Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]
Groups > comp.os.linux.misc > #90007 > unrolled thread
| Started by | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-08-18 02:48 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 79 — 11 participants |
Back to article view | Back to comp.os.linux.misc
This discussion starts older than the indexed window; earlier articles aren't shown. The article labeled Started by
below is the oldest one visible, not the original post.
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 22:31 -0400
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:36 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:18 +0100
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:00 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:33 +0100
[OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 19:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 19:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:19 +0000
[OT] On feeding our overlords (was: Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 11:35 +0100
Re: [OT] On feeding our overlords (was: Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:07 +0000
Re: [OT] On feeding our overlords The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:31 +0100
Re: [OT] On feeding our overlords rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 00:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-20 21:57 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:25 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:10 +0000
[OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones (was: Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 11:40 +0100
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:32 +0100
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:06 +0000
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-25 18:44 +0100
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-27 05:13 -0700
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-27 20:44 +0200
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 11:59 +0100
House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 06:34 -0700
Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:21 +0200
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-29 06:42 -0700
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 20:48 +0200
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-29 21:31 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 07:10 -0700
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:57 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 03:27 -0400
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:22 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:59 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 01:50 -0400
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 07:35 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:57 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 18:58 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:56 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 18:52 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-01 23:40 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-02 03:07 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:26 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:25 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:53 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 01:37 -0400
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 07:27 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 13:01 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 18:45 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 01:21 -0400
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 10:50 +0200
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:31 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:30 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:52 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-02 00:37 -0400
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:45 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 22:08 -0400
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 07:16 -0700
Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:43 +0100
Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:49 +0200
Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:07 -0400
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 06:22 -0700
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-27 20:50 +0100
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:21 +0100
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 14:16 +0200
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:03 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 00:50 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:45 -0400
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 03:17 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 01:57 -0400
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 06:20 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:51 -0400
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:58 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:20 -0400
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:19 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:36 +0100
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:47 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:48 +0000
Page 2 of 4 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3 4 Next page →
| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-27 05:13 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones |
| Message-ID | <116p9l7$1evpg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90332 |
On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote: > Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket? Other than IP phones, you mean? But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style keysystems like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very well with a building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack fits perfectly. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-27 20:44 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones |
| Message-ID | <nfbet3Fl2vlU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90680 |
On 2026-08-27 14:13, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote:
>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket?
>
> Other than IP phones, you mean?
>
> But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style keysystems
> like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very well with a
> building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack fits perfectly.
If I understood what you are talking about correctly, the 4 pin analog
phone plugs can go into the 8 pin ethernet plug, cabled to go at 10Mb,
so that it connects to the 2 centre wires that are not connected to the
ethernet hardware, but to the phone hardware. Ie, the strange sorting of
the pins in the ethernet plug7socked is because the 2 centre wires were
used for the phone service. I have seen this setup actually used.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-28 11:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones |
| Message-ID | <116rpnf$28guo$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90691 |
