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Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable

Started byolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
First post2025-05-04 21:23 -0500
Last post2025-05-06 22:07 -0400
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  Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 21:23 -0500
    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-05 10:01 +0300
    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 10:47 +0000
      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 10:33 -0500
        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 16:05 +0000
          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 12:30 -0500
            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 18:19 +0000
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 13:44 -0500
                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 18:52 +0000
                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 14:22 -0500
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 19:34 +0000
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 14:52 -0500
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-05 20:12 +0000
                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 16:03 -0500
                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-06 08:30 +0000
                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 09:43 -0500
                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 21:57 -0400
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-06 10:04 +0000
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 12:14 -0500
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 22:01 -0400
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-07 10:52 +0300
    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-05 07:04 -0400
      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-05 14:46 +0000
        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-05 16:51 +0100
          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-05 16:10 +0000
            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-05 17:59 +0100
        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-05 21:08 -0400
      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 10:31 -0500
        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-05 21:11 -0400
          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 21:26 -0500
            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 07:16 -0400
        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 23:27 -0500
          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-06 08:17 +0000
            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 09:36 -0500
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-06 15:38 +0000
                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-06 17:16 +0100
                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-07 17:01 +0100
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 17:22 +0100
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-07 17:11 +0000
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 18:51 +0100
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 18:59 +0100
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-09 01:58 +0100
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 05:43 +0100
                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 12:55 -0500
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 19:14 +0100
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-07 18:17 +0000
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 19:32 +0100
                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-07 19:11 +0000
                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 22:23 +0100
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 13:31 -0500
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 14:32 -0400
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 19:59 +0100
                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 14:35 -0500
                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 22:30 +0100
                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:46 -0500
                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 17:47 -0400
                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:56 -0500
                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:05 -0400
                                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:05 -0500
                                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 19:10 -0400
                                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:16 -0500
                                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 19:18 -0400
                                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:26 -0500
                                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 19:31 -0400
                                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:39 -0500
                                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 20:14 -0400
                                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:40 -0500
                                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 20:15 -0400
                                                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 19:19 -0500
                                                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 20:44 -0400
                                                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 20:20 -0500
                                                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 21:30 -0400
                                                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 20:48 -0500
                                                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 21:59 -0400
                                                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 05:09 +0100
                                                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 00:22 -0500
                                                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 06:33 +0100
                                                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-08 17:14 +0100
                                                                    Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 12:00 -0500
                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-08 21:04 +0200
                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 14:42 -0500
                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 21:01 +0100
                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-08 21:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 23:12 +0100
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 15:26 -0700
                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 15:31 -0700
                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 17:47 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 16:45 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:53 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 17:00 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 19:14 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 21:07 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 20:33 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:11 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:54 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 05:50 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 00:01 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 06:23 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 06:52 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 10:41 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:39 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 12:50 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 09:39 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 21:02 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 19:23 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:28 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:18 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2025-05-08 23:01 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:22 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 23:56 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:00 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 06:59 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:16 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 12:52 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 09:52 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 12:57 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 09:59 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 10:47 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:48 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 13:00 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 14:46 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 21:07 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 15:15 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 17:35 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 22:40 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 17:18 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 18:31 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 19:34 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 01:26 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:14 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 19:40 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:13 +0800
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 22:24 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:43 +0800
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:18 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 12:32 +0800
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:44 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 12:51 +0800
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                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 00:19 -0500
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                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 14:00 +0800
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                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 14:19 +0800
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                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 17:14 +0200
                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 23:14 +0800
                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 10:43 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:44 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 17:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 18:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 17:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 08:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 08:37 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 08:36 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:16 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 08:54 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 08:53 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:53 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:13 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 00:18 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:25 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 08:59 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:22 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:31 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:21 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:34 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 09:42 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 09:09 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 22:13 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:45 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:18 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 11:24 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 17:34 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:05 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 11:18 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2025-05-09 13:59 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-10 01:23 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 19:48 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:20 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:41 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 03:59 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:06 -0400
                                                                                                  Repetitive posting [ Was: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)] Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-10 10:21 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Repetitive posting [ Was: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)] olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 09:30 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Repetitive posting [ Was: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)] dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 10:57 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Repetitive posting [ Was: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)] "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 16:57 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Repetitive posting [ Was: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)] Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:21 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:38 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:12 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 22:17 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:29 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:27 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:44 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 09:15 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:23 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:42 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 05:35 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 22:18 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 06:41 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 10:39 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:33 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-09 15:42 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:53 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:06 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 13:58 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:46 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:41 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:08 -0400
                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 17:50 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 00:30 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:41 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 00:46 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 16:54 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 19:05 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 21:13 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 20:35 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 19:14 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-09 06:10 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 22:37 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:13 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 11:03 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 11:02 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:09 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:49 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 19:02 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:22 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:30 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 14:37 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 09:33 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 16:54 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 23:28 +0800
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 10:45 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 00:06 +0800
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:19 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 12:21 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 00:29 +0800
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 11:47 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 01:01 +0800
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 12:17 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 13:19 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 02:09 +0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 13:17 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 14:24 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 02:37 +0800
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 13:47 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 03:02 +0800
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 14:29 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 05:44 +0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 17:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 18:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-10 22:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 19:03 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-10 23:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 18:57 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 09:17 +0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 20:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 02:43 +0100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 09:44 +0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 20:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 10:09 +0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 21:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 07:03 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:34 +0800
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 10:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 00:28 +0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 12:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 01:21 +0800
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 12:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 13:44 -0400
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 02:38 +0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 15:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 16:21 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 04:23 +0800
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 15:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 15:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 17:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 05:48 +0800
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 17:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 17:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 06:11 +0800
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 17:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 06:50 +0800
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 18:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 08:33 +0800
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 19:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 21:15 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 20:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:56 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-16 15:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-16 10:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-16 12:04 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-17 11:09 +0300
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 19:59 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOS detector olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 19:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOS detector dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:01 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOS detector joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-12 09:22 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOS detector olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 10:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 19:34 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 17:06 -0400
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-12 11:03 +0300
