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| First post | 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000 |
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Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 22:31 -0400
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:36 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:18 +0100
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:00 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:33 +0100
[OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 19:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 19:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:19 +0000
[OT] On feeding our overlords (was: Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 11:35 +0100
Re: [OT] On feeding our overlords (was: Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:07 +0000
Re: [OT] On feeding our overlords The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:31 +0100
Re: [OT] On feeding our overlords rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 00:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-20 21:57 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:25 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:10 +0000
[OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones (was: Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 11:40 +0100
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:32 +0100
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:06 +0000
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-25 18:44 +0100
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-27 05:13 -0700
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-27 20:44 +0200
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 11:59 +0100
House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 06:34 -0700
Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:21 +0200
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-29 06:42 -0700
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 20:48 +0200
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-29 21:31 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 07:10 -0700
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:57 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 03:27 -0400
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:22 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:59 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 01:50 -0400
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 07:35 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:57 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 18:58 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:56 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 18:52 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-01 23:40 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-02 03:07 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 18:53 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 01:37 -0400
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 07:27 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 13:01 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 18:45 +0000
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:52 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:45 +0100
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 22:08 -0400
Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 07:16 -0700
Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:43 +0100
Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:49 +0200
Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:07 -0400
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 06:22 -0700
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-27 20:50 +0100
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:21 +0100
Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 14:16 +0200
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 13:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:03 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 00:50 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:45 -0400
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 03:17 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 01:57 -0400
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 06:20 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:51 -0400
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:58 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:20 -0400
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:19 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:36 +0100
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:47 +0000
Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:48 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 03:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <nfpi81FtomiU32@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91043 |
On Tue, 01 Sep 2026 23:40:29 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2026-09-01, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 12:56:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> I live on the highest point of E Anglia for about 50 miles. All of >>> 300' >>> ASL... >> >> I'm 10 times further from sea level. Strictly by elevation Ben Nevis >> would be considered a speed bump. > > I'm basically at sea level 5 miles from salt water and have an > assortment of 7000-foot peaks within 10 miles or so. Lots of fjords... Ah, heaven! When I lived in New Hampshire the ocean proper was about 13 miles away. The Great Bay is a tidal estuary and was a bit closer. It was a fascinating place. I used to catch and release horseshoe crabs just to study one of the more successful designs. The White Mountains were about 60 miles north. Mt. Washington is only 6,288' but I think it's the 2nd highest east of the Mississippi. Now I have plenty of mountains but no ocean. However there is that seismic activity over on the west. One can hope.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-31 18:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <nfm0t2FtomiU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90945 |
On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 03:27:06 -0400, c186282 wrote: > For a TIME Denmark was able to insulate > itself from the world. This insulation seems to be breaking down. Now > TOO linked to the EU, now TOO infiltrated by Islamists. Denmark is often criticized for its approach to immigration. 'The bridge is that way. Keep moving'. > Like it or not, Denmark is being dragged, kicking and screaming, into > the General EU experience. "Utopia" didn't, couldn't, last. > Believing in that illusion, their own fault. Bait'n'switch. Denmark reluctantly joined the EU to preserve their trade with Britain. Then Britain left. At least Denmark got to keep the krone. On a related not Iceland just had a referendum and put the negotiations with the EU on hold. It's been on hold since 2009.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 01:37 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <KomcnSqtk4o3-Qv3nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90976 |
