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  Let's not bluff ourselves. no.top.post@gmail.com - 2015-06-11 17:42 +0000
    Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-06-11 11:19 -0700
      Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Harold Stevens <wookie@cindy.localdomain> - 2015-06-11 14:33 -0500
        Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-06-11 14:06 -0700
          Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-06-15 19:09 +0100
            Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-06-16 01:37 +0200
              Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-06-15 18:13 -0700
                Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-06-16 09:14 +0200
                Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-06-16 23:08 +0000
                  Re: Let's not bluff ourselves.  Off topic!! Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-06-16 18:40 -0700
      Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2015-06-11 22:40 -0400
      Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net> - 2015-06-12 11:32 +0200
        Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-06-12 07:27 -0700
      Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-06-14 19:37 -0700
      Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. no.top.post@gmail.com - 2015-06-19 04:48 +0000
    Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Andreas Kohlbach <june15.6.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-06-11 17:25 -0400
      Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2015-06-12 09:04 +0100
        Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-06-14 23:14 +0000
      Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Unknown <dog@gmail.com> - 2015-06-15 14:24 +0000
    Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2015-06-11 22:32 -0400
      Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-06-13 16:06 -0400
        Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-06-13 13:47 -0700
        Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2015-06-13 20:14 -0400
          Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-06-14 23:15 +0000
    Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-06-14 23:12 +0000

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#14910 — Let's not bluff ourselves.

we can't be free of the crushing heel of M$.

Government transactions which you must comply with don't follow
*nix [open standards].
You are forced to have an "up to date Microsoft compatible system".

So you just have a dual/multi-bootable system, with the first
partitions given to M$.

That worked OK, until I needed to attatch a fd0 device for some
unusual reason.
Although I normally boot into Slakware from a USBstik, with BIOS:
1stboot-device=hard-disk  Debian-Wheezy's grub had made a nice
ability to also boot to M$-Win7 [fancy]. But after messing with the 
fd0, grub seems to be messed too.

Some years back, it was interesting to investigate grub, but I don't
want to do that again.
Is grub too smart, and reconfigures itself as the devices change?
Eg: devices are no longer hdxN, but the <actual device ID>
and hdx has become sdy.

fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, *parted* ... etc. are all inconsistent,
because M$ holds the keys to the gate. 
And the extra pre/dummy partition that Win* now uses ?

Perhaps a safer/more-stable method is to "come in the front door"
and use loadlin to got to the various linux?
loadlin has only got 3,4,5 simple args.

WDYS?

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#14911

On 06/11/2015 10:42 AM, no.top.post@gmail.com wrote:
> we can't be free of the crushing heel of M$.

	Oh sure you can.
	Just run an old version of XP in VB.
	I see this is cross-posted so maybe the OP is a Troll
if so let me know and I will plunk him.

>
> Government transactions which you must comply with don't follow
> *nix [open standards].
> You are forced to have an "up to date Microsoft compatible system".
>
> So you just have a dual/multi-bootable system, with the first
> partitions given to M$.
>
> That worked OK, until I needed to attatch a fd0 device for some
> unusual reason.
> Although I normally boot into Slakware from a USBstik, with BIOS:
> 1stboot-device=hard-disk  Debian-Wheezy's grub had made a nice
> ability to also boot to M$-Win7 [fancy]. But after messing with the
> fd0, grub seems to be messed too.

	Well that is hard.  But is it Grub or GRUB2?
>
> Some years back, it was interesting to investigate grub, but I don't
> want to do that again.

	Too bad.  I never want to spend my time but I do not want
to use Windows very much.  I keep it on my machine against extreme
need such as helping someone who must use it.

> Is grub too smart, and reconfigures itself as the devices change?
> Eg: devices are no longer hdxN, but the <actual device ID>
> and hdx has become sdy.

	GRUB2 is the current choice for dealing with Windows 8
and higher systems.  It is just about smart enough.
>
> fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, *parted* ... etc. are all inconsistent,
> because M$ holds the keys to the gate.
> And the extra pre/dummy partition that Win* now uses ?

	No dummy partitions, each has a purpose. Windows Boot Manger in
one, efi in the other.  When booting a Linux system with Secure Boot
turned off efi is mounted as /boot/efi.  I took my current Windows
partion from 700 GiB to <60 GiB and made a data partition in case
I need to share or actually create something on Windows of <100 GiB.

