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Newsreaders

Started byMichelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org>
First post2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
Last post2014-02-09 17:41 -0700
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  Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 11:56 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-16 15:20 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 13:01 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 12:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 14:41 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 19:58 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 15:05 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:42 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:23 +1100
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 10:09 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:57 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 13:20 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 14:04 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:10 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 14:35 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:39 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 15:30 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:35 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-27 22:10 -0400
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:59 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 20:37 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:16 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:38 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:49 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 18:59 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 00:28 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 22:03 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 00:49 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 19:01 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 02:59 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 00:50 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 04:16 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 22:03 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 12:36 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:34 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-28 00:49 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 19:04 +1300
            Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:18 -0700
            Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-27 20:34 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:48 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 21:50 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 16:57 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 16:04 -0700
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 23:24 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 12:41 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-28 15:51 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:28 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:55 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 17:01 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:21 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 19:24 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-27 23:42 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 20:09 -0400
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 00:16 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:11 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 13:54 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 09:53 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:27 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 04:50 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 22:01 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:04 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2013-10-30 12:11 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:27 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:56 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-11-17 19:28 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-29 09:56 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:39 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:43 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-27 20:30 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 11:02 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:07 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-27 21:29 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 00:48 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 16:01 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:21 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:31 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 08:57 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:25 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:22 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 13:29 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 01:43 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:04 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 18:25 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 01:33 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:37 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 19:25 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 07:25 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 04:07 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:00 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:24 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:26 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:35 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 16:28 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 13:33 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 21:43 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:39 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:31 +1300
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:36 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:42 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:29 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 16:44 -0400
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:15 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 21:37 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 14:17 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 22:20 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 23:01 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 16:27 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-28 21:25 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-28 22:41 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-29 00:36 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-29 10:10 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:25 +1300
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 05:00 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 22:01 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 13:14 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-30 13:42 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 14:49 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
                Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-30 22:32 +0100
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 07:00 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 13:56 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 14:24 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 19:19 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:30 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 17:37 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 23:00 +0100
                              Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-31 18:36 -0400
                              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-01 01:32 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-01 10:39 -0500
                                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-02 10:00 +1300
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-01 16:43 -0500
                              Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 11:02 -0400
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 16:23 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-31 10:41 -0500
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 17:09 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 11:02 -0700
                              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:34 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 15:13 -0700
                              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 10:52 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-31 15:14 -0700
                                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 14:08 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-01 01:33 +0000
                                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 19:26 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:32 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-10-31 19:06 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 07:45 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 14:48 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-30 13:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-30 15:05 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 13:00 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:36 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 13:18 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 07:09 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 20:51 +1300
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 09:29 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 22:07 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-10-31 12:07 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-31 11:17 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 11:40 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 16:12 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! billy@MIX.COM - 2013-10-31 16:42 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders =?UTF-8?Q?=21=C2=A1=21?= Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-31 16:41 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡!? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-31 11:55 -0500
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Barry OGrady <atheist@hotmail.com.au> - 2013-11-02 13:22 +1100
                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 05:41 +0100
                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-02 14:23 +0100
                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 13:48 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-02 16:25 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-02 10:58 -0500
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 16:25 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 16:58 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 20:49 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 22:49 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-02 17:08 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-02 13:21 -0500
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-02 19:31 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 16:27 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:47 -0400
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 22:54 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-11-02 23:01 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-02 23:16 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:27 -0400
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:36 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 23:43 -0400
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 21:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 07:33 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:44 -0700
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 18:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 13:28 -0400
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 20:48 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 14:54 -0400
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 21:19 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-04 12:20 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:25 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-03 04:39 -0400
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 08:49 -0700
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:02 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-03 19:13 -0700
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 03:43 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 00:53 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:14 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-08 16:28 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-09 04:13 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-10 08:28 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-11 09:02 +0100
                                                Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-11 00:52 -0800
                                                Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-11 00:56 -0800
                                                  Re: Re: Newsreaders !�! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-12 09:00 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:54 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-13 09:21 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !�! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-12 14:04 +0000
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:29 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-13 06:44 +0000
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !�! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 20:52 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !�! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-12 14:27 -0800
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !�! Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-12 17:04 -0600
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 05:48 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-13 06:45 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:15 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:00 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-14 12:08 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 07:38 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:32 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 12:41 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:02 +0000
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-11-17 20:00 -0500
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-17 17:14 -0800
                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-11 22:37 +1300
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 13:50 +0100
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 03:59 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-12 19:31 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:37 +1300
                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-12 21:47 -0600
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-13 16:58 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 10:37 +0100
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-14 09:24 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-14 17:23 -0600
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-15 13:18 +1300
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 06:44 +0000
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:34 -0600
                                                            Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only Martin Trautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 05:08 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders - not for €, Tim’s only Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-16 11:07 -0600
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 08:26 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 19:40 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 00:15 +0100
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 13:36 +1300
                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-13 22:52 +1300
                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 12:48 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-14 02:59 +1300
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 21:11 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-14 11:49 +1300
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-14 02:03 +0100
                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-14 17:30 -0600
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 05:04 +0000
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-15 18:23 +1300
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:36 -0600
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:39 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:54 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 18:03 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-15 18:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-15 18:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-15 21:18 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-16 04:20 +0000
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 13:47 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:45 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:19 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:48 +0000
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 07:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-16 17:51 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-15 12:21 -0800