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 10:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 11:06 -0400
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 11:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 12:41 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 11:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 13:07 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 12:16 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 13:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 12:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 14:19 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:23 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-13 13:19 +0300
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-12 21:29 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-05-12 23:10 -0400
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 16:25 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-12 17:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 12:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:38 -0400
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-05-12 23:11 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 22:12 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 21:54 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-11 11:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 11:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 16:36 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 19:36 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:20 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 18:52 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:32 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:25 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-10 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 13:56 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 15:03 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:33 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-10 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-10 20:07 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-10 20:17 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 15:29 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 18:58 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-11 10:34 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-11 11:48 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 12:57 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-11 12:09 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 13:12 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-11 12:17 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 13:36 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-11 12:41 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 14:58 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 10:44 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 16:49 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 16:50 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 10:14 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 16:27 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 15:26 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-10 20:45 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 15:58 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 17:01 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 19:23 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 19:04 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 21:27 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-10 20:22 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 15:42 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-10 16:50 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 19:27 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-11 11:13 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 11:44 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 12:52 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 12:35 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 13:43 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:10 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 18:11 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-12 01:38 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 19:48 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 20:58 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 20:05 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:07 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:11 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:39 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 21:27 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 20:56 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:59 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:14 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:28 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:38 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:49 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:57 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 23:03 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 23:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 23:54 -0400
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 23:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 07:46 -0400
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 11:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 12:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-12 21:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:01 +0200
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:05 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:44 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:42 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-12 02:25 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-12 18:03 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-12 18:05 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-12 19:13 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-13 01:18 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-13 03:38 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-12 19:06 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-13 03:17 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-12 21:32 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:59 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 12:58 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-13 03:41 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-13 09:01 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-13 18:46 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 16:04 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-13 18:45 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 20:58 -0400
                                                                                                                              How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 20:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 21:19 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 20:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 21:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                      Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 20:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 21:58 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 21:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 22:44 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 22:18 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 23:35 -0400
                                                                                                                                            Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-14 08:17 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 10:06 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-14 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 13:42 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 19:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 14:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 20:17 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 14:21 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 20:49 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 15:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 21:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 15:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 21:26 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-14 20:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 15:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 21:54 +0100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-14 21:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-14 20:20 +0100
                                                                                                                                                    Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 14:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 17:18 -0400
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-14 21:51 -0400
                                                                                                                                              Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-15 00:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 18:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 18:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-05-15 01:02 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 19:09 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-14 07:46 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-14 10:23 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-11 19:54 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 17:02 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 16:15 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 19:39 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 19:29 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-11 21:31 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 21:03 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 22:05 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-12 22:49 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 12:46 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 12:48 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-13 13:16 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-11 12:26 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-11 12:34 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2025-05-11 14:38 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 10:26 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-11 16:38 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 11:58 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 15:25 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 09:45 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:13 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 11:00 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:59 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:15 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 10:52 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 16:49 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:59 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 21:15 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 20:41 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:18 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:30 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:13 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:35 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-05-09 04:14 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 22:34 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-09 09:48 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:08 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-09 15:47 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:57 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:22 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:12 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 21:11 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 23:49 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 22:31 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 00:49 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 23:17 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:03 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:24 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:21 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:18 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:15 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 18:02 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 19:36 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 18:43 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 20:37 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 15:28 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 01:29 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 20:38 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 01:48 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 19:54 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:25 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:43 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:08 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 19:51 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 02:15 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:29 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 02:32 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:50 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:48 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 03:15 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:20 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:39 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:47 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:12 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:46 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 11:03 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 14:57 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 09:17 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:10 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 14:59 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:34 -0400
                                                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 20:50 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-10 03:19 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:27 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:17 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 22:29 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:50 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 23:05 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-10 09:20 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 14:55 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:32 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 22:30 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 21:45 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 23:22 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 11:14 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 11:04 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:25 -0400
                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 16:41 -0500
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 23:13 +0100
                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 17:20 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 07:25 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:55 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:29 -0400
                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 10:33 +0200
                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 10:29 -0500
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:32 -0400
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 09:37 +0200
                                                                      Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 19:35 -0400
                                                                        Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 18:48 -0500
                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 21:18 -0400
                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-08 20:55 -0500
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 22:26 -0400
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 11:28 +0200
                                                                                Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 11:13 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:33 -0400
                                                                          Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-09 11:25 +0200
                                                                            Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-09 11:11 -0500
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-09 14:34 -0400
                                                                              Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2025-05-10 09:53 +0200
                                                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 18:45 +0100
                                                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-08 07:21 -0400
                                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:41 -0500
                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 22:52 +0100
                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:59 -0500
                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 23:16 +0100
                                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-05-07 22:26 +0000
                                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 23:29 +0100
                                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:09 -0500
                                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 03:24 +0100
                                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 21:41 -0500
                                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 05:12 +0100
                                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 21:33 -0700
                                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 23:54 -0500
                                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-08 06:02 +0100
                                Re: faithful simulations [was: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable] joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-05-08 11:07 +0000
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 14:18 -0400
                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 13:35 -0500
                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 14:38 -0400
                          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 15:03 -0500
                            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:07 -0400
                              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 15:39 -0500
                                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:53 -0400
                                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 15:58 -0500
                                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 17:03 -0400
                                      Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 16:24 -0500
                                        Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 17:29 -0400
                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 13:03 -0500
                    Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-08 11:38 +0300
                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 12:06 -0500
                Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-07 11:02 +0300
                  Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 09:19 +0100
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 22:04 -0400
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-05-07 10:57 +0300
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-07 09:05 +0100
          Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 07:20 -0400
            Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable ---ELABORATED olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 12:46 -0500
              Re: Formal systems that cannot possibly be incomplete except for unknowns and unknowable ---ELABORATED Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2025-05-06 22:07 -0400

