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Newsreaders

Started byMichelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org>
First post2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
Last post2014-02-09 17:41 -0700
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  Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 11:56 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-16 15:20 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 13:01 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 12:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 14:41 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 19:58 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 15:05 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:42 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:23 +1100
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 10:09 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:57 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 13:20 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 14:04 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:10 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 14:35 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:39 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 15:30 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:35 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-27 22:10 -0400
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:59 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 20:37 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:16 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:38 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:49 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 18:59 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 00:28 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 22:03 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 00:49 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 19:01 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 02:59 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 00:50 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 04:16 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 22:03 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 12:36 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:34 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 00:49 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 19:04 +1300
            Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:18 -0700
            Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 20:34 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:48 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 21:50 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:57 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 16:04 -0700
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 23:24 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 12:41 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-28 15:51 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:28 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:55 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 17:01 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:21 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 19:24 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-27 23:42 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 20:09 -0400
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 00:16 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:11 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 13:54 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 09:53 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:27 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 04:50 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 22:01 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:04 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-10-30 12:11 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:27 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:56 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-11-17 19:28 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 09:56 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:39 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:43 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-27 20:30 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 11:02 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:07 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:29 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 00:48 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 16:01 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:21 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:31 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 08:57 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:25 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:22 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 13:29 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 01:43 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:04 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 18:25 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 01:33 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:37 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 19:25 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 07:25 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 04:07 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:00 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:24 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:26 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:35 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 16:28 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 13:33 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 21:43 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:39 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:31 +1300
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:36 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:42 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:29 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 16:44 -0400
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:15 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 21:37 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 14:17 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 22:20 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 23:01 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 16:27 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-28 21:25 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 22:41 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-29 00:36 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-29 10:10 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:25 +1300
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 05:00 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 22:01 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:14 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-30 13:42 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 14:49 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-30 22:32 +0100
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 07:00 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 13:56 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 14:24 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 19:19 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:30 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 17:37 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 23:00 +0100
                              Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 18:36 -0400
                              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-01 01:32 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-01 10:39 -0500
                                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-02 10:00 +1300
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-01 16:43 -0500
                              Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 11:02 -0400
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 16:23 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-31 10:41 -0500
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 17:09 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 11:02 -0700
                              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:34 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 15:13 -0700
                              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 10:52 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 15:14 -0700
                                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 14:08 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-01 01:33 +0000
                                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 19:26 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:32 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 19:06 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 07:45 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 14:48 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-30 13:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 15:05 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 13:00 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:36 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 13:18 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 07:09 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 20:51 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 09:29 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 22:07 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 12:07 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-31 11:17 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 11:40 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 16:12 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! billy@MIX.COM - 2013-10-31 16:42 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders =?UTF-8?Q?=21=C2=A1=21?= Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-31 16:41 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡!? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-31 11:55 -0500
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-11-02 13:22 +1100
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 05:41 +0100
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-02 14:23 +0100
                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 13:48 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-02 16:25 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-02 10:58 -0500
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 16:25 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 16:58 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 20:49 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 22:49 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-02 17:08 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-02 13:21 -0500
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-02 19:31 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 16:27 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:47 -0400
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 22:54 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-02 23:01 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 23:16 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:27 -0400
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:36 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 23:43 -0400
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 21:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 07:33 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 18:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 20:48 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 14:54 -0400
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 21:19 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-04 12:20 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:25 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 04:39 -0400
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:49 -0700
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 19:13 -0700
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 03:43 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 00:53 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:14 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-08 16:28 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-09 04:13 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-10 08:28 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-11 09:02 +0100
                                                Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-11 00:52 -0800
                                                Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-11 00:56 -0800
                                                  Re: Re: Newsreaders !�! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-12 09:00 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:54 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-13 09:21 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !�! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-12 14:04 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:29 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-13 06:44 +0000
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:52 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-12 14:27 -0800
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-12 17:04 -0600
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 05:48 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-13 06:45 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:15 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:00 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-14 12:08 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 07:38 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:32 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 12:41 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:02 +0000
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-11-17 20:00 -0500
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-17 17:14 -0800
                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-11 22:37 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 13:50 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 03:59 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 19:31 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:37 +1300
                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-12 21:47 -0600
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-13 16:58 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:37 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-14 09:24 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-14 17:23 -0600
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 13:18 +1300
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 06:44 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:34 -0600
                                                            Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only Martin Trautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 05:08 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-16 11:07 -0600
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 08:26 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 19:40 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 00:15 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 13:36 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 12:48 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-14 02:59 +1300
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 21:11 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-14 11:49 +1300
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-14 02:03 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-14 17:30 -0600
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 05:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-15 18:23 +1300
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:36 -0600
