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Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable

Started byolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
First post2025-05-04 21:23 -0500
Last post2025-05-06 22:07 -0400
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  Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 21:23 -0500
    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-05 10:01 +0300
    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 10:47 +0000
      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 10:33 -0500
        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 16:05 +0000
          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 12:30 -0500
            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 18:19 +0000
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 13:44 -0500
                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 18:52 +0000
                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 14:22 -0500
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 19:34 +0000
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 14:52 -0500
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 20:12 +0000
                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 16:03 -0500
                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-06 08:30 +0000
                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 09:43 -0500
                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 21:57 -0400
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-06 10:04 +0000
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 12:14 -0500
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 22:01 -0400
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-07 10:52 +0300
    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-05 07:04 -0400
      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-05 14:46 +0000
        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-05 16:51 +0100
          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-05 16:10 +0000
            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-05 17:59 +0100
        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-05 21:08 -0400
      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 10:31 -0500
        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-05 21:11 -0400
          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 21:26 -0500
            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 07:16 -0400
        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 23:27 -0500
          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-06 08:17 +0000
            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 09:36 -0500
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-06 15:38 +0000
                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-06 17:16 +0100
                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-07 17:01 +0100
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 17:22 +0100
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-07 17:11 +0000
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 18:51 +0100
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 18:59 +0100
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-09 01:58 +0100
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 05:43 +0100
                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 12:55 -0500
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 19:14 +0100
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-07 18:17 +0000
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 19:32 +0100
                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-07 19:11 +0000
                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 22:23 +0100
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 13:31 -0500
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 14:32 -0400
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 19:59 +0100
                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 14:35 -0500
                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 22:30 +0100
                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:46 -0500
                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 17:47 -0400
                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:56 -0500
                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:05 -0400
                                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:05 -0500
                                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 19:10 -0400
                                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:16 -0500
                                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 19:18 -0400
                                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:26 -0500
                                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 19:31 -0400
                                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:39 -0500
                                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 20:14 -0400
                                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:40 -0500
                                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 20:15 -0400
                                                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 19:19 -0500
                                                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 20:44 -0400
                                                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 20:20 -0500
                                                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 21:30 -0400
                                                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 20:48 -0500
                                                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 21:59 -0400
                                                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 05:09 +0100
                                                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 00:22 -0500
                                                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 06:33 +0100
                                                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-08 17:14 +0100
                                                                    Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 12:00 -0500
                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-08 21:04 +0200
                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 14:42 -0500
                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 21:01 +0100
                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-08 21:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 23:12 +0100
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 15:26 -0700
                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 15:31 -0700
                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 17:47 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 16:45 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:53 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 17:00 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 19:14 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 21:07 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 20:33 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:11 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:54 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 05:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 00:01 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 06:23 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 06:52 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 10:41 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:39 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 12:50 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 09:39 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 21:02 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 19:23 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:28 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:18 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2025-05-08 23:01 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:22 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 23:56 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:00 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 06:59 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:16 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 12:52 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 09:52 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 12:57 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 09:59 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 10:47 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:48 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 13:00 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 14:46 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 21:07 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 15:15 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 17:35 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 22:40 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 17:18 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 18:31 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 19:34 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 01:26 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:14 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 19:40 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:13 +0800
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 22:24 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:43 +0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:18 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 12:32 +0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:44 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 12:51 +0800
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                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 00:19 -0500
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                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 14:00 +0800
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                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 14:19 +0800
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                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 17:14 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 23:14 +0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 10:43 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:44 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 17:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 18:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 17:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 08:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 08:37 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 08:36 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:16 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 08:54 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 08:53 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:53 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:13 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 00:18 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:25 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 08:59 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:22 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:31 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:21 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:34 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 09:42 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 09:09 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 22:13 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:45 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:18 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 11:24 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 17:34 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:05 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 11:18 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2025-05-09 13:59 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-10 01:23 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 19:48 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:20 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:41 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 03:59 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:06 -0400
                                                                                                  Repetitive posting [ Was: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)] Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-10 10:21 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Repetitive posting [ Was: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)] olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 09:30 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Repetitive posting [ Was: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)] dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 10:57 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Repetitive posting [ Was: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)] "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 16:57 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Repetitive posting [ Was: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)] Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:21 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:38 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:12 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 22:17 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:29 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:27 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:44 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 09:15 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:23 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:42 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 05:35 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 22:18 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 06:41 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 10:39 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:33 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-09 15:42 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:53 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:06 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 13:58 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:46 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:41 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:08 -0400
                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 17:50 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 00:30 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:41 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 00:46 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 16:54 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 19:05 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 21:13 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 20:35 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 19:14 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 06:10 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 22:37 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:13 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 11:03 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 11:02 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:09 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:49 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 19:02 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:22 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:30 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 14:37 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 09:33 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 16:54 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 23:28 +0800
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 10:45 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 00:06 +0800
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:19 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 12:21 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 00:29 +0800
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:47 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 01:01 +0800
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 12:17 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 13:19 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 02:09 +0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 13:17 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 14:24 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 02:37 +0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 13:47 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 03:02 +0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 14:29 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 05:44 +0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 17:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 18:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-10 22:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 19:03 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-10 23:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 18:57 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 09:17 +0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 20:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 02:43 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 09:44 +0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 20:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 10:09 +0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 21:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 07:03 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:34 +0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 10:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 00:28 +0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 12:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 01:21 +0800
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 12:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 13:44 -0400
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 02:38 +0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 15:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 16:21 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 04:23 +0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 15:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 15:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 17:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 05:48 +0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 17:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 17:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 06:11 +0800
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 17:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 06:50 +0800
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 18:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 08:33 +0800
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 19:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 21:15 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 20:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:56 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-16 15:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-16 10:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-16 12:04 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-17 11:09 +0300
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 19:59 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOS detector olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 19:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOS detector dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOS detector joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-12 09:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOS detector olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 10:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 19:34 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 17:06 -0400
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-12 11:03 +0300
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 10:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 11:06 -0400
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 11:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 12:41 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 11:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 13:07 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 12:16 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 13:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 12:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 14:19 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:23 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-13 13:19 +0300
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-12 21:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-05-12 23:10 -0400
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 16:25 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-12 17:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 12:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:38 -0400
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-05-12 23:11 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 22:12 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 21:54 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-11 11:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 11:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 16:36 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 19:36 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:20 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 18:52 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:32 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:25 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-10 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 13:56 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 15:03 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:33 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-10 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-10 20:07 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-10 20:17 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 15:29 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 18:58 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-11 10:34 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-11 11:48 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 12:57 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-11 12:09 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 13:12 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-11 12:17 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 13:36 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-11 12:41 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 14:58 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 10:44 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 16:49 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 16:50 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 10:14 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 16:27 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 15:26 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-10 20:45 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 15:58 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 17:01 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 19:23 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 19:04 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 21:27 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-10 20:22 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 15:42 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 16:50 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 19:27 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-11 11:13 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 11:44 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 12:52 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 12:35 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 13:43 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:10 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 18:11 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-12 01:38 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 19:48 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 20:58 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 20:05 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:07 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:11 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:39 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 21:27 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 20:56 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:59 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:14 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:28 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:38 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:49 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:57 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 23:03 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 23:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 23:54 -0400
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 23:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 07:46 -0400
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 11:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 12:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-12 21:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:05 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:44 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:42 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-12 02:25 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-12 18:03 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-12 18:05 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-12 19:13 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-13 01:18 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-13 03:38 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-12 19:06 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-13 03:17 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 21:32 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:59 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 12:58 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-13 03:41 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-13 09:01 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-13 18:46 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 16:04 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-13 18:45 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 20:58 -0400
                                                                                                                              How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 20:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 21:19 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 20:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 21:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 20:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 21:58 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 21:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 22:44 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 22:18 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 23:35 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-14 08:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 10:06 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-14 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 13:42 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 19:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 14:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 20:17 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 14:21 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 20:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 15:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 21:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 15:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 21:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-14 20:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 15:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 21:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 21:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-14 20:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 14:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 17:18 -0400
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-14 21:51 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-15 00:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 18:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 18:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-15 01:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 19:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-14 07:46 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 10:23 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-11 19:54 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 17:02 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 16:15 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 19:39 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 19:29 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 21:31 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:03 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:05 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:49 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 12:46 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 12:48 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:16 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-11 12:26 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-11 12:34 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-11 14:38 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 10:26 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 16:38 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 11:58 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:25 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 09:45 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:13 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 11:00 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:59 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:15 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:52 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 16:49 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:59 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 21:15 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 20:41 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:18 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:30 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:13 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:35 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-09 04:14 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 22:34 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-09 09:48 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:08 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-09 15:47 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:57 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:22 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:12 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:11 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 23:49 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 22:31 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 00:49 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 23:17 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:03 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:24 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:21 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:18 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 18:02 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 19:36 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 18:43 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 20:37 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 15:28 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 01:29 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 20:38 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 01:48 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 19:54 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:25 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:43 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:08 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 19:51 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 02:15 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:29 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 02:32 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:50 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:48 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 03:15 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:20 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:39 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:47 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:12 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:46 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 11:03 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 14:57 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 09:17 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:10 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 14:59 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:34 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:50 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 03:19 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:27 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:17 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 22:29 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:50 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:05 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 09:20 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 14:55 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:32 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:30 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:45 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:22 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 11:14 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 11:04 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:25 -0400
                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 16:41 -0500
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 23:13 +0100
                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 17:20 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:25 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:55 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:29 -0400
                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 10:33 +0200
                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:29 -0500
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:32 -0400
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 09:37 +0200
                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 19:35 -0400
                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:48 -0500
                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 21:18 -0400
                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 20:55 -0500
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:26 -0400
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 11:28 +0200
                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 11:13 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:33 -0400
                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 11:25 +0200
                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 11:11 -0500
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:34 -0400
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 09:53 +0200
                                                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 18:45 +0100
                                                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 07:21 -0400
                                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:41 -0500
                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 22:52 +0100
                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:59 -0500
                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 23:16 +0100
                                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-07 22:26 +0000
                                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 23:29 +0100
                                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:09 -0500
                                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 03:24 +0100
                                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 21:41 -0500
                                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 05:12 +0100
                                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 21:33 -0700
                                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 23:54 -0500
                                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 06:02 +0100
                                Re: faithful simulations [was: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable] joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-08 11:07 +0000
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 14:18 -0400
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 13:35 -0500
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 14:38 -0400
                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 15:03 -0500
                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:07 -0400
                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 15:39 -0500
                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:53 -0400
                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 15:58 -0500
                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 17:03 -0400
                                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:24 -0500
                                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 17:29 -0400
                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 13:03 -0500
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-08 11:38 +0300
                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 12:06 -0500
                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-07 11:02 +0300
                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 09:19 +0100
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 22:04 -0400
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-07 10:57 +0300
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 09:05 +0100
          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 07:20 -0400
            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable ---ELABORATED olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 12:46 -0500
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable ---ELABORATED Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 22:07 -0400