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#118869 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

From"Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
Date2025-05-13 12:46 +0200
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvv7ta$1ov7e$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118618
Op 12.mei.2025 om 04:03 schreef olcott:
> On 5/11/2025 8:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 5/11/25 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/11/2025 6:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 5/11/25 5:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 5/11/2025 4:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/11/25 12:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 
>>>>>>>>>> paper where
>>>>>>>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if 
>>>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>>>> even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet 
>>>>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>>>>> ready to denigrate his work.
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for 
>>>>>>>>>> insinuations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem 
>>>>>>>>> proof
>>>>>>>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>>>>>>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>>>>>>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever 
>>>>>>>>> value
>>>>>>>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>>>>>>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD 
>>>>>>>> then does
>>>>>>>> the opposite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that
>>>>>>> its actual input actually specifies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is DEFINED to be the bahavior of the program that the input 
>>>>>> represents when run.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you define 5 == 6 you are simply wrong.
>>>>> That definition contradicts other axioms.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And where did I do that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> When the definition of the halting problem requires
>>> the termination analyzer H to report on behavior besides
>>> the behavior of the input D simulated by H according
>>> to the rules of the computational language that the
>>> input D is encoded within.
>>>
>>
>> Where do you get that behavior to be decided needs to be based on the 
>> partial simulation of the decider.
>>
> 
> The behavior of the input to HHH(DDD) is only correctly
> measured by the behavior that it actually specifies.

And the input specifies a program that includes HHH, which has code to 
abort.
That this input specifies a halting program is proven with direct 
execution and world-class simulators.
Of course it is possible to create a simulator that does not reach the 
reachable end of the simulation.
An example of such a program is HHH.

> 
> Since DDD <is> a sequence of programming instructions
> this behavior must be measured according to its
> computer language.
> 
> _DDD()
> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
> [00002173] 8bec       mov  ebp,esp  ; housekeeping
> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
> [0000217f] 83c404     add  esp,+04
> [00002182] 5d         pop  ebp
> [00002183] c3         ret
> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
> 
> When DDD calls HHH(DDD) HHH is not free to
> "interpret" this call as meaning JMP 00002183.
> 
> 

Neither is HHH free to 'interpret' this call as 'stop the simulation'. A 
correct simulation (such as by HHH1) sees that HHH halts, but due to a 
bug HHH does not see that.
That HHH does not see the full specification of the input, does not 
prove that the it was not specified in the input.

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#118870 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

From"Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
Date2025-05-13 12:48 +0200
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvv81p$1ov7e$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118567
Op 11.mei.2025 om 23:15 schreef olcott:
> On 5/11/2025 4:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 5/11/25 12:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>>>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 paper 
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if you'd
>>>>>> even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet you're
>>>>>> ready to denigrate his work.
>>>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for 
>>>>>> insinuations.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem proof
>>>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever value
>>>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
>>>
>>>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD then does
>>>> the opposite.
>>>>
>>>
>>> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that
>>> its actual input actually specifies.
>>
>>
>> Which is DEFINED to be the bahavior of the program that the input 
>> represents when run.
> 
> When you define 5 == 6 you are simply wrong.
> That definition contradicts other axioms.
> 

Saying that 5 == 6 is the same as saying that the  HHH that aborts is 
exactly the same as the HHH that does not abort. (Both have only a tiny 
difference.)

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#118876 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

From"Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
Date2025-05-13 13:16 +0200
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvv9mj$1p49q$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118509
Op 11.mei.2025 om 18:44 schreef olcott:
> On 5/11/2025 6:13 AM, joes wrote:
>> Am Sat, 10 May 2025 15:42:13 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>
>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 paper where
>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if you'd
>>>> even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet you're
>>>> ready to denigrate his work.
>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for insinuations.
>>>>
>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem proof
>>> that is wrongheaded.
>>> (1) It is anchored in the false assumption that an input to a
>>> termination analyzer can actually do this opposite of whatever value
>>> that this analyzer returns. No one ever notices that this "do the
>>> opposite" code is unreachable.
> 
>> The simulated DDD doesn't matter. HHH returns to DDD, and DDD then does
>> the opposite.
>>
> 
> HHH is only allowed to report on the behavior that
> its actual input actually specifies.
> 
> int sum(int x, int y) { return x + y; }
> sum(3,2) is not allowed to report on the sum of 5 + 7
> because that is not what its input specifies.

Since the input for HHH specifies the conditional abort, HHH should 
report on that halting behaviour.
Reporting on a hypothetical HHH that is not in the input that does not 
abort is similar to reporting 5+7 to sum(3,2).

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#118471 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromAlan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Date2025-05-11 12:26 +0000
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvq528$23e7$1@news.muc.de>
In reply to#118399
olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 May 2025 18:48:12 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/10/2025 7:37 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:

>>>> [ .... ]

>>>>>> I guess that not even a professor of theoretical computer science
>>>>>> would spend years working on so few lines of code.


>>>>> I created a whole x86utm operating system.
>>>>> It correctly determines that the halting problem's otherwise
>>>>> "impossible" input is actually non halting.

>>>> You've spent over 20 years on this matter.  Compare this with Alan
>>>> Turing's solution of the Entscheidungsproblem.  He published this in
>>>> 1936 when he was just 24 years old.

>>> Turing didn't solve anything: what he published contained a mistake: the
>>> category (type) error that I have described previously in this forum.

>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 paper where
>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if you'd even
>> looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet you're ready to
>> denigrate his work.

>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for insinuations.

>>> /Flibble


> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of
> the halting problem proof that is wrongheaded.

You are, in fact, quite wrong.  The halting problem is in the field of
mathematics.  You are ignorant of this field, thus unable to contribute
towards it, or make judgments about it.  

If you still think you are correct, and cannot point out a flaw in Alan
Turing's original 1936 paper, perhaps you can find somebody qualified,
i.e. with (at least) a first degree in mathematics, to back up your
claim.

Otherwise your credibility lies close to zero.