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-15 14:32 -0600
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-15 14:30 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-11-15 13:26 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 22:09 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 00:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 01:48 +0100
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 03:57 +0000
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 07:59 +0100
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-16 01:54 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 20:04 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:51 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-16 10:21 +1300
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-16 04:17 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-16 14:00 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 02:09 +0100
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !?! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 20:08 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !?! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 12:09 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !?! David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2013-11-16 13:33 -0600
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !?! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 01:47 +0100
                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 07:59 +0100
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-15 11:36 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-15 18:23 +0100
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:42 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 01:49 +0100
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-18 06:52 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:51 +0000
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-16 07:58 +1300
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-16 19:50 +0000
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 11:10 +1300
                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-15 17:50 +0000
                                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-11-15 22:50 -0600
                                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 02:14 +0100
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-17 17:48 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 06:40 +0100
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 05:37 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-17 15:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 16:51 +0100
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 06:16 +1300
                                                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 06:09 +1300
                                                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 20:23 +0100
                                                                          Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-18 09:27 +1300
                                                                            Re: Newsreaders !¬°! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-18 15:44 +1300
                                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-11-17 18:02 +1300
                                                                    Re: Newsreaders !¬°! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-17 06:45 +0100
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 19:27 -0400
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 23:43 -0400
                                                  Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 18:54 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-03 08:51 +0000
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 16:59 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-02 20:53 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders !?! Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-11-02 14:02 -0700
                                      Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-02 21:11 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-02 21:32 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 11:58 +1300
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-03 00:50 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 01:55 +0100
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:07 +0000
                                                Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:23 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:07 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 18:31 -0700
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:10 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-11-02 19:50 -0700
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 16:12 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:42 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:28 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:13 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-03 01:48 +0100
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 15:55 +1300
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-11-03 03:43 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:30 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-03 18:54 +1300
                                              Re: Newsreaders !¡! Matt <hfrarg@thelostplatypus.org.invalid> - 2013-11-03 12:48 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-11-03 16:37 -0800
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:05 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:39 +0000
                                            Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-04 02:01 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders !¡! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 01:05 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders !¡! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-11-04 01:33 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-11-01 10:52 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-31 10:12 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@laszlomail.com> - 2013-11-13 21:15 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-11-14 10:01 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-08 00:49 +0200
      Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-07 18:42 -0600
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:05 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:12 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 15:21 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 18:09 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:48 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 20:51 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-02-28 12:19 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 01:40 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:50 -0600
        Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:26 +0200
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 17:31 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 23:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:44 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 02:01 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 10:00 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:27 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 09:51 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 18:55 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 23:28 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:40 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 04:34 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:04 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 03:33 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-08 06:28 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 14:28 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:57 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 12:54 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-08 19:02 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-08 19:29 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-09 12:50 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-02-09 13:21 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 23:06 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 02:35 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 18:49 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 23:11 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 22:31 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-09 23:46 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:33 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 17:46 -0700
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 00:49 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 20:45 -0500
                      Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 20:45 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 19:09 -0700
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-09 22:03 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 14:04 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 16:48 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-10 15:10 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 16:44 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-10 13:43 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-11 00:29 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-10 20:01 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders MartinC <noreply@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-13 20:05 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-02-14 12:20 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-13 18:40 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 23:45 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-14 17:16 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-14 12:11 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:50 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 16:19 +0200
      Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:53 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-09 10:22 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 10:27 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 15:24 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-09 23:47 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:21 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-09 11:22 -0600
          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-09 22:23 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:08 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:37 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 09:59 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 06:40 +1100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:01 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 19:40 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-10 23:23 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:40 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 22:45 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 22:07 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-10 23:38 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-02-11 16:58 +1100
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 23:06 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 17:02 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 16:28 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-11 23:30 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-12 17:20 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 17:25 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:25 -0600
                        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:25 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-12 17:20 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:30 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 04:44 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 23:38 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-13 15:15 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-13 13:52 -0600
                            Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:44 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:33 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-16 08:23 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 12:58 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-16 15:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-11 23:40 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-12 18:32 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-13 05:02 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 13:44 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 19:46 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 12:40 +0100
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 20:29 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 11:30 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 19:08 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 13:32 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 21:00 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:35 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 13:19 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:31 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-12 12:20 -0700
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-14 12:16 -0800
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-13 15:25 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:46 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-14 00:52 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-14 11:57 -0600
                                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-15 01:41 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-15 11:36 -0600
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-15 20:23 +0100
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 11:05 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-19 19:31 +0100
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-15 13:33 -0600
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 11:51 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-16 12:28 -0600
                                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-17 11:33 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-17 17:42 -0600
                                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-15 20:54 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 12:01 -0600
                                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-17 02:59 +0100
                                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-17 11:38 -0600
                                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-19 19:26 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-02-14 12:14 -0800
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-14 17:04 -0500
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-11 16:55 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:19 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-12 12:19 -0700
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:29 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:26 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-13 22:33 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 19:51 -0500
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:23 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:49 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:41 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:37 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:38 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 20:24 +0100
                            Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:11 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:27 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-11 16:53 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 12:11 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-02-12 20:04 -0500
                        Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 12:05 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 11:32 +0100
                  Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-16 11:17 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-16 12:18 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-10 12:41 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 19:42 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-10 21:55 +0100
                Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-11 11:58 -0600
                  Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-11 19:47 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-12 02:05 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 18:31 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-12 11:39 -0600
                      Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-12 19:02 +0100
                        Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-13 11:31 -0600
                          Re: Newsreaders Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> - 2014-02-13 19:11 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-14 00:50 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2014-02-14 11:32 -0600
                              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-14 17:54 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 19:10 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-02-25 09:50 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-25 21:08 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Michael Breslau <mbreslau@speakeasy.org> - 2014-02-26 08:03 -0800
                Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-26 20:12 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-09 17:41 -0700