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:54 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 18:03 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-15 18:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 18:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-15 21:18 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-16 04:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 13:47 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:45 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:19 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:48 +0000
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 07:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-16 17:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-15 12:21 -0800
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-15 14:32 -0600
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-15 14:30 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-15 13:26 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 22:09 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 01:48 +0100
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 03:57 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 07:59 +0100
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 01:54 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 20:04 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:51 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:21 +1300
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:17 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 14:00 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 02:09 +0100
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 20:08 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 12:09 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2013-11-16 13:33 -0600
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 01:47 +0100
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 07:59 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:36 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 18:23 +0100
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:42 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 01:49 +0100
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-18 06:52 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:51 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-16 07:58 +1300
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:50 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 11:10 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:50 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:50 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 02:14 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 17:48 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 06:40 +0100
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 05:37 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-17 15:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 16:51 +0100
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 06:16 +1300
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 06:09 +1300
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 20:23 +0100
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-18 09:27 +1300
                                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¬°! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 15:44 +1300
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 18:02 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 06:45 +0100
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:27 -0400
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 23:43 -0400
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 18:54 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:51 +0000
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 16:59 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 20:53 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-11-02 14:02 -0700
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-02 21:11 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 21:32 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-03 00:50 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 01:55 +0100
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:07 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:23 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:07 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 18:31 -0700
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:10 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 19:50 -0700
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 16:12 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:42 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:28 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:13 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 01:48 +0100
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:43 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:30 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 18:54 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-03 12:48 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 16:37 -0800
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:05 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:39 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-04 02:01 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:05 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:33 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 10:52 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-31 10:12 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 21:15 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:01 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-08 00:49 +0200
      Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-07 18:42 -0600
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:05 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:12 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 15:21 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 18:09 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:48 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 20:51 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-02-28 12:19 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 01:40 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:50 -0600
        Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:26 +0200
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 17:31 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 23:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:44 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 02:01 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 10:00 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:27 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 09:51 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 18:55 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 23:28 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:40 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 04:34 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:04 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 03:33 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-08 06:28 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 14:28 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:57 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 12:54 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-08 19:02 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-08 19:29 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-09 12:50 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-09 13:21 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 23:06 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 02:35 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 18:49 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 23:11 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 22:31 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-09 23:46 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:33 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 17:46 -0700
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 00:49 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 20:45 -0500
                      Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 20:45 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 19:09 -0700
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 22:03 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 14:04 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 16:48 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-10 15:10 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 16:44 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-10 13:43 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-11 00:29 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-10 20:01 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders MartinC <noreply@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-13 20:05 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-14 12:20 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-13 18:40 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 23:45 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-14 17:16 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-14 12:11 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:50 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 16:19 +0200
      Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:53 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-09 10:22 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 10:27 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 15:24 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 23:47 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:21 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-09 11:22 -0600
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-09 22:23 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:08 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:37 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 09:59 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 06:40 +1100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:01 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 19:40 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-10 23:23 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:40 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 22:45 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 22:07 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-10 23:38 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 16:58 +1100
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 23:06 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 17:02 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 16:28 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 23:30 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-12 17:20 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 17:25 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:25 -0600
                        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:25 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 17:20 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:30 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 04:44 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 23:38 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-13 15:15 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-13 13:52 -0600
                            Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:44 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:33 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-16 08:23 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 12:58 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-16 15:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-11 23:40 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:32 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 05:02 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:44 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 19:46 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 12:40 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 20:29 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 11:30 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:08 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 13:32 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 21:00 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:35 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 13:19 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:31 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-12 12:20 -0700
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-14 12:16 -0800
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-13 15:25 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:46 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-14 00:52 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-14 11:57 -0600
                                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-15 01:41 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-15 11:36 -0600
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-15 20:23 +0100
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 11:05 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-19 19:31 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-15 13:33 -0600
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 11:51 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-16 12:28 -0600
                                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-17 11:33 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-17 17:42 -0600
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-15 20:54 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 12:01 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-17 02:59 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-17 11:38 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-19 19:26 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-14 12:14 -0800
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-14 17:04 -0500
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-11 16:55 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:19 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-12 12:19 -0700
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:29 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:26 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-13 22:33 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 19:51 -0500
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:23 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:49 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:41 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:37 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:38 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:24 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:11 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:27 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-11 16:53 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:11 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 20:04 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:05 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 11:32 +0100
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 11:17 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 12:18 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 12:41 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 19:42 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 21:55 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:58 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:47 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-12 02:05 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 18:31 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 11:39 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 19:02 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 11:31 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-13 19:11 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-14 00:50 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-14 11:32 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-14 17:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 19:10 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-25 09:50 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-25 21:08 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Michael Breslau <mbreslau@speakeasy.org> - 2014-02-26 08:03 -0800
                Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-26 20:12 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 17:41 -0700

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#56501 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-13 12:26 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-A28121.12263113022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56444
In article <ldgi3g$h3$1@tota-refugium.de>,
 Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 12.02.2014 19:19, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> >>> To again hammer home what makes a newsreader "good", it starts with the
> >>> > >ability to easily kill things I don't want to see.
> >> >
> >> >Your scope of what makes a newsreader good is pretty narrow.
> > But, really, what other roles does a newsreader need to fill?
> 
> The very first  is to comply with the current RFC, which have not been 
> written to be ignored!

If they don't result in a widely accepted reference implementation, they 
absolutely *are* written to be ignored.  Point me to the NNTP library 
developers are supposed to be using.  The evidence never seems to be in 
your favor . . .

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#56506 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com>
Date2014-02-13 22:33 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<ldjdn6$qb3$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#56501
On 13.02.2014 19:26, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> If they don't result in a widely accepted reference implementation...

They do.
MT-NW and its core-clone Thoth are the only NNTP cleints that don't comply.


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#56472 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-12 19:51 -0500
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<1I2dnbAUvb2-imHPnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#56437
On 2014.02.12, 13:19 , Doc O'Leary wrote:
> In article <pNidnWWaad-oAWfPnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Your sweetspot is not everyone's sweetspot.
>
> Nor do I assume it is.  That's why I'm pointing out that nobody should
> be surprised if people jump through hoops to run some software that
> cannot be easily replaced by "modern" alternatives.

The alternatives are fine.  They just don't approach the problems in the 
same way as the old ones.  Learn to use them.  (A one hour fool around 
is not doing it).

>>> To again hammer home what makes a newsreader "good", it starts with the
>>> ability to easily kill things I don't want to see.
>>
>> Your scope of what makes a newsreader good is pretty narrow.
>
> But, really, what other roles does a newsreader need to fill?  It's a
> public system for passing around messages organized by topic groups.
> That part is covered by the RFCs and was "solved" long ago.  There is
> really no reason to have multiple different clients *except* to cater to
> the narrow gaps that aren't covered by the standards.  Managing large
> volumes of messages (aka, filtering) is *absolutely* something that

Thunderbird filters.  I have many (spam, assholes, topics) and so on and 
the single filter def works across NG's.  You might not like the form of 
it but TB indeed filters quite well.

Other than that it presents posts. Clearly.

No issue.

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#56500 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-13 12:23 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-4965FE.12235413022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56472
In article <1I2dnbAUvb2-imHPnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> The alternatives are fine.  They just don't approach the problems in the 
> same way as the old ones.  Learn to use them.  (A one hour fool around 
> is not doing it).

I am an intelligent adult who is quite adept at figuring things out 
quickly and adapting to new technologies.  I absolutely *can* determine 
that Thunderbird is junk after just one hour of use.  The only question 
left is whether or not they, or any of the other alternatives, care.  
Given how little I see newsreader developers *on* Usenet, it seems clear 
that they do not.  Nothing about this situation is "fine".

> No issue.

Great for you, I guess.  History is full of terrible people who approach 
things with a "works for me, and that's all that matters" mentality.  
It's clear you won't be expanding your world view, so I'm done with you.

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#56395 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-02-11 13:49 +0000
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<slrnlfkajg.3r7.g.kreme@oswin.local>
In reply to#56360
In message <ldb9h3$b6q$1@dont-email.me> 
  Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> On 10Feb2014, 12:08 PM, Laszlo Lebrun wrote:
> You have many readers that you can use, to my knowledge only two MT-NW
>> and it's clone Thoth plus the horrible Google, will mess Unicode, so go
>> for what fits your needs as long as it issues clean messages.

> Only *your* message was dirty.  Someone using MT-NW would not have 
> composed such rubbish.

You're missing the point, MTNW (and the Thoth copy) fuck up Unicode when they
QUOTE the message. No one else does that.

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#56404 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-11 11:41 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-1C642D.11413311022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56395
In article <slrnlfkajg.3r7.g.kreme@oswin.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <ldb9h3$b6q$1@dont-email.me> 
>   Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> > On 10Feb2014, 12:08 PM, Laszlo Lebrun wrote:
> > You have many readers that you can use, to my knowledge only two MT-NW
> >> and it's clone Thoth plus the horrible Google, will mess Unicode, so go
> >> for what fits your needs as long as it issues clean messages.
> 
> > Only *your* message was dirty.  Someone using MT-NW would not have 
> > composed such rubbish.
> 
> You're missing the point, MTNW (and the Thoth copy) fuck up Unicode when they
> QUOTE the message. No one else does that.

You're missing the point: people who use newsreaders that don't display 
Unicode properly *rarely* fuck up a Unicode-dependent discussion.  Abuse 
of Unicode, such as Laszlo's, is not a valid way to make a point.

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#56407 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com>
Date2014-02-11 19:37 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<lddql5$4sc$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#56404
On 11.02.2014 18:41, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> You're missing the point: people who use newsreaders that don't display
> Unicode properly*rarely*  fuck up a Unicode-dependent discussion.

You haven't got a clue.
95% of the threads polluted with jeopardized characters have been issued 
by MT-NW, Thoth or G2 at the origin. The remeaning 5% are old readers 
with wrong charcode declaration...

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#56439 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-12 12:38 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-1E6CAF.12382112022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56407
In article <lddql5$4sc$1@tota-refugium.de>,
 Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 11.02.2014 18:41, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> > You're missing the point: people who use newsreaders that don't display
> > Unicode properly*rarely*  fuck up a Unicode-dependent discussion.
> 
> You haven't got a clue.
> 95% of the threads polluted with jeopardized characters have been issued 
> by MT-NW, Thoth or G2 at the origin. The remeaning 5% are old readers 
> with wrong charcode declaration...

Number of threads (not polluted by you) provided as evidence of this: 0
Number of times I've killed googlegroups posts since 23Feb2006: 1576573

Your rants do not match reality.  Stop acting like a loony if you want 
to be taken seriously.

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#56443 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com>
Date2014-02-12 20:24 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<ldghqb$v6f$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#56439
On 12.02.2014 19:38, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> Your rants do not match reality.

It does, but not YOUR vision of reality.


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#56496 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-13 12:11 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-5DD902.12113713022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56443
In article <ldghqb$v6f$1@tota-refugium.de>,
 Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 12.02.2014 19:38, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> > Your rants do not match reality.
> 
> It does, but not YOUR vision of reality.

I can provide ample evidence that shows a need for robust filtering.
You cannot provide any evidence that shows a real need for Unicode.

One of us definitely has visions that do not match reality.

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#56402 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-11 11:27 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-6F3D72.11275711022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56360
In article <ldb9h3$b6q$1@dont-email.me>,
 Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:

Also funny: I have a killfile entry for @dont-email.me message IDs, 
which apparently is what Thunderbird stuck by default on my posts.  
MT-NW makes it easy enough to see my two self-killed posts here, but 
it's just another point of warning about being aware of the company you 
keep.

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#56417 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-11 16:53 -0500
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<pNidnWiaad9xBmfPnZ2dnUVZ_h4AAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#56360
On 2014.02.10, 14:32 , Doc O'Leary wrote:

> Anyway, having given the current Thunderbird a spin for a couple hours,
> I can easily see it won't work for me in the long term.  There are some
> things I like about it, but it has some killer flaws.
>
> The setup is poor, for starters.  It is clearly written as an
> email-centric app (although not as badly as MacSOUP's POP prompting). It
> immediately wanted to access my contacts, which is always a concern when
> it comes privacy/spammers.

A lot of apps do this these days - and like those you don't need to give 
it access.

> And the way it ties server access to an
> identity is clunky (MT-NW gets it much better by making them two
> different first-class objects).

In Thunderbird you can have as many servers set up as you like with 
whatever accounts you like.  Clunky? Perhaps, but once set up, who cares?

> In configuring the news server, there was no obvious way to enter in my
> authentication information.  I had to click around a few different
> places before it finally prompted me, when fetching the full group list,
> to enter that info.  I subscribed to all the comp.sys.mac.* groups and
> was off to the races.

Not a killer flaw.  Annoying maybe, but once you learn the tricks ...


>
> I like that it does pre-fetching of headers, but it was such slow going
> that it didn't seem like it was using XOVER.  Worse, when it had
> finished the .apps group, attempts to read messages was brought to a
> stop because it was busy fetching the headers of other groups; dumb.

I've seen this too in recent times with T-bird.  It certainly was not 
like this before (about 2 years ago).  Recent versions are slow to fetch 
headers.  Hopefully it will get sorted out...

