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  How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-27 07:00 -0800
    Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 05:16 +1100
      Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-27 14:12 -0800
        Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Kirk Bubul <khbubul@charter.net> - 2011-12-27 18:30 -0600
        Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-28 17:49 +0000
          Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 13:06 -0800
            Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-28 22:41 +0000
              Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-29 08:40 -0800
                Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-29 17:41 +0000
                  Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-29 10:12 -0800
                    Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-30 17:11 +0000
                      Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:58 +0000
                        Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-01 20:31 +0000
            Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nospam@gmx.de> - 2011-12-29 19:11 +0000
              Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-29 12:57 -0800
                Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 10:16 +1100
                Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-30 11:53 +0000
                  Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2011-12-31 04:27 +1100
                    Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:55 +0000
                      Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2012-01-01 05:44 +1100
                        Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-01 02:33 +0000
                          Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2012-01-01 14:09 +1100
                Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-30 17:13 +0000
                  Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:57 +0000
                    Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2012-01-01 05:48 +1100
              Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-30 11:52 +0000
                Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 04:06 -0800
                  Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2011-12-30 17:16 +0000
                    Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:49 +0000
                      Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-01 20:19 +0000
                        Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-02 08:32 +0000
                          Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2012-01-02 20:00 +1100
                          Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-02 17:56 +0000
                            Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-02 22:28 +0000
                              Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Salam" <salem@dogfucker.com> - 2012-01-03 19:48 +1100
                  Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:48 +0000
                    Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-01 20:17 +0000
                      Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-02 08:36 +0000
                        Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-02 17:57 +0000
                          Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2012-01-02 22:30 +0000
                            Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "arno fucker" <af@arnofucker.com> - 2012-01-03 20:06 +1100
                              Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nospam@gmx.de> - 2012-01-03 10:14 +0000
                            Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net (GMAN) - 2012-01-03 17:27 +0000
                Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 04:14 -0800
                  Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 05:31 -0800
                    Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-31 13:51 +0000
                  Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nospam@gmx.de> - 2011-12-30 18:15 +0000
                    Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 12:38 -0800
                    Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> - 2011-12-30 12:41 -0800
                    Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2011-12-31 13:04 +1100
    Re: How can I reformat a (very) damaged hard disk ? Arno <me@privacy.net> - 2011-12-28 08:00 +0000

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#2200

Salam <salem@dogfucker.com> wrote:
> Arno wrote:
>> Salam <salem@dogfucker.com> wrote:
>>> Arno wrote:
>>>> Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 29 d?c, 20:11, Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nos...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> You already lost it by dropping the drive on the floor. Damage by
>>>>>> excessive G-forces is easily detected by just looking inside the
>>>>>> drive. So WD bills your credit card with $200 for the replacement
>>>>>> drive.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I suppose you are right.
>>>>> Because the drive did not fall from a high point and was off (the
>>>>> HDD was initially set vertically in an external box then fell flat
>>>>> on the floor). I expected that this event may not be the cause of
>>>>> my problems.
>>>>> I neither gave my credit car number nor sent the drive yet. I
>>>>> think I will keep my damaged drive.
>>>>
>>>>> But what happen if you buy a HDD damaged by the vendor (so you
>>>>> can't know it before you buy it) and you get problems months later.
>>>>> Will WD charge you $200 for fixing the drive ?
>>>>
>>>> Difficult.
>>
>>> For the hard drive manufacturer, yes.
>>
>>>> Typically yes, unless you can show it was
>>>> damaged in shipping.
>>
>>> Its the hard drive manufacturer that has to do the showing, not the
>>> consumer.
>>
>> Typically the HDD vendor can demonstrate improper handling

> Bet they can not in this particular case.

> so
>> the customer has no claim against them and the burden of proof
>> is reversed.

> Nope.

>> The customer can make a claim against the vendor, but that is
>> difficult.

> Nope, not in jurisdictions with viable consumer law. 

Well Roddels, calling EU consumer law non-viable is
pretty stupid. As usual.