	GPartEd is the best option for setting up Linux partitions before 
installation After the Windows partition is reduced by its own
tools.  If you Google or whatever on "Reducing Windows Partition"
you should find a method for reduction of the page file size

	On Mageia 5 RC and even on Mageia 4.1 I had no problems
and currently access Windows 8.1 by NOT hitting escape at boot up.
then waiting until the menu shows up and choosing the Mageia option
on the hard disk then picking a version of Mageia or whatever system
you are using.  Not all systems are ready for UEFI but if you
scan the .iso file you should see an efi partition,  Some like
Fedora have shims that let you continue to use Secure Boot.
	Of course that is extra protection if whoever is there without
your permission may be un-knowledgeable and not know how to turn it
off.  So put a password on your (U)EFI BIOS access whatever you
do.

>
> Perhaps a safer/more-stable method is to "come in the front door"
> and use loadlin to got to the various linux?
> loadlin has only got 3,4,5 simple args.
>
> WDYS?
>
	Well I don't know loadlin but I used to use LiLo and I hear
there is an e-Lilo in the works but GRUB2 is the current choice.

	Which Linux distribution are you using?

	What sort of hardware are you using?


	bliss

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#14912

In <mlcjc8$e67$1@dont-email.me> Bobbie Sellers:

[Snip...]

> if so let me know and I will plunk him

IMO, no.top.post@gmail.com trolls. Up to you; I did so months ago.

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#14913

On 06/11/2015 12:33 PM, Harold Stevens wrote:
> In <mlcjc8$e67$1@dont-email.me> Bobbie Sellers:
>
> [Snip...]
>
>> if so let me know and I will plunk him
>
> IMO, no.top.post@gmail.com trolls. Up to you; I did so months ago.
>

	It sure looked that way to me too so I asked, just to be
confirmed in my suspicion.
	>Plonked.<

	bliss
	

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#14946

On 11/06/2015 22:06, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>      It sure looked that way to me too so I asked, just to be
> confirmed in my suspicion.
>      >Plonked.<
>
>      bliss

Good man. Plonked the troll a long time back. I only see his drivel when 
someone reposts it.

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#14948

On Monday 15 June 2015 20:09, mm0fmf conveyed the following to 
alt.os.linux.debian...

> On 11/06/2015 22:06, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>      It sure looked that way to me too so I asked, just to be
>> confirmed in my suspicion.
>>      >Plonked.<
>>
>>      bliss
> 
> Good man. [...]

Bobbie is not a man. ;)

-- 
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         http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157

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#14949

On 06/15/2015 04:37 PM, Aragorn wrote:
> On Monday 15 June 2015 20:09, mm0fmf conveyed the following to
> alt.os.linux.debian...
>
>> On 11/06/2015 22:06, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>       It sure looked that way to me too so I asked, just to be
>>> confirmed in my suspicion.
>>>       >Plonked.<
>>>
>>>       bliss
>>
>> Good man. [...]
>
> Bobbie is not a man. ;)

	Indeed I am not but I can take it as "mmOfmf" intended.

	Aragorn, I am presently playing Angband on Mageia 5RC, as a  dwarf 
paladin wearing the Cloak of Thoringil. much dying as I find
newer deadlier than ever habitants below 1400 feet,

	bliss

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#14950

On Tuesday 16 June 2015 03:13, Bobbie Sellers conveyed the following to 
comp.os.linux.misc...

> On 06/15/2015 04:37 PM, Aragorn wrote:
>> On Monday 15 June 2015 20:09, mm0fmf conveyed the following to
>> alt.os.linux.debian...
>>
>>> On 11/06/2015 22:06, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>       It sure looked that way to me too so I asked, just to be
>>>> confirmed in my suspicion.
>>>>       >Plonked.<
>>>>
>>>>       bliss
>>>
>>> Good man. [...]
>>
>> Bobbie is not a man. ;)
> 
> Indeed I am not but I can take it as "mmOfmf" intended.
> 
> Aragorn, I am presently playing Angband on Mageia 5RC, as a  dwarf
> paladin wearing the Cloak of Thoringil. much dying as I find
> newer deadlier than ever habitants below 1400 feet,

Damn, and I suppose that there's no way you can sneak a Klingon 
disrupter into Middle-Earth. :p

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         http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157

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#14953

In article <mlnt4k$1bk$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>On 06/15/2015 04:37 PM, Aragorn wrote:
>> On Monday 15 June 2015 20:09, mm0fmf conveyed the following to
>> alt.os.linux.debian...
>>
>>> On 11/06/2015 22:06, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>       It sure looked that way to me too so I asked, just to be
>>>> confirmed in my suspicion.
>>>>       >Plonked.<
>>>>
>>>>       bliss
>>>
>>> Good man. [...]
>>
>> Bobbie is not a man. ;)
>
>        Indeed I am not but I can take it as "mmOfmf" intended.
>
>        Aragorn, I am presently playing Angband on Mageia 5RC, as a  dwarf 
>paladin wearing the Cloak of Thoringil. much dying as I find
>newer deadlier than ever habitants below 1400 feet,
>
>        bliss

Ah .. the joys of "accidentally" making a copy of the data file. :) :)

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#14954 — Re: Let's not bluff ourselves. Off topic!!

On 06/16/2015 04:08 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote:
> In article <mlnt4k$1bk$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> On 06/15/2015 04:37 PM, Aragorn wrote:
>>> On Monday 15 June 2015 20:09, mm0fmf conveyed the following to
>>> alt.os.linux.debian...
>>>
>>>> On 11/06/2015 22:06, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>>        It sure looked that way to me too so I asked, just to be
>>>>> confirmed in my suspicion.
>>>>>        >Plonked.<
>>>>>
>>>>>        bliss
>>>>
>>>> Good man. [...]
>>>
>>> Bobbie is not a man. ;)
>>
>>         Indeed I am not but I can take it as "mmOfmf" intended.
>>
>>         Aragorn, I am presently playing Angband on Mageia 5RC, as a  dwarf
>> paladin wearing the Cloak of Thoringil. much dying as I find
>> newer deadlier than ever habitants below 1400 feet,
>>
>>         bliss
>
> Ah .. the joys of "accidentally" making a copy of the data file. :) :)
>
>
	I will just say that I save often and when killed I quit and then on 
restarting the game it will simply start again from the last saved file. 
  On the Amiga I had a machine that was slow enough I could
cheat but on the XP I did copy save files.  In any case it is no great
advantage as I am rotten on everything but Klondike and KMahjongg.  I
used to be a shark at Monopoly and dangerous at single deck Blackjack
but even turn by turn games throw me for a loop.

	I got addicted to dungeon crawling on CPM running on my
old C=128.
	Note the Subject line?  I am not bluffing about my
lack of skill with games.  But still I love Angband because it is like
going shopping at bargain basement. Sharpest elbows(?) get the best
clothes.	
	This is Angband 3.5.1 and it is different in that the stores
in town no longer buy your excess equipment.  Maybe staves or wands
in the Magic Shop,  Other shops will accept equipment for id but
not oat for it.  The Dwarven race can spot lodes of metal or jewels
a few tiles into the wall so it does not take long until you are
rolling in cash.

Here is a character dump just to go completely off topic
  Name   Griga June 3.1 Age           39          Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
  Sex    Female       Height        3'8"   STR:  18/80  +2  +1  +2 18/130
  Race   Dwarf        Weight     8st 1lb   INT:     10  -3  -3  +1      5
  Class  Paladin      Turns used:          WIS:      6  +2  +1  +3     12
  Title  Guardian     Game       2177483   DEX:     12  -2  -1  +2     11
  HP     354/354      Standard    210684   CON:     16  +2  +2  +2  18/40
  SP     28/28        Resting       8439

  Level                 31    Armor      [39,+69]    Saving Throw     69%
  Cur Exp           184125                           Stealth          Bad
  Max Exp           184240    Melee       2d6,+21    Disarming        38%
  Adv Exp           232500    To-hit       63,+23    Magic Devices     64
                              Blows      4.4/turn    Perception   1 in 38
  Gold              157551                           Searching        19%
  Burden         184.0 lbs    Shoot to-dam    +19    Infravision    50 ft
  Speed                 -1    To-hit       44,+13
  Max Depth    1600' (L32)    Shots        1/turn

  You are the only child of a Dwarven Miner.  You are a credit to the
  family.  You have dark brown eyes, straight brown hair, a one foot
  beard, and a dark complexion.


rAcid:......+++.... Nexus:.............
rElec:......+.+.... Nethr:.............
rFire:......+.+.... Chaos:.............
rCold:......+.+.... Disen:.............
rPois:............. Feath:...........+.
rLite:............. pFear:.......+.....
rDark:............. pBlnd:............+
Sound:............. pConf:.............
Shard:............. pStun:.............

Light:.....+....... Tunn.:............+
Regen:............. Speed:.............
   ESP:............. Blows:+............
Invis:.......+..... Shots:.............
FrAct:.......+..... Might:.............
HLife:............. S.Dig:.............
Stea.:............. ImpHP:.............
Sear.:.............  Fear:.............
Infra:............+ Aggrv:.............


   [Character Equipment]

a) the Rapier 'Careth Asdriag' (2d6) (+16,+12) <+1, +2>
      Dropped by a Small kobold at 900 feet (level 18).
      +1 attack speed.     +2 strength, dexterity, constitution.
      Slays animals, orcs, trolls, giants, dragons.
      Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
      Combat info:     4.4 blows/round.
      With +0 STR and +6 DEX you would get 4.8 blows
      Average damage/round: 160.2 vs. animals, 192.6 vs. orcs, 192.6 vs.
      trolls, 192.6 vs. giants, 192.6 vs. dragons, and 127.8 vs. others.

b) a Short Bow of Power (x2) (+6,+19)
      Dropped by Angamaitë of Umbar at 1150 feet (level 23).

c) a Ring of Protection [+11]      Bought from a store.

d) a Ring of Protection [+10]     Bought from a store.

e) an Amulet of Wisdom <+3>      Bought from a store.
     +3 wisdom.     Sustains wisdom.

f) the Phial of Galadriel <+3>
      Conjured forth by magic at 1200 feet (level 24).
      Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
      Radius 3 light.
      When activated, it lights up the surrounding area, hurting
      light-sensitive creatures.
      Takes 9 to 18 turns to recharge at your current speed.
      Your chance of success is 94.6%

g) Leather Scale Mail of Resistance (-1) [20,+11]
      Dropped by Lugdush, the Uruk at 1200 feet (level 24).
      Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
      Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.

h) the Cloak of Thorongil [1,+10]
      Dropped by Boldor, King of the Yeeks at 900 feet (level 18).
      Provides resistance to acid.
      Provides protection from fear.
      Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
      Prevents paralysis.  Grants the ability to see invisible things.

i) a Small Metal Shield of Resistance [5,+6]
      Found lying on the floor of a special room at 900 feet (level 18). 
          Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
      		Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.

j) a Metal Cap of Intelligence [3,+8] <+1>
      Found lying on the floor at 1000 feet (level 20).
      +1 intelligence.       Sustains intelligence.

k) a Set of Mithril Gauntlets [6,+6]
      Dropped by Gorbag, the Orc Captain at 1100 feet (level 22).
      Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.

l) a Pair of Iron Shod Boots of Slow Descent [4,+7]
      Bought from a store.
      Cannot be harmed by fire.      Feather Falling.



   [Character Quiver]



   [Character Inventory]

a) 5 Holy Books of Prayers [Beginners Handbook]
b) 5 Holy Books of Prayers [Words of Wisdom]
c) 5 Holy Books of Prayers [Chants and Blessings]
d) 4 Holy Books of Prayers [Exorcism and Dispelling]
e) 5 Mushrooms of Second Sight
f) a Mushroom of Vigor
g) a Mushroom of Clear Mind
h) 5 Mushrooms of Stoneskin
i) 28 Potions of Cure Serious Wounds
j) 11 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds
k) 14 Potions of Neutralize Poison
l) 13 Potions of Restore Mana
m) 10 Potions of Speed
n) 8 Potions of Resist Poison
o) 16 Scrolls of Identify
p) 9 Scrolls of Word of Recall
q) 5 Scrolls of Protection from Evil
r) 2 Rods of Trap Location
s) 2 Rods of Disarming
t) 3 Staves of Identify (32 charges)
u) a Lucerne Hammer (2d5) (+7,+7)
      Found lying on the floor at 1550 feet (level 31).