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#56559 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-15 11:36 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-A39944.11364915022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56551
In article <slrnlfthek.238r.g.kreme@oswin.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> I don't think you know what "logic" means.

I know that's what you think.  That's the problem, and I competely understand why you don't see it.

> First of all, Textedit does much more than simple text files.

As does Usenet.

> Some email is text, much email is not.

As is Usenet.

> > and using text-based tools makes sense, so Terminal should be used
> > instead of Mail.  And so on, for the web or RSS or any other "text
> > based" thing.  You are selling both users and Usenet short when you
> > forward that argument.
> 
> It is not an argument I put forward, it is an argument you invented so
> you could attack it and feel like you were successful.

Successful at observing reality?  Yes, I do want that.  All evidence points to Usenet being more than just text.  If you can't admit that you're wrong about that basic, obvious fact, there is no point in continuing this conversation.

> Unicode is text. X-face is a silly hack that uses text to make a simple
> encode of a simple graphic. Binaries are a hack/abuse that encodes files
> into text to distribute them over a text medium.

You strain credulity when you have to redefine common usage of Usenet for non-ASCII purposes as hacks/text.  The reality is that we no longer live in a 7-bit world, and people like you 
can either admit that and push for things like Usenet to better adapt to 
it, or you can hunker down in a corner with a green screen terminal and 
pretend that's all you need.  This being a Mac group, I'm going to side with the rational people who expect OS X to be more than something that 
launches Terminal.

> > To describe your argument, here is the decidedly-non-text-and-
> > mangled-by-MT-NW "pile of shit" Emoji character:
> >=馬Ð
> 
> MTNW may have mangled it, but before it mangled it, it was text.

No, it wasn't.  It was a binary encoding of a placeholder for a graphic image.  
There wasn't even a way I could find to generate it on this Mac.  I had to jump through hoops to get it into the clipboard on a Mavericks Mac so I could send it to this Mac over VNC.  If I save it to a text file and try to open it with TextEdit on this Mac, I don't get a pile of poo, but rather some sort of "undefined" placeholder.  So even Unicode support isn't going to be enough to reach everyone.

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#56565 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com>
Date2014-02-15 20:23 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<ldoeqo$id3$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#56559
On 15.02.2014 18:36, Doc O'Leary wrote:
>>> To describe your argument, here is the decidedly-non-text-and-
>>> > >mangled-by-MT-NW "pile of shit" Emoji character:
>>> > >=馬Ð
>> >
>> >MTNW may have mangled it, but before it mangled it, it was text.
> No, it wasn't.  It was a binary encoding of a placeholder for a graphic image.

you are just c-o-m-p-l-e-t-e-l-y wrong!
It was 100% UTF-8 text, nothing else.


