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  New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-03 14:52 -0500
    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Tony <Tony@TheDeli.Sandwich> - 2012-02-03 15:12 -0500
    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2012-02-03 21:21 +0000
      Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-03 22:50 -0500
        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-04 17:38 +1100
          Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-04 17:30 -0500
        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2012-02-04 02:56 -0500
          Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-04 17:48 -0500
            Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2012-02-04 19:30 -0500
              Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-06 17:19 -0500
                Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-02-07 03:36 +0000
                  Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-07 09:43 -0500
                    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2012-02-07 11:39 -0500
                    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-02-07 17:56 +0000
                      Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-08 23:52 -0500
                        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-02-09 08:14 +0000
                          Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-09 14:15 -0500
                            Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-10 08:25 +1100
                              Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-10 14:31 -0500
                                Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 a1pcfixer <a1pcfixer@comcast.net> - 2012-02-10 14:37 -0600
                                Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-11 10:02 +1100
                                  Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 AndyHancock <andymhancock@gmail.com> - 2012-02-11 11:05 -0800
                                    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 07:19 +1100
                        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2012-02-09 08:26 +0000
                        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-09 20:20 +1100
                          Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2012-02-10 14:33 -0500
                            Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-11 10:05 +1100
                        Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2012-02-09 09:40 -0500
                    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2012-02-08 07:02 +1100
    Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Ed Light <nobody@nobody.there> - 2012-02-03 18:01 -0800
      Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 Ed Light <nobody@nobody.there> - 2012-02-03 18:04 -0800
      Re: New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 a1pcfixer <a1pcfixer@comcast.net> - 2012-02-03 21:42 -0600

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#2538 — New Toshiba laptop with Windows 7

I bought a new Toshiba Satellite laptop with Windows 7 installed. The 
moment I opened it up, it went into its automatic setup procedure and 
installed Windows 7 from a recovery partition. There weren't many 
options available during setup (choose 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 7, 
choose your language, and that's about it). It ended up creating the 
following disk structure on the drive:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/759/capturediskman.jpg

Well, I was about to go and repartition it to my own preferences, when I 
discovered that all 4 primary partitions were taken up by the Toshiba 
setup. The first partition is 1.46GB is listed as the recovery 
partition, but it's probably a boot manager partition. Then there is the 
last partition, 527.65GB, which is the actual Windows partition. Then 
there are two mysterious hidden partitions, 24.44GB & 13.19GB, 
respectively. I called up Toshiba support to ask them what these were. 
They said that the 13.19GB partition is the place where they actually 
store the recovery data. The 24.44GB partition according to them is 
reserved for the volume shadow copy service (VSS), I think.

Now, I have another machine running Windows 7, a desktop PC, and it 
doesn't have this separate partition for volume shadow copies. It has a 
retail version of Windows 7 Ultimate installed. I believe it stores the 
shadow copies directly within the same volume it's shadowing.

I'm trying to reduce the size of the boot partition and free up space to 
add a Linux partition for dual-boot. But with the first 4 entries 
already used up in the primary partition table, I can't even add an 
extended partition for Linux to reside in. Thinking what the 
consequences of removing the VSS partition will be? I think VSS should 
work fine with or without the separate partition. Toshiba obviously said 
that they suggest leaving everything alone the way it is now, but of 
course they would say that. What's the opinion here?

	Yousuf Khan

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#2539

So just format that 24.44GB partition and throw another operating system on
it.

Yousuf Khan wrote:

> I bought a new Toshiba Satellite laptop with Windows 7 installed. The
> moment I opened it up, it went into its automatic setup procedure and
> installed Windows 7 from a recovery partition. There weren't many
> options available during setup (choose 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 7,
> choose your language, and that's about it). It ended up creating the
> following disk structure on the drive:
>
> http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/759/capturediskman.jpg
>
> Well, I was about to go and repartition it to my own preferences, when I
> discovered that all 4 primary partitions were taken up by the Toshiba
> setup. The first partition is 1.46GB is listed as the recovery
> partition, but it's probably a boot manager partition. Then there is the
> last partition, 527.65GB, which is the actual Windows partition. Then
> there are two mysterious hidden partitions, 24.44GB & 13.19GB,
> respectively. I called up Toshiba support to ask them what these were.
> They said that the 13.19GB partition is the place where they actually
> store the recovery data. The 24.44GB partition according to them is
> reserved for the volume shadow copy service (VSS), I think.
>
> Now, I have another machine running Windows 7, a desktop PC, and it
> doesn't have this separate partition for volume shadow copies. It has a
> retail version of Windows 7 Ultimate installed. I believe it stores the
> shadow copies directly within the same volume it's shadowing.
>
> I'm trying to reduce the size of the boot partition and free up space to
> add a Linux partition for dual-boot. But with the first 4 entries
> already used up in the primary partition table, I can't even add an
> extended partition for Linux to reside in. Thinking what the
> consequences of removing the VSS partition will be? I think VSS should
> work fine with or without the separate partition. Toshiba obviously said
> that they suggest leaving everything alone the way it is now, but of
> course they would say that. What's the opinion here?
>
>         Yousuf Khan

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#2540

Yousuf Khan wrote:
> I bought a new Toshiba Satellite laptop with Windows 7 installed. The
> moment I opened it up, it went into its automatic setup procedure and
> installed Windows 7 from a recovery partition. There weren't many
> options available during setup (choose 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 7,
> choose your language, and that's about it). It ended up creating the
> following disk structure on the drive:
>
> http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/759/capturediskman.jpg
>
> Well, I was about to go and repartition it to my own preferences, when I
> discovered that all 4 primary partitions were taken up by the Toshiba
> setup. The first partition is 1.46GB is listed as the recovery
> partition, but it's probably a boot manager partition. Then there is the
> last partition, 527.65GB, which is the actual Windows partition. Then
> there are two mysterious hidden partitions, 24.44GB & 13.19GB,
> respectively. I called up Toshiba support to ask them what these were.
> They said that the 13.19GB partition is the place where they actually
> store the recovery data. The 24.44GB partition according to them is
> reserved for the volume shadow copy service (VSS), I think.
>
> Now, I have another machine running Windows 7, a desktop PC, and it
> doesn't have this separate partition for volume shadow copies. It has a
> retail version of Windows 7 Ultimate installed. I believe it stores the
> shadow copies directly within the same volume it's shadowing.
>
> I'm trying to reduce the size of the boot partition and free up space to
> add a Linux partition for dual-boot. But with the first 4 entries
> already used up in the primary partition table, I can't even add an
> extended partition for Linux to reside in. Thinking what the
> consequences of removing the VSS partition will be? I think VSS should
> work fine with or without the separate partition. Toshiba obviously said
> that they suggest leaving everything alone the way it is now, but of
> course they would say that. What's the opinion here?
>
> Yousuf Khan

My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit.

Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there make a 
note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then remove it.
Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create your Linux one, 
and install.

Ed

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#2544

On 03/02/2012 4:21 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit.
>
> Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there make a
> note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then remove it.
> Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create your Linux one,
> and install.

Neither of the two mystery partitions seem to be NTFS or FAT-formatted. 
They seem to be proprietary.

	Yousuf Khan

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#2545

Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 03/02/2012 4:21 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit.
>>
>> Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there
>> make a note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then
>> remove it. Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create
>> your Linux one, and install.
>
> Neither of the two mystery partitions seem to be NTFS or
> FAT-formatted. They seem to be proprietary.

Have a look at the recent posts in the *.storage group,
Andy goes into quite a bit of detail with his Toshiba Satellite
and its likely using the same setup as yours.

With his, those two partitions are for the diskless
restore and what creates the restore CDs,

I thought he might reply to you but then I remember that
his Toshiba Satellite has just gone back to Toshiba for
hard drive replacement and thats the only real PC he has. 

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#2547

On 02/04/2012 01:38 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Yousuf Khan wrote:
>> On 03/02/2012 4:21 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit.
>>>
>>> Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there
>>> make a note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then
>>> remove it. Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create
>>> your Linux one, and install.
>>
>> Neither of the two mystery partitions seem to be NTFS or
>> FAT-formatted. They seem to be proprietary.
>
> Have a look at the recent posts in the *.storage group,
> Andy goes into quite a bit of detail with his Toshiba Satellite
> and its likely using the same setup as yours.
>
> With his, those two partitions are for the diskless
> restore and what creates the restore CDs,
>
> I thought he might reply to you but then I remember that
> his Toshiba Satellite has just gone back to Toshiba for
> hard drive replacement and thats the only real PC he has.

Oh wow, so this discussion has already happened, and not that long ago 
either? I see the other thread in *.storage now. Looks like Andy Hancock 
had an almost identical sized hard disk as mine, it was setup in the 
same way.

Anyways, it looks like I may have gotten my answer from Toshiba. When I 
called them, I expected to get the run-around from them, and they did 
for a while. They told me what the two mystery partitions are for: (1) 
recovery, and (2) Volume Shadow Service. But according to the other 
thread, they are for recovery, and language packs. I think the language 
packs makes more sense to me than the Volume Shadow Service. I then 
called them back and asked them to send me to their second-line 
engineers. And I told the second-line guy, point blank that I needed to 
install Linux on the box, and that he needed to tell me which of the 
partitions can be removed after backing up. So he figured I knew what I 
was doing, and so he told me that the 13 GB parition is the recovery 
partition, and that it can be backed up to DVD's and removed later.

Toshiba furnishes an utility called the Toshiba Recovery Media Creator, 
which does the imaging for you. When the utility first starts, it asks 
you which language pack you want to back up (the choices are English and 
French in Canada, of course). You have to back up each language in 
separate actions, so you can do that, or just backup the one that's most 
relevant to you.

	Yousuf Khan

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#2546

Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 03/02/2012 4:21 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit.
>>
>> Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there make a
>> note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then remove it.
>> Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create your Linux one,
>> and install.
> 
> Neither of the two mystery partitions seem to be NTFS or FAT-formatted. 
> They seem to be proprietary.
> 
>     Yousuf Khan

Use PTEDIT32 and get the partition type fields ?
If run in Win7, use Run As Administrator, or you might see an "Error 5".

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip

Another way to attempt to identify a partition like that, is with "Disktype".

http://disktype.sourceforge.net/

To get that, you can boot a Ubuntu CD, open Synaptic Package manager,
enable all the repositories, reload the repository info (lots of downloads,
takes a minute or so), then in Synaptic package manager you can install
the "disktype" package. Once in there, open a Terminal window and type

    sudo disktype /dev/sda2

That would check the second partition of hard drive "sda". It will
then attempt to identify the partition type. The tool will even
accept a file which holds a file system (like if you "dd" dump a
partition into a file, if you feed it the file, it can also say
what the file system is).

As far as I know, there isn't a Windows version of "disktype". I see
on the info page, it mentions Cygwin, but I don't have that here.

HTH,
      Paul

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#2548

On 02/04/2012 02:56 AM, Paul wrote:
> Yousuf Khan wrote:
>> On 03/02/2012 4:21 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit.
>>>
>>> Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there make a
>>> note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then remove it.
>>> Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create your Linux one,
>>> and install.
>>
>> Neither of the two mystery partitions seem to be NTFS or
>> FAT-formatted. They seem to be proprietary.
>>
>> Yousuf Khan
>
> Use PTEDIT32 and get the partition type fields ?
> If run in Win7, use Run As Administrator, or you might see an "Error 5".
>
> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip

Ah great, this worked thanks! The 4 partitions were type respectively: 
27, 07, 17, and 17.

Type 27 is listed as a PQservice partition, which is either FAT32 or 
NTFS (it is NTFS in this case). It's apparently used by Acer and other 
OEMs as a hidden rescue partition.

Type 07 is standard NTFS (it can also be HPFS, and exFAT).

Type 17 is listed as a Hidden IFS, e.g. possibly HPFS.

http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partitions/partition_types-1.html

> Another way to attempt to identify a partition like that, is with
> "Disktype".
>
> http://disktype.sourceforge.net/
>
> To get that, you can boot a Ubuntu CD, open Synaptic Package manager,
> enable all the repositories, reload the repository info (lots of downloads,
> takes a minute or so), then in Synaptic package manager you can install
> the "disktype" package. Once in there, open a Terminal window and type
>
> sudo disktype /dev/sda2
>
> That would check the second partition of hard drive "sda". It will
> then attempt to identify the partition type. The tool will even
> accept a file which holds a file system (like if you "dd" dump a
> partition into a file, if you feed it the file, it can also say
> what the file system is).
>
> As far as I know, there isn't a Windows version of "disktype". I see
> on the info page, it mentions Cygwin, but I don't have that here.

Well, the whole problem started as a result of trying to install Linux 
on this machine. :)

	Yousuf Khan

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#2549

Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 02/04/2012 02:56 AM, Paul wrote:
>> Yousuf Khan wrote:
>>> On 03/02/2012 4:21 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> My new Acer doesn't have the VSS partition; Win7 HP 64-bit.
>>>>
>>>> Give it a letter, take a look inside it. If there's nothing there 
>>>> make a
>>>> note of the exact size in case you need to recreate it, then remove it.
>>>> Reduce the C partition by as much as you need, create your Linux one,
>>>> and install.
>>>
>>> Neither of the two mystery partitions seem to be NTFS or
>>> FAT-formatted. They seem to be proprietary.
>>>
>>> Yousuf Khan
>>
>> Use PTEDIT32 and get the partition type fields ?
>> If run in Win7, use Run As Administrator, or you might see an "Error 5".
>>
>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip 
>>
> 
> Ah great, this worked thanks! The 4 partitions were type respectively: 
> 27, 07, 17, and 17.
> 
> Type 27 is listed as a PQservice partition, which is either FAT32 or 
> NTFS (it is NTFS in this case). It's apparently used by Acer and other 
> OEMs as a hidden rescue partition.
> 
> Type 07 is standard NTFS (it can also be HPFS, and exFAT).
> 
> Type 17 is listed as a Hidden IFS, e.g. possibly HPFS.
> 
> http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partitions/partition_types-1.html
> 

I'd bet they were all NTFS, given the situation.

>> Another way to attempt to identify a partition like that, is with
>> "Disktype".

> 
> Well, the whole problem started as a result of trying to install Linux 
> on this machine. :)
> 
>     Yousuf Khan

You can "install" packages when using the LiveCD - it's just wasteful
(not persistent). The files end up on the ram based file system, while
you're using them. (There are some persistent options as well, but
that's another story, and more of a nuisance.)

I'm kinda curious, whether you could make an Extended partition (leaving
room for three primaries), then shift some of that stuff into logical
partitions ? If the small 1.4GB partition is what Windows 7 boots from,
perhaps C: can actually be a logical. Then, it's a question of whether
one of those hidden partitions can be moved into a logical as well. Perhaps
you can free up enough primaries, to end up with a spare you can use for
Linux. (The Toshiba software might not be too happy about that though, if
you ever need to restore to factory config - some restore packages insist
on the same partition scheme as was there originally, before they'll run.)

As for the idea of a separate VSS Cache partition, I thought that was only
supported on server OSes. I wanted to do that (move the VSS Cache stuff
off C:), but when I read up on it, I got the impression Windows 7 desktop
didn't include code to do it.

    Paul

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#2553

On 04/02/2012 7:30 PM, Paul wrote:
> Yousuf Khan wrote:
>> On 02/04/2012 02:56 AM, Paul wrote:
>>> Use PTEDIT32 and get the partition type fields ?
>>> If run in Win7, use Run As Administrator, or you might see an "Error 5".
>>>
>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip
>>>
>>
>> Ah great, this worked thanks! The 4 partitions were type respectively:
>> 27, 07, 17, and 17.
>>
>> Type 27 is listed as a PQservice partition, which is either FAT32 or
>> NTFS (it is NTFS in this case). It's apparently used by Acer and other
>> OEMs as a hidden rescue partition.
>>
>> Type 07 is standard NTFS (it can also be HPFS, and exFAT).
>>
>> Type 17 is listed as a Hidden IFS, e.g. possibly HPFS.
>>
>> http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partitions/partition_types-1.html
>>
>
> I'd bet they were all NTFS, given the situation.

It's probable, but when I used the command-line based Windows util, 
diskpart.exe (which I assume is more powerful than the graphical Disk 
Management utility), it couldn't recognize the filesystem on the Type 17 
partitions. I did recognize the filesystem on the type 27 partition, 
even though that's also considered a hidden NTFS. And of course, it 
recognized the filesystem on the type 07 partition, which is a 
completely unhidden standard partition.

