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| Started by | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| First post | 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-08-19 22:21 -0400 |
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What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 01:59 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 06:05 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-18 08:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-18 11:33 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:16 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:32 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:05 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:23 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:53 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:31 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:10 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Anton Antimo <anton@safunu.org> - 2026-08-20 10:30 -0300
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:01 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:24 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 22:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 04:02 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 06:48 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-22 16:15 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-23 21:52 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 01:07 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-24 11:15 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-24 19:26 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:45 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:39 +0000
Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-25 06:48 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 15:10 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-26 18:04 -0700
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:23 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:09 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:15 -0400
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 03:21 +0000
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:42 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:15 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:40 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:37 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:13 +0000
Re: Power lines "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-29 21:28 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:23 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:47 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:20 +0100
Re: Power lines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:43 +0200
Re: Power lines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-30 15:49 +0000
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:40 +0000
Re: Power lines "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:23 +0200
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:36 +0000
Re: Power lines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-31 15:50 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:09 +0100
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:06 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 14:19 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 15:25 +0100
Re: Power lines c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:24 -0400
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:18 +0100
Re: Power lines Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-28 05:56 -0700
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 15:33 +0100
Re: Power lines Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:06 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:30 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:51 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:39 +0100
Re: Power lines rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:26 +0000
Re: Power lines The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:25 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 01:46 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:50 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 18:43 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 10:54 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 19:11 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> - 2026-08-27 12:57 -0600
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:55 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:25 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 00:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:45 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-28 16:13 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 19:38 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:10 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:55 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 23:34 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-26 04:27 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 08:57 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-27 06:30 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 13:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:22 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 13:16 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 18:36 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 19:42 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:28 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 20:04 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 23:18 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:50 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 18:03 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 00:43 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:21 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:33 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 09:22 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 13:01 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 03:00 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:47 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 07:55 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:08 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:30 +0000
[OT] Russian Federation, wars (was: Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 10:04 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-30 10:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:13 +0500
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 18:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Russian Federation, wars "Stanislav N. aka pztrn" <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> - 2026-08-30 16:47 +0500
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:58 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-29 10:11 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:20 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 23:06 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-30 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 19:28 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 02:15 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:55 +0100
Salmonella (Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 09:28 -0700
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 19:27 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 18:31 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:30 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:43 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:57 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:35 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 02:50 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:52 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:47 +0200
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:37 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-31 15:50 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:49 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-27 16:32 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:44 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-08-19 12:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:03 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:24 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 22:07 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 03:42 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 02:14 -0400
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:13 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 14:14 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:27 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 16:57 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:02 +0100
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 13:54 +0000
Re: What's Wrong With LinuxMint ? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-19 22:21 -0400
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 10:30 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Power lines |
| Message-ID | <116u8rp$3345j$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90767 |
On 28/08/2026 17:06, Robert Riches wrote: >> Corona discharge does not happen INSIDE a solid insulator . > At least not in any solid insulator that's going to continue to > be a solid insulator for an appreciable amount of time after that > point. š Yup. Had the 11kv under my frontage dug up and spliced. Heavy trucks use the verge as part of the road to pass. They had driven a flint through the insulation of one phase. Bad installation. Supposed to be laid in sand -- āPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.ā ā Groucho Marx