Arno
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#2201

Arno wrote:
> Salam <salem@dogfucker.com> wrote:
>> Arno wrote:
>>> Salam <salem@dogfucker.com> wrote:
>>>> Arno wrote:
>>>>> Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 29 d?c, 20:11, Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nos...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You already lost it by dropping the drive on the floor. Damage
>>>>>>> by excessive G-forces is easily detected by just looking inside
>>>>>>> the drive. So WD bills your credit card with $200 for the
>>>>>>> replacement drive.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I suppose you are right.
>>>>>> Because the drive did not fall from a high point and was off (the
>>>>>> HDD was initially set vertically in an external box then fell
>>>>>> flat on the floor). I expected that this event may not be the
>>>>>> cause of my problems.
>>>>>> I neither gave my credit car number nor sent the drive yet. I
>>>>>> think I will keep my damaged drive.
>>>>>
>>>>>> But what happen if you buy a HDD damaged by the vendor (so you
>>>>>> can't know it before you buy it) and you get problems months
>>>>>> later. Will WD charge you $200 for fixing the drive ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Difficult.
>>>
>>>> For the hard drive manufacturer, yes.
>>>
>>>>> Typically yes, unless you can show it was
>>>>> damaged in shipping.
>>>
>>>> Its the hard drive manufacturer that has to do the showing, not the
>>>> consumer.
>>>
>>> Typically the HDD vendor can demonstrate improper handling
>
>> Bet they can not in this particular case.
>
>> so
>>> the customer has no claim against them and the burden of proof
>>> is reversed.
>
>> Nope.
>
>>> The customer can make a claim against the vendor, but that is
>>> difficult.
>
>> Nope, not in jurisdictions with viable consumer law.
>
> Well Roddels, calling EU consumer law non-viable is
> pretty stupid. As usual.

That aint EU consumer law you stupid drug crazed drunken pig ignorant fuckwit. 

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#2181

In article <871bc3f7-7ce1-4c9b-a896-1927aee05d9a@q11g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>, Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 29 d=E9c, 20:11, Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nos...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> You already lost it by dropping the drive on the floor. Damage by
>> excessive G-forces is easily detected by just looking inside the drive.
>> So WD bills your credit card with $200 for the replacement drive.
>
>Yes, I suppose you are right.
>Because the drive did not fall from a high point and was off (the HDD
>was initially set vertically in an external box then fell flat on the
>floor). I expected that this event may not be the cause of my
>problems.
>I neither gave my credit car number nor sent the drive yet. I think I
>will keep my damaged drive.
\\\


You only have to give a credit card number if you are expecting them to cross 
ship or advance ship a replacement to you. If you are just sending it in and 
then they are sending out a replacement, you do not need a credit card number 
on file. Dont let people scare you, get a replacement from WD. 



>
>But what happen if you buy a HDD damaged by the vendor (so you can't
>know it before you buy it) and you get problems months later.
>Will WD charge you $200 for fixing the drive ?


NO, 

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#2194

GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
> In article <871bc3f7-7ce1-4c9b-a896-1927aee05d9a@q11g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>, Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 29 d=E9c, 20:11, Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nos...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>> You already lost it by dropping the drive on the floor. Damage by
>>> excessive G-forces is easily detected by just looking inside the drive.
>>> So WD bills your credit card with $200 for the replacement drive.
>>
>>Yes, I suppose you are right.
>>Because the drive did not fall from a high point and was off (the HDD
>>was initially set vertically in an external box then fell flat on the
>>floor). I expected that this event may not be the cause of my
>>problems.
>>I neither gave my credit car number nor sent the drive yet. I think I
>>will keep my damaged drive.
> \\\


> You only have to give a credit card number if you are expecting them to cross 
> ship or advance ship a replacement to you. If you are just sending it in and 
> then they are sending out a replacement, you do not need a credit card number 
> on file. Dont let people scare you, get a replacement from WD. 

And possibly a fat bill later. I have seen it happen. However
they may still not bill you in the interest of public relations.
With the current HDD shortage it is a bit risky speculating on that.

Arno
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#2199

Arno wrote:
> GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <871bc3f7-7ce1-4c9b-a896-1927aee05d9a@q11g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
>> Castor Nageur <guilbert.stabilo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 29 d=E9c, 20:11, Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nos...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You already lost it by dropping the drive on the floor. Damage by
>>>> excessive G-forces is easily detected by just looking inside the
>>>> drive. So WD bills your credit card with $200 for the replacement
>>>> drive.
>>>
>>> Yes, I suppose you are right.
>>> Because the drive did not fall from a high point and was off (the
>>> HDD was initially set vertically in an external box then fell flat
>>> on the floor). I expected that this event may not be the cause of my
>>> problems.
>>> I neither gave my credit car number nor sent the drive yet. I think
>>> I will keep my damaged drive.
>> \\\
>
>
>> You only have to give a credit card number if you are expecting them
>> to cross
>> ship or advance ship a replacement to you. If you are just sending
>> it in and
>> then they are sending out a replacement, you do not need a credit
>> card number
>> on file. Dont let people scare you, get a replacement from WD.
>
> And possibly a fat bill later.

The worst that can happen is that they send it back and claim that
it is not covered by warranty because he damaged it himself.

> I have seen it happen.

Not to anyone with even half a clue about the law you have not.

However
> they may still not bill you in the interest of public relations.

They will not bill you, at worst they may just refuse the warranty claim
if it does have internal G sensors which show what happened to the drive.

> With the current HDD shortage it is a bit risky speculating on that.

The worst risk is that they refuse to honor the warranty.

That is no worse than not claiming on the warranty in the first place. 

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#2175

Joseph Terner <jtusenet-nospam@gmx.de> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:06:56 -0800, Castor Nageur wrote:

>> The disk has absolutely no external sign of damage.
>> Thanks for telling me this before I open it and definitely lost the
>> warranty :-)

> You already lost it by dropping the drive on the floor. Damage by 
> excessive G-forces is easily detected by just looking inside the drive. 
> So WD bills your credit card with $200 for the replacement drive.

And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.

>> I am just going to try to wipe what can be wiped because I do not want
>> to send my personal data to some unknown people.

> For legit RMA cases (say SMART self-test failures due to defective 
> sectors) just send the drive an ATA SECURITY ERASE command with MHDD. 
> Then it wipes itself without further intervention and is ready for 
> shipping.

> A fall-damaged drive is not able to read, write or erase something 
> reliable. The only way to make sure, there isn't any data left, is to 
> dismantle it phsysically.

Indeed.

Arno
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#2177

On 30 déc, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.

I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
the cause of the problem.

* Is there a way to access the g-sensors so I am sure about this ?

* Does my SMART data (cf. my first post) tends to prove that my HDD
was damaged by a g-shock ?

If the sensors are OK, I think I could return my disk back to WD.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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#2182

In article <3c3bfc0a-253d-4d8d-867d-205122774353@d9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 30 d=E9c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>
>I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
>vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
>the cause of the problem.
>
>* Is there a way to access the g-sensors so I am sure about this ?
>
>* Does my SMART data (cf. my first post) tends to prove that my HDD
>was damaged by a g-shock ?
>
>If the sensors are OK, I think I could return my disk back to WD.
>
>Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>
Send it back, quit listening to some of the high and mighty pontification 
going on and just RMA the drive.


If it wasnt able to handle the simple few G shock that it suffered then it 
failed the design specs. It should have been able to handle 10 times that many 
G's in a parked head situation.
 

RMA it.

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#2191

GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
> In article <3c3bfc0a-253d-4d8d-867d-205122774353@d9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 30 d=E9c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>>
>>I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
>>vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
>>the cause of the problem.
>>
>>* Is there a way to access the g-sensors so I am sure about this ?
>>
>>* Does my SMART data (cf. my first post) tends to prove that my HDD
>>was damaged by a g-shock ?
>>
>>If the sensors are OK, I think I could return my disk back to WD.
>>
>>Thanks in advance for your help.
>>
>>
> Send it back, quit listening to some of the high and mighty pontification 
> going on and just RMA the drive.

"High an mighty"? This increases prices for those that do not
kill their disks. Nothing "high and mighty" about that.