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#119071 — Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met

FromBen Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk>
Date2025-05-14 20:20 +0100
SubjectRe: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
Message-ID<87v7q3knhq.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#119061
joes <noreply@example.org> writes:

> Am Wed, 14 May 2025 10:06:02 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>> On 5/14/2025 3:17 AM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Tue, 13 May 2025 21:43:32 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 5/13/2025 8:58 PM, dbush wrote:
>
>>>> I have the emails where he agreed that I could publish his agreement
>>>> with those exact words. Ben also checked this and verified it.
>>> 
>>> Please publish those instead of paraphrasing.
>>> 
>> He agreed that I could publish this.
>> Ben checked with him at the time.
>
> Ok so you don't have mails. Ben does.

Just to be clear, I did not "check" anything with Sipser.  I alerted him
to the fact that his agreement to a deceptively worded sentence was
being used in public.  Prof Sipser does not agree with PO's wacky ideas.

-- 
Ben.

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#119073 — Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-14 14:46 -0500
SubjectRe: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
Message-ID<1002rv4$2le74$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119071
On 5/14/2025 2:20 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> joes <noreply@example.org> writes:
> 
>> Am Wed, 14 May 2025 10:06:02 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 5/14/2025 3:17 AM, joes wrote:
>>>> Am Tue, 13 May 2025 21:43:32 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>> On 5/13/2025 8:58 PM, dbush wrote:
>>
>>>>> I have the emails where he agreed that I could publish his agreement
>>>>> with those exact words. Ben also checked this and verified it.
>>>>
>>>> Please publish those instead of paraphrasing.
>>>>
>>> He agreed that I could publish this.
>>> Ben checked with him at the time.
>>
>> Ok so you don't have mails. Ben does.
> 
> Just to be clear, I did not "check" anything with Sipser.  I alerted him
> to the fact that his agreement to a deceptively worded sentence was
> being used in public.  Prof Sipser does not agree with PO's wacky ideas.
> 

That is an incorrect paraphrase of the actual truth.
Professor Sipser DID agree with these verbatim words.

<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
     input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
     would never stop running unless aborted then

     H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>

Professor Sipser never could understand the significance
of the above words because he could not afford to take
the time to understand what recursive simulation is.

With 300 students he did not have the extra five minutes
that this would take.

*You agreed that the first half of the above spec <is> met*
On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
 > I don't think that is the shell game. PO really /has/ an H
 > (it's trivial to do for this one case) that correctly determines
 > that P(P) *would* never stop running *unless* aborted.


-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#119102 — Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met

Fromdbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-14 17:18 -0400
SubjectRe: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
Message-ID<10031ag$2mbr6$11@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119073
On 5/14/2025 3:46 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/14/2025 2:20 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> joes <noreply@example.org> writes:
>>
>>> Am Wed, 14 May 2025 10:06:02 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 5/14/2025 3:17 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>> Am Tue, 13 May 2025 21:43:32 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>> On 5/13/2025 8:58 PM, dbush wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I have the emails where he agreed that I could publish his agreement
>>>>>> with those exact words. Ben also checked this and verified it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please publish those instead of paraphrasing.
>>>>>
>>>> He agreed that I could publish this.
>>>> Ben checked with him at the time.
>>>
>>> Ok so you don't have mails. Ben does.
>>
>> Just to be clear, I did not "check" anything with Sipser.  I alerted him
>> to the fact that his agreement to a deceptively worded sentence was
>> being used in public.  Prof Sipser does not agree with PO's wacky ideas.
>>
> 
> That is an incorrect paraphrase of the actual truth.
> Professor Sipser DID agree with these verbatim words.
> 
> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
>      input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
>      would never stop running unless aborted then
> 
>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
> 

And *yet again* you lie by implying Sipser agrees with your 
interpretation of the above when definitive proof has been repeatedly 
provided that he did not:

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:41:27 PM UTC-5, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
 > I exchanged emails with him about this. He does not agree with anything
 > substantive that PO has written. I won't quote him, as I don't have
 > permission, but he was, let's say... forthright, in his reply to me.

On 5/14/2025 3:20 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
 > Just to be clear, I did not "check" anything with Sipser.  I alerted him
 > to the fact that his agreement to a deceptively worded sentence was
 > being used in public.  Prof Sipser does not agree with PO's wacky ideas.


Your dishonesty knows no bounds.

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#119159 — Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met

FromRichard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Date2025-05-14 21:51 -0400
SubjectRe: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
Message-ID<b0b999743982b8c4689c918d9d539ff2bd742544@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#119019
On 5/14/25 11:06 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/14/2025 3:17 AM, joes wrote:
>> Am Tue, 13 May 2025 21:43:32 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 5/13/2025 8:58 PM, dbush wrote:
>>
>>>> Then maybe you should stop implying that Sipser agrees with the above
>>>> when it's been proven on multiple occasions that he has not.
>>>> *That* is dishonest.
>>>>
>>> I have the emails where he agreed that I could publish his agreement
>>> with those exact words. Ben also checked this and verified it.
>>
>> Please publish those instead of paraphrasing.
>>
> 
> He agreed that I could publish this.
> Ben checked with him at the time.
> 
> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
>      input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
>      would never stop running unless aborted then
> 
>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
> 
> 

And since you have admitted that your DDD is not a program, them you 
can't satisfy that requirement, since in the above D *IS* a program.

Sorry, you admitted that your system doesn't qualify.

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#119129 — Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met

FromMike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com>
Date2025-05-15 00:02 +0100
SubjectRe: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
Message-ID<10037ed$2o764$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118991
On 14/05/2025 09:17, joes wrote:
> Am Tue, 13 May 2025 21:43:32 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>> On 5/13/2025 8:58 PM, dbush wrote:
> 
>>> Then maybe you should stop implying that Sipser agrees with the above
>>> when it's been proven on multiple occasions that he has not.
>>> *That* is dishonest.
>>>
>> I have the emails where he agreed that I could publish his agreement
>> with those exact words. Ben also checked this and verified it.
> 
> Please publish those instead of paraphrasing.
> 

What's this?  Some new conspiracy theory?  (Ben + PO conspiring to convince people here that Sipser 
has become involved?  WHY???)

PO misunderstands most things, but I simply don't see him inventing a made up email exchange with 
Sipser.  He gets confused about meanings of things, but he seems honest enough about things like 
this.  And I don't think Ben would say he'd briefly conversed with Sipser if he hadn't - what would 
be the point of it all?

OTOH PO contacting Sipser and trying to get him to accept some PO-wording of a statement about 
simulating halt deciders seems like EXACTLY the sort of thing PO might do.  PO agreeing to only 
quote specific words also seems totally plausible.  Sipser agreeing to the words PO quotes seems 
entirely feasible, although obviously Sipser would not be interpreting them in the same way as PO 
[and so is not in any shape or form supporting PO's argument].

There is a slight mystery as to why Sipser would respond to PO at all rather than just ignore him, 
but hey, maybe Sipser is just a nice guy!  And there's no way Sipser could have forseen PO's bizarre 
misinterpretation of the quote, because Sipser lives in the world of TMs and knows /absolutely 
nothing/ about PO quirky x86utm.exe environment and how it works exactly.

The real point here is surely that PO is attempting a blatant appeal to authority fallacy.  People 
should just make it clear that that doesn't work.


Mike.

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#119130 — Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-14 18:17 -0500
SubjectRe: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
Message-ID<10038a4$2o7ei$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119129
On 5/14/2025 6:02 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
> On 14/05/2025 09:17, joes wrote:
>> Am Tue, 13 May 2025 21:43:32 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 5/13/2025 8:58 PM, dbush wrote:
>>
>>>> Then maybe you should stop implying that Sipser agrees with the above
>>>> when it's been proven on multiple occasions that he has not.
>>>> *That* is dishonest.
>>>>
>>> I have the emails where he agreed that I could publish his agreement
>>> with those exact words. Ben also checked this and verified it.
>>
>> Please publish those instead of paraphrasing.
>>
> 
> What's this?  Some new conspiracy theory?  (Ben + PO conspiring to 
> convince people here that Sipser has become involved?  WHY???)
> 
> PO misunderstands most things, but I simply don't see him inventing a 
> made up email exchange with Sipser.  He gets confused about meanings of 
> things, but he seems honest enough about things like this.  And I don't 
> think Ben would say he'd briefly conversed with Sipser if he hadn't - 
> what would be the point of it all?
> 
> OTOH PO contacting Sipser and trying to get him to accept some PO- 
> wording of a statement about simulating halt deciders seems like EXACTLY 
> the sort of thing PO might do.  PO agreeing to only quote specific words 
> also seems totally plausible.  Sipser agreeing to the words PO quotes 
> seems entirely feasible, although obviously Sipser would not be 
> interpreting them in the same way as PO 

*THESE WORDS ONLY HAVE A SINGLE MEANING*

<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
     input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
     would never stop running unless aborted then

> [and so is not in any shape or 
> form supporting PO's argument].
> 

*That he agreed derives this conclusion*
     H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>


> There is a slight mystery as to why Sipser would respond to PO at all 
> rather than just ignore him, but hey, maybe Sipser is just a nice guy!  
> And there's no way Sipser could have forseen PO's bizarre 
> misinterpretation of the quote, because Sipser lives in the world of TMs 
> and knows /absolutely nothing/ about PO quirky x86utm.exe environment 
> and how it works exactly.
> 
> The real point here is surely that PO is attempting a blatant appeal to 
> authority fallacy. 

People say that are not aware that for inductive
reasoning an *appeal to a qualified authority* is valid.

Who or what is the authoritative source of information?

Is the person, organization, or source being referenced really an 
authoritative source?

