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Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem

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On 2/15/2023 9:15 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 2/15/2023 8:39 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 2/15/2023 8:22 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2023 7:47 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fritschee.ff@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 10:32:19 PM UTC+1, Ben Bacarisse 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Me: do you still assert that H(P,P) == false is the "correct" answer
>>>>>> even though P(P) halts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PO: Yes that is the correct answer even though P(P) halts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow!
>>>>>
>>>>> So for PO H is a "correct halt decider" even if it states that a
>>>>> program P with input P _doesn't halt_, though it _halts_.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, what can I say?
>>>>
>>>> What indeed.  I think this is pretty much the only reply that should be
>>>> made to PO.  He may, one day, admit that that was wrong and start to
>>>> build a new waffle mountain, but until then, its game over.
>>>>
>>>>> Seems that all cranks are more or less "the same" (in a certain
>>>>> sense): WM, PO, JG, AP, etc.
>>>>
>>>> In some way yes, but they all disagree with each other when the surface
>>>> is scratched because they all want to be the unique individual who as
>>>> seen clearly where everyone else was blind.  I would not be 
>>>> surprised if
>>>> they all had NPD.
>>>>
>>>>> See:
>>>>> https://context.reverso.net/%C3%BCbersetzung/spanisch-englisch/loco%2C+loco
>>>>
>>>> Possibly literally!
>>>>
>>>
>>> int D(int (*x)())
>>> {
>>>    int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>> }
>>>
>>> int main()
>>> {
>>>    Output("Input_Halts = ", H(D,D));
>>>    Output("Input_Halts = ", D(D));
>>> }
>>>
>>> None-the-less Ben will not lie about:
>>> *H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated by H would never halt*
>>> *H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated by H would never halt*
>>> *H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated by H would never halt*
>>
>> In other words because Ben is not a liar he implicitly affirms that
>> H(D,D) does correctly compute the mapping from its input to its reject
>> state on the above basis.
>>
> 
> There are all kinds of way to weasel word around the above two verified
> facts that will fool the gullible.
> 
> *None-the-less this verified fact remains irrefutable*
> 
> H(D,D) does correctly compute the mapping from its input to its reject
> state on the basis that H correctly predicts that D correctly simulated
> by H would never halt.

*Finally a most important key point of agreement*

Now we are at the point where I said that I painted my house white and
people disagree on the basis that the can of paint said that the color
was eggshell.

-- 
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-14 18:57 -0600
  Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-14 21:03 -0500
  Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 08:57 -0600
    Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 18:57 -0500
  Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 20:22 -0600
    Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 21:36 -0500
    Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 20:39 -0600
      Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 21:55 -0500
      Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 21:15 -0600
        Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 22:20 -0500
        Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-15 21:28 -0600
          Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-15 22:42 -0500
            Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-02-16 10:59 -0600
              Re: Simulating halt deciders defeat the halting theorem Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2023-02-16 18:43 -0500

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