> If it wasnt able to handle the simple few G shock that it suffered then it 
> failed the design specs. It should have been able to handle 10 times that many 
> G's in a parked head situation.

300G is not much when falling on a hard surface. A few cm are
already too much.

Arno
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#2204

In article <9m8i83Fcp5U2@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>> In article
> <3c3bfc0a-253d-4d8d-867d-205122774353@d9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, christophe
> colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On 30 d=E9c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>>>
>>>I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
>>>vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
>>>the cause of the problem.
>>>
>>>* Is there a way to access the g-sensors so I am sure about this ?
>>>
>>>* Does my SMART data (cf. my first post) tends to prove that my HDD
>>>was damaged by a g-shock ?
>>>
>>>If the sensors are OK, I think I could return my disk back to WD.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance for your help.
>>>
>>>
>> Send it back, quit listening to some of the high and mighty pontification 
>> going on and just RMA the drive.
>
>"High an mighty"? This increases prices for those that do not
>kill their disks. Nothing "high and mighty" about that.
>

You are the one who put the religious guilt trip on him.



>> If it wasnt able to handle the simple few G shock that it suffered then it 
>> failed the design specs. It should have been able to handle 10 times that
> many 
>> G's in a parked head situation.
>
>300G is not much when falling on a hard surface. A few cm are
>already too much.
>
>Arno

Still, if it suffered damaged when it stated a higher G shock spec, then it 
failed and should be covered under warranty, period.

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#2209

GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
> In article <9m8i83Fcp5U2@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>>> In article
>> <3c3bfc0a-253d-4d8d-867d-205122774353@d9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, christophe
>> colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On 30 d=E9c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>>>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>>>>
>>>>I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
>>>>vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
>>>>the cause of the problem.
>>>>
>>>>* Is there a way to access the g-sensors so I am sure about this ?
>>>>
>>>>* Does my SMART data (cf. my first post) tends to prove that my HDD
>>>>was damaged by a g-shock ?
>>>>
>>>>If the sensors are OK, I think I could return my disk back to WD.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance for your help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Send it back, quit listening to some of the high and mighty pontification 
>>> going on and just RMA the drive.
>>
>>"High an mighty"? This increases prices for those that do not
>>kill their disks. Nothing "high and mighty" about that.
>>

> You are the one who put the religious guilt trip on him.


I most certainly did not do anything "religious". Moral and 
ethics are coopted by religion frequently, but they are
not religious concepts. Guilt was also not my intention or
aim. If you belive that religion is required for wanting to
behave altruistic, moral or ethical than you _have_ a problem.


>>> If it wasnt able to handle the simple few G shock that it suffered then it 
>>> failed the design specs. It should have been able to handle 10 times that
>> many 
>>> G's in a parked head situation.
>>
>>300G is not much when falling on a hard surface. A few cm are
>>already too much.
>>
>>Arno

> Still, if it suffered damaged when it stated a higher G shock spec, then it 
> failed and should be covered under warranty, period.

It most likely suffered significantly in excess of what it stated.
Quit the consumer apologist line already. The user broke it.

Arno

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#2213

Arno wrote:
> GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>> In article <9m8i83Fcp5U2@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net>
>> wrote:
>>> GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>> <3c3bfc0a-253d-4d8d-867d-205122774353@d9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
>>> christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 30 d=E9c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>>>>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell
>>>>> from vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it
>>>>> was not the cause of the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Is there a way to access the g-sensors so I am sure about this ?
>>>>>
>>>>> * Does my SMART data (cf. my first post) tends to prove that my
>>>>> HDD was damaged by a g-shock ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If the sensors are OK, I think I could return my disk back to WD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Send it back, quit listening to some of the high and mighty
>>>> pontification going on and just RMA the drive.
>>>
>>> "High an mighty"? This increases prices for those that do not
>>> kill their disks. Nothing "high and mighty" about that.
>>>
>
>> You are the one who put the religious guilt trip on him.
>
>
> I most certainly did not do anything "religious". Moral and
> ethics are coopted by religion frequently, but they are
> not religious concepts. Guilt was also not my intention or
> aim. If you belive that religion is required for wanting to
> behave altruistic, moral or ethical than you _have_ a problem.
>
>
>>>> If it wasnt able to handle the simple few G shock that it suffered
>>>> then it failed the design specs. It should have been able to
>>>> handle 10 times that many G's in a parked head situation.
>>>
>>> 300G is not much when falling on a hard surface. A few cm are
>>> already too much.
>>>
>>> Arno
>
>> Still, if it suffered damaged when it stated a higher G shock spec,
>> then it failed and should be covered under warranty, period.
>
> It most likely suffered significantly in excess of what it stated.
> Quit the consumer apologist line already. The user broke it.