In academic fields, experts will normally be relevantly qualified, have 
published papers, be recognized by their peers, etc., which means their 
status can be gauged reasonably easily and accurately.

https://critical-thinking.org.uk/appeal-to-authority


>  People should just make it clear that that doesn't 
> work.
> 

On the basis of their own ignorance of inductive reasoning.

> 
> Mike.
> 


-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#119131 — Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-14 18:27 -0500
SubjectRe: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
Message-ID<10038t8$2oddi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119129
On 5/14/2025 6:02 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
> On 14/05/2025 09:17, joes wrote:
>> Am Tue, 13 May 2025 21:43:32 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 5/13/2025 8:58 PM, dbush wrote:
>>
>>>> Then maybe you should stop implying that Sipser agrees with the above
>>>> when it's been proven on multiple occasions that he has not.
>>>> *That* is dishonest.
>>>>
>>> I have the emails where he agreed that I could publish his agreement
>>> with those exact words. Ben also checked this and verified it.
>>
>> Please publish those instead of paraphrasing.
>>
> 
> What's this?  Some new conspiracy theory?  (Ben + PO conspiring to 
> convince people here that Sipser has become involved?  WHY???)
> 
> PO misunderstands most things, but I simply don't see him inventing a 
> made up email exchange with Sipser.  He gets confused about meanings of 
> things, but he seems honest enough about things like this.  And I don't 
> think Ben would say he'd briefly conversed with Sipser if he hadn't - 
> what would be the point of it all?
> 
> OTOH PO contacting Sipser and trying to get him to accept some PO- 
> wording of a statement about simulating halt deciders seems like EXACTLY 
> the sort of thing PO might do.  PO agreeing to only quote specific words 
> also seems totally plausible.  Sipser agreeing to the words PO quotes 
> seems entirely feasible, although obviously Sipser would not be 
> interpreting them in the same way as PO [and so is not in any shape or 
> form supporting PO's argument].
> 
> There is a slight mystery as to why Sipser would respond to PO at all 
> rather than just ignore him, but hey, maybe Sipser is just a nice guy!  
> And there's no way Sipser could have forseen PO's bizarre 
> misinterpretation of the quote, 

That is easily proved to be counter-factual on the
basis that these words only have a single correct
meaning making all misinterpretations impossible:

<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
     input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
     would never stop running unless aborted then

This proves that your use of the term *misinterpretation*
is incorrect.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#119137 — Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met

FromBen Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk>
Date2025-05-15 01:02 +0100
SubjectRe: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
Message-ID<87a57elp10.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#119129
Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> writes:

> There is a slight mystery as to why Sipser would respond to PO at all rather
> than just ignore him, but hey, maybe Sipser is just a nice guy!

That's it.  I feel I can quote one part of his reply to me because it is
entirely positive: "I try to respond to everyone who writes me" though
it is clear from other parts of the reply that there was more than one
email from PO!

-- 
Ben.

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#119138 — Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-14 19:09 -0500
SubjectRe: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
Message-ID<1003bbo$2op3f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119137
On 5/14/2025 7:02 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> writes:
> 
>> There is a slight mystery as to why Sipser would respond to PO at all rather
>> than just ignore him, but hey, maybe Sipser is just a nice guy!
> 
> That's it.  I feel I can quote one part of his reply to me because it is
> entirely positive: "I try to respond to everyone who writes me" though
> it is clear from other parts of the reply that there was more than one
> email from PO!
> 

I told him that I waited patiently for two years
having all of the details of all of his contact
information until I had my point succinct enough
that he could quickly evaluate it.

He sent me ten emails over four days as replies.
He said that he has 250 students registered in
his class thus had very little time.

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#119009 — Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met

FromRichard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Date2025-05-14 07:46 -0400
SubjectRe: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
Message-ID<06d32a933762fe7417d02ddd13362a0adebfc558@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#118939
On 5/13/25 9:07 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/13/2025 7:58 PM, dbush wrote:
>> On 5/13/2025 5:04 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/13/2025 12:46 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
>>>> The global trace table does not record the simulation level for an 
>>>> entry, so the matching process is agnostic when it comes to 
>>>> simulation levels.   Also note there are many conditional branch 
>>>> instructions in HHH which would prevent matches occuring if we were 
>>>> to include HHH instructions in the examined trace!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes that is true. The program-under-test is not the test-program.
>>
>> FALSE!!!!
>>
>> It is *both* the test program *and* part of the program under test.  
>> As such, it is not allowed to be changed for any reason, hypothetical 
>> or otherwise.
>>
>>> When HHH is reporting on the behavior of the finite string of x86
>>> machine code specified by DD, 
>>
>> i.e. the machine code of the function DD, the machine code of the 
>> function HHH, and the machine code of everything that HHH calls down 
>> to the OS leve.
>>
> 
> *would never stop running unless aborted*
> Thus meets this spec:

But D does stop running without being aborted (but of course your H 
doesn't do that) as it calls the actual H that we actualy have that 
aborts its simulation of its input and returns 0 to D.

> 
> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
>      input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
>      *would never stop running unless aborted* then
> 
> 
> 

But since the correct simulation of THAT D, the one given to H, that is 
a program (unlike your claims) that calls the actual H (which aborts and 
returns 0) will show that D halts, your H can't correctly show that it 
doesn't, and you are shown to have just lied.