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 18:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Power lines |
| Message-ID | <nfe3mbFprcuU40@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90760 |
On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 05:56:08 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: > If the powerline is overhead: I would not worry about these sounds. > If it is underground, I would not walk on it if it is crackling. > Especially in wet weather! I never worried about the sound effects. Walking under a power line isn't the most scenic hike but the power companies clear a swath under the line that's often the path of least resistance. I don't envy those crews. Often the line runs from ridge to ridge and the slopes from the canyon it crosses are steep.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 10:39 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Power lines |
| Message-ID | <116u9ck$3345j$13@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90777 |
On 28/08/2026 19:51, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 05:56:08 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote: > >> If the powerline is overhead: I would not worry about these sounds. >> If it is underground, I would not walk on it if it is crackling. >> Especially in wet weather! > > I never worried about the sound effects. Walking under a power line isn't > the most scenic hike but the power companies clear a swath under the line > that's often the path of least resistance. > > I don't envy those crews. Often the line runs from ridge to ridge and the > slopes from the canyon it crosses are steep. The local 11KV overhead and the local trees are having intercourse. They are going to cut the power in order to emasculate the trees, next month. -- "If you donāt read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 20:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Power lines |
| Message-ID | <nfgtiuFprcuU55@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90816 |
On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:39:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > The local 11KV overhead and the local trees are having intercourse. They > are going to cut the power in order to emasculate the trees, next month. The tree in my yard gets a haircut every few years. For some reason it's asymmetrical like it wants to reach out and get it one with the power pole. On forested state or federal lands where there's nobody around to complain they take a more direct approach and prune the tree back to 6" off the ground. It gives them a chance for some artwork too. https://www.oregonhikers.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24125
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 23:25 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Power lines |
| Message-ID | <116vm95$3j6fu$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90842 |
On 29/08/2026 21:26, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:39:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> The local 11KV overhead and the local trees are having intercourse. They >> are going to cut the power in order to emasculate the trees, next month. > > The tree in my yard gets a haircut every few years. For some reason it's > asymmetrical like it wants to reach out and get it one with the power > pole. > > On forested state or federal lands where there's nobody around to complain > they take a more direct approach and prune the tree back to 6" off the > ground. It gives them a chance for some artwork too. > > https://www.oregonhikers.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24125 > LOL the first reply has that right. It increases water and hence rot penetration -- In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act. - George Orwell
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 01:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <UaqcnZ85f_vPsRD3nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90448 |
On 8/24/26 06:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/08/2026 02:07, rbowman wrote: >> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 21:52:35 +0000, vallor wrote: >> >>> At Sat, 22 Aug 2026 16:15:58 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 04:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The problem there is often the need for "friendly neighbours".Ā With >>>>>> private property rights what they are in the USA, "fibreing up your >>>>>> own area" can become a morass of needing multitudes of legal >>>>>> easements in order to run the "Ditch Witch" around fibreing up the >>>>>> area.Ā That, or the "Ditch Witch" is restricted to burying only >>>>>> alongside the state/county roads, which can still leave the terminus >>>>>> of that fibre a good distance from the homes that are on the other >>>>>> ends of all the private roads that turn off the few state or county >>>>>> roads. >>>>> >>>>> As an added bonus an irrigation ditch runs along the county road with >>>>> many homes on the far side. It passes under the driveways in a >>>>> culvert. That would add more expense. >>>> >>>> Yep, indeed.Ā And likely three different additional permits, five >>>> seperate inspections, and an environmental impact statement regarding >>>> impacts on the water in the ditch from Ditch Witching under the >>>> irrigation ditch to wire up the homes. >>> >>> FFS, the way to do this is aerial fiber on power poles. >>> >>> (Power poles go everywhere.) >> >> That would seem feasible but they certainly do a lot of digging to lay >> fiber, at least the thick orange trunk lines. >> > > The trouble with overhead anything is that it is extremely vulnerable to > weather. > Although my part of the local 11kV ring is underground other parts are > not and tree damage to the lines results in more than a few power cuts > every year. > > It actually costs more than undergrounding would, but there is no > capitall budget to fix it. I live where there can be severe storms. Overhead lines get shredded, sometimes the poles too. Underground, well, that's a Major Investment by the telcoms. Cable net, it will get shredded too and they're even slower than the telcoms to fix shit. DID buy a decent over-air HDTV antenna - can get about 25 stations (most SHIT) but CAN get 'em. Was in a place where there were TWO hurricanes within about three weeks - a cat-2 and then a cat-3. Did HUGE long-lasting damage. Couldn't even buy gasoline for about three weeks unless you paid cash. Others have experienced even worse - the more recent debacle in the Carolina's and vicinity a good example of near total infrastructure collapse. Got LOTS of weird shit under my old property - so directional drilling might do major damage. In THEORY, the best fixes now are StarLink and 5-G internet. The phone towers can/will go down, but they will be amongst the first things fixed. StarLink - been looking at it quite a bit - but in my case I'd have to build a custom frame/holder from some kind of bad-ass wood and solid asym 4-point mount to a concrete wall (envision a kinda shallow "wedge" setup). No 'perfect' solutions. Hmmmm ... remember people got roof repair started after hurricane #1 ... then it was all ripped away by hurricane #2 - and their insurance companies suddenly would not pay. GoogleEarth showed large quantities of "blue tarp" roofs there for YEARS :-) BUT, Laura Bush DID show up to distribute water bottles and MREs ! MREs ... you CAN eat 'em, but really don't WANNA :-) Mil MRE's are SUPER high SALT too - meant for 20 year old soldiers on aggressive maneuvers. If you are over 60 that much salt might put you in the hospital with kidney or heart failure. (some of the 3rd party stuff, "Mountain House" and such, IS better - MREs and/or dehydrated. Bought right when the Covid disaster was starting, Just In Case. Probably still "edible", but very STALE) Face it, the USA is barely set to deal with major environmental disasters better than yer average 3rd-world shithole. Recent EU news suggests that NOBODY is. Shredded housing, shredded power distribution, shredded comms ... yer ON YER OWN ! The proverbial "safety net" is 90+ percent ILLUSION. Oh, weirdest experience from those double hurricanes, driving down main/secondary roads. 10-foot high piles of EVERYTHING in people's houses taken to the roadside, like driving in a surreal tunnel. Storms, quakes, fires, CAN ruin EVERYTHING in a moment and mostly YOU are gonna be on the hook for it all. Now, most in Florida, the Carolina's, Texas, are having to DROP storm insurance. TOO TOO expensive. Saw in the news that even the MAYOR of Palm Beach FL dropped his ! The 1950s/60s insurance equation is no good anymore. Back then everything was GROWTH - now, at best, it's just "holding ground" - usually worse.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 11:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116js10$3l7js$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90487 |
On 25/08/2026 06:46, c186282 wrote: > Face it, the USA is barely set to deal with major > Ā environmental disasters better than yer average > Ā 3rd-world shithole. Recent EU news suggests that > Ā NOBODY is. Shredded housing, shredded power > Ā distribution, shredded comms ... yer ON YER OWN ! > Ā The proverbial "safety net" is 90+ percent ILLUSION. Cost benefit says you don't prepare for 1000 year events, you just pay insurance. Weather is very weird this year. Big El NiƱo. Only two named Atlantic storms so far. Expect the unexpected. Flash Floods in Utah,and forest fires apparently. Stock up on cans of pork and beans and fresh water -- "I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently