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Why not NiMH?

Started byJ Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
First post2013-12-04 16:24 -0500
Last post2013-12-19 18:59 +1300
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  Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-04 16:24 -0500
    Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-04 16:38 -0500
      Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-05 11:01 +1100
        Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-04 23:38 -0500
          Re: Why not NiMH? Mike Lane <mike.lane.usenet@ntlworld.co.uk> - 2013-12-05 13:21 +0000
            Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 11:29 -0500
            Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 09:01 +1300
        Re: Why not NiMH? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-05 05:21 -0500
          Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-06 09:07 +1100
            Re: Why not NiMH? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-05 18:42 -0500
              Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-06 11:57 +1100
                Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 18:34 +1300
                  Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-06 17:08 +1100
                    Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 19:19 +1300
                      Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-06 20:14 +1100
            Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 13:30 +1300
              Re: Why not NiMH? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-12-06 12:00 +1100
                Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 18:24 +1300
              Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-05 19:50 -0600
        Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 15:11 -0500
          Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 16:15 -0500
      Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-04 19:59 -0500
        Re: Why not NiMH? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-12-04 22:09 -0600
          Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-04 23:38 -0500
          Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 00:54 -0500
            Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 00:59 -0500
              Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 02:22 -0500
                Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 02:44 -0500
                  Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 03:36 -0500
                    Re: Why not NiMH? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-05 04:21 -0500
                    Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 11:29 -0500
                    Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 16:24 -0500
                Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-05 18:37 +0000
                  Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 14:19 -0500
                    Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-05 13:31 -0600
                      Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 09:07 +1300
                    Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 14:36 -0500
                    Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-05 22:02 +0000
                      Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 13:26 +1300
                        Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-06 00:33 +0000
                          Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 18:36 +1300
                            Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-06 21:22 +0000
                              Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-07 11:49 +1300
                                Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-07 00:11 +0000
                                  Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-07 18:07 +1300
                                Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-07 08:37 -0600
                                  Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-08 09:52 +1300
                        Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-05 19:49 -0600
                          Re: Why not NiMH? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-12-05 21:55 -0500
                          Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-06 18:40 +1300
                            Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-06 21:24 +0000
                              Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-07 11:49 +1300
                                Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-06 18:43 -0500
                              Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-07 08:32 -0600
                                Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-08 09:50 +1300
                                  Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-07 15:50 -0600
                                    Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-08 14:04 +1300
                                      Re: Why not NiMH? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-12-07 21:02 -0600
                                        Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-08 17:45 +1300
                  Re: Why not NiMH? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-06 17:48 +0000
                    Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-06 21:25 +0000
          Re: Why not NiMH? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-12-05 05:33 -0500
          Re: Why not NiMH? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-05 18:35 +0000
        Re: Why not NiMH? Zar Zifodow <zarzifodow@mailinator.com> - 2013-12-04 20:14 -0800
        Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-04 23:38 -0500
          Re: Why not NiMH? Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-04 20:46 -0800
          Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 02:22 -0500
            Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 02:44 -0500
    Re: Why not NiMH? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2013-12-04 23:08 -0800
      Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 03:08 -0500
        Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 11:29 -0500
    Re: Why not NiMH? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-12-05 14:15 +0000
      Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-05 12:43 -0500
        Re: Why not NiMH? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-05 12:54 -0500
        Re: Why not NiMH? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2013-12-05 22:44 -0800
          Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-06 13:19 -0500
        Re: Why not NiMH? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kiraly) - 2013-12-06 22:35 +0000
          Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-07 02:27 -0500
          Re: Why not NiMH? J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2013-12-08 00:10 -0500
    Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-14 18:57 +1300
      Re: Why not NiMH? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-12-17 12:04 -0500
        Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-18 09:27 +1300
    Re: Why not NiMH? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-12-19 18:59 +1300

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#53021

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-12-06 18:36 +1300
Message-ID<061220131836027073%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#53007
In article <bgckagFkg3mU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually
> >> important to be able to stay online and continue computing during
> >> outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are indeed
> >> a viable option for many of us.
> >
> > Most outages are due to problems at the power relay station, which
> > likely means power probably isn't getting to the phone exchange either
> > and your Internet won't be working anyway.
> 
> Heh... Apparently you've never heard of cable internet providers. Nope,
> through every single power outage I have had during the past two years
> at this location, my internet connectivity was not interrupted, as long
> as my modem, router, and switches remain powered, thanks to my UPS.