On 8/31/26 14:53, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 03:27:06 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> For a TIME Denmark was able to insulate >> itself from the world. This insulation seems to be breaking down. Now >> TOO linked to the EU, now TOO infiltrated by Islamists. > > Denmark is often criticized for its approach to immigration. 'The bridge > is that way. Keep moving'. Have some relatives there. They report that things do NOT seem to be going so well anymore. The govt is still selling the "Everything Is Sunny" shit. Islamists. Russia. Biker gangs tearing things up. Things are NOT sunny. >> Like it or not, Denmark is being dragged, kicking and screaming, into >> the General EU experience. "Utopia" didn't, couldn't, last. >> Believing in that illusion, their own fault. > > Bait'n'switch. Denmark reluctantly joined the EU to preserve their trade > with Britain. Then Britain left. At least Denmark got to keep the krone. > > On a related not Iceland just had a referendum and put the negotiations > with the EU on hold. It's been on hold since 2009. Denmark is basically a Good Place ... but it has made some BAD. oft 'PC', decisions and is now suffering. It will get worse before it, maybe, gets better.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 07:27 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <nfnd2hFtomiU14@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90985 |
On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 01:37:25 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Denmark is basically a Good Place ... but it has made some BAD. oft > 'PC', decisions and is now suffering. It will get worse before it, > maybe, gets better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mette_Frederiksen#Immigration Lately Denmark has soured a bit on Ukrainians. https://www.globalresearch.ca/denmark-stop-considering-all-ukrainians- refugees/5937933 Diversity and social welfare don't work well together.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 13:01 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <1176er7$1o1ba$15@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90985 |
On 01/09/2026 06:37, c186282 wrote: > Denmark is basically a Good Place ... but it has made > some BAD. oft 'PC', decisions and is now suffering. > It will get worse before it, maybe, gets better. Its just N Germany with a funny accent. It is boring as fuck. I remember being over there for a few weeks and feeling something wrong about the place, then we took a ferry to Sweden and I realised as we stepped off that I was seeing something I had never seen in Denmark. A boy and a girl, holding hands... It's now just a giant windfarm where no one wants to live, dependent on Scandinavian hydropower when the wind drops -- Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend. "Saki"
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 18:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <nfokpqFtomiU22@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #91003 |
On Tue, 1 Sep 2026 13:01:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Its just N Germany with a funny accent. A very funny accent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqgRC5sfCaQ 'Bron' is the joint Swedish/Danish crime series 'The Bridge' was based on. The Swedish members of the cast had quite a bit to say about the Danes. The part of Germany my people came from made it into a humorous PR campaign. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden-W%C3%BCrttemberg#/media/File:Wirkoennenalles.svg>
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 12:52 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <1176e9h$1o1ba$12@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90976 |
On 31/08/2026 19:53, rbowman wrote: > On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 03:27:06 -0400, c186282 wrote: > >> For a TIME Denmark was able to insulate >> itself from the world. This insulation seems to be breaking down. Now >> TOO linked to the EU, now TOO infiltrated by Islamists. > > Denmark is often criticized for its approach to immigration. 'The bridge > is that way. Keep moving'. > >> Like it or not, Denmark is being dragged, kicking and screaming, into >> the General EU experience. "Utopia" didn't, couldn't, last. >> Believing in that illusion, their own fault. > > Bait'n'switch. Denmark reluctantly joined the EU to preserve their trade > with Britain. Then Britain left. At least Denmark got to keep the krone. > > On a related not Iceland just had a referendum and put the negotiations > with the EU on hold. It's been on hold since 2009. > > > Indeed. Norway Sweden Iceland and Finland and Denmark have all been ambiguous about the EU. It's the nations that have been run by fascist dictators in the past that seem temperamentally inclined to giving away their freedoms ... -- “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles à M. Claparede, Professeur de Théologie à Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de M. de Voltaire
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 22:45 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <116vjtl$3j6fu$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90826 |
On 29/08/2026 14:42, Lars Poulsen wrote: > By the time we were done we had spent about a half million dollars (plus > income taxes as we pulled the money out of the capital pension fund). > My savings are significantly diminished, but hopefully my wife's > allergies and autoimmune problems will diminish. My experiences say yes. Also consider a HEPA air filtration unit in the bedroom -- “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” —Soren Kierkegaard
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 22:08 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <rNSdnesk36UZDQ73nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90826 |