> I'm kinda curious, whether you could make an Extended partition (leaving
> room for three primaries), then shift some of that stuff into logical
> partitions ? If the small 1.4GB partition is what Windows 7 boots from,
> perhaps C: can actually be a logical. Then, it's a question of whether
> one of those hidden partitions can be moved into a logical as well. Perhaps
> you can free up enough primaries, to end up with a spare you can use for
> Linux. (The Toshiba software might not be too happy about that though, if
> you ever need to restore to factory config - some restore packages insist
> on the same partition scheme as was there originally, before they'll run.)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, but the only thing that seems to be 
able to read that partition is Toshiba`s own disk imaging utility. I 
suppose I could read it raw with the Unix/Linux-based DD utility, but 
then I need to clear off this partition to even get Unix on this 
machine. Lotsa catch-22's.

> As for the idea of a separate VSS Cache partition, I thought that was only
> supported on server OSes. I wanted to do that (move the VSS Cache stuff
> off C:), but when I read up on it, I got the impression Windows 7 desktop
> didn't include code to do it.

Which just goes to show how ludicrous the Toshiba tech's claim that this 
is a VSS partition is. Besides, a 24GB partition seems awfully large for 
a VSS partition, doesn't it? The only thing I've seen that uses the VSS 
system regularly is my backup/imaging program (in my case it's Macrium 
Reflect, but it could be Acronis TrueImage, or whatever). During the 
time that the imager is working I doubt you're going to get 1GB of 
changes happening in the background, let alone 24GB!

	Yousuf Khan

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#2555

En el artículo <4f3051e7$1@news.bnb-lp.com>, Yousuf Khan
<bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> escribió:

>It's probable, but when I used the command-line based Windows util, 
>diskpart.exe (which I assume is more powerful than the graphical Disk 
>Management utility), it couldn't recognize the filesystem on the Type 17 
>partitions. I did recognize the filesystem on the type 27 partition, 
>even though that's also considered a hidden NTFS.

What does TestDisk say? 

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

> I 
>suppose I could read it raw with the Unix/Linux-based DD utility, but 
>then I need to clear off this partition to even get Unix on this 
>machine. Lotsa catch-22's.

use a live CD.  

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#2563

On 06/02/2012 10:36 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> En el artículo<4f3051e7$1@news.bnb-lp.com>, Yousuf Khan
> <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com>  escribió:
>
>> It's probable, but when I used the command-line based Windows util,
>> diskpart.exe (which I assume is more powerful than the graphical Disk
>> Management utility), it couldn't recognize the filesystem on the Type 17
>> partitions. I did recognize the filesystem on the type 27 partition,
>> even though that's also considered a hidden NTFS.
>
> What does TestDisk say?
>
> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

It says both are "hid HPFS/NTFS"

>> I
>> suppose I could read it raw with the Unix/Linux-based DD utility, but
>> then I need to clear off this partition to even get Unix on this
>> machine. Lotsa catch-22's.
>
> use a live CD.

You'd still need to be able to store the image file on a large enough 
file system, which usually means the internal hard disk.

	Yousuf Khan

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#2566

Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 06/02/2012 10:36 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
>> En el artículo<4f3051e7$1@news.bnb-lp.com>, Yousuf Khan
>> <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com>  escribió:
>>
>>> It's probable, but when I used the command-line based Windows util,
>>> diskpart.exe (which I assume is more powerful than the graphical Disk
>>> Management utility), it couldn't recognize the filesystem on the Type 17
>>> partitions. I did recognize the filesystem on the type 27 partition,
>>> even though that's also considered a hidden NTFS.
>>
>> What does TestDisk say?
>>
>> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
> 
> It says both are "hid HPFS/NTFS"
> 
>>> I
>>> suppose I could read it raw with the Unix/Linux-based DD utility, but
>>> then I need to clear off this partition to even get Unix on this
>>> machine. Lotsa catch-22's.
>>
>> use a live CD.
> 
> You'd still need to be able to store the image file on a large enough 
> file system, which usually means the internal hard disk.
> 
>     Yousuf Khan
> 

The "disktype" program will tell you for sure what it is.

http://disktype.sourceforge.net/

Available from Synaptic Package Manager, if you have all
repositories turned on.