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#56600 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-16 11:05 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-2A96CE.11055816022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56565
In article <ldoeqo$id3$1@tota-refugium.de>,
 Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 15.02.2014 18:36, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> >>> To describe your argument, here is the decidedly-non-text-and-
> >>> > >mangled-by-MT-NW "pile of shit" Emoji character:
> >>> > >=”nÐ
> >> >
> >> >MTNW may have mangled it, but before it mangled it, it was text.
> > No, it wasn't.  It was a binary encoding of a placeholder for a graphic 
> > image.
> 
> you are just c-o-m-p-l-e-t-e-l-y wrong!
> It was 100% UTF-8 text, nothing else.

You think that because you can name it, you can understand it.  But 
clearly you don't.  UTF-8 is merely an encoding of Unicode, which is 
merely a lookup table for referencing other information.  There is no 
real meaning, textual or otherwise, in any of that.  The "undefined" 
Emoji glyphs on this Mac are just as worthless as the ? or garbled 
characters that MT-NW spits out.  It's not readable text, plain and 
simple, and if you refuse to see that, there's nothing more to say.  I'm 
done with you.

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#56717 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com>
Date2014-02-19 19:31 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<le2tb3$tm2$2@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#56600
On 16.02.2014 18:05, Doc O'Leary wrote:
>  The "undefined"
> Emoji glyphs on this Mac are just as worthless as the ? or garbled
> characters that MT-NW spits out.  It's not readable text, plain and
> simple, and if you refuse to see that, there's nothing more to say.  I'm
> done with you.
>
So am I with you. You will never learn.


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#56566 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2014-02-15 13:33 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<slrnlfvg7p.176q.timmcn@sugaree.local>
In reply to#56559
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:36:50 -0600, Doc O'Leary 
<droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnlfthek.238r.g.kreme@oswin.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>> I don't think you know what "logic" means.
>
> I know that's what you think.  That's the problem, and I competely 
> understand why you don't see it.

The thing is, Doc, that you put words in his mouth and then attacked him 
over something he didn't actually say.  He pointed that out and you have 
overlooked it.

>> First of all, Textedit does much more than simple text files.
>
> As does Usenet.
>
>> Some email is text, much email is not.
>
> As is Usenet.
>
>> > and using text-based tools makes sense, so Terminal should be used 
>> > instead of Mail.  And so on, for the web or RSS or any other "text 
>> > based" thing.  You are selling both users and Usenet short when you 
>> > forward that argument.
>> 
>> It is not an argument I put forward, it is an argument you invented 
>> so you could attack it and feel like you were successful.
>
> Successful at observing reality?  Yes, I do want that.  All evidence 
> points to Usenet being more than just text.  If you can't admit that 
> you're wrong about that basic, obvious fact, there is no point in 
> continuing this conversation.

See, here is where you did that and you still don't get it, based on 
your observation.  Putting words in your correspondent's mouth is not 
the same as "success at observing reality."  It's more like "success at 
creating straw men.

That said, e-mail and Usenet are both now used for more than text and 
you are basically right about that.  In their initial incarnations they 
were not, but technology has moved on.  E-mail can embed graphics and 
other binaries and can aso include them as attachments.  Using Usenet 
for video and images is pretty kludgy, though, and quite a bit of that 
is done for the distribution of questionably legal binary distribution.  
The advantage of Usenet for distributing illegal files is that it's 
harder to track people.

>> Unicode is text. X-face is a silly hack that uses text to make a 
>> simple encode of a simple graphic. Binaries are a hack/abuse that 
>> encodes files into text to distribute them over a text medium.
>
> You strain credulity when you have to redefine common usage of Usenet 
> for non-ASCII purposes as hacks/text.  The reality is that we no 
> longer live in a 7-bit world, and people like you can either admit 
> that and push for things like Usenet to better adapt to it, or you can 
> hunker down in a corner with a green screen terminal and pretend 
> that's all you need.  This being a Mac group, I'm going to side with 
> the rational people who expect OS X to be more than something that 
> launches Terminal.

You're creating straw men yet again, Doc.  Really, doing so undermines 
your argument.  "The reality is that we no longer live in a 7-bit world" 
is correct and was pretty much all you really needed to say, without 
adding the ad hominem.

Although straw men and ad hominem are as much a part of the legacy of 
Usenet as is ASCII text...

For my purposes on Usenet, Terminal and slrn are indeed all I need.  I 
don't check out the various binaries groups, having no interest in or 
need for any of those things.  YMMV.  IMHO we have some newfangled thing 
called the World Wide Web or some such that deals effectively with 
binaries.  I am going to fire up my new program "lynx" to check it out.  
It promises to be pretty cool.