On 8/29/26 09:42, Lars Poulsen wrote: > On 2026-08-29 04:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote: > ... >>> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify >>> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a >>> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax) >>> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring >>> closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That >>> has served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is >>> long gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable >>> service when I switched my Internet connection to fiber. >>> >> >> When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the >> phone in the ethernet cable. > So that was considerably more recent that 2013? > > This year we discovered a bunch of water in the crawlspace under the > bathroom, which had led to dry rot in load-bearing wood beams (girders > and floor joists) and fungus/mildew/mold on walls and furniture. > > By the time we were done we had spent about a half million dollars (plus > income taxes as we pulled the money out of the capital pension fund). > My savings are significantly diminished, but hopefully my wife's > allergies and autoimmune problems will diminish. We replaced the > electrical wiring, but did not bother with communications wiring this > time; wireless is enough for the TVs. Umm ... for half a mil you could have built an entirely NEW house, a pretty decent one. Suggest pre-fab concrete sections - quick to assemble on site.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 07:16 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring ... and other house stuff |
| Message-ID | <1171dvf$4hjo$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90877 |
On 2026-08-29 19:08, c186282 wrote: > On 8/29/26 09:42, Lars Poulsen wrote: >> On 2026-08-29 04:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote: >> ... >>>> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify >>>> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a >>>> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the >>>> coax) >>>> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my >>>> wiring closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. >>>> That has served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone >>>> service is long gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax >>>> cable service when I switched my Internet connection to fiber. >>>> >>> >>> When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the >>> phone in the ethernet cable. >> So that was considerably more recent that 2013? >> >> This year we discovered a bunch of water in the crawlspace under the >> bathroom, which had led to dry rot in load-bearing wood beams (girders >> and floor joists) and fungus/mildew/mold on walls and furniture. >> >> By the time we were done we had spent about a half million dollars >> (plus income taxes as we pulled the money out of the capital pension >> fund). >> My savings are significantly diminished, but hopefully my wife's >> allergies and autoimmune problems will diminish. We replaced the >> electrical wiring, but did not bother with communications wiring this >> time; wireless is enough for the TVs. > > > Umm ... for half a mil you could have built > an entirely NEW house, a pretty decent one. > > Suggest pre-fab concrete sections - quick to > assemble on site. Not in the City of Santa Barbara. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 22:43 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) |
| Message-ID | <116vjq9$3j6fu$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90818 |
On 29/08/2026 12:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote: >> On 2026-08-28 03:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 27/08/2026 19:44, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-08-27 14:13, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>>> On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>>>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket? >>>>> >>>>> Other than IP phones, you mean? >>>>> >>>>> But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style >>>>> keysystems like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very >>>>> well with a building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack >>>>> fits perfectly. >>>> >>>> If I understood what you are talking about correctly, the 4 pin >>>> analog phone plugs can go into the 8 pin ethernet plug, cabled to go >>>> at 10Mb, so that it connects to the 2 centre wires that are not >>>> connected to the ethernet hardware, but to the phone hardware. Ie, >>>> the strange sorting of the pins in the ethernet plug7socked is >>>> because the 2 centre wires were used for the phone service. I have >>>> seen this setup actually used. >>>> >>> Its standard for traditional 'structured wiring' >>> >>> The same CAT 5 carries phones on different pairs to the original >>> Ethernet. >>> >>> You patch in phone signals from the PABX rather than from an Ethernet >>> switch. >>> A dongle converts from RJ45 to local phone socket >>> >>> I wired my house that way. >> Me too. My house was built in 1951 and had only minimal phone outlets. >> When I moved in in 1985, TV coax had been pulled into the living room, >> and I added a couple more coax outlets, and pulled a second (modem) >> phone line into my home office, which happened to be right next to the >> telephone demarc box on the outside, so I just drilled a hole right >> through the wall. >> >> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify >> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a >> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax) >> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring >> closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That has >> served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is long >> gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable service >> when I switched my Internet connection to fiber. >> > > When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the > phone in the ethernet cable. > But you could out it in AN ethernet cable, just not one being used for Ethernet! -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-30 13:49 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) |
| Message-ID | <nfijltF3glU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90850 |
On 2026-08-29 23:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/08/2026 12:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>> On 2026-08-28 03:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 27/08/2026 19:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2026-08-27 14:13, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>>>>> On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>>>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than IP phones, you mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style
>>>>>> keysystems like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very
>>>>>> well with a building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack
>>>>>> fits perfectly.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I understood what you are talking about correctly, the 4 pin
>>>>> analog phone plugs can go into the 8 pin ethernet plug, cabled to
>>>>> go at 10Mb, so that it connects to the 2 centre wires that are not
>>>>> connected to the ethernet hardware, but to the phone hardware. Ie,
>>>>> the strange sorting of the pins in the ethernet plug7socked is
>>>>> because the 2 centre wires were used for the phone service. I have
>>>>> seen this setup actually used.
>>>>>
>>>> Its standard for traditional 'structured wiring'
>>>>
>>>> The same CAT 5 carries phones on different pairs to the original
>>>> Ethernet.
>>>>
>>>> You patch in phone signals from the PABX rather than from an
>>>> Ethernet switch.
>>>> A dongle converts from RJ45 to local phone socket
>>>>
>>>> I wired my house that way.
>>> Me too. My house was built in 1951 and had only minimal phone
>>> outlets. When I moved in in 1985, TV coax had been pulled into the
>>> living room, and I added a couple more coax outlets, and pulled a
>>> second (modem) phone line into my home office, which happened to be
>>> right next to the telephone demarc box on the outside, so I just
>>> drilled a hole right through the wall.
>>>
>>> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify
>>> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a
>>> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the coax)
>>> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my wiring
>>> closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. That
>>> has served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone service is
>>> long gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax cable
>>> service when I switched my Internet connection to fiber.
>>>
>>
>> When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the
>> phone in the ethernet cable.
>>
> But you could out it in AN ethernet cable, just not one being used for
> Ethernet!
I put the ethernet (I can't see the type, it was painted over, but cat 5
or 6) and another cable specific for phone, which is not used.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-31 01:07 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: House Wiring (Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones) |
| Message-ID | <Z7ycnRGes6xolgj3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90895 |
On 8/30/26 07:49, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-29 23:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 29/08/2026 12:21, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-08-28 15:34, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>> On 2026-08-28 03:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 27/08/2026 19:44, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>>>>> On 2026-08-27 14:13, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>>>>>> On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote: >>>>>>>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Other than IP phones, you mean? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style >>>>>>> keysystems like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very >>>>>>> well with a building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack >>>>>>> fits perfectly. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I understood what you are talking about correctly, the 4 pin >>>>>> analog phone plugs can go into the 8 pin ethernet plug, cabled to >>>>>> go at 10Mb, so that it connects to the 2 centre wires that are not >>>>>> connected to the ethernet hardware, but to the phone hardware. Ie, >>>>>> the strange sorting of the pins in the ethernet plug7socked is >>>>>> because the 2 centre wires were used for the phone service. I have >>>>>> seen this setup actually used. >>>>>> >>>>> Its standard for traditional 'structured wiring' >>>>> >>>>> The same CAT 5 carries phones on different pairs to the original >>>>> Ethernet. >>>>> >>>>> You patch in phone signals from the PABX rather than from an >>>>> Ethernet switch. >>>>> A dongle converts from RJ45 to local phone socket >>>>> >>>>> I wired my house that way. >>>> Me too. My house was built in 1951 and had only minimal phone >>>> outlets. When I moved in in 1985, TV coax had been pulled into the >>>> living room, and I added a couple more coax outlets, and pulled a >>>> second (modem) phone line into my home office, which happened to be >>>> right next to the telephone demarc box on the outside, so I just >>>> drilled a hole right through the wall. >>>> >>>> In 2013, I rebuilt the kitchen, and took the opportunity to identify >>>> every spot where one might want to put a computer, a telephone or a >>>> TV, and each got two RJ45s and a coax socket (well, only 6 got the >>>> coax) >>>> all wired to the bottom of a back hall closet, which became my >>>> wiring closet, and home to the cable modem and root ethernet switch. >>>> That has served me well. Of course, the landline POTS telephone >>>> service is long gone, and it's been a while since I dropped the coax >>>> cable service when I switched my Internet connection to fiber. >>>> >>> >>> When I wired my house, I did it for gigabit, so no, I did not put the >>> phone in the ethernet cable. >>> >> But you could out it in AN ethernet cable, just not one being used for >> Ethernet! > > I put the ethernet (I can't see the type, it was painted over, but cat 5 > or 6) and another cable specific for phone, which is not used. Pretty much ALL "phone" will work perfectly over Cat-3, often Cat-2. It's just a lower-speed tech. No, NOT pissing on it at all. HAS it's place. Never easily surrender last-gen tech - it's usually more robust. Traditional "phone" on Ethernet ... our old provider did that, but only on the wiring level. It was not a TCP/IP replacement. Normal PBX. NOW, different. Also "more vulnerable" Just Because.