> It's also a bit of a pig, taking up 50x the RAM of MT-NW.
>
> But what really ruins it is the filters not being first-class objects
> (horrible filtering is what sinks Unison, too).  The worst problem is
> that they are created *only* for a specific group, and I see no way to
> change that; people who get killfiled as idiots are idiots *everywhere*,
> not just the one group I'm reading.  No regex support for filters.  No
> autofill of non-From headers.  Poor support of normal headers like
> Message-ID.  Honestly, there is just no way I'm going to approach a
> public forum like Usenet without a robust way of taking out the trash.

If you set the filters from the 'server' level it will apply to all NG's 
under that server level.

eg:
news.eternal-september.org   <- setup filters from here (left click)
    rec.photo                 --not here
    comp.sys.mac.system       --not here

The minor fly in that ointment is that if you add a filter, it won't 
retro-filter all the articles in each NG.  You have to (from the filter 
page) indicate which NG's need to apply the filter.

> So it's back to MT-NW hackery for me.  I do like the *idea* of a unified
> messaging app that Thunderbird aspires to (that's kinda the approach I
> would take if I ever had the time/funding to write my own
> newsreader-cum-CDN), but the execution is just done too poorly.

It's sort of like iTunes.  It started to do one thing and then had so 
many other things added over time that some things did not evolve nicely 
and some things devolved.

Still, for me, the best choice - perhaps because I've been using it for 
so long.

I have, but don't like, Unison very much.

> So cry all you want about MT-NW not getting the "modern" features right
> like UTF-8 (or networking, which is ultimately what killed it on
> Mavericks).  At least it does a better job at getting the *newsreading*
> features right, and that's job #1.

I think you're over discounting T-bird.  It does the essential right: 
puts up the news articles to read.  It filters.  The style is definitely 
not "Mac like", but it does the job.

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#56436 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-12 12:11 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-ABB618.12114012022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56417
In article <pNidnWiaad9xBmfPnZ2dnUVZ_h4AAAAA@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.02.10, 14:32 , Doc O'Leary wrote:
> 
> > Anyway, having given the current Thunderbird a spin for a couple hours,
> > I can easily see it won't work for me in the long term.  There are some
> > things I like about it, but it has some killer flaws.
> >
> > The setup is poor, for starters.  It is clearly written as an
> > email-centric app (although not as badly as MacSOUP's POP prompting). It
> > immediately wanted to access my contacts, which is always a concern when
> > it comes privacy/spammers.
> 
> A lot of apps do this these days - and like those you don't need to give 
> it access.

The problem is not *that* it wants access, but the mentality of making 
that the surprise starting point of the app.  There is *no* reason 
anyone needs to identify themselves at all to simply *read* Usenet posts.

> > And the way it ties server access to an
> > identity is clunky (MT-NW gets it much better by making them two
> > different first-class objects).
> 
> In Thunderbird you can have as many servers set up as you like with 
> whatever accounts you like.  Clunky? Perhaps, but once set up, who cares?

You're missing the dumb mentality of tying the two together *at all*.  
It should not be more of a hassle to simply be myself on every server I 
use.  And I do generally not dwell on setup issues, *except* for the 
fact that the thinking behind them often is a very good indicator of the 
quality of the rest of the app.  That's why MacSOUP is a non-starter for 
me, because its default assumption that I'm using it for POP email is 
not a good sign.

> > In configuring the news server, there was no obvious way to enter in my
> > authentication information.  I had to click around a few different
> > places before it finally prompted me, when fetching the full group list,
> > to enter that info.  I subscribed to all the comp.sys.mac.* groups and
> > was off to the races.
> 
> Not a killer flaw.  Annoying maybe, but once you learn the tricks ...

Apps should not be trying to trick their users.  Yes, setup code has low 
value because it is usually run infrequently, but Usenet does not 
benefit by putting up barriers to entry for a newcomer.

> If you set the filters from the 'server' level it will apply to all NG's 
> under that server level.

Again, it's about the mentality behind their choices of defaults.  I 
mean, do any of the developers of newsreaders even still *use* Usenet?  
It doesn't seem like it, based on how out of whack their decisions are 
compared to reality.

> It's sort of like iTunes.  It started to do one thing and then had so 
> many other things added over time that some things did not evolve nicely 
> and some things devolved.

The professional thing to do is fix it.  Re-define the vision of what it 
is *supposed* to do, refactor the code to do it, and make everyone look 
like big goddamn heroes.  But, like much open source software, they 
don't seem to have anyone experienced enough to look beyond the code 
repository.

> Still, for me, the best choice - perhaps because I've been using it for 
> so long.

It certainly wasn't the worst newsreader I've tried, and it may even be 
the best choice for Mac users now.  But that's all more a reflection of 
the sorry state of newsreaders these days.