The there's a power outage at the cable suppliers end, then that will
go out as well.

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#53043

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2013-12-06 21:22 +0000
Message-ID<bgeth1F4mpfU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#53021
On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <bgckagFkg3mU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> > In article <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually
>> >> important to be able to stay online and continue computing during
>> >> outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are indeed
>> >> a viable option for many of us.
>> >
>> > Most outages are due to problems at the power relay station, which
>> > likely means power probably isn't getting to the phone exchange either
>> > and your Internet won't be working anyway.
>> 
>> Heh... Apparently you've never heard of cable internet providers. Nope,
>> through every single power outage I have had during the past two years
>> at this location, my internet connectivity was not interrupted, as long
>> as my modem, router, and switches remain powered, thanks to my UPS.
>
> The there's a power outage at the cable suppliers end, then that will
> go out as well.

Not a concern for me, as it hasn't happened once in the past few years,
while I have had many electric power outages.

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#53052

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-12-07 11:49 +1300
Message-ID<071220131149374386%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#53043
In article <bgeth1F4mpfU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <bgckagFkg3mU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >> > In article <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> >> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually
> >> >> important to be able to stay online and continue computing during
> >> >> outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are indeed
> >> >> a viable option for many of us.
> >> >
> >> > Most outages are due to problems at the power relay station, which
> >> > likely means power probably isn't getting to the phone exchange either
> >> > and your Internet won't be working anyway.
> >> 
> >> Heh... Apparently you've never heard of cable internet providers. Nope,
> >> through every single power outage I have had during the past two years
> >> at this location, my internet connectivity was not interrupted, as long
> >> as my modem, router, and switches remain powered, thanks to my UPS.
> >
> > The there's a power outage at the cable suppliers end, then that will
> > go out as well.
> 
> Not a concern for me, as it hasn't happened once in the past few years,
> while I have had many electric power outages.

But if the cable supplier happened to be next door to you, then it's
quite likely they too would have had "many electric power outages".

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#53056

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2013-12-07 00:11 +0000
Message-ID<bgf7e9F72l6U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#53052
On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <bgeth1F4mpfU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> > In article <bgckagFkg3mU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> >> > In article <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>> >> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually
>> >> >> important to be able to stay online and continue computing during
>> >> >> outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are indeed
>> >> >> a viable option for many of us.
>> >> >
>> >> > Most outages are due to problems at the power relay station, which
>> >> > likely means power probably isn't getting to the phone exchange either
>> >> > and your Internet won't be working anyway.
>> >> 
>> >> Heh... Apparently you've never heard of cable internet providers. Nope,
>> >> through every single power outage I have had during the past two years
>> >> at this location, my internet connectivity was not interrupted, as long
>> >> as my modem, router, and switches remain powered, thanks to my UPS.
>> >
>> > The there's a power outage at the cable suppliers end, then that will
>> > go out as well.
>> 
>> Not a concern for me, as it hasn't happened once in the past few years,
>> while I have had many electric power outages.
>
> But if the cable supplier happened to be next door to you, then it's
> quite likely they too would have had "many electric power outages".

Pure speculation on your part.

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#53064

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-12-07 18:07 +1300
Message-ID<071220131807542815%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#53056
In article <bgf7e9F72l6U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <bgeth1F4mpfU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >> > In article <bgckagFkg3mU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> >> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >> >> > In article <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> >> >> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually
> >> >> >> important to be able to stay online and continue computing during
> >> >> >> outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are
> >> >> >> indeed
> >> >> >> a viable option for many of us.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Most outages are due to problems at the power relay station, which
> >> >> > likely means power probably isn't getting to the phone exchange either
> >> >> > and your Internet won't be working anyway.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Heh... Apparently you've never heard of cable internet providers. Nope,
> >> >> through every single power outage I have had during the past two years
> >> >> at this location, my internet connectivity was not interrupted, as long
> >> >> as my modem, router, and switches remain powered, thanks to my UPS.
> >> >
> >> > The there's a power outage at the cable suppliers end, then that will
> >> > go out as well.
> >> 
> >> Not a concern for me, as it hasn't happened once in the past few years,
> >> while I have had many electric power outages.
> >
> > But if the cable supplier happened to be next door to you, then it's
> > quite likely they too would have had "many electric power outages".
> 
> Pure speculation on your part.