On 27/08/2026 19:44, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-27 14:13, Lars Poulsen wrote: >> On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket? >> >> Other than IP phones, you mean? >> >> But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style >> keysystems like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very well >> with a building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack fits >> perfectly. > > If I understood what you are talking about correctly, the 4 pin analog > phone plugs can go into the 8 pin ethernet plug, cabled to go at 10Mb, > so that it connects to the 2 centre wires that are not connected to the > ethernet hardware, but to the phone hardware. Ie, the strange sorting of > the pins in the ethernet plug7socked is because the 2 centre wires were > used for the phone service. I have seen this setup actually used. > Its standard for traditional 'structured wiring' The same CAT 5 carries phones on different pairs to the original Ethernet. You patch in phone signals from the PABX rather than from an Ethernet switch. A dongle converts from RJ45 to local phone socket I wired my house that way. -- In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone gets full Marx.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-28 06:34 -0700 |
| Subject | House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) |
| Message-ID | <116s2pq$2dcol$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90739 |
On 2026-08-28 03:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 27/08/2026 19:44, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-08-27 14:13, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket? >>> >>> Other than IP phones, you mean? >>> >>> But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style >>> keysystems like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very well >>> with a building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack fits >>> perfectly. >> >> If I understood what you are talking about correctly, the 4 pin analog >> phone plugs can go into the 8 pin ethernet plug, cabled to go at 10Mb, >> so that it connects to the 2 centre wires that are not connected to >> the ethernet hardware, but to the phone hardware. Ie, the strange >> sorting of the pins in the ethernet plug7socked is because the 2 >> centre wires were used for the phone service. I have seen this setup >> actually used. >> > Its standard for traditional 'structured wiring' > > The same CAT 5 carries phones on different pairs to the original Ethernet. > > You patch in phone signals from the PABX rather than from an Ethernet > switch. > A dongle converts from RJ45 to local phone socket > > I wired my house that way. Me too. My house was built in 1951 and had only minimal phone outlets. When I moved in in 1985, TV coax had been pulled into the living room, and I added a couple more coax outlets, and pulled a second (modem) phone line into my home office, which happened to be right next to the telephone demarc box on the outside, so I just drilled a hole right through the wall. In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax) all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That has served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is long gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable service when I switched my Internet connection to fiber. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-29 13:21 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) |
| Message-ID | <nfftl8F3giU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90762 |
On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2026-08-28 03:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 27/08/2026 19:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2026-08-27 14:13, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>> On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket?
>>>>
>>>> Other than IP phones, you mean?
>>>>
>>>> But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style
>>>> keysystems like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very well
>>>> with a building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack fits
>>>> perfectly.
>>>
>>> If I understood what you are talking about correctly, the 4 pin
>>> analog phone plugs can go into the 8 pin ethernet plug, cabled to go
>>> at 10Mb, so that it connects to the 2 centre wires that are not
>>> connected to the ethernet hardware, but to the phone hardware. Ie,
>>> the strange sorting of the pins in the ethernet plug7socked is
>>> because the 2 centre wires were used for the phone service. I have
>>> seen this setup actually used.
>>>
>> Its standard for traditional 'structured wiring'
>>
>> The same CAT 5 carries phones on different pairs to the original
>> Ethernet.
>>
>> You patch in phone signals from the PABX rather than from an Ethernet
>> switch.
>> A dongle converts from RJ45 to local phone socket
>>
>> I wired my house that way.
> Me too. My house was built in 1951 and had only minimal phone outlets.
> When I moved in in 1985, TV coax had been pulled into the living room,
> and I added a couple more coax outlets, and pulled a second (modem)
> phone line into my home office, which happened to be right next to the
> telephone demarc box on the outside, so I just drilled a hole right
> through the wall.
>
> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify
> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a TV,
> and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax)
> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring
> closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That has
> served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is long
> gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable service when
> I switched my Internet connection to fiber.
>
When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the
phone in the ethernet cable.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-29 06:42 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <116unjk$393bn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90818 |
On 2026-08-29 04:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote: ... >> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify >> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a >> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax) >> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring >> closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That has >> served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is long >> gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable service >> when I switched my Internet connection to fiber. >> > > When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the > phone in the ethernet cable. So that was considerably more recent that 2013? This year we discovered a bunch of water in the crawlspace under the bathroom, which had led to dry rot in load-bearing wood beams (girders and floor joists) and fungus/mildew/mold on walls and furniture. By the time we were done we had spent about a half million dollars (plus income taxes as we pulled the money out of the capital pension fund). My savings are significantly diminished, but hopefully my wife's allergies and autoimmune problems will diminish. We replaced the electrical wiring, but did not bother with communications wiring this time; wireless is enough for the TVs. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-29 20:48 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <nfgnrbF3giU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90826 |
On 2026-08-29 15:42, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 2026-08-29 04:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> ...
>>> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify
>>> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a
>>> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax)
>>> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring
>>> closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That
>>> has served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is
>>> long gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable
>>> service when I switched my Internet connection to fiber.
>>>
>>
>> When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the
>> phone in the ethernet cable.
> So that was considerably more recent that 2013?
Probably. When we changed from ADSL to Fibre. And I did not switch at
the start.
> This year we discovered a bunch of water in the crawlspace under the
> bathroom, which had led to dry rot in load-bearing wood beams (girders
> and floor joists) and fungus/mildew/mold on walls and furniture.
>
> By the time we were done we had spent about a half million dollars (plus
> income taxes as we pulled the money out of the capital pension fund).
> My savings are significantly diminished, but hopefully my wife's
> allergies and autoimmune problems will diminish. We replaced the
> electrical wiring, but did not bother with communications wiring this
> time; wireless is enough for the TVs.
With ADSL I had the so to speak "modem" upstairs, by the computer. With
fibre, the company put the router close to the TV downstairs and I was
forced to put a cable to upstairs. The wifi signal was weak upstairs,
and and at that time WiFi was about 20, maybe 40 mbits. And then I
installed a switch upstairs, and an wifi AP.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-29 21:31 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <20260829213104.09b9624e4284c2fe4b4751b3@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #90826 |
On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 06:42:09 -0700 Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: > On 2026-08-29 04:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote: > ... > >> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify > >> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a > >> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax) > >> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring > >> closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That has > >> served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is long > >> gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable service > >> when I switched my Internet connection to fiber. > >> > > > > When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the > > phone in the ethernet cable. > So that was considerably more recent that 2013? > > This year we discovered a bunch of water in the crawlspace under the > bathroom, which had led to dry rot in load-bearing wood beams (girders > and floor joists) and fungus/mildew/mold on walls and furniture. > > By the time we were done we had spent about a half million dollars (plus WIWAL that would have bought a decent sized house. Maybe 2. > income taxes as we pulled the money out of the capital pension fund). > My savings are significantly diminished, but hopefully my wife's > allergies and autoimmune problems will diminish. We replaced the > electrical wiring, but did not bother with communications wiring this > time; wireless is enough for the TVs. > -- > Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-30 07:10 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <1171dks$4ep3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90846 |
On 2026-08-29 13:31, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 06:42:09 -0700 > Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote: > >> On 2026-08-29 04:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote: >> ... >>>> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify >>>> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a >>>> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax) >>>> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring >>>> closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That has >>>> served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is long >>>> gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable service >>>> when I switched my Internet connection to fiber. >>>> >>> >>> When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the >>> phone in the ethernet cable. >> So that was considerably more recent that 2013? >> >> This year we discovered a bunch of water in the crawlspace under the >> bathroom, which had led to dry rot in load-bearing wood beams (girders >> and floor joists) and fungus/mildew/mold on walls and furniture. >> >> By the time we were done we had spent about a half million dollars (plus > > WIWAL that would have bought a decent sized house. Maybe 2. > >> income taxes as we pulled the money out of the capital pension fund). >> My savings are significantly diminished, but hopefully my wife's >> allergies and autoimmune problems will diminish. We replaced the >> electrical wiring, but did not bother with communications wiring this >> time; wireless is enough for the TVs. It might have been simpler to tear down the house and build a new one on the same lot, and not a lot more expensive, but ... that could not have been done in 4 months! Half a block from me, someone bought a decent-looking house for $1.8M, which was at that point the most expensive sale in the neighborhood. Only to immediately apply to tear down the 1100 sqft house and replace it with a 2400 sqft (while retaining the 500 sqft garage in the back that had been converted to an ADU). It has so far been 18 months since the yellow sign alerting neighbors to the permit application went up, and the house is not yet move-in ready, but it is getting close. My brother in Copenhagen and his wife decided their 3-story house was going to be unwieldy as they age, to they sold it, rented an apartment in the bedroom suburbs, bought a teardown half a mile from the old house and built a new house. 10 months later they are living in the new house. The city of Copenhagen actively wants to renew its housing stock and helps people build. The city of Santa Barbara wants to make it as expensive as possible to build; that keeps the riff-raff out. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-30 18:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <nfjcpnFprcuU75@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90903 |