> I have, but don't like, Unison very much.

Panic suckered me out of my cash with version 1, too.  It quickly became 
obvious that the filtering wasn't going to improve so I had to ditch it.

> I think you're over discounting T-bird.  It does the essential right: 
> puts up the news articles to read.  It filters.  The style is definitely 
> not "Mac like", but it does the job.

Not well enough to replace MT-NW.  Again, the filtering issues are the 
show stoppers for me.  There is just no way I'm going to use something 
that makes it such a hassle for me to kill by Message-ID.  I'll go back 
to using slrn on the command line before I use Thunderbird's poorly 
thought out approach.

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#56473 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-12 20:04 -0500
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<46-dneXzSuCUh2HPnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#56436
On 2014.02.12, 13:11 , Doc O'Leary wrote:
> In article <pNidnWiaad9xBmfPnZ2dnUVZ_h4AAAAA@giganews.com>,
>   Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.02.10, 14:32 , Doc O'Leary wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway, having given the current Thunderbird a spin for a couple hours,
>>> I can easily see it won't work for me in the long term.  There are some
>>> things I like about it, but it has some killer flaws.
>>>
>>> The setup is poor, for starters.  It is clearly written as an
>>> email-centric app (although not as badly as MacSOUP's POP prompting). It
>>> immediately wanted to access my contacts, which is always a concern when
>>> it comes privacy/spammers.
>>
>> A lot of apps do this these days - and like those you don't need to give
>> it access.
>
> The problem is not *that* it wants access, but the mentality of making
> that the surprise starting point of the app.  There is *no* reason
> anyone needs to identify themselves at all to simply *read* Usenet posts.

Your choice is to get over that or use some unsupported alternative that 
makes you jump through other hoops.  Or write your own.

>
>>> And the way it ties server access to an
>>> identity is clunky (MT-NW gets it much better by making them two
>>> different first-class objects).
>>
>> In Thunderbird you can have as many servers set up as you like with
>> whatever accounts you like.  Clunky? Perhaps, but once set up, who cares?
>
> You're missing the dumb mentality of tying the two together *at all*.
> It should not be more of a hassle to simply be myself on every server I
> use.  And I do generally not dwell on setup issues, *except* for the
> fact that the thinking behind them often is a very good indicator of the
> quality of the rest of the app.  That's why MacSOUP is a non-starter for
> me, because its default assumption that I'm using it for POP email is
> not a good sign.

Forget the *dumb mentality* of Thunderbird.  It's been around for a long 
time and evolved as it did because of its beginnings.  If that's enough 
to make you look elsewhere then have a nice journey.

>
>>> In configuring the news server, there was no obvious way to enter in my
>>> authentication information.  I had to click around a few different
>>> places before it finally prompted me, when fetching the full group list,
>>> to enter that info.  I subscribed to all the comp.sys.mac.* groups and
>>> was off to the races.
>>
>> Not a killer flaw.  Annoying maybe, but once you learn the tricks ...
>
> Apps should not be trying to trick their users.  Yes, setup code has low
> value because it is usually run infrequently, but Usenet does not
> benefit by putting up barriers to entry for a newcomer.

See prior comment.

>
>> If you set the filters from the 'server' level it will apply to all NG's
>> under that server level.
>
> Again, it's about the mentality behind their choices of defaults.  I
> mean, do any of the developers of newsreaders even still *use* Usenet?
> It doesn't seem like it, based on how out of whack their decisions are
> compared to reality.

See prior comment.

>
>> It's sort of like iTunes.  It started to do one thing and then had so
>> many other things added over time that some things did not evolve nicely
>> and some things devolved.
>
> The professional thing to do is fix it.  Re-define the vision of what it
> is *supposed* to do, refactor the code to do it, and make everyone look
> like big goddamn heroes.  But, like much open source software, they
> don't seem to have anyone experienced enough to look beyond the code
> repository.

1. Thunderbird is pretty much a non-profit, volunteer outfit (as you 
recognize) so it would take a massive leadership effort to define in 
some new way.  Be the leader, or
2. See prior comment.

>
>> Still, for me, the best choice - perhaps because I've been using it for
>> so long.
>
> It certainly wasn't the worst newsreader I've tried, and it may even be
> the best choice for Mac users now.  But that's all more a reflection of
> the sorry state of newsreaders these days.

Given what passes for usenet posts these days, what, really, do you expect?

>
>> I have, but don't like, Unison very much.
>
> Panic suckered me out of my cash with version 1, too.  It quickly became
> obvious that the filtering wasn't going to improve so I had to ditch it.