Sorry, you sunk your own battleship.

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#119022 — Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-14 10:23 -0500
SubjectRe: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met
Message-ID<1002cib$2i4bk$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#119009
On 5/14/2025 6:46 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/13/25 9:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/13/2025 7:58 PM, dbush wrote:
>>> On 5/13/2025 5:04 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 5/13/2025 12:46 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
>>>>> The global trace table does not record the simulation level for an 
>>>>> entry, so the matching process is agnostic when it comes to 
>>>>> simulation levels.   Also note there are many conditional branch 
>>>>> instructions in HHH which would prevent matches occuring if we were 
>>>>> to include HHH instructions in the examined trace!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes that is true. The program-under-test is not the test-program.
>>>
>>> FALSE!!!!
>>>
>>> It is *both* the test program *and* part of the program under test. 
>>> As such, it is not allowed to be changed for any reason, hypothetical 
>>> or otherwise.
>>>
>>>> When HHH is reporting on the behavior of the finite string of x86
>>>> machine code specified by DD, 
>>>
>>> i.e. the machine code of the function DD, the machine code of the 
>>> function HHH, and the machine code of everything that HHH calls down 
>>> to the OS leve.
>>>
>>
>> *would never stop running unless aborted*
>> Thus meets this spec:
> 
> But D does stop running without being aborted 

Dishonestly changing the words and rebutting those
changed words may get you condemned to actual Hell.

<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
     input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
     would never stop running unless aborted then

*its simulated D would never stop running unless aborted*

-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#118543 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

Fromjoes <noreply@example.org>
Date2025-05-11 19:54 +0000
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<d54612b25899fd670df17cdc8f8b2558741594ef@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#118509
Am Sun, 11 May 2025 11:44:12 -0500 schrieb olcott:
> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:

>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem proof
>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever value
>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD then does
>> the opposite.
> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that its actual input
> actually specifies.
Yes, and then it returns to DDD, which then halts.

>>> Can Carol correctly answer “no” to this (yes/no) question?
>>> When the context of who is asked is understood to be an aspect of the
>>> full meaning of the question then the question posed to Carol is
>>> incorrect because both yes and no are the wrong answer.
>> Yes, HHH cannot answer correctly.
> Any yes/no question where both yes and no are the wrong answer is an
> incorrect polar question.
No, I can tell you that the correct answer to Carol's question is "no".

-- 
Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.

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#118565 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromRichard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Date2025-05-11 17:02 -0400
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<bb4cbe8f07ea2657fa7c19ce626fdb70f8c70e70@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#118509
On 5/11/25 12:44 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>
>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 paper where
>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if you'd
>>>> even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet you're
>>>> ready to denigrate his work.
>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for insinuations.
>>>>
>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem proof
>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever value
>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
> 
>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD then does
>> the opposite.
>>
> 
> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that
> its actual input actually specifies.


Which is DEFINED to be the bahavior of the program that the input 
represents when run.
> 
> int sum(int x, int y) { return x + y; }
> sum(3,2) is not allowed to report on the sum of 5 + 7
> because that is not what its input specifies.

and your HHH is doing the equivalent of doing:

int *p = 0;
sum(5,*p)

as it doesn't have all the needed information, and thus accesses data it 
isn't supposed to.

If you fix the defintion of DD to inlude its HHH then you sample is that


sum(3,2) returning the results of 5 + 2, as it doesn't actually use the 
actual HHH that DD calls, but a mistaken assumption of what that code is.

Remember, this HHH aborts and returns, but it assumes that HHH (which is 
the same) never aborts.

Sorry, it incorrect emulates the input by any reasonable definition that 
isn't based on allowing lying.

> 
>>> (2) It expects a self-contradictory (thus incorrect)
>>> question to have a correct answer.
>> Whether a program halts is not contradictory.
>>
> 
> Asking sum(3,2) about the sum of 5 + 7
> is the same as asking HHH(DDD) about the
> direct execution of DDD().

Nope, it is like HHH not looking at the HHH that its DDD calls, but even 
though it actually is the aborting and returning 0 HHH, it assumes it is 
the never aborting and never returning HHH, which doesn't actualy exist.

> 
>>> Can Carol correctly answer “no” to this (yes/no) question?
>>> When the context of who is asked is understood to be an aspect of the
>>> full meaning of the question then the question posed to Carol is
>>> incorrect because both yes and no are the wrong answer.
>> Yes, HHH cannot answer correctly.
>>
> 
> Any yes/no question where both yes and no are the
> wrong answer is an incorrect polar question.
> Copyright PL Olcott 2025.
> 

But for that actual question that isn't the case.

The question is: Does the program represented by the input halt when run?

TO even ask that question, we need the full definition of that program, 
and for DD or DDD that requires us to have a full definition of the HHH 
that they call (or we don't even have a program) and thus there *IS* a 
definite answer based on that definiton.

Since your HHH(DD) or HHH(DDD) returns 0 becuase it does abort its 
emulation, that means that the actual execution of either DD or DDD will 
call that HHH and it will return the 0 result and thus DD / DDD will 
halt, and thus Halting was the correct answer, just not the answer that 
that HHH gave.