It is clearly not fit for purpose if the user broke it like that. 

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#2221

In article <9md8d3FenfU1@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>> In article <9m8i83Fcp5U2@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>>>> In article
>>> <3c3bfc0a-253d-4d8d-867d-205122774353@d9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
> christophe
>>> colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>On 30 d=E9c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>>>>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>>>>>
>>>>>I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
>>>>>vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
>>>>>the cause of the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>* Is there a way to access the g-sensors so I am sure about this ?
>>>>>
>>>>>* Does my SMART data (cf. my first post) tends to prove that my HDD
>>>>>was damaged by a g-shock ?
>>>>>
>>>>>If the sensors are OK, I think I could return my disk back to WD.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in advance for your help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Send it back, quit listening to some of the high and mighty pontification 
>>>> going on and just RMA the drive.
>>>
>>>"High an mighty"? This increases prices for those that do not
>>>kill their disks. Nothing "high and mighty" about that.
>>>
>
>> You are the one who put the religious guilt trip on him.
>
>
>I most certainly did not do anything "religious". Moral and 
>ethics are coopted by religion frequently, but they are
>not religious concepts. Guilt was also not my intention or
>aim. If you belive that religion is required for wanting to
>behave altruistic, moral or ethical than you _have_ a problem.
>
>

It is a problem when you put such a trip on someone here looking for help that 
they dont return a drive that is FULLY under warranty.

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#2230

GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
> In article <9md8d3FenfU1@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>>> In article <9m8i83Fcp5U2@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>> <3c3bfc0a-253d-4d8d-867d-205122774353@d9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
>> christophe
>>>> colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On 30 d=E9c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>>>>>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
>>>>>>vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
>>>>>>the cause of the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>* Is there a way to access the g-sensors so I am sure about this ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>* Does my SMART data (cf. my first post) tends to prove that my HDD
>>>>>>was damaged by a g-shock ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If the sensors are OK, I think I could return my disk back to WD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks in advance for your help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Send it back, quit listening to some of the high and mighty pontification 
>>>>> going on and just RMA the drive.
>>>>
>>>>"High an mighty"? This increases prices for those that do not
>>>>kill their disks. Nothing "high and mighty" about that.
>>>>
>>
>>> You are the one who put the religious guilt trip on him.
>>
>>
>>I most certainly did not do anything "religious". Moral and 
>>ethics are coopted by religion frequently, but they are
>>not religious concepts. Guilt was also not my intention or
>>aim. If you belive that religion is required for wanting to
>>behave altruistic, moral or ethical than you _have_ a problem.
>>
>>

> It is a problem when you put such a trip on someone here looking for help that 
> they dont return a drive that is FULLY under warranty.

And there you are wrong. A raw HDD is a component. There is no
"expected normal use" for that, if you violate what is in
the datasheet then your warranty is gone. And they can basically
put anything in the datasheet that is technologically somewhat
justified, as this is not a device intended for end-users.

Ans since you still have no idea how little a fall it takes 
to exceed 300G (or 500G) for 2ms, I suggest you stop commenting
on the technical facts.