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| From | Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 06:22 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones |
| Message-ID | <116s22h$2ct9q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90691 |
On 2026-08-27 11:44, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-27 14:13, Lars Poulsen wrote: >> On 2026-08-22 03:40, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket? >> >> Other than IP phones, you mean? >> >> But the 6P4C contacts on "conventional" phones and ISDN-style >> keysystems like the NorStar and Panasonic PBX systems work very well >> with a building wired for Ethernet. A 6P plug in an 8P jack fits >> perfectly. > > If I understood what you are talking about correctly, the 4 pin analog > phone plugs can go into the 8 pin ethernet plug, cabled to go at 10Mb, > so that it connects to the 2 centre wires that are not connected to the > ethernet hardware, but to the phone hardware. Ie, the strange sorting of > the pins in the ethernet plug7socked is because the 2 centre wires were > used for the phone service. I have seen this setup actually used. Two points: - the "RJ-11" phone connector is 6P4C. Although POTS only use 2 of the 4 wires; the 4P2C connector is used for the handset cord. - when using the 4-pair wiring for telephones, you do not connect the back end (in the closet) to an ethernet switch. Back in 2003 when I wired our business office before we moved in, I did run one 4-pair cable to each desk, then split it the wall box with the two ethernet pairs going to an RJ45 jack and the two telephone pairs going to an RJ11. The back end was wired to a "66" style punch down block. From there I drew the telephone wires to an adjacent "66" block that connected to the PBX, while the ethernet pairs were bridged to the right hand side of the block, where a fairly standard "octopus" cable split it out into short (6 ft) RJ45 style cables draped from the wall panel across the 19" rack to the core 10/100 ethernet switches. Ten years later, I began to wish we had spent the money to run two cables with RJ45 from the desk to a patch panel. Would have made it so much easier when we switched from pseudo-ISDN to IP telephones; we could then have connected the cubicles separately to the testbenches when we no longer needed the telephone wires. But we were poor when we set up the shop, so we had to be cheap. I did get a lot of praise for the wiring. Not from my coworkers, who had no idea what I was doing, but from visitors who recognized the structure. -- Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-27 20:50 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones |
| Message-ID | <nfbiksF9t91U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90680 |
Lars Poulsen wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: > >> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket? > > Other than IP phones, you mean? Well, the subject specifically mentions mobiles
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 00:21 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones |
| Message-ID | <116qgpc$1s6cu$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90694 |
On 2026-08-27, Andy Burns wrote: > Lars Poulsen wrote: > >> Nuno Silva wrote: >> >> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket? >> >> Other than IP phones, you mean? > Well, the subject specifically mentions mobiles I should have mentioned it in the body as well. Meanwhile in the topic of non-mobile phones: at one point several years ago I did see some model of desk phone which was actually a cell phone (as in, it had a mini-SIM slot and operated over GSM). Didn't see it in action, though. -- Nuno Silva
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-08-29 14:16 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] 10\+BASE-T on mobile phones |
| Message-ID | <nfg0s2F3giU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90700 |
On 2026-08-28 01:21, Nuno Silva wrote:
> On 2026-08-27, Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>
>>> Nuno Silva wrote:
>>>>> Are there phone models that somehow feature an 8P8C socket?
>>>
>>> Other than IP phones, you mean?
>> Well, the subject specifically mentions mobiles
>
> I should have mentioned it in the body as well.
>
>
> Meanwhile in the topic of non-mobile phones: at one point several years
> ago I did see some model of desk phone which was actually a cell phone
> (as in, it had a mini-SIM slot and operated over GSM). Didn't see it in
> action, though.
>
An employer of mine installed small wall boxes, that had a SIM inside
and would connect via GSM, while providing an plain RJ11 to connect a
standard phone to it. An ISP sold them. Often the idea would be, for
business, to make calls to landlines using a landline, and calls to
mobiles using the GSM terminal, because of the pricing made cheaper
calling mobiles from mobiles.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 13:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture |
| Message-ID | <116c4op$143jr$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90321 |
On 22/08/2026 05:10, Rich wrote: > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 21/08/2026 02:57, c186282 wrote: >>> My easiest/cheapest solution was wifi extenders/repeaters. >>> Many make them, they DO work and aren't very hard to set up. >>> Increase your range, 'get around corners'. Not as fast >>> as Cat-6, but still very useful. If you have multiple >>> servers, bunch them together and, if needed, hardwire >>> THOSE together. >> >> Easiest cheapest is those sending data through your household mains. >> They are not reliable though >> >> Wifi is OK-ish Fairly reliable if short range,and a bit insecure. CAT5 >> goes further, CAT6 is marginal if you want top speeds - its only specced >> for a few metres. >> >> By all means wire with CAT6 but don't expect it to be any better than CAT5 >> >> >> Problems with wifi are : >> Performance degrades with many connections. >> Performance degrades with distance > > And, in a dense urban area, performance degrades with the number of > neighbors also running their own WiFi near yours. > Sorry. I forgot that. My nearest neighbours are outside air rifle range >> Its not as fast as gigabit >> Someone outside the house with a laptop can listen in to some extent, >> and if they get your password... >> >> I use wifi for devices that are simply too hard to hard wire or are >> portable. But te main network is CAT5 > > This is my method as well. All the fixed equipment is ethernet > connected. And, as well, /some/ of the portable equipment is also > ethernet connected when not being "ported around" (laptop, when it is > not being carried around is also connected to a CAT5 cable). The only > items that stay WiFi only are those that have no ethernet jacks (cell > phones). Well I have PI zero-Ws scattered in places that are never places I would have thought I needed a network back in the 2000s when I cabled this place. So I have three ZERO-Ws running WiFi, plus the IdiotPhone™ and the laptop. -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 19:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture |
| Message-ID | <neua33F5rktU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90335 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 13:30:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Sorry. I forgot that. My nearest neighbours are outside air rifle range You have to upgrade from your Daisy Red Ryder. Some of the PCP rifles have impressive specs. Nothing new. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girardoni_air_rifle The savages were impressed by Lewis' toy. Despite the expedition's many encounters with different tribes they only killed two Blackfeet who were trying to steal their horses and guns. The Blackfeet have a different story. It might be more plausible if the Blackfeet didn't have a long history of robbing and killing their neighbors.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 23:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Re: The best Wi-Fi upgrade I made wasn't a new router, it was moving one piece of furniture |
| Message-ID | <116d7u4$1gc75$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90347 |
On 22/08/2026 20:03, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 13:30:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Sorry. I forgot that. My nearest neighbours are outside air rifle range > > You have to upgrade from your Daisy Red Ryder. Some of the PCP rifles have > impressive specs. Nothing new. > UK here Bob. cant own anything with much muzzle velocity without a licence. I've just got an old Weihrauch .22 It will kill a rabbit at 50 yards once in a blue moon when you get the drop juts right and the wind isn;t blowing https://www.justairguns.co.uk/air-rifles/weihrauch-air-rifles/ The nearest Neighbors are about 300 yards down the hill, 500 yards up the hill or a couple of miles cross country either side But the doctor is only a mile away, > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girardoni_air_rifle > > The savages were impressed by Lewis' toy. Despite the expedition's many > encounters with different tribes they only killed two Blackfeet who were > trying to steal their horses and guns. The Blackfeet have a different > story. It might be more plausible if the Blackfeet didn't have a long > history of robbing and killing their neighbors. > Noble savages were all the rage in the Romantic Period. In Rwanda there are two tribes that slaughtered each other - Hutu and Tutsi But one thing united them, their hatred of the Twa - the hunter gatherer pygmies from the rain forest who would wander into every town and village and 'gather' anything that wasn't nailed down. -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote.
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