[ .... ]

> -- 
> Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

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#118472 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromMr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp>
Date2025-05-11 12:34 +0000
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<4P0UP.670054$BFJ.182065@fx13.ams4>
In reply to#118471
On Sun, 11 May 2025 12:26:48 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>> Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 May 2025 18:48:12 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> 
>>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/10/2025 7:37 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
> 
>>>>> [ .... ]
> 
>>>>>>> I guess that not even a professor of theoretical computer science
>>>>>>> would spend years working on so few lines of code.
> 
> 
>>>>>> I created a whole x86utm operating system.
>>>>>> It correctly determines that the halting problem's otherwise
>>>>>> "impossible" input is actually non halting.
> 
>>>>> You've spent over 20 years on this matter.  Compare this with Alan
>>>>> Turing's solution of the Entscheidungsproblem.  He published this in
>>>>> 1936 when he was just 24 years old.
> 
>>>> Turing didn't solve anything: what he published contained a mistake:
>>>> the category (type) error that I have described previously in this
>>>> forum.
> 
>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 paper
>>> where this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if
>>> you'd even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet
>>> you're ready to denigrate his work.
> 
>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for
>>> insinuations.
> 
>>>> /Flibble
> 
> 
>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem proof
>> that is wrongheaded.
> 
> You are, in fact, quite wrong.  The halting problem is in the field of
> mathematics.  You are ignorant of this field, thus unable to contribute
> towards it, or make judgments about it.
> 
> If you still think you are correct, and cannot point out a flaw in Alan
> Turing's original 1936 paper, perhaps you can find somebody qualified,
> i.e. with (at least) a first degree in mathematics, to back up your
> claim.

Appealing to authority is a logical fallacy.

> 
> Otherwise your credibility lies close to zero.

Ad hominem attack is a logical fallacy.

/Flibble

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#118478 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromAlan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Date2025-05-11 14:38 +0000
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvqcp6$n6u$1@news.muc.de>
In reply to#118472
Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2025 12:26:48 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>> Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 May 2025 18:48:12 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

>>>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/10/2025 7:37 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:

>>>>>> [ .... ]

>>>>>>>> I guess that not even a professor of theoretical computer science
>>>>>>>> would spend years working on so few lines of code.


>>>>>>> I created a whole x86utm operating system.
>>>>>>> It correctly determines that the halting problem's otherwise
>>>>>>> "impossible" input is actually non halting.

>>>>>> You've spent over 20 years on this matter.  Compare this with Alan
>>>>>> Turing's solution of the Entscheidungsproblem.  He published this in
>>>>>> 1936 when he was just 24 years old.

>>>>> Turing didn't solve anything: what he published contained a mistake:
>>>>> the category (type) error that I have described previously in this
>>>>> forum.

>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 paper
>>>> where this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if
>>>> you'd even looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet
>>>> you're ready to denigrate his work.

>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for
>>>> insinuations.

>>>>> /Flibble


>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of the halting problem proof
>>> that is wrongheaded.

>> You are, in fact, quite wrong.  The halting problem is in the field of
>> mathematics.  You are ignorant of this field, thus unable to contribute
>> towards it, or make judgments about it.

>> If you still think you are correct, and cannot point out a flaw in Alan
>> Turing's original 1936 paper, perhaps you can find somebody qualified,
>> i.e. with (at least) a first degree in mathematics, to back up your
>> claim.

> Appealing to authority is a logical fallacy.

I agree, it would be.

Insisting on competence is entirely different.  You and PO are
insufficiently competent in mathematics to express your ideas coherently
and persuasively.  Finding a qualified mathematician willing to present
those ideas coherently would enable them to be discussed and
comprehensively dismissed.

I put it to you that you will not find anybody with a maths degree
willing to do this.  You cannot point to a definite flaw in Turing's 1936
paper.  All this suggests you, both of you, are simply wrong.

>> Otherwise your credibility lies close to zero.

> Ad hominem attack is a logical fallacy.

It is, yes.  What's that got to do with anything, here?

> /Flibble

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

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#118485 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-11 10:26 -0500
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvqfju$gldn$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118471
On 5/11/2025 7:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>> Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 May 2025 18:48:12 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> 
>>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/10/2025 7:37 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
> 
>>>>> [ .... ]
> 
>>>>>>> I guess that not even a professor of theoretical computer science
>>>>>>> would spend years working on so few lines of code.
> 
> 
>>>>>> I created a whole x86utm operating system.
>>>>>> It correctly determines that the halting problem's otherwise
>>>>>> "impossible" input is actually non halting.
> 
>>>>> You've spent over 20 years on this matter.  Compare this with Alan
>>>>> Turing's solution of the Entscheidungsproblem.  He published this in
>>>>> 1936 when he was just 24 years old.
> 
>>>> Turing didn't solve anything: what he published contained a mistake: the
>>>> category (type) error that I have described previously in this forum.
> 
>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 paper where
>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if you'd even
>>> looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet you're ready to
>>> denigrate his work.
> 
>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for insinuations.
> 
>>>> /Flibble
> 
> 
>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of
>> the halting problem proof that is wrongheaded.
> 
> You are, in fact, quite wrong.  The halting problem is in the field of
> mathematics.  You are ignorant of this field, thus unable to contribute
> towards it, or make judgments about it.
> 
> If you still think you are correct, and cannot point out a flaw in Alan
> Turing's original 1936 paper, perhaps you can find somebody qualified,
> i.e. with (at least) a first degree in mathematics, to back up your
> claim.
> 

The flaw is that the conclusion is incorrect.
One can ignore every step in a proof and show
that it is wrong by simply proving that its
conclusion is incorrect.

_DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov  ebp,esp  ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add  esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop  ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]

It is baby talk obvious that DDD emulated by HHH
according to the rules of the x86 language cannot
possibly reach if own "ret" instruction final halt
state. This provides the basis for HHH to reject
DDD as non-halting.

The same thing applies to the Halting Problem's
counter example input:

int DD()
{
   int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}

> Otherwise your credibility lies close to zero.
> 

Credibility has always been a crappy proxy
for validity.

> [ .... ]
> 
>> -- 
>> Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
>> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
> 


-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#118488 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2025-05-11 16:38 +0100
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvqg8q$g8ck$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118485
On 11/05/2025 16:26, olcott wrote:
> On 5/11/2025 7:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

<snip>

>> If you still think you are correct, and cannot point out a flaw 
>> in Alan
>> Turing's original 1936 paper, perhaps you can find somebody 
>> qualified,
>> i.e. with (at least) a first degree in mathematics, to back up 
>> your
>> claim.
>>
> 
> The flaw is that the conclusion is incorrect.

You have not shown this.

> One can ignore every step in a proof and show
> that it is wrong by simply proving that its
> conclusion is incorrect.

The very best way to prove that the conclusion is incorrect is to 
produce a program that can in finite time correctly answer HALTS 
or LOOPS for any arbitrary (syntactically correct) program (in a 
Turing-complete language) and arbitrary data.

Do that, and you shall have not just your Turing Award but also, 
if you play your cards right, a Fields Medal into the bargain.

But your on-paper proof is almost as full of holes as your C 
code, so you've got your work cut out.

<snip>

> The same thing applies to the Halting Problem's
> counter example input:

...which didn't actually compile here, presumably because it was 
written by someone who doesn't know C very well.

When you get to grips with your universal solver, you might want 
to phone a friend to do the coding for you.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#118496 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

Fromdbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-11 11:58 -0400
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvqhef$h4nm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118485
On 5/11/2025 11:26 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/11/2025 7:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/10/2025 3:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>> Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 May 2025 18:48:12 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>
>>>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/10/2025 7:37 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>
>>>>>> [ .... ]
>>
>>>>>>>> I guess that not even a professor of theoretical computer science
>>>>>>>> would spend years working on so few lines of code.
>>
>>
>>>>>>> I created a whole x86utm operating system.
>>>>>>> It correctly determines that the halting problem's otherwise
>>>>>>> "impossible" input is actually non halting.
>>
>>>>>> You've spent over 20 years on this matter.  Compare this with Alan
>>>>>> Turing's solution of the Entscheidungsproblem.  He published this in
>>>>>> 1936 when he was just 24 years old.
>>
>>>>> Turing didn't solve anything: what he published contained a 
>>>>> mistake: the
>>>>> category (type) error that I have described previously in this forum.
>>
>>>> OK, then, give the page and line numbers from Turing's 1936 paper where
>>>> this alleged mistake was made.  I would be surprised indeed if you'd 
>>>> even
>>>> looked at Turing's paper, far less understood it.  Yet you're ready to
>>>> denigrate his work.
>>
>>>> Perhaps it is time for you to withdraw these uncalled for insinuations.
>>
>>>>> /Flibble
>>
>>
>>> It is the whole gist of the entire idea of
>>> the halting problem proof that is wrongheaded.
>>
>> You are, in fact, quite wrong.  The halting problem is in the field of
>> mathematics.  You are ignorant of this field, thus unable to contribute
>> towards it, or make judgments about it.
>>
>> If you still think you are correct, and cannot point out a flaw in Alan
>> Turing's original 1936 paper, perhaps you can find somebody qualified,
>> i.e. with (at least) a first degree in mathematics, to back up your
>> claim.
>>
> 
> The flaw is that the conclusion is incorrect.

False, as it was derived from a series of truth preserving operations 
starting with accepted axioms.

That you don't like the conclusion doesn't make it wrong.

> One can ignore every step in a proof and show
> that it is wrong by simply proving that its
> conclusion is incorrect.
> 
> _DDD()
> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
> [00002173] 8bec       mov  ebp,esp  ; housekeeping
> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
> [0000217f] 83c404     add  esp,+04
> [00002182] 5d         pop  ebp
> [00002183] c3         ret
> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
> 
> It is baby talk obvious that DDD emulated by HHH
> according to the rules of the x86 language 

Is something it doesn't do as you have admitted on the record:


On 5/5/2025 8:24 AM, dbush wrote:
 > On 5/4/2025 11:03 PM, dbush wrote:
 >> On 5/4/2025 10:05 PM, olcott wrote:
 >>> On 5/4/2025 7:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
 >>>> But HHH doesn't correct emulated DD by those rules, as those rules
 >>>> do not allow HHH to stop its emulation,
 >>>
 >>> Sure they do you freaking moron...
 >>
 >> Then show where in the Intel instruction manual that the execution of
 >> any instruction other than a HLT is allowed to stop instead of
 >> executing the next instruction.
 >>
 >> Failure to do so in your next reply, or within one hour of your next
 >> post on this newsgroup, will be taken as you official on-the-record
 >> admission that there is no such allowance and that HHH does NOT
 >> correctly simulate DD.
 >
 > Let the record show that Peter Olcott made the following post in this
 > newsgroup after the above message:
 >
 > On 5/4/2025 11:04 PM, olcott wrote:
 >  > D *WOULD NEVER STOP RUNNING UNLESS*
 >  > indicates that professor Sipser was agreeing
 >  > to hypotheticals AS *NOT CHANGING THE INPUT*
 >  >
 >  > You are taking
 >  > *WOULD NEVER STOP RUNNING UNLESS*
 >  > to mean *NEVER STOPS RUNNING* that is incorrect.
 >
 > And has made no attempt after over 9 hours to show where in the Intel
 > instruction manual that execution is allowed to stop after any
 > instruction other than HLT.
 >
 > Therefore, as per the above criteria:
 >
 > LET THE RECORD SHOW
 >
 > That Peter Olcott
 >
 > Has *officially* admitted
 >
 > That DD is NOT correctly simulated by HHH

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#118386 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromRichard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Date2025-05-10 15:25 -0400
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<83c7f667963d8fffabc66cf3281d5905fcbef5fa@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#118326
On 5/10/25 10:33 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/10/2025 7:37 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>> Am 09.05.2025 um 04:22 schrieb olcott:
>>
>>> Look at their replies to this post.
>>> Not a one of them will agree that
>>>
>>> void DDD()
>>> {
>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>    return; // final halt state
>>> }
>>>
>>> When 1 or more instructions of DDD are correctly
>>> simulated by HHH then the correctly simulated DDD cannot
>>> possibly reach its "return" instruction (final halt state).
>>>
>>> They have consistently disagreed with this
>>> simple point for three years.
>>
>> I guess that not even a professor of theoretical computer
>> science would spend years working on so few lines of code.
>>
> 
> I created a whole x86utm operating system.
> It correctly determines that the halting problem's
> otherwise "impossible" input is actually non halting.