The problem is your strawman question, "What can HHH return for DDD to 
be correct?" is an invalid question, as a given HHH can only return one 
answer, and that is fixed by its definition, so the question itself is 
malformed based on a false assumption of ability to choose.

Your question is like asking what is the length of a side of a square 
circle? It presumes something that is impossible.

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#118567 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-11 16:15 -0500
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvr41q$ks69$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118565
On 5/11/2025 4:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/11/25 12:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>
>>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 paper 
>>>>> where
>>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if you'd
>>>>> even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet you're
>>>>> ready to denigrate his work.
>>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for 
>>>>> insinuations.
>>>>>
>>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem proof
>>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever value
>>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
>>
>>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD then does
>>> the opposite.
>>>
>>
>> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that
>> its actual input actually specifies.
> 
> 
> Which is DEFINED to be the bahavior of the program that the input 
> represents when run.

When you define 5 == 6 you are simply wrong.
That definition contradicts other axioms.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#118588 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromRichard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Date2025-05-11 19:39 -0400
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<25888556ca5d63eba15f3a805e6d952a19e5ec75@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#118567
On 5/11/25 5:15 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/11/2025 4:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 5/11/25 12:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>>>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 paper 
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if you'd
>>>>>> even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet you're
>>>>>> ready to denigrate his work.
>>>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for 
>>>>>> insinuations.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem proof
>>>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever value
>>>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
>>>
>>>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD then does
>>>> the opposite.
>>>>
>>>
>>> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that
>>> its actual input actually specifies.
>>
>>
>> Which is DEFINED to be the bahavior of the program that the input 
>> represents when run.
> 
> When you define 5 == 6 you are simply wrong.
> That definition contradicts other axioms.
> 

And where did I do that?

Show your source of the words actually defined by reliable sources that 
make my claim wrong.

After all, the statement of the Halting problem from one of your 
favorite sources is:

In computability theory, the halting problem is the problem of 
determining, from a description of an arbitrary computer program and an 
input, whether the program will finish running, or continue to run forever.

If that isn't talking about the direct execution of the program, what is 
it talking about?

That you don't like that definition, is your problem, and just shows you 
don't like that some rules just make your ideas wrong.

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#118591 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-11 19:29 -0500
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvrfch$n9a9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118588
On 5/11/2025 6:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/11/25 5:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/11/2025 4:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 5/11/25 12:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 paper 
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if you'd
>>>>>>> even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet you're
>>>>>>> ready to denigrate his work.
>>>>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for 
>>>>>>> insinuations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem proof
>>>>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>>>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>>>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever value
>>>>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>>>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
>>>>
>>>>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD then 
>>>>> does
>>>>> the opposite.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that
>>>> its actual input actually specifies.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which is DEFINED to be the bahavior of the program that the input 
>>> represents when run.
>>
>> When you define 5 == 6 you are simply wrong.
>> That definition contradicts other axioms.
>>
> 
> And where did I do that?
> 

When the definition of the halting problem requires
the termination analyzer H to report on behavior besides
the behavior of the input D simulated by H according
to the rules of the computational language that the
input D is encoded within.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#118609 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromRichard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Date2025-05-11 21:31 -0400
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<d5709aca70f66affe58643511a2473e67dc81966@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#118591
On 5/11/25 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/11/2025 6:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 5/11/25 5:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/11/2025 4:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 5/11/25 12:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 
>>>>>>>> paper where
>>>>>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if 
>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>> even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet you're
>>>>>>>> ready to denigrate his work.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for 
>>>>>>>> insinuations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem proof
>>>>>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>>>>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>>>>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever value
>>>>>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>>>>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD then 
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> the opposite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that
>>>>> its actual input actually specifies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which is DEFINED to be the bahavior of the program that the input 
>>>> represents when run.
>>>
>>> When you define 5 == 6 you are simply wrong.
>>> That definition contradicts other axioms.
>>>
>>
>> And where did I do that?
>>
> 
> When the definition of the halting problem requires
> the termination analyzer H to report on behavior besides
> the behavior of the input D simulated by H according
> to the rules of the computational language that the
> input D is encoded within.
> 

Where do you get that behavior to be decided needs to be based on the 
partial simulation of the decider.

You try to call that PARTIAL simulation as according to the rule of the 
language, but it isn't.

If you stipulate that you H actually DOES the emulation that you 
specify, then you have proven that you have effective stipulated that 
you H is not a decider.

Sorry, but your system is based on requiring the existance of a machine 
that can not exist, a machine that can both do a simulation for an 
unbounded number of steps, but still after that return an answer in a 
finite number of steps.

Sorry, you system is just proven to be self-contradictory and totally 
exploded in illogic.