      Combat info:
      1.6 blows/round.
      With +2 STR and +0 DEX you would get 2.0 blows
      With +0 STR and +1 DEX you would get 2.0 blows
      Average damage/round: 34.5.

v) 30 Seeker Arrows (4d4) (+9,+5)
      Dropped by a Ghoul at 1550 feet (level 31).

      Combat info:
      Hits targets up to 100 feet away.
      Average damage/round: 69.3.
      35% chance of breaking upon contact.


	bliss

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#14916

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:19:00 -0400, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> 	On Mageia 5 RC and even on Mageia 4.1 I had no problems
> and currently access Windows 8.1 by NOT hitting escape at boot up.
> then waiting until the menu shows up and choosing the Mageia option
> on the hard disk then picking a version of Mageia or whatever system
> you are using.  Not all systems are ready for UEFI but if you
> scan the .iso file you should see an efi partition,  Some like

Note that Mageia has decided not to support restricted boot (aka secure
boot). It must be disabled to boot Mageia.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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#14918

On 06/11/2015 08:19 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>     Well I don't know loadlin but I used to use LiLo and I hear
It was the command line loader that ran on top of DOS (?!)

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#14919

On 06/12/2015 02:32 AM, Johann Klammer wrote:
> On 06/11/2015 08:19 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>      Well I don't know loadlin but I used to use LiLo and I hear

> It was the command line loader that ran on top of DOS (?!)
>

	Ah even a troll can lead to learning.
	Although you cannot lead a troll to learning.
	
	bliss

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#14940

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.os.linux.slackware.]
On 2015-06-11, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> On 06/11/2015 10:42 AM, no.top.post@gmail.com wrote:
>> we can't be free of the crushing heel of M$.
>
> 	I see this is cross-posted so maybe the OP is a Troll
> if so let me know and I will plunk him.

Oh yeah, known troll for many years.  I have at least 10 different
morphs for it in my scorefile.

--keith

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#14981

In article <mlcjc8$e67$1@dont-email.me>, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote: 

> On 06/11/2015 10:42 AM, no.top.post@gmail.com wrote:
> > we can't be free of the crushing heel of M$.
> 
> 	Oh sure you can.
> 	Just run an old version of XP in VB.
> 	I see this is cross-posted so maybe the OP is a Troll
> if so let me know and I will plunk him.

Do you dispute that mt topic is applicable to all forks of linux?!
-- snip --

> 	GRUB2 is the current choice for dealing with Windows 8
> and higher systems.  It is just about smart enough.
> >
I'd heard that Win 8 is a dud and the kiddies are getting Win 10?
-- snip --
> 	GPartEd is the best option for setting up Linux partitions before 
> installation After the Windows partition is reduced by its own
> tools.  If you Google or whatever on "Reducing Windows Partition"
> you should find a method for reduction of the page file size

-- OK, I've filed your tech-info for later reference.
The easy way was to allow M$ have the first partition/s of the new HDD,
and let other OSs come in the back-door; originally via a fd0, and what
I really like in Slakware now, via a USBstik.
-- snip --
> 	Well I don't know loadlin but I used to use LiLo and I hear
> there is an e-Lilo in the works but GRUB2 is the current choice.
> 
> 	Which Linux distribution are you using?
> 
> 	What sort of hardware are you using?
> 
I'm not commited to A distribution or hardware.
That's why I strive to avoid M$ locking-me-in. 

> 	bliss

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#14914

no.top.post@gmail.com wrote on 11. June 2015:
>
> we can't be free of the crushing heel of M$.
>
> Government transactions which you must comply with don't follow
> *nix [open standards].
> You are forced to have an "up to date Microsoft compatible system".

Example program or application?

> So you just have a dual/multi-bootable system, with the first
> partitions given to M$.