No it doen't

> 
> int DD()
> {
>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>    if (Halt_Status)
>      HERE: goto HERE;
>    return Halt_Status;
> }
> 
> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm
> 

int main() {
   DD();
  }

shows that DD will halt.

I guess you think lies are valid logic, and that strawman requirements 
are valid changes.

Sorry, you are just proving your ustter stupidity.

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#118137 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-09 09:45 -0500
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvl4ea$2rl0l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118085
On 5/8/2025 9:02 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 5/8/2025 6:54 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 5/8/2025 6:30 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>> On 08/05/2025 23:50, olcott wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>>> If you are a competent C programmer
>>>>> Keith Thompson is a highly-respected and very competent C
>>>>> programmer.
>>>>
>>>> *Then he is just who I need*
>>> No, what you need is someone who is an expert in mathematical logic
>>> (I am not) who can explain to you, in terms you can understand and
>>> accept, where you've gone wrong.  Some expertise in C could also
>>> be helpful.
>>
>> The key gap in my proof is that none of the comp.sci
>> people seems to have a slight clue about simple C
>> programming.
> 
> You see, this is something you've gotten wrong, and you need somebody
> who can explain that to you in terms you can understand and accept.
> 
>> void DDD()
>> {
>>    HHH(DDD);
>>    return;
>> }
>>
>> *THIS IS THE C PART THAT NO ONE HERE UNDERSTANDS*
>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly
>> reach its own "return" instruction.
> 
> Is there any reason you couldn't have written that as follows?
> 
> void DDD(void)
> {
>    HHH(DDD);
> }
> 
> You could then talk about it not reaching its closing brace rather
> than not reaching its "return" instruction.  BTW, it's correctly
> called a "return statement" in C; dropping it would make it easier
> to avoid your incorrect use of terminology.  (Assembly or machine
> code has "instructions"; C has "statements" and "declarations".)
> 

I need the "return statement" to explicitly
mark the computer science: "final halt state".

>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH is the same thing
>> as infinite recursion between HHH and DDD yet is
>> implemented as recursive simulation.
> 
> Sure, infinite recursion is infinite, regardless of how it's
> implemented, assuming it's implemented correctly.  That's so trivally
> obvious that I simply don't believe that "the comp.sci" people are
> failing to understand it -- though I can believe that you believe it.
> 

Richard provided the same kind of fake "rebuttal"
that I always get.

void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}

"..DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
possibly REACH its own "return statement".

Everyone here has been denying that simple
statement for three years. They do this by
changing the subject away from the question
being asked to irrelevant details.

I am only referring to the above hypothetical
HHH/DDD pair of C functions.

When 1 or more statements of DDD are correctly
simulated by HHH then the simulated DDD cannot
possibly reach its own "return statement" final
halt state.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#118173 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromRichard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Date2025-05-09 14:13 -0400
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<dbfeffaaf117ed90a9b1f45feb43304b5237a539@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#118137
On 5/9/25 10:45 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/8/2025 9:02 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 5/8/2025 6:54 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> On 5/8/2025 6:30 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/05/2025 23:50, olcott wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> If you are a competent C programmer
>>>>>> Keith Thompson is a highly-respected and very competent C
>>>>>> programmer.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Then he is just who I need*
>>>> No, what you need is someone who is an expert in mathematical logic
>>>> (I am not) who can explain to you, in terms you can understand and
>>>> accept, where you've gone wrong.  Some expertise in C could also
>>>> be helpful.
>>>
>>> The key gap in my proof is that none of the comp.sci
>>> people seems to have a slight clue about simple C
>>> programming.
>>
>> You see, this is something you've gotten wrong, and you need somebody
>> who can explain that to you in terms you can understand and accept.
>>
>>> void DDD()
>>> {
>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>    return;
>>> }
>>>
>>> *THIS IS THE C PART THAT NO ONE HERE UNDERSTANDS*
>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>> reach its own "return" instruction.
>>
>> Is there any reason you couldn't have written that as follows?
>>
>> void DDD(void)
>> {
>>    HHH(DDD);
>> }
>>
>> You could then talk about it not reaching its closing brace rather
>> than not reaching its "return" instruction.  BTW, it's correctly
>> called a "return statement" in C; dropping it would make it easier
>> to avoid your incorrect use of terminology.  (Assembly or machine
>> code has "instructions"; C has "statements" and "declarations".)
>>
> 
> I need the "return statement" to explicitly
> mark the computer science: "final halt state".

No you don't.

Reaching the "end of the function" is a well defined term in the C standard.

But, I guess looking at the actual Standards and the words they define 
is something foreign to youu.

> 
>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH is the same thing
>>> as infinite recursion between HHH and DDD yet is
>>> implemented as recursive simulation.
>>
>> Sure, infinite recursion is infinite, regardless of how it's
>> implemented, assuming it's implemented correctly.  That's so trivally
>> obvious that I simply don't believe that "the comp.sci" people are
>> failing to understand it -- though I can believe that you believe it.
>>
> 
> Richard provided the same kind of fake "rebuttal"
> that I always get.

It isn't fake.

If it was, you could show the error.

> 
> void DDD()
> {
>    HHH(DDD);
>    return;
> }
> 
> "..DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
> possibly REACH its own "return statement".

But HHH can not correct emulate that input.

> 
> Everyone here has been denying that simple
> statement for three years. They do this by
> changing the subject away from the question
> being asked to irrelevant details.

Because it isn't true by your stipulation of what you mean.

> 
> I am only referring to the above hypothetical
> HHH/DDD pair of C functions.

And DDD as a function isn't emulatable until you actually add the HHH it 
calls as the input.

Then you final logic is broken.