On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 07:10:34 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: > The city of Copenhagen actively wants to renew its housing stock and > helps people build. The city of Santa Barbara wants to make it as > expensive as possible to build; that keeps the riff-raff out. Figures. My brother lived in Lompoc. Santa Barbara and Solvang were on the list of places to take visitors. Santa Maria is where he went for anything not available in Lompoc. It was good for laughs. After the mandatory visit to Streans Wharf we were approached by a, er, sex worker, so some of the riff-raff must have slipped in. We were laughing as we politely declined. I don't know if she gave a senior citizens discount.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-31 03:27 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <Q_SdnfUtHpk6sQj3nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90919 |
On 8/30/26 14:57, rbowman wrote: > On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 07:10:34 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: > >> The city of Copenhagen actively wants to renew its housing stock and >> helps people build. The city of Santa Barbara wants to make it as >> expensive as possible to build; that keeps the riff-raff out. > > Figures. My brother lived in Lompoc. Santa Barbara and Solvang were on the > list of places to take visitors. Santa Maria is where he went for anything > not available in Lompoc. Have a number of relatives in Denmark. SOME, if infrequent communication. For a TIME Denmark was able to insulate itself from the world. This insulation seems to be breaking down. Now TOO linked to the EU, now TOO infiltrated by Islamists. > It was good for laughs. After the mandatory visit to Streans Wharf we were > approached by a, er, sex worker, so some of the riff-raff must have > slipped in. We were laughing as we politely declined. I don't know if she > gave a senior citizens discount. Well, gotta love "sex workers" !!! :-) Basic humanity. However that's NOT all there is anymore. Like it or not, Denmark is being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the General EU experience. "Utopia" didn't, couldn't, last. Believing in that illusion, their own fault. Denmark does not have the resources to DEAL with many of those EU realities. Have encouraged the relatives to BAIL OUT and move to the USA. Most won't/can't alas ......
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-31 12:22 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <1173o5i$s37s$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90945 |
On 31/08/2026 08:27, c186282 wrote: > Have encouraged the relatives to BAIL OUT and > Â move to the USA. > You don't bail out into the middle of a shark infested ocean Even Denmark is better than the USA. > Â Most won't/can't alas ...... -- "Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will let them."
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-31 18:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <nfm19aFtomiU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90957 |
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 12:22:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 31/08/2026 08:27, c186282 wrote: >> Have encouraged the relatives to BAIL OUT and >> Â move to the USA. >> > You don't bail out into the middle of a shark infested ocean > > Even Denmark is better than the USA. A little too flat for my taste. I recently read a series of crime novels my Inger Wolf. It's tangential to the story but the detective is looking for a potential suspect in a mountaineering store, thinking 'what is a mountaineering store doing in a place where the highest point is 560'?' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B8lleh%C3%B8j For some reason I want to read that as 'molehill'. Better than Florida I guess. The answer to her question was the store outfitted people going on vacation in Norway.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-01 01:50 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <WMecnc-yfJsi-gv3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90977 |
On 8/31/26 14:59, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 12:22:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 31/08/2026 08:27, c186282 wrote: >>> Have encouraged the relatives to BAIL OUT and >>> Â move to the USA. >>> >> You don't bail out into the middle of a shark infested ocean >> >> Even Denmark is better than the USA. > > A little too flat for my taste. I recently read a series of crime novels > my Inger Wolf. It's tangential to the story but the detective is looking > for a potential suspect in a mountaineering store, thinking 'what is a > mountaineering store doing in a place where the highest point is 560'?' > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B8lleh%C3%B8j Well, SOME want to climb mountains. So, where do they buy The Stuff ? :-) No mountains IN Denmark, of course - but a few hundred KM south there are MANY. > For some reason I want to read that as 'molehill'. Better than Florida I > guess. The answer to her question was the store outfitted people going on > vacation in Norway. Florida