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#118618 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-11 21:03 -0500
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvrksr$o2ab$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118609
On 5/11/2025 8:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/11/25 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/11/2025 6:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 5/11/25 5:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 5/11/2025 4:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 5/11/25 12:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 
>>>>>>>>> paper where
>>>>>>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if 
>>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>>> even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet you're
>>>>>>>>> ready to denigrate his work.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for 
>>>>>>>>> insinuations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem 
>>>>>>>> proof
>>>>>>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>>>>>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>>>>>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever 
>>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>>>>>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD 
>>>>>>> then does
>>>>>>> the opposite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that
>>>>>> its actual input actually specifies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is DEFINED to be the bahavior of the program that the input 
>>>>> represents when run.
>>>>
>>>> When you define 5 == 6 you are simply wrong.
>>>> That definition contradicts other axioms.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And where did I do that?
>>>
>>
>> When the definition of the halting problem requires
>> the termination analyzer H to report on behavior besides
>> the behavior of the input D simulated by H according
>> to the rules of the computational language that the
>> input D is encoded within.
>>
> 
> Where do you get that behavior to be decided needs to be based on the 
> partial simulation of the decider.
> 

The behavior of the input to HHH(DDD) is only correctly
measured by the behavior that it actually specifies.

Since DDD <is> a sequence of programming instructions
this behavior must be measured according to its
computer language.

_DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov  ebp,esp  ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add  esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop  ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]

When DDD calls HHH(DDD) HHH is not free to
"interpret" this call as meaning JMP 00002183.


-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#118619 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

Fromdbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-11 22:05 -0400
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvrl0k$s0mk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118618
On 5/11/2025 10:03 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/11/2025 8:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 5/11/25 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/11/2025 6:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 5/11/25 5:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 5/11/2025 4:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/11/25 12:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 
>>>>>>>>>> paper where
>>>>>>>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if 
>>>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>>>> even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet 
>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>> ready to denigrate his work.
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for 
>>>>>>>>>> insinuations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem 
>>>>>>>>> proof
>>>>>>>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>>>>>>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>>>>>>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever 
>>>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>>>>>>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD 
>>>>>>>> then does
>>>>>>>> the opposite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that
>>>>>>> its actual input actually specifies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is DEFINED to be the bahavior of the program that the input 
>>>>>> represents when run.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you define 5 == 6 you are simply wrong.
>>>>> That definition contradicts other axioms.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And where did I do that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> When the definition of the halting problem requires
>>> the termination analyzer H to report on behavior besides
>>> the behavior of the input D simulated by H according
>>> to the rules of the computational language that the
>>> input D is encoded within.
>>>
>>
>> Where do you get that behavior to be decided needs to be based on the 
>> partial simulation of the decider.
>>
> 
> The behavior of the input to HHH(DDD) is only correctly
> measured by 

The algorithm that DDD describes, as that is what we want to know about:


Given any algorithm (i.e. a fixed immutable sequence of instructions) X 
described as <X> with input Y:

A solution to the halting problem is an algorithm H that computes the 
following mapping:

(<X>,Y) maps to 1 if and only if X(Y) halts when executed directly
(<X>,Y) maps to 0 if and only if X(Y) does not halt when executed directly

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#118822 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromRichard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Date2025-05-12 22:49 -0400
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<f5c5afe8e6e6a3de09da3da35b2a81199b8938cb@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#118618
On 5/11/25 10:03 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/11/2025 8:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 5/11/25 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/11/2025 6:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 5/11/25 5:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 5/11/2025 4:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/11/25 12:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 
>>>>>>>>>> paper where
>>>>>>>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if 
>>>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>>>> even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet 
>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>> ready to denigrate his work.
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for 
>>>>>>>>>> insinuations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem 
>>>>>>>>> proof
>>>>>>>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>>>>>>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>>>>>>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever 
>>>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>>>>>>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD 
>>>>>>>> then does
>>>>>>>> the opposite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that
>>>>>>> its actual input actually specifies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is DEFINED to be the bahavior of the program that the input 
>>>>>> represents when run.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you define 5 == 6 you are simply wrong.
>>>>> That definition contradicts other axioms.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And where did I do that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> When the definition of the halting problem requires
>>> the termination analyzer H to report on behavior besides
>>> the behavior of the input D simulated by H according
>>> to the rules of the computational language that the
>>> input D is encoded within.
>>>
>>
>> Where do you get that behavior to be decided needs to be based on the 
>> partial simulation of the decider.
>>
> 
> The behavior of the input to HHH(DDD) is only correctly
> measured by the behavior that it actually specifies.

Which, by the definiton of the problem, is the behavior of the direct 
execution of the program the input represent,

> 
> Since DDD <is> a sequence of programming instructions
> this behavior must be measured according to its
> computer language.

Right, and since your input calls a location of memory which has not 
been include, that input is just a category error.

> 
> _DDD()
> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
> [00002173] 8bec       mov  ebp,esp  ; housekeeping
> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
> [0000217f] 83c404     add  esp,+04
> [00002182] 5d         pop  ebp
> [00002183] c3         ret
> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
> 
> When DDD calls HHH(DDD) HHH is not free to
> "interpret" this call as meaning JMP 00002183.
> 

Right, it must interprete it as push the address 0000217F onto the stack 
and then jump to 000015d2, as that *IS* the definition of the 
instruction in the language. SInce you don't show that next, all those 
traces are just INCORRECT.

It is NOT somehow get into a new call to 00002172, especially since we 
never come to a call or jump to that address, it was only passed as a 
parameter, that was proceessed as data.

Thus the processor will NEVER AGIAN exeucte those insturcions.


Sorry, you are just proving how little you understand of what you lie 
about, causing your lies to be so obvious to those that know even a 
little bit of the field.

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