> 
> When 1 or more statements of DDD are correctly
> simulated by HHH then the simulated DDD cannot
> possibly reach its own "return statement" final
> halt state.
> 

Which must stop once DDD calls HHH, as HHH has not been given that code 
as its input, and thus it isn't ALLOWED to look there to access it.

You have stipulated as much.

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#118122 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

From"Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
Date2025-05-09 11:00 +0200
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvkg76$2m36t$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118071
Op 09.mei.2025 om 02:05 schreef olcott:
> On 5/8/2025 6:54 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 5/8/2025 6:30 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> On 08/05/2025 23:50, olcott wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>> If you are a competent C programmer
>>>> Keith Thompson is a highly-respected and very competent C
>>>> programmer.
>>>
>>> *Then he is just who I need*
>>
>> No, what you need is someone who is an expert in mathematical logic
>> (I am not) who can explain to you, in terms you can understand and
>> accept, where you've gone wrong.  Some expertise in C could also
>> be helpful.
>>
> 
> The key gap in my proof is that none of the comp.sci
> people seems to have a slight clue about simple C
> programming.
> 
> void DDD()
> {
>    HHH(DDD);
>    return;
> }
> 
> *THIS IS THE C PART THAT NO ONE HERE UNDERSTANDS*
> DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly
> reach its own "return" instruction.

The HHH that you propose and is included in DDD does halt. But it is 
known that this HHH prematurely aborts which makes it impossible for the 
simulation to reach the reachable 'return'. HHH simply ignores the 
conditional abort in the simulation.

The hypothetical HHH, that does not abort would reach the 'return' when 
given the same input.

We could also construct another hypothetical DDD based on this 
hypothetical HHH, but then the simulation would get stuck in infinite 
recursion.

But since those hypothetical functions only exist in your dreams, they 
are irrelevant for the discussion about the HHH that your propose, which 
aborts.

> 
> DDD correctly simulated by HHH is the same thing
> as infinite recursion between HHH and DDD yet is
> implemented as recursive simulation.

That is true in your dreams of the non-aborting HHH. In reality there is 
a HHH that aborts, so there is only a finite recursion.
I am sorry for you that the truth disturbs your dreams.

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#118152 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-09 10:59 -0500
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvl8ol$2rl0l$14@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118122
On 5/9/2025 4:00 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 09.mei.2025 om 02:05 schreef olcott:
>> On 5/8/2025 6:54 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 5/8/2025 6:30 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>> On 08/05/2025 23:50, olcott wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>>> If you are a competent C programmer
>>>>> Keith Thompson is a highly-respected and very competent C
>>>>> programmer.
>>>>
>>>> *Then he is just who I need*
>>>
>>> No, what you need is someone who is an expert in mathematical logic
>>> (I am not) who can explain to you, in terms you can understand and
>>> accept, where you've gone wrong.  Some expertise in C could also
>>> be helpful.
>>>
>>
>> The key gap in my proof is that none of the comp.sci
>> people seems to have a slight clue about simple C
>> programming.
>>
>> void DDD()
>> {
>>    HHH(DDD);
>>    return;
>> }
>>
>> *THIS IS THE C PART THAT NO ONE HERE UNDERSTANDS*
>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly
>> reach its own "return" instruction.
> 
> The HHH that you propose and is included in DDD does halt. But it is 
> known that this HHH prematurely aborts which makes it impossible for the 
> simulation to reach the reachable 'return'. HHH simply ignores the 
> conditional abort in the simulation.
> 

void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}

When 1 or more statements of DDD are correctly
simulated by HHH then this correctly simulated
DDD cannot possibly reach its own “return statement”.



-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#118174 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromRichard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Date2025-05-09 14:15 -0400
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<7200109db6d728ec79dd794bf3537999b842736d@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#118152
On 5/9/25 11:59 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/9/2025 4:00 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>> Op 09.mei.2025 om 02:05 schreef olcott:
>>> On 5/8/2025 6:54 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> On 5/8/2025 6:30 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/05/2025 23:50, olcott wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> If you are a competent C programmer
>>>>>> Keith Thompson is a highly-respected and very competent C
>>>>>> programmer.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Then he is just who I need*
>>>>
>>>> No, what you need is someone who is an expert in mathematical logic
>>>> (I am not) who can explain to you, in terms you can understand and
>>>> accept, where you've gone wrong.  Some expertise in C could also
>>>> be helpful.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The key gap in my proof is that none of the comp.sci
>>> people seems to have a slight clue about simple C
>>> programming.
>>>
>>> void DDD()
>>> {
>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>    return;
>>> }
>>>
>>> *THIS IS THE C PART THAT NO ONE HERE UNDERSTANDS*
>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>> reach its own "return" instruction.
>>
>> The HHH that you propose and is included in DDD does halt. But it is 
>> known that this HHH prematurely aborts which makes it impossible for 
>> the simulation to reach the reachable 'return'. HHH simply ignores the 
>> conditional abort in the simulation.
>>
> 
> void DDD()
> {
>    HHH(DDD);
>    return;
> }
> 
> When 1 or more statements of DDD are correctly
> simulated by HHH then this correctly simulated
> DDD cannot possibly reach its own “return statement”.
> 
> 
> 

But HHH can't do that, as it can't emulate past the CALL HHH instruciton 
as it hasn't been give the code there as part of its input.

You have stipulated that much.

Are you admitting to your equivocation and changing your stipulations?

Remember, once the input includes the copy of HHH, then HHH the correct 
emulator and HHH the decider are diffferent programs and thus the DDD 
paired with one is a different input than DDD paired with the other.

So, all you are doing is proving you logic is based on lies of equivocation.