I have v2.  I don't have many filters setup because I don't use it much 
- but adding an offensive poster to the filter list seems the least 
trouble of all.  Haven't done it by message ID that I recall.

>
>> I think you're over discounting T-bird.  It does the essential right:
>> puts up the news articles to read.  It filters.  The style is definitely
>> not "Mac like", but it does the job.
>
> Not well enough to replace MT-NW.  Again, the filtering issues are the
> show stoppers for me.  There is just no way I'm going to use something
> that makes it such a hassle for me to kill by Message-ID.  I'll go back

Right click and "ignore thread" doesn't do it for you, huh?

> to using slrn on the command line before I use Thunderbird's poorly
> thought out approach.

Then roll back to 10.8 and have a nice life.  AFAICT MT-NW is dead in 
10.9 and on.

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#56495 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-13 12:05 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-38E3AC.12054213022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56473
In article <46-dneXzSuCUh2HPnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Your choice is to get over that or use some unsupported alternative that 
> makes you jump through other hoops.  Or write your own.

I know; that's the point *I'm* making.

> Forget the *dumb mentality* of Thunderbird.  It's been around for a long 
> time and evolved as it did because of its beginnings.  If that's enough 
> to make you look elsewhere then have a nice journey.

I will, thanks.

> 1. Thunderbird is pretty much a non-profit, volunteer outfit (as you 
> recognize) so it would take a massive leadership effort to define in 
> some new way.  Be the leader, or
> 2. See prior comment.

I'm not one to rule by force.  If they *want* my leadership, I'm right 
here for the asking.  Otherwise, to quote the Animaniacs, it's a great 
big Universe.

> > It certainly wasn't the worst newsreader I've tried, and it may even be
> > the best choice for Mac users now.  But that's all more a reflection of
> > the sorry state of newsreaders these days.
> 
> Given what passes for usenet posts these days, what, really, do you expect?

Users are not to blame for a developer's lack of professionalism.  The 
irony is that Usenet was dropped under the crushing weight of binaries, 
and yet now ISPs will otherwise go out of their way to support caching 
proxies and content delivery networks for the web and other services.

What I *expected* when I went looking to write my own newsreader is *at 
least* some standard "libnttp.so" that took care of RFC's fiddly bits.  
What I found is that most developers reinvent the wheel *every* time 
they write a client, and their lack of professionalism makes the fact 
that the code is open sourced next to worthless, because they aren't 
writing the code *for* reuse.

> > Not well enough to replace MT-NW.  Again, the filtering issues are the
> > show stoppers for me.  There is just no way I'm going to use something
> > that makes it such a hassle for me to kill by Message-ID.  I'll go back
> 
> Right click and "ignore thread" doesn't do it for you, huh?

No.  When I kill by Message-ID, it means that a number of posters coming 
from the same source (usually a particular server) have proven 
themselves to be part of a "bad neighborhood".  The *partial* Message-ID 
that matches @googlegroups.com (or whatever) is what I want to filter.  
Go ahead and give that a try in Thunderbird.

> > to using slrn on the command line before I use Thunderbird's poorly
> > thought out approach.
> 
> Then roll back to 10.8 and have a nice life.  AFAICT MT-NW is dead in 
> 10.9 and on.

It is.  As I have stated, I VNC into an older Mac to use MT-NW, and 
others have given their own hacks.  It's just a sad state of affairs all 
around when there is no good modern Usenet client, and apologists try to 
spin what we have as good enough.  It reminds me of when all we really 
had for web browsing was shitty ol' IE.

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#56583 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-02-16 11:32 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<4ng6ta-c682.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#56436
On 2014-02-12, Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> In article <pNidnWiaad9xBmfPnZ2dnUVZ_h4AAAAA@giganews.com>,
>  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> > In configuring the news server, there was no obvious way to enter in my
>> > authentication information.  I had to click around a few different
>> > places before it finally prompted me, when fetching the full group list,
>> > to enter that info.  I subscribed to all the comp.sys.mac.* groups and
>> > was off to the races.
>>
>> Not a killer flaw.  Annoying maybe, but once you learn the tricks ...

It is dumb.  I found this with an email app a couple of years ago.  I wanted
to set up about a dozen accounts all at once, but there was nowhere in
the account setup to enter authentication details.  What it did instead was
to prompt for these when you first connected.  It got worse with outgoing
authentication, because you had to compose an outgoing message for each
and every account before it would prompt for authentication details.

Too much hassle.