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#56602 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-16 11:51 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-059C83.11514716022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56566
In article <slrnlfvg7p.176q.timmcn@sugaree.local>,
 Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:36:50 -0600, Doc O'Leary 
> <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnlfthek.238r.g.kreme@oswin.local>,
> >  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think you know what "logic" means.
> >
> > I know that's what you think.  That's the problem, and I competely 
> > understand why you don't see it.
> 
> The thing is, Doc, that you put words in his mouth and then attacked him 
> over something he didn't actually say.  He pointed that out and you have 
> overlooked it.

I've done no such thing.  I merely pointed out that his position 
regarding Usenet not only wasn't true, but *if* it *were* true, it 
applies equally well to other apps.  I gave him the choice of either 
changing his position or doubling down on crazy.  He went for Option C: 
cognitive dissonance.

> >> It is not an argument I put forward, it is an argument you invented 
> >> so you could attack it and feel like you were successful.
> >
> > Successful at observing reality?  Yes, I do want that.  All evidence 
> > points to Usenet being more than just text.  If you can't admit that 
> > you're wrong about that basic, obvious fact, there is no point in 
> > continuing this conversation.
> 
> See, here is where you did that and you still don't get it, based on 
> your observation.  Putting words in your correspondent's mouth is not 
> the same as "success at observing reality."  It's more like "success at 
> creating straw men.

Where's my straw man?  I'm calling Lewis out on *his* 
Usenet-is-for-text-only strawman.  In doing so, I refute his thinking 
from two angle: 1) the common approach is to show that it is clearly 
wrong, and 2) the less common but *for* more scientifically important 
approach showing that *if it were true*, it would have other 
implications.

I just learned the word for that not long ago: consilience.  If his 
logic were sound, he would *agree* that reading email from the Terminal 
made the most sense, because messages (including "hacks" for encoding 
binary attachments) are just as text-based as they are for Usenet.  And 
I couldn't really fault him if that's his crazy preference.  But instead 
he went truly bug-nutty and started anomaly hunting and lashing out via 
projection.  Your falling for it doesn't reflect well on you; pick a 
better cause to champion. 

> That said, e-mail and Usenet are both now used for more than text and 
> you are basically right about that.  In their initial incarnations they 
> were not, but technology has moved on.  E-mail can embed graphics and 
> other binaries and can aso include them as attachments.  Using Usenet 
> for video and images is pretty kludgy, though, and quite a bit of that 
> is done for the distribution of questionably legal binary distribution.  
> The advantage of Usenet for distributing illegal files is that it's 
> harder to track people.

Legal issues aside, the inefficiency of encoding binaries (base64 or 
otherwise; raise your hand if you still remember .hqx files :-) aside, 
what Usenet is remains a CDN that, sadly, failed to modernize but 
*still* serves the type of audience that needs a CDN (for whatever 
purpose).  Regulating it to a Terminal and/or to merely text discussions 
is, like I said, truly a waste of one of the greatest infrastructures we 
had.

> You're creating straw men yet again, Doc.  Really, doing so undermines 
> your argument.  "The reality is that we no longer live in a 7-bit world" 
> is correct and was pretty much all you really needed to say, without 
> adding the ad hominem.

I wish that were true.  If it were, I really wouldn't have need to say 
anything beyond "Usenet isn't solely text".  If he were rational, Lewis 
would have then said "You're right.  I have changed my mind.  I, too, 
would like a newsreader with a nice GUI.  Let's discuss how we can 
accomplish that."  Instead he took a position that had me resorting to 
colorful hyperbole to illustrate how wacky he is.  Don't mistake that 
for my argument, though; not all insults are ad hominem attacks.  My 
argument is *still* that he is factually wrong, as the evidence plainly 
shows.

> Although straw men and ad hominem are as much a part of the legacy of 
> Usenet as is ASCII text...

As is calling something a logical fallacy when it isn't one.  That's the 
sort of thing . . . yes, I'm saying it . . . that Hitler might do.  :-)

> For my purposes on Usenet, Terminal and slrn are indeed all I need.  I 
> don't check out the various binaries groups, having no interest in or 
> need for any of those things.

That's sad.  Like I said, it's just a CDN.  If you have no interest in 
Content, I'm surprised you're not a hermit living in a cave.  (Hint: 
this is not an ad hominem attack! ;-)

> IMHO we have some newfangled thing 
> called the World Wide Web or some such that deals effectively with 
> binaries.

No, it doesn't.  Mainly, it doesn't do the Distribution part well.  
Anything that gets popular explodes the bandwidth requirements of the 
provider.  That's why a lot of the earlier video podcasts vanished (or 
fled to YouTube).  Used properly, Usenet could have solved that.  It 
still can, but there are also a lot of P2P alternatives that might work 
these days, too.