Whatever.  :-\

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#53070

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2013-12-07 08:37 -0600
Message-ID<CEC88EAE.A4EF8%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#53052


On 12/6/13 4:49 PM, in article 071220131149374386%YourName@YourISP.com,
"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <bgeth1F4mpfU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> In article <bgckagFkg3mU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>>>>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually
>>>>>> important to be able to stay online and continue computing during
>>>>>> outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are indeed
>>>>>> a viable option for many of us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most outages are due to problems at the power relay station, which
>>>>> likely means power probably isn't getting to the phone exchange either
>>>>> and your Internet won't be working anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> Heh... Apparently you've never heard of cable internet providers. Nope,
>>>> through every single power outage I have had during the past two years
>>>> at this location, my internet connectivity was not interrupted, as long
>>>> as my modem, router, and switches remain powered, thanks to my UPS.
>>> 
>>> The there's a power outage at the cable suppliers end, then that will
>>> go out as well.
>> 
>> Not a concern for me, as it hasn't happened once in the past few years,
>> while I have had many electric power outages.
> 
> But if the cable supplier happened to be next door to you, then it's
> quite likely they too would have had "many electric power outages".

If they had no means of emergency power they would not be my supplier and
most likely would be out of business. Look at any cable/telephone/broadcast
facility. They have enormous backup generators. Here, where hurricanes can
knock out power for weeks, EVERY such facility has such equipment.

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#53094

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-12-08 09:52 +1300
Message-ID<081220130952424208%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#53070
In article <CEC88EAE.A4EF8%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/6/13 4:49 PM, in article 071220131149374386%YourName@YourISP.com,
> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <bgeth1F4mpfU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> > <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>> In article <bgckagFkg3mU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> >>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>>>> In article <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> >>>>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually
> >>>>>> important to be able to stay online and continue computing during
> >>>>>> outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are indeed
> >>>>>> a viable option for many of us.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Most outages are due to problems at the power relay station, which
> >>>>> likely means power probably isn't getting to the phone exchange either
> >>>>> and your Internet won't be working anyway.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Heh... Apparently you've never heard of cable internet providers. Nope,
> >>>> through every single power outage I have had during the past two years
> >>>> at this location, my internet connectivity was not interrupted, as long
> >>>> as my modem, router, and switches remain powered, thanks to my UPS.
> >>> 
> >>> The there's a power outage at the cable suppliers end, then that will
> >>> go out as well.
> >> 
> >> Not a concern for me, as it hasn't happened once in the past few years,
> >> while I have had many electric power outages.
> > 
> > But if the cable supplier happened to be next door to you, then it's
> > quite likely they too would have had "many electric power outages".
> 
> If they had no means of emergency power they would not be my supplier and
> most likely would be out of business. Look at any cable/telephone/broadcast
> facility. They have enormous backup generators. Here, where hurricanes can
> knock out power for weeks, EVERY such facility has such equipment.

Great for where you are ... but unfortuantely that isn't the same
everywhere in the world.  :-\

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#53011

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2013-12-05 19:49 -0600
Message-ID<CEC6894C.A4E40%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#53005


On 12/5/13 6:26 PM, in article 061220131326165738%YourName@YourISP.com,
"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/5/13 1:37 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/5/13 12:59 AM, nospam wrote:
>>>>>> In article <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC.  When I went to VOIP, I
>>>>>>> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive.  I put
>>>>>>> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the
>>>>>>> other for my car battery.  Now I have phone service when the power is
>>>>>>> out.  If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of
>>>>>>> course comp.sys.mac.system.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries.  The run time is
>>>>> usually minutes.  My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all
>>>>> the phone time I wanted in power failures.
>>>> 
>>>> Uh huh...
>>>> 
>>>> The rest of us get 5-8 years from our UPS batteries, and size the UPS
>>>> units to give us longer run times. It's always best to use your brain
>>>> when making purchasing decisions, eh?
>>> 
>>> Robert Sember, in charge of Electrical Construction and Maintenance at
>>> Eaton Corp., says the standard expectancy is 3-5 years.  When capacity
>>> drops to 80%, deterioration accelerates.
>>> 
>>> I'm with you on this one.  It wouldn't make sense to buy a UPS just to
>>> get online a few minutes in an occasional power failure.
>> 
>> That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually
>> important to be able to stay online and continue computing during
>> outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are indeed
>> a viable option for many of us.
> 
> Most outages are due to problems at the power relay station, which
> likely means power probably isn't getting to the phone exchange either
> and your Internet won't be working anyway.