Arno
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#2234

Arno wrote:
> GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>> In article <9md8d3FenfU1@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net>
>> wrote:
>>> GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>>>> In article <9m8i83Fcp5U2@mid.individual.net>, Arno
>>>> <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>> GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>> <3c3bfc0a-253d-4d8d-867d-205122774353@d9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 30 d=E9c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>>>>>>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell
>>>>>>> from vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that
>>>>>>> it was not the cause of the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Is there a way to access the g-sensors so I am sure about
>>>>>>> this ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Does my SMART data (cf. my first post) tends to prove that my
>>>>>>> HDD was damaged by a g-shock ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the sensors are OK, I think I could return my disk back to
>>>>>>> WD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send it back, quit listening to some of the high and mighty
>>>>>> pontification going on and just RMA the drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> "High an mighty"? This increases prices for those that do not
>>>>> kill their disks. Nothing "high and mighty" about that.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> You are the one who put the religious guilt trip on him.
>>>
>>>
>>> I most certainly did not do anything "religious". Moral and
>>> ethics are coopted by religion frequently, but they are
>>> not religious concepts. Guilt was also not my intention or
>>> aim. If you belive that religion is required for wanting to
>>> behave altruistic, moral or ethical than you _have_ a problem.
>>>
>>>
>
>> It is a problem when you put such a trip on someone here looking for
>> help that they dont return a drive that is FULLY under warranty.

> And there you are wrong.

We'll see...

> A raw HDD is a component.

Wrong with an external drive.

> There is no "expected normal use" for that,

Wrong as always, even with an internal drive.

> if you violate what is in the datasheet then your warranty is gone.

Wrong as always.

> And they can basically put anything in the datasheet
> that is technologically somewhat justified,

Wrong as always.

> as this is not a device intended for end-users.

Wrong with an external drive.

> Ans since you still have no idea how little a fall it takes to exceed 300G
> (or 500G) for 2ms, I suggest you stop commenting on the technical facts.

After you stop making a VERY spectacular fool of yourself on the most basic consumer law. 

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#2190

christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 30 d?c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.

> I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
> vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
> the cause of the problem.

On a hard surface, a few centimeters is quite enough. 300G is not 
that much.

Arno

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#2203

In article <9m8i4lFcp5U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 30 d?c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>
>> I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
>> vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
>> the cause of the problem.
>
>On a hard surface, a few centimeters is quite enough. 300G is not 
>that much.
>
>Arno
>
It would rip our body apart.

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#2210

GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
> In article <9m8i4lFcp5U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 30 d?c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>>
>>> I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
>>> vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
>>> the cause of the problem.
>>
>>On a hard surface, a few centimeters is quite enough. 300G is not 
>>that much.
>>
>>Arno
>>
> It would rip our body apart.

Depends on the situation entirely. Maybe have a look into 
physics 101? You seem to be pretty weak there.

Arno
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#2222

In article <9md8l1FenfU2@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>> In article <9m8i4lFcp5U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 30 d?c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>>>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>>>
>>>> I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
>>>> vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
>>>> the cause of the problem.
>>>
>>>On a hard surface, a few centimeters is quite enough. 300G is not 
>>>that much.
>>>
>>>Arno
>>>
>> It would rip our body apart.
>
>Depends on the situation entirely. Maybe have a look into 
>physics 101? You seem to be pretty weak there.
>
>Arno
FUCK you

Weak is being named after a Muppett!!!!

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#2231

GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
> In article <9md8l1FenfU2@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>GMAN <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.net> wrote:
>>> In article <9m8i4lFcp5U1@mid.individual.net>, Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>christophe colomb <christophe.colomb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 30 d?c, 12:52, Arno <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> And modern HDDs often have g-sensors, just for this purpose.
>>>>>> Also know that what you intend to do is fraud and immoral.
>>>>
>>>>> I did not want to fraud or being immoral : the drive only fell from
>>>>> vertical to horizontal position and I just expected that it was not
>>>>> the cause of the problem.
>>>>
>>>>On a hard surface, a few centimeters is quite enough. 300G is not 
>>>>that much.
>>>>
>>>>Arno
>>>>
>>> It would rip our body apart.
>>
>>Depends on the situation entirely. Maybe have a look into 
>>physics 101? You seem to be pretty weak there.
>>
>>Arno
> FUCK you

> Weak is being named after a Muppett!!!!

I am sure this does wonders for your credibility. <plonk>

Arno
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