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#56606 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2014-02-16 12:28 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<slrnlg20qb.18e1.timmcn@sugaree.local>
In reply to#56602
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:51:47 -0600, Doc O'Leary 
<droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
>
> I wish that were true.  If it were, I really wouldn't have need to say 
> anything beyond "Usenet isn't solely text".  If he were rational, 
> Lewis would have then said "You're right.  I have changed my mind.  I, 
> too, would like a newsreader with a nice GUI.  Let's discuss how we 
> can accomplish that."  Instead he took a position that had me 
> resorting to colorful hyperbole to illustrate how wacky he is.

No mirrors in your house, apparently.

> Don't mistake that for my argument, though; not all insults are ad 
> hominem attacks.  My argument is *still* that he is factually wrong, 
> as the evidence plainly shows.

No, what it shows is that you are of the mindset that you are right and 
all other opinions are wrong.  "I assert it, therefore it is true."

>> For my purposes on Usenet, Terminal and slrn are indeed all I need.  
>> I don't check out the various binaries groups, having no interest in 
>> or need for any of those things.
>
> That's sad.  Like I said, it's just a CDN.  If you have no interest in 
> Content, I'm surprised you're not a hermit living in a cave.  (Hint: 
> this is not an ad hominem attack! ;-)

Why is it "sad?"  I come to Usenet for conversation on topics of 
interest; those conversations are text based.  I don't need warez or 
kiddie porn and if I want music files there are better ways to get them. 

>> IMHO we have some newfangled thing called the World Wide Web or some 
>> such that deals effectively with binaries.
>
> No, it doesn't.  

I think you should see your doctor to check on your irony deficiency.

I saw a bumper sticker once that seems relevant to the discussion, Doc:  
don't believe everything you think.

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#56624 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-17 11:33 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-30FFC1.11330817022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56606
In article <slrnlg20qb.18e1.timmcn@sugaree.local>,
 Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:51:47 -0600, Doc O'Leary 
> <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wish that were true.  If it were, I really wouldn't have need to say 
> > anything beyond "Usenet isn't solely text".  If he were rational, 
> > Lewis would have then said "You're right.  I have changed my mind.  I, 
> > too, would like a newsreader with a nice GUI.  Let's discuss how we 
> > can accomplish that."  Instead he took a position that had me 
> > resorting to colorful hyperbole to illustrate how wacky he is.
> 
> No mirrors in your house, apparently.

Your own irony escapes you.

> > Don't mistake that for my argument, though; not all insults are ad 
> > hominem attacks.  My argument is *still* that he is factually wrong, 
> > as the evidence plainly shows.
> 
> No, what it shows is that you are of the mindset that you are right and 
> all other opinions are wrong.  "I assert it, therefore it is true."

Now *there* is a real straw man.  It should be clear to anyone reading 
that my attack was on the *inconsistency* of the logic, not the 
conclusions (which simply don't matter if the process of reaching them 
is flawed).  Like I said, had you chose to read it, Lewis could 
*absolutely* have also rationally said instead "I do read all my email 
using a Terminal command.  It makes the most sense for me, because I am 
still dealing with a text-based medium."  But he didn't say that either.  
And that you're missing the distinction means I'm clearly wasting my 
time with you, too.

> >> For my purposes on Usenet, Terminal and slrn are indeed all I need.  
> >> I don't check out the various binaries groups, having no interest in 
> >> or need for any of those things.
> >
> > That's sad.  Like I said, it's just a CDN.  If you have no interest in 
> > Content, I'm surprised you're not a hermit living in a cave.  (Hint: 
> > this is not an ad hominem attack! ;-)
> 
> Why is it "sad?"  I come to Usenet for conversation on topics of 
> interest; those conversations are text based.  I don't need warez or 
> kiddie porn and if I want music files there are better ways to get them.

That's the sad part.  You're like those people who *say* they're 
anti-gay, yet they just can't stop thinking about all that gay sex the 
gays are having.  Like I said, "content" is quite neutral, bet in on 
Usenet or FTP or the web or whatever.  If you don't want to find dirty, 
dirty things, I suggest you stop actively looking for them.  I have even 
suggested some excellent ways to use a CDN like Usenet (e.g., for 
podcasts), but apparently you'd rather dismiss legitimate content in 
favor of your feverish outlaw dreams.  So sad.