Both landline and cell stations are equipped with various types of large
generators to deal with that very situation, at least here in the States.

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#53014

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2013-12-05 21:55 -0500
Message-ID<52a13c89$0$35104$c3e8da3$460562f1@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#53011
On 13-12-05 20:49, George Kerby wrote:

> Both landline and cell stations are equipped with various types of large
> generators to deal with that very situation, at least here in the States.

POTS was mandated as emergency service to have 99.9999999% availability
(not sure how many 9s, but many).

Cell service was never mandated to have that availability. Neither was
cable.

When cable went to HFC, with nodes in telephone poles, initially they
had no backup power because they provided only TV service and then internet.

When cable companies wanted to go to telephony, they had to install
batteries in order to provide enough autonomy. however the nodes have
about 8 hours autonomy. And cable companies are ill equipped to bring
generators to all the nodes within 8 hours to recharghe batteries.

Telcos are generally better equipped because many of their nodes in
neighbourhood are powered via old copper from the CO which has big
generators. They also have mini vans with generators to recharge other
nodes.

Cell companies have varied support, some towers have own generators, but
many don't. (this was felt during Sandy). It varies greatly and you
can't be sure how long cell service will last.

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#53022

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-12-06 18:40 +1300
Message-ID<061220131840041554%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#53011
In article <CEC6894C.A4E40%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/5/13 6:26 PM, in article 061220131326165738%YourName@YourISP.com,
> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <bgcbesFitphU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> > <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>> On 12/5/13 1:37 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >>>> On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 12/5/13 12:59 AM, nospam wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC.  When I went to VOIP, I
> >>>>>>> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive.  I
> >>>>>>> put
> >>>>>>> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the
> >>>>>>> other for my car battery.  Now I have phone service when the power is
> >>>>>>> out.  If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of
> >>>>>>> course comp.sys.mac.system.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries.  The run time is
> >>>>> usually minutes.  My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all
> >>>>> the phone time I wanted in power failures.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Uh huh...
> >>>> 
> >>>> The rest of us get 5-8 years from our UPS batteries, and size the UPS
> >>>> units to give us longer run times. It's always best to use your brain
> >>>> when making purchasing decisions, eh?
> >>> 
> >>> Robert Sember, in charge of Electrical Construction and Maintenance at
> >>> Eaton Corp., says the standard expectancy is 3-5 years.  When capacity
> >>> drops to 80%, deterioration accelerates.
> >>> 
> >>> I'm with you on this one.  It wouldn't make sense to buy a UPS just to
> >>> get online a few minutes in an occasional power failure.
> >> 
> >> That's not what I meant or said. For some of us, it is actually
> >> important to be able to stay online and continue computing during
> >> outages. If that's not a requirement for you, fine; but UPSs are indeed
> >> a viable option for many of us.
> > 
> > Most outages are due to problems at the power relay station, which
> > likely means power probably isn't getting to the phone exchange either
> > and your Internet won't be working anyway.
> 
> Both landline and cell stations are equipped with various types of large
> generators to deal with that very situation, at least here in the States.

Fairly pointless for the phone exchange to have power when most people
thes days use wireless portable phones, most of which need power to the
base station to work.  :-)

We had a power outage here (scheduled due to repairs) a couple of weeks
ago which lasted about five hours. When the power came back on we still
had no dial tone on the landline phone for another hour ... probably
some fool forgot to turn the power back on for the exchange.

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#53045

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2013-12-06 21:24 +0000
Message-ID<bgetk1F4mpfU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#53022
On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <CEC6894C.A4E40%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
><ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Both landline and cell stations are equipped with various types of large
>> generators to deal with that very situation, at least here in the States.
>
> Fairly pointless for the phone exchange to have power when most people
> thes days use wireless portable phones, most of which need power to the
> base station to work.  :-)

Not if you have the base station connected to a UPS.

Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing... Lame. 

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#53051

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-12-07 11:49 +1300
Message-ID<071220131149324060%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#53045
In article <bgetk1F4mpfU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <CEC6894C.A4E40%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> ><ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Both landline and cell stations are equipped with various types of large
> >> generators to deal with that very situation, at least here in the States.
> >
> > Fairly pointless for the phone exchange to have power when most people
> > thes days use wireless portable phones, most of which need power to the
> > base station to work.  :-)
> 
> Not if you have the base station connected to a UPS.
> 
> Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing... Lame.

The number of people with an UPS, let alone one connected to their
phone, is at best extremely minimal.

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#53055

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2013-12-06 18:43 -0500
Message-ID<061220131843017884%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#53051
In article <071220131149324060%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> The number of people with an UPS, let alone one connected to their
> phone, is at best extremely minimal.

wrong.

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#53069

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2013-12-07 08:32 -0600
Message-ID<CEC88DB1.A4EF6%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#53045


On 12/6/13 3:24 PM, in article bgetk1F4mpfU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> In article <CEC6894C.A4E40%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
>> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Both landline and cell stations are equipped with various types of large
>>> generators to deal with that very situation, at least here in the States.
>> 
>> Fairly pointless for the phone exchange to have power when most people
>> thes days use wireless portable phones, most of which need power to the
>> base station to work.  :-)
> 
> Not if you have the base station connected to a UPS.
> 
> Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing... Lame.

Agreed. And someone who does not have a hard-wired phone is ill-prepared if
they live in an area with a lot of power issues.

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#53093

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-12-08 09:50 +1300
Message-ID<081220130950346498%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#53069
In article <CEC88DB1.A4EF6%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/6/13 3:24 PM, in article bgetk1F4mpfU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >> In article <CEC6894C.A4E40%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> >> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Both landline and cell stations are equipped with various types of large
> >>> generators to deal with that very situation, at least here in the States.
> >> 
> >> Fairly pointless for the phone exchange to have power when most people
> >> thes days use wireless portable phones, most of which need power to the
> >> base station to work.  :-)
> > 
> > Not if you have the base station connected to a UPS.
> > 
> > Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing... Lame.
> 
> Agreed. And someone who does not have a hard-wired phone is ill-prepared if
> they live in an area with a lot of power issues.

Not just "power issues", but even something like an earthquake ... BUT
the problem is that "wireless" everything is the latest fad and must
have toy (despite the fact that increased use of batteries definitely
doesn't meet the "Green" political correctness), so it's difficult to
actually find anywhere selling a "hard-wired phone" these days. Some of
the portable / wireless phones do have battery back-up in the base
station, but that's not going to last long-term and of course nothing
is going to help if the power outage is also affecting the local
exchange.

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#53101

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2013-12-07 15:50 -0600
Message-ID<CEC8F45D.A5003%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#53093


On 12/7/13 2:50 PM, in article 081220130950346498%YourName@YourISP.com,
"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <CEC88DB1.A4EF6%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/6/13 3:24 PM, in article bgetk1F4mpfU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <CEC6894C.A4E40%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
>>>> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Both landline and cell stations are equipped with various types of large
>>>>> generators to deal with that very situation, at least here in the States.
>>>> 
>>>> Fairly pointless for the phone exchange to have power when most people
>>>> thes days use wireless portable phones, most of which need power to the
>>>> base station to work.  :-)
>>> 
>>> Not if you have the base station connected to a UPS.
>>> 
>>> Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing... Lame.
>> 
>> Agreed. And someone who does not have a hard-wired phone is ill-prepared if
>> they live in an area with a lot of power issues.
> 
> Not just "power issues", but even something like an earthquake ... BUT
> the problem is that "wireless" everything is the latest fad and must
> have toy (despite the fact that increased use of batteries definitely
> doesn't meet the "Green" political correctness), so it's difficult to
> actually find anywhere selling a "hard-wired phone" these days. Some of
> the portable / wireless phones do have battery back-up in the base
> station, but that's not going to last long-term and of course nothing
> is going to help if the power outage is also affecting the local
> exchange.