    Paul

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#2569

En el artículo <4f31387a$1@news.bnb-lp.com>, Yousuf Khan
<bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> escribió:

>It says both are "hid HPFS/NTFS"

there's your answer then.  

TestDisk has a 'file browser' built-in.  If those partitions are NTFS,
it should be able to produce a list of files for you.  That'll confirm
that they are NTFS format and not some Toshiba proprietary format.

>You'd still need to be able to store the image file on a large enough 
>file system, which usually means the internal hard disk.

What's wrong with using an external USB disk?

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#2581

On 07/02/2012 12:56 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
> En el artículo<4f31387a$1@news.bnb-lp.com>, Yousuf Khan
> <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com>  escribió:
>
>> It says both are "hid HPFS/NTFS"
>
> there's your answer then.
>
> TestDisk has a 'file browser' built-in.  If those partitions are NTFS,
> it should be able to produce a list of files for you.  That'll confirm
> that they are NTFS format and not some Toshiba proprietary format.

I wonder if I can just change the partition type from 17 to 07, then 
it'll become a standard NTFS. I should then be able to just back it up 
with my imaging program.

	Yousuf Khan

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#2583

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 07/02/2012 12:56 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
>> En el art?culo<4f31387a$1@news.bnb-lp.com>, Yousuf Khan
>> <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com>  escribi?:
>>
>>> It says both are "hid HPFS/NTFS"
>>
>> there's your answer then.
>>
>> TestDisk has a 'file browser' built-in.  If those partitions are NTFS,
>> it should be able to produce a list of files for you.  That'll confirm
>> that they are NTFS format and not some Toshiba proprietary format.

> I wonder if I can just change the partition type from 17 to 07, then 
> it'll become a standard NTFS. I should then be able to just back it up 
> with my imaging program.

>        Yousuf Khan

If you do a sector-image, the partition type should not matter.

Arno
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#2588

On 09/02/2012 3:14 AM, Arno wrote:
> If you do a sector-image, the partition type should not matter.

I've gone ahead and let Ptedit32 change the partition types, and then 
after a reboot, the two partitions were actually automatically mounted 
by Windows as E: and F:.

	Yousuf Khan

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#2591

Yousuf Khan wrote
> Arno wrote

>> If you do a sector-image, the partition type should not matter.

> I've gone ahead and let Ptedit32 change the partition types, and then after a reboot, the two partitions were actually 
> automatically mounted by Windows as E: and F:.

And thats presumably why Toshiba chooses to fake the partition type, so that doesnt happen. 

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#2601

On 09/02/2012 4:25 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Yousuf Khan wrote
>> Arno wrote
>
>>> If you do a sector-image, the partition type should not matter.
>
>> I've gone ahead and let Ptedit32 change the partition types, and then after a reboot, the two partitions were actually
>> automatically mounted by Windows as E: and F:.
>
> And thats presumably why Toshiba chooses to fake the partition type, so that doesnt happen.

I've now made an image of both partitions and blown away the original 
partitions, and it looks like the two partitions are almost identical, 
both seem to be Windows recovery partitions, even though only one of 
them is listed as a Windows recovery partition. In fact, the 13GB is all 
either of them needed, I'm not sure why Toshiba decided to make one 
24GB, it was nearly half empty. I'm not sure if maybe one of them was a 
32-bit Windows image, while the other one was 64-bit. But they both seem 
to contain directories named "64" inside. One could be a Toshiba-centric 
customization of Windows 7, or something.

	Yousuf Khan

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#2603

Yousuf,

> But they both seem 
> to contain directories named "64" inside. One could be a Toshiba-centric 
> customization of Windows 7, or something.

Maybe one was for the OS itself to be restored, the other maybe drivers & 
apps? HP & Gateway have their restore's like that, but not split as in your 
case.

You don't by chance happen to have a version of Windows with bitlocker 
encryption do ya? Windows Ultimate is one of two it's offered on.

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