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#118300 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

From"Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
Date2025-05-10 10:52 +0200
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvn454$3d8ic$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118152
Op 09.mei.2025 om 17:59 schreef olcott:
> On 5/9/2025 4:00 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>> Op 09.mei.2025 om 02:05 schreef olcott:
>>> On 5/8/2025 6:54 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> On 5/8/2025 6:30 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/05/2025 23:50, olcott wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> If you are a competent C programmer
>>>>>> Keith Thompson is a highly-respected and very competent C
>>>>>> programmer.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Then he is just who I need*
>>>>
>>>> No, what you need is someone who is an expert in mathematical logic
>>>> (I am not) who can explain to you, in terms you can understand and
>>>> accept, where you've gone wrong.  Some expertise in C could also
>>>> be helpful.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The key gap in my proof is that none of the comp.sci
>>> people seems to have a slight clue about simple C
>>> programming.
>>>
>>> void DDD()
>>> {
>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>    return;
>>> }
>>>
>>> *THIS IS THE C PART THAT NO ONE HERE UNDERSTANDS*
>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>> reach its own "return" instruction.
>>
>> The HHH that you propose and is included in DDD does halt. But it is 
>> known that this HHH prematurely aborts which makes it impossible for 
>> the simulation to reach the reachable 'return'. HHH simply ignores the 
>> conditional abort in the simulation.
>>
> 
> void DDD()
> {
>    HHH(DDD);
>    return;
> }
> 
> When 1 or more statements of DDD are correctly
> simulated by HHH then this correctly simulated
> DDD cannot possibly reach its own “return statement”.
> 
No need to repeat this failure of HHH to reach the end of a halting 
program again and again.

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#118066 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-08 16:49 -0700
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<87a57mek8r.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#118059
olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
[...]
> void DDD()
> {
>   HHH(DDD);
>   return;
> }
>
> If you are a competent C programmer then you
> know that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
> possibly each its own "return" instruction.

"cannot possibly each"?

I am a competent C programmer (and I don't believe you can make
the same claim).  I don't know what HHH is.  The name "HHH" tells
me nothing about what it's supposed to do.  Without knowing what
HHH is, I can't say much about your code (or is it pseudo-code?).

The return statement is harmless but unnecessary.

"void DDD()" should be "void DDD(void)" (unless you're using C23, but
we've established that your not).  Why did you choose to use empty
parentheses?  (If you answer nothing else, please answer that.)

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#118069 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-08 18:59 -0500
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvjgh7$28g5i$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118066
On 5/8/2025 6:49 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
> [...]
>> void DDD()
>> {
>>    HHH(DDD);
>>    return;
>> }
>>
>> If you are a competent C programmer then you
>> know that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
>> possibly each its own "return" instruction.
> 
> "cannot possibly each"?
> 
> I am a competent C programmer (and I don't believe you can make
> the same claim).  I don't know what HHH is.  The name "HHH" tells
> me nothing about what it's supposed to do.  Without knowing what
> HHH is, I can't say much about your code (or is it pseudo-code?).
> 

For the purpose of this discussion HHH is exactly
what I said it is. It correctly simulates DDD.

We need not know anything else about HHH to
know that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
possibly REACH its own "return" instruction.

> The return statement is harmless but unnecessary.
> 
> "void DDD()" should be "void DDD(void)" (unless you're using C23, but
> we've established that your not).  Why did you choose to use empty
> parentheses?  (If you answer nothing else, please answer that.)
> 

I am using Microsoft Visual Studio 2017.
It compiled cleanly.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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#118077 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

FromRichard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Date2025-05-08 21:15 -0400
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<72534fb9a4c0c3b61d3d58849f5f690a56b41ef8@i2pn2.org>
In reply to#118069
On 5/8/25 7:59 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 5/8/2025 6:49 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
>> [...]
>>> void DDD()
>>> {
>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>    return;
>>> }
>>>
>>> If you are a competent C programmer then you
>>> know that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
>>> possibly each its own "return" instruction.
>>
>> "cannot possibly each"?
>>
>> I am a competent C programmer (and I don't believe you can make
>> the same claim).  I don't know what HHH is.  The name "HHH" tells
>> me nothing about what it's supposed to do.  Without knowing what
>> HHH is, I can't say much about your code (or is it pseudo-code?).
>>
> 
> For the purpose of this discussion HHH is exactly
> what I said it is. It correctly simulates DDD.

So you retract your stipulations?

> 
> We need not know anything else about HHH to
> know that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
> possibly REACH its own "return" instruction.

Excpet that then you can't change HHH to make it the decider, as that 
changes the code of the program to be decided.

But then you have already admitted that you aren't looking at programs, 
and thus just lying about working on the actual halting problem or 
replicating the proof PROGRAM.

> 
>> The return statement is harmless but unnecessary.
>>
>> "void DDD()" should be "void DDD(void)" (unless you're using C23, but
>> we've established that your not).  Why did you choose to use empty
>> parentheses?  (If you answer nothing else, please answer that.)
>>
> 
> I am using Microsoft Visual Studio 2017.
> It compiled cleanly.
> 

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#118082 — Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)

Fromolcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Date2025-05-08 20:41 -0500
SubjectRe: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD)
Message-ID<vvjmfi$28g5i$9@dont-email.me>
In reply to#118077
On 5/8/2025 8:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 5/8/25 7:59 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 5/8/2025 6:49 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> writes:
>>> [...]
>>>> void DDD()
>>>> {
>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>    return;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> If you are a competent C programmer then you
>>>> know that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
>>>> possibly each its own "return" instruction.
>>>
>>> "cannot possibly each"?
>>>
>>> I am a competent C programmer (and I don't believe you can make
>>> the same claim).  I don't know what HHH is.  The name "HHH" tells
>>> me nothing about what it's supposed to do.  Without knowing what
>>> HHH is, I can't say much about your code (or is it pseudo-code?).
>>>
>>
>> For the purpose of this discussion HHH is exactly
>> what I said it is. It correctly simulates DDD.
> 
> So you retract your stipulations?
> 
>>
>> We need not know anything else about HHH to
>> know that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
>> possibly REACH its own "return" instruction.
> 
> Excpet that then you can't change HHH to make it the decider, as that 
> changes the code of the program to be decided.
> 

*We can't get to that step until after this step is complete*
So you agree with my above paragraph:

We need not know anything else about HHH to
know that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
possibly REACH its own "return" instruction.


-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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