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#56634 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromTim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>
Date2014-02-17 17:42 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<slrnlg57ik.1bkp.timmcn@sugaree.local>
In reply to#56624
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:33:09 -0600, Doc O'Leary 
<droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnlg20qb.18e1.timmcn@sugaree.local>,
>  Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:51:47 -0600, Doc O'Leary 
>> <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I wish that were true.  If it were, I really wouldn't have need to 
>> > say anything beyond "Usenet isn't solely text".  If he were 
>> > rational, Lewis would have then said "You're right.  I have changed 
>> > my mind.  I, too, would like a newsreader with a nice GUI.  Let's 
>> > discuss how we can accomplish that."  Instead he took a position 
>> > that had me resorting to colorful hyperbole to illustrate how wacky 
>> > he is.
>> 
>> No mirrors in your house, apparently.
>
> Your own irony escapes you.
>
>> > Don't mistake that for my argument, though; not all insults are ad 
>> > hominem attacks.  My argument is *still* that he is factually 
>> > wrong, as the evidence plainly shows.
>> 
>> No, what it shows is that you are of the mindset that you are right 
>> and all other opinions are wrong.  "I assert it, therefore it is 
>> true."
>
> Now *there* is a real straw man.  It should be clear to anyone reading 
> that my attack was on the *inconsistency* of the logic, not the 
> conclusions (which simply don't matter if the process of reaching them 
> is flawed).  Like I said, had you chose to read it, Lewis could 
> *absolutely* have also rationally said instead "I do read all my email 
> using a Terminal command.  It makes the most sense for me, because I 
> am still dealing with a text-based medium."  But he didn't say that 
> either.  And that you're missing the distinction means I'm clearly 
> wasting my time with you, too.

Oh, it's not your time that's being wasted.

>> >> For my purposes on Usenet, Terminal and slrn are indeed all I 
>> >> need.  I don't check out the various binaries groups, having no 
>> >> interest in or need for any of those things.
>> >
>> > That's sad.  Like I said, it's just a CDN.  If you have no interest 
>> > in Content, I'm surprised you're not a hermit living in a cave.  
>> > (Hint: this is not an ad hominem attack! ;-)
>> 
>> Why is it "sad?"  I come to Usenet for conversation on topics of 
>> interest; those conversations are text based.  I don't need warez or 
>> kiddie porn and if I want music files there are better ways to get 
>> them.
>
> That's the sad part.  You're like those people who *say* they're 
> anti-gay, yet they just can't stop thinking about all that gay sex the 
> gays are having.  Like I said, "content" is quite neutral, bet in on 
> Usenet or FTP or the web or whatever.  If you don't want to find 
> dirty, dirty things, I suggest you stop actively looking for them.  I 
> have even suggested some excellent ways to use a CDN like Usenet 
> (e.g., for podcasts), but apparently you'd rather dismiss legitimate 
> content in favor of your feverish outlaw dreams.  So sad.

Doc, Doc, Doc.  You just keep shoveling it deeper and deeper.  You are a 
Usenet classic.

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#56569 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-02-15 20:54 +0000
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<slrnlfvl0b.2732.g.kreme@oswin.local>
In reply to#56559
In message <droleary-A39944.11364915022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
  Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> non-ASCII

ASCII and text are not the same thing.

UTF-8 is not ASCII, but it is text.

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There really isn't any other.'

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#56603 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-16 12:01 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-C9EEBD.12014716022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56569
In article <slrnlfvl0b.2732.g.kreme@oswin.local>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <droleary-A39944.11364915022014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>   Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> > non-ASCII
> 
> ASCII and text are not the same thing.
> 
> UTF-8 is not ASCII, but it is text.

No, it isn't.  It's an encoding.  Neither is Unicode purely text, but 
rather a character set that covers *many* things that are not part of 
any language (which is where I would draw the line on what should be 
labeled "text").  That's why my choice of an Emoji pile of poo was so 
appropriate; it makes my point on so many levels. :-)

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#56616 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-02-17 02:59 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<n178ta-cj71.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#56603
On 2014-02-16, Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
>
> No, it isn't.  It's an encoding.  Neither is Unicode purely text, but
> rather a character set that covers *many* things that are not part of
> any language (which is where I would draw the line on what should be
> labeled "text").  That's why my choice of an Emoji pile of poo was so
> appropriate; it makes my point on so many levels. :-)
>

My Unicode keyboard has arrived:

http://twitpic.com/dvjtf9

--
Paul Sture

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#56625 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-17 11:38 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-8CC276.11383317022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56616
In article <n178ta-cj71.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> My Unicode keyboard has arrived:
> 
> http://twitpic.com/dvjtf9

Better than my thousand words.  :-)

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#56716 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com>
Date2014-02-19 19:26 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<le2t19$tm2$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#56625
On 17.02.2014 18:38, Doc O'Leary wrote:
> In article <n178ta-cj71.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
>   Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
>
>> My Unicode keyboard has arrived:
>>
>> http://twitpic.com/dvjtf9
>
> Better than my thousand words.  :-)
>
⊂(◉‿◉)つ

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#56542 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromBread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>
Date2014-02-14 12:14 -0800
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<ldlte9$i6b$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#56406
On 2014-02-11 18:19:35 +0000, Warren Oates said:

> In article <droleary-4AB9E6.11354411022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> 
>> No, there aren't.  If there were, you could name one (that I have not 
>> already picked apart).  Like I said, I've tried them all over the years 
>> and *none* of them hit the sweet spot that Newswatcher derivatives have.
> 
> I used Gnus exclusively for a long time. You can tweak it so that you 
> get a good Usenet experience out of it -- it's infinitely tweakable 
> (annoyingly so; you always have something you feel like doing to it). 
> Admittedly, it's not the nice GUI that NW is, but it's the best 
> alternative I've found.  I still keep a copy in sync on with NW on my 
> Linux laptop.