is seriously FLAT. There are 'hills' in the middle but they aren't really hills - just the places between giant sink-holes. Oh, if you ever wanna buy land there - DO have a good corp do a serious seismic/ground-penetrating-radar survey of the property. A lot of the state is 30 feet of dirt over sink-holes that can collapse any time. It's become so bad most can't even GET sink-hole insurance anymore. "Karst topography". HAVE cave-dived there. Note that the underlying 'rock', limestone, looks like Swiss Cheese but without much cheese anymore. Been there, seen it, touched it. Eventually the whole state will have a HUGE inland lake running from the border to below lake Okeechobee with just a 20km dirt rim surrounding it. Not tomorrow, but eventually. Odd note : almost all of Florida is the same rock as Morocco, different from the rest of the USA. An artifact of when the continents split up.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-01 07:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <nfndioFtomiU15@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90986 |
On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 01:50:55 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Florida is seriously FLAT. There are 'hills' in the middle but they > aren't really hills - just the places between giant sink-holes. Years before GPSs I went looking for Britton Hill. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britton_Hill I never did find it. I probably circled it driving around on the Alabama border 65' of prominence hardly makes it stand out. I think it's Palatka where one of the streets has a noticeable hill, probably a sink hole. I spent some time in the Ocala NF. Fun but the trail wasn't very challenging.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-01 12:57 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <1176eji$1o1ba$14@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90986 |
On 01/09/2026 06:50, c186282 wrote: > Well, SOME want to climb mountains. So, where do >  they buy The Stuff ? 🙂 > >  No mountains IN Denmark, of course - but a few >  hundred KM south there are MANY. Not really. Its a long way to the Alps. Norway is closer. -- Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend. "Saki"
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-01 18:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <nfoljbFtomiU24@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91002 |
On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 12:57:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 01/09/2026 06:50, c186282 wrote: >> Well, SOME want to climb mountains. So, where do >>  they buy The Stuff ? 🙂 >> >>  No mountains IN Denmark, of course - but a few hundred KM south >>  there are MANY. > Not really. Its a long way to the Alps. > > Norway is closer. In the story the owner of the mountaineering shop mentions Norway explicitly.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-01 12:56 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <1176ei5$1o1ba$13@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90977 |
On 31/08/2026 19:59, rbowman wrote: >> Even Denmark is better than the USA. > A little too flat for my taste. I recently read a series of crime novels > my Inger Wolf. It's tangential to the story but the detective is looking > for a potential suspect in a mountaineering store, thinking 'what is a > mountaineering store doing in a place where the highest point is 560'?' > Well national boundaries in Europe in the Shengen area carry about as much weight as a US state boundary. Or used to. They are being closed right now to stem the flow of illegal migrants > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B8lleh%C3%B8j > > For some reason I want to read that as 'molehill'. Better than Florida I > guess. The answer to her question was the store outfitted people going on > vacation in Norway. I am surprised that Denmark has a hill that high, It is just another part of the great soggy mass that comprises NE Europe and the E coast of Britain. I live on the highest point of E Anglia for about 50 miles. All of 300' ASL... -- "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently. This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and all women"
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-01 18:52 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <nfol82FtomiU23@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91001 |
On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 12:56:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > I live on the highest point of E Anglia for about 50 miles. All of 300' > ASL... I'm 10 times further from sea level. Strictly by elevation Ben Nevis would be considered a speed bump.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-01 23:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <NnJlS.1623$oQ_6.748@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #91030 |
On 2026-09-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 12:56:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> I live on the highest point of E Anglia for about 50 miles. All of 300' >> ASL... > > I'm 10 times further from sea level. Strictly by elevation Ben Nevis would > be considered a speed bump. I'm basically at sea level 5 miles from salt water and have an assortment of 7000-foot peaks within 10 miles or so. Lots of fjords... -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
Page 2 of 4 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3 4 Next page →
Back to top | Article view | comp.os.linux.misc
csiph-web