???????

<http://bit.ly/18rN2QN>

Try again, LOL!

And, yes if you are having an earthquake there are better things to do with
your time...

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#53107

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-12-08 14:04 +1300
Message-ID<081220131404495274%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#53101
In article <CEC8F45D.A5003%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/7/13 2:50 PM, in article 081220130950346498%YourName@YourISP.com,
> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <CEC88DB1.A4EF6%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> > <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 12/6/13 3:24 PM, in article bgetk1F4mpfU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
> >> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>>> In article <CEC6894C.A4E40%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> >>>> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Both landline and cell stations are equipped with various types of large
> >>>>> generators to deal with that very situation, at least here in the
> >>>>> States.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Fairly pointless for the phone exchange to have power when most people
> >>>> thes days use wireless portable phones, most of which need power to the
> >>>> base station to work.  :-)
> >>> 
> >>> Not if you have the base station connected to a UPS.
> >>> 
> >>> Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing... Lame.
> >> 
> >> Agreed. And someone who does not have a hard-wired phone is ill-prepared if
> >> they live in an area with a lot of power issues.
> > 
> > Not just "power issues", but even something like an earthquake ... BUT
> > the problem is that "wireless" everything is the latest fad and must
> > have toy (despite the fact that increased use of batteries definitely
> > doesn't meet the "Green" political correctness), so it's difficult to
> > actually find anywhere selling a "hard-wired phone" these days. Some of
> > the portable / wireless phones do have battery back-up in the base
> > station, but that's not going to last long-term and of course nothing
> > is going to help if the power outage is also affecting the local
> > exchange.
> 
> ???????
> 
> <http://bit.ly/18rN2QN>
> 
> Try again, LOL!

I really don't have the time nor inclination to bother visting that
link to see what you're stupidly on about.  :-\



> And, yes if you are having an earthquake there are better things to do with
> your time...

Obviously I meant after the earthquake when the power may be still out.  
:-\

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#53110

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2013-12-07 21:02 -0600
Message-ID<CEC93D71.A502D%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#53107


On 12/7/13 7:04 PM, in article 081220131404495274%YourName@YourISP.com,
"Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <CEC8F45D.A5003%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/7/13 2:50 PM, in article 081220130950346498%YourName@YourISP.com,
>> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> In article <CEC88DB1.A4EF6%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
>>> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/6/13 3:24 PM, in article bgetk1F4mpfU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
>>>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <CEC6894C.A4E40%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
>>>>>> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Both landline and cell stations are equipped with various types of large
>>>>>>> generators to deal with that very situation, at least here in the
>>>>>>> States.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Fairly pointless for the phone exchange to have power when most people
>>>>>> thes days use wireless portable phones, most of which need power to the
>>>>>> base station to work.  :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not if you have the base station connected to a UPS.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing... Lame.
>>>> 
>>>> Agreed. And someone who does not have a hard-wired phone is ill-prepared if
>>>> they live in an area with a lot of power issues.
>>> 
>>> Not just "power issues", but even something like an earthquake ... BUT
>>> the problem is that "wireless" everything is the latest fad and must
>>> have toy (despite the fact that increased use of batteries definitely
>>> doesn't meet the "Green" political correctness), so it's difficult to
>>> actually find anywhere selling a "hard-wired phone" these days. Some of
>>> the portable / wireless phones do have battery back-up in the base
>>> station, but that's not going to last long-term and of course nothing
>>> is going to help if the power outage is also affecting the local
>>> exchange.
>> 
>> ???????
>> 
>> <http://bit.ly/18rN2QN>
>> 
>> Try again, LOL!
> 
> I really don't have the time nor inclination to bother visting that
> link to see what you're stupidly on about.  :-\
> 

Oh yes we understand what a busy individual you are, however IF you had done
so you would have discovered that your statement about a corded phone
shortage was much like most of your statements in here: baseless bullshit.

Let me suggest that you have your Executive Assistant handle that tedious
task for you and you might just be enlightened, but it is doubtful.

And, I must assume by your above statement and it's indication of your
inability to understand proper adverb and apostrophe use, that English might
be a second language to you. Please have that Executive Assistant do that in
the future!