I only stopped using GNUS about a year ago, finally giving in and 
switching to unison.

But you have to be an emacs-weenie to love it as much as I did.

I still use emacs pretty constantly.

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#56544 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2014-02-14 17:04 -0500
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<52fe9309$0$1275$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#56542
In article <ldlte9$i6b$1@reader1.panix.com>,
 Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> I only stopped using GNUS about a year ago, finally giving in and 
> switching to unison.
> 
> But you have to be an emacs-weenie to love it as much as I did.
> 
> I still use emacs pretty constantly.

Emacs has been my editor of choice for-just-about-ever even in OS X. 
When I type stuff out for snail mail or for the oul' Woman, I use Word 
(hey, it's fast) but for my shell/terminal config files and my html 
stuff, I use Emacs. In Linux I've got it permanently aliased to emacs 
-nw because I like the way it looks in a fullscreen Xterm better than in 
the X-window.
-- 
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Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
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#56418 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date2014-02-11 16:55 -0500
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<pNidnWWaad-oAWfPnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#56403
On 2014.02.11, 12:35 , Doc O'Leary wrote:
> In article <ldbb6g$h6r$1@tota-refugium.de>,
>   Laszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10.02.2014 20:32, Doc O'Leary wrote:
>>> Then you need to change your approach instead of whining about MT-NW to
>>> actually suggesting something that *is* better, high end or not.
>>
>> You have got plenty of choice, several dozens of good newsreaders are
>> available, pick up the one that fit your needs.
>
> No, there aren't.  If there were, you could name one (that I have not
> already picked apart).  Like I said, I've tried them all over the years
> and *none* of them hit the sweet spot that Newswatcher derivatives have.

Your sweetspot is not everyone's sweetspot.

> To again hammer home what makes a newsreader "good", it starts with the
> ability to easily kill things I don't want to see.

Your scope of what makes a newsreader good is pretty narrow.

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#56437 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com>
Date2014-02-12 12:19 -0600
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<droleary-90AAD2.12194512022014@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#56418
In article <pNidnWWaad-oAWfPnZ2dnUVZ_h6dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Your sweetspot is not everyone's sweetspot.

Nor do I assume it is.  That's why I'm pointing out that nobody should 
be surprised if people jump through hoops to run some software that 
cannot be easily replaced by "modern" alternatives.

> > To again hammer home what makes a newsreader "good", it starts with the
> > ability to easily kill things I don't want to see.
> 
> Your scope of what makes a newsreader good is pretty narrow.

But, really, what other roles does a newsreader need to fill?  It's a 
public system for passing around messages organized by topic groups.  
That part is covered by the RFCs and was "solved" long ago.  There is 
really no reason to have multiple different clients *except* to cater to 
the narrow gaps that aren't covered by the standards.  Managing large 
volumes of messages (aka, filtering) is *absolutely* something that 
should be in the scope of a good newsreader.  The only people who would 
consider that narrow are likely people that don't read Usenet much, 
because there is a lot of junk that still gets posted every day.

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#56441 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2014-02-12 12:19 -0700
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<120220141219381585%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#56437
In article <droleary-90AAD2.12194512022014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Doc O'Leary <droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:

> There is really no reason to have multiple different clients *except*
> to cater to the narrow gaps that aren't covered by the standards.

There's the matter of personal preference regarding user interface.

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#56444 — Re: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions

FromLaszlo Lebrun <lazlo_lebrun@googlemail.com>
Date2014-02-12 20:29 +0100
SubjectRe: Newsreaders + Thunderbird first impressions
Message-ID<ldgi3g$h3$1@tota-refugium.de>
In reply to#56437
On 12.02.2014 19:19, Doc O'Leary wrote:
>>> To again hammer home what makes a newsreader "good", it starts with the
>>> > >ability to easily kill things I don't want to see.
>> >
>> >Your scope of what makes a newsreader good is pretty narrow.
> But, really, what other roles does a newsreader need to fill?

The very first  is to comply with the current RFC, which have not been 
written to be ignored!


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