> Apps should not be trying to trick their users.  Yes, setup code has low
> value because it is usually run infrequently, but Usenet does not
> benefit by putting up barriers to entry for a newcomer.
>
>> If you set the filters from the 'server' level it will apply to all NG's
>> under that server level.
>
> Again, it's about the mentality behind their choices of defaults.  I
> mean, do any of the developers of newsreaders even still *use* Usenet?
> It doesn't seem like it, based on how out of whack their decisions are
> compared to reality.

My conclusion was that the newsreader functionality of Thunderbird had been
forgotten and left to rot while they modernised the mail side.

I managed to dig out their test reports for the newsreader side of things
and it was pretty plain that they were running a very limited number of
predefined tests rather than trying it out in real life.

--
Paul Sture

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#56582 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-02-16 11:17 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<rqf6ta-7572.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#56360
On 2014-02-10, Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
>
> Anyway, having given the current Thunderbird a spin for a couple hours,
> I can easily see it won't work for me in the long term.  There are some
> things I like about it, but it has some killer flaws.
>
> I like that it does pre-fetching of headers, but it was such slow going
> that it didn't seem like it was using XOVER.  Worse, when it had
> finished the .apps group, attempts to read messages was brought to a
> stop because it was busy fetching the headers of other groups; dumb.
> It's also a bit of a pig, taking up 50x the RAM of MT-NW.

Why do you like its pre-fetching of headers if it's so slow?

My last encounter with Thunderbird was several years ago when I was
trying to set it up for offline reading.  Thunderbird's idea then
was that I downloaded headers, then marked which ones I wanted to
read in full, then did another download.  This was fine back in the
days of slow modems (except that Thunderbird didn't offer any way that
I could find of saying "download the lot", and marking each article
to download the body on the next pass was extremely time consuming),
but nonsensical when you have short chunks of fast access via wifi
available (in a cafe for example).

--
Paul Sture

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#56605 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-16 12:18 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-E0D2FF.12185216022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56582
In article <rqf6ta-7572.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> Why do you like its pre-fetching of headers if it's so slow?

Well, I'd certainly like it less if it were slow *and* didn't pre-fetch 
them either.

> My last encounter with Thunderbird was several years ago when I was
> trying to set it up for offline reading.  Thunderbird's idea then
> was that I downloaded headers, then marked which ones I wanted to
> read in full, then did another download.  This was fine back in the
> days of slow modems (except that Thunderbird didn't offer any way that
> I could find of saying "download the lot", and marking each article
> to download the body on the next pass was extremely time consuming),
> but nonsensical when you have short chunks of fast access via wifi
> available (in a cafe for example).

When I last looked at Leafnode (http://leafnode.sourceforge.net) for 
that sort of thing I noticed the same shortcoming (i.e., assuming that 
"offline" was major mode).  To my way of thinking, the connection to the 
server isn't something the user should have to concern themselves with 
all that much.  A client (or proxy) should do whatever it can to make 
everything seem "local".  I agree that too much software, especially 
newsreaders, are built for outdated modes of interaction.

-- 
iPhone apps that matter:    http://appstore.subsume.com/
My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, theremailer.net,
    and probably your server, too.

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#56358

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-10 12:41 -0600
Message-ID<ldb6g0$m2k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#56303
On 09Feb2014, 3:23 PM, Laszlo Lebrun wrote:

> Works well?
> įղժҽҽժ MT-WN ìʂ էհąէ çɾąքքվ էհąէ ìէ çąղ'է ҽѵҽղ ժҽąӀ աìէհ Աղìçօժҽ. mìղժ:
> ìղ էհҽ 21ʂէ çҽղէմɾվ!

Honestly, given that I can now "read" what you wrote, all I'd likely do 
is killfile a person that would constantly write that way.  You'd have 
made a better case for yourself if you had legitimately tried to 
communicate in a language that needed Unicode.

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#56365

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2014-02-10 19:42 +0000
Message-ID<blsod1Ft9grU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#56358
On 2014-02-10, Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> On 09Feb2014, 3:23 PM, Laszlo Lebrun wrote:
>
>> Works well?
>> įղժҽҽժ MT-WN ìʂ էհąէ çɾąքքվ էհąէ ìէ çąղ'է ҽѵҽղ ժҽąӀ աìէհ Աղìçօժҽ. mìղժ:
>> ìղ էհҽ 21ʂէ çҽղէմɾվ!
>
> Honestly, given that I can now "read" what you wrote, all I'd likely do 
> is killfile a person that would constantly write that way.  You'd have 
> made a better case for yourself if you had legitimately tried to 
> communicate in a language that needed Unicode.

No shit.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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