"You're" friend, George...

> 
> 
>> And, yes if you are having an earthquake there are better things to do with
>> your time...
> 
> Obviously I meant after the earthquake when the power may be still out.
> :-\

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#53119

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-12-08 17:45 +1300
Message-ID<081220131745169173%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#53110
In article <CEC93D71.A502D%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/7/13 7:04 PM, in article 081220131404495274%YourName@YourISP.com,
> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> > In article <CEC8F45D.A5003%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> > <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 12/7/13 2:50 PM, in article 081220130950346498%YourName@YourISP.com,
> >> "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>> In article <CEC88DB1.A4EF6%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> >>> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 12/6/13 3:24 PM, in article bgetk1F4mpfU2@mid.individual.net, "Jolly
> >>>> Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 2013-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <CEC6894C.A4E40%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> >>>>>> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Both landline and cell stations are equipped with various types of
> >>>>>>> large
> >>>>>>> generators to deal with that very situation, at least here in the
> >>>>>>> States.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Fairly pointless for the phone exchange to have power when most people
> >>>>>> thes days use wireless portable phones, most of which need power to the
> >>>>>> base station to work.  :-)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Not if you have the base station connected to a UPS.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing... Lame.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Agreed. And someone who does not have a hard-wired phone is ill-prepared
> >>>> if
> >>>> they live in an area with a lot of power issues.
> >>> 
> >>> Not just "power issues", but even something like an earthquake ... BUT
> >>> the problem is that "wireless" everything is the latest fad and must
> >>> have toy (despite the fact that increased use of batteries definitely
> >>> doesn't meet the "Green" political correctness), so it's difficult to
> >>> actually find anywhere selling a "hard-wired phone" these days. Some of
> >>> the portable / wireless phones do have battery back-up in the base
> >>> station, but that's not going to last long-term and of course nothing
> >>> is going to help if the power outage is also affecting the local
> >>> exchange.
> >> 
> >> ???????
> >> 
> >> <http://bit.ly/18rN2QN>
> >> 
> >> Try again, LOL!
> > 
> > I really don't have the time nor inclination to bother visting that
> > link to see what you're stupidly on about.  :-\
> 
> Oh yes we understand what a busy individual you are, however IF you had done
> so you would have discovered that your statement about a corded phone
> shortage was much like most of your statements in here: baseless bullshit.

If you'd actually bothered to read what what I really wrote, you would
have understood that I said "difficult" ... I did not say it was
"impossible".   :-\

Most high street phone retailers do not stock corded phones (excluding
expensive ones aimed at business users) because the simple fact is that
most people don't want wired phones these days ... in fact, it's around
the tipping point where most people don't even want a landline phone at
all.

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#53035

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-12-06 17:48 +0000
Message-ID<slrnla43fi.qp9.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#52983
In message <bgbvg4Fg4nsU2@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2013-12-05, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 12/5/13 12:59 AM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <l7p4em$siq$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My modem and ATA have wall warts for 12VDC.  When I went to VOIP, I
>>>> bought 50 feet of zip cord, red on one side to identify positive.  I put
>>>> connectors for my modem and ATA on one end and alligator clips on the
>>>> other for my car battery.  Now I have phone service when the power is
>>>> out.  If I had a laptop, I could check the power company's site and of
>>>> course comp.sys.mac.system.
>>>
>>> or you could buy a ups and run more than only 12v devices.
>>>
>> Some people get only 2 years from UPS batteries.  The run time is 
>> usually minutes.  My last car battery lasted 13 years and gave me all 
>> the phone time I wanted in power failures.

> Uh huh...

> The rest of us get 5-8 years from our UPS batteries, and size the UPS
> units to give us longer run times. It's always best to use your brain
> when making purchasing decisions, eh?

The UPS I have my router and cable modem and switch on can run them for
at least 4 hours, maybe more.

The UPS I have my iMac on can run it for at least an hour, though I will
lose the second screen and the external drives.

> BTW, I can run my Mac Pro for a full 30 minutes during power outages before
> running out of juice, and my internet connectivity is unafected by
> outages, all thanks to a UPS.

Also, UPSs generally clean up the power, so your devices last longer
even without power failures.

-- 
Generalizations are always inaccurate.

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