 2024-09-20 22:20 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-09-22 12:30 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> - 2024-09-22 13:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-09-22 13:50 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie "Jonathan Dowland" <jmtd@debian.org> - 2024-09-22 16:50 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-09-22 17:20 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Hakan Bayındır <hakan@bayindir.org> - 2024-09-22 23:30 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2024-09-22 13:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> - 2024-09-22 20:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie "Andrea Pappacoda" <andrea@pappacoda.it> - 2024-09-22 22:40 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> - 2024-09-23 00:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Lukas Märdian <slyon@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 12:40 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Lukas Märdian <slyon@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 13:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2024-09-23 14:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Marvin Renich <mrvn@renich.org> - 2024-09-23 14:50 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 15:00 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Daniel Baumann <daniel@debian.org> - 2024-09-24 08:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2024-09-24 14:20 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Ansgar 🙀 <ansgar@debian.org> - 2024-09-22 16:30 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Lukas Märdian <slyon@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 12:30 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Ansgar 🙀 <ansgar@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 12:50 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Lukas Märdian <slyon@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 13:20 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Richard Lewis <richard.lewis.debian@googlemail.com> - 2024-09-23 13:40 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Lukas Märdian <slyon@debian.org> - 2024-09-24 15:40 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Ansgar 🙀 <ansgar@debian.org> - 2024-09-27 10:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2024-09-23 14:20 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2024-09-27 20:20 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Ansgar 🙀 <ansgar@debian.org> - 2024-09-27 21:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Sirius <sirius@trudheim.com> - 2024-09-22 17:50 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2024-09-22 23:50 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Sirius <sirius@trudheim.com> - 2024-09-23 08:30 +0200
ifupdown-ng source stanza (Was: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie) Daniel Gröber <dxld@darkboxed.org> - 2024-09-23 11:00 +0200
Re: ifupdown-ng source stanza (Was: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie) Sirius <sirius@trudheim.com> - 2024-09-24 13:40 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-09-23 10:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 10:20 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-09-23 10:30 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2024-09-23 11:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Lukas Märdian <slyon@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 12:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-09-23 12:10 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 12:30 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 11:40 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Chris Hofstaedtler <zeha@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 12:30 +0200
ifupdown behaviour with IPv6 DAD failure (Was: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie) Daniel Gröber <dxld@darkboxed.org> - 2024-09-23 13:50 +0200
Re: ifupdown behaviour with IPv6 DAD failure (Was: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie) Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2024-09-23 17:50 +0200
Re: ifupdown behaviour with IPv6 DAD failure (Was: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie) Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2024-09-24 00:20 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2024-09-24 10:50 +0200
Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie Antoine Beaupré <anarcat@debian.org> - 2024-10-07 18:30 +0200
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