You can have Windows on a different than the first partition.

> That worked OK, until I needed to attatch a fd0 device for some
> unusual reason.

Oh fd0? We're talking about the late 1980s/early 1990s and you run
Windows 3. Finally all you say makes sense.

[...]

I guess you have messed up the partition table. (Probably) not even
Microsoft's fault.
-- 
Andreas

I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
as I have to reboot my computer.

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#14917

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 17:25:52 -0400
Andreas Kohlbach <june15.6.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:

> no.top.post@gmail.com wrote on 11. June 2015:
> >
> > we can't be free of the crushing heel of M$.
> >
> > Government transactions which you must comply with don't follow
> > *nix [open standards].
> > You are forced to have an "up to date Microsoft compatible system".
> 
> Example program or application?
> 
Real-time PAYE reporting to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs in the
UK. There is a 32-bit Linux version, which I have failed to get working
on either a real 32-bit machine or a VM in 64-bit. And I've run Sid for
a decade. It's certified for a particular Red Hat, and possibly a Suse.

There's other stuff for professional use, such as Microchip's MPLAB
IDE. The most recent versions are Java, which do run on Linux, but
which fail (so far) to compile my most important project, while the old
Windows one works. The OS driver for the PicKit programmers is no longer
supported and was dropped from Debian long ago. I would assume the
Microchip Linux driver works, but I didn't get far enough to find out.

And no, this kind of stuff never runs on Wine/Crossover, or at least
not without a large amount of work which I don't have the time to do.
Last year, when XP was officially buried, I went out and bought a new
laptop specifically to run Windows. Not something I would do lightly.
It was not much more expensive than a version of Windows which is
licensed to run in a VM would be, and again, it invariably turns out
that the specific program I want to use doesn't play nicely with VMs.
People who write hardware drivers put in the absolute minimum amount of
work to make their stuff run on real bare-metal Windows, and it often
doesn't work through Wine or even a VM.

-- 
Joe

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#14938

In article <20150612090431.09a9884a@jresid.jretrading.com>, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 17:25:52 -0400
>Andreas Kohlbach <june15.6.ankman@spamgourmet.net> wrote:
>
>> no.top.post@gmail.com wrote on 11. June 2015:
>> >
>> > we can't be free of the crushing heel of M$.
>> >
>> > Government transactions which you must comply with don't follow
>> > *nix [open standards].
>> > You are forced to have an "up to date Microsoft compatible system".
>> 
>> Example program or application?
>> 
>Real-time PAYE reporting to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs in the
>UK. There is a 32-bit Linux version, which I have failed to get working
>on either a real 32-bit machine or a VM in 64-bit. And I've run Sid for
>a decade. It's certified for a particular Red Hat, and possibly a Suse.

If the govt insists you use their system, seems to me it's their duty to 
provide one that works. :)
Report it as broken ?

(snip)

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#14943

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 17:25:52 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

> no.top.post@gmail.com wrote on 11. June 2015:
>>
>> we can't be free of the crushing heel of M$.
>>
>> Government transactions which you must comply with don't follow *nix
>> [open standards].
>> You are forced to have an "up to date Microsoft compatible system".
> 
> Example program or application?
> 
>> So you just have a dual/multi-bootable system, with the first
>> partitions given to M$.
> 
> You can have Windows on a different than the first partition.
> 
>> That worked OK, until I needed to attatch a fd0 device for some unusual
>> reason.
> 
> Oh fd0? We're talking about the late 1980s/early 1990s and you run
> Windows 3. Finally all you say makes sense.
> 
Apparently not.
Is it difficult to understand that on a PC with the LATEST M$ [for
the FB/twitter mentality kiddies] one may need to investigate some
*UNRELATED* task which needs to connect a fd0, instead of getting
a separate PC?

> [...]
> 
> I guess you have messed up the partition table. (Probably) not even
> Microsoft's fault.

M$ *WANTS* non-M$ users to screw up, hence the concept "fault" can
no be applicable. Can you understand anything?

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#14915

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:42:33 -0400, <no.top.post@gmail.com> wrote:

> we can't be free of the crushing heel of M$.

Turn off secure boot, and don't buy a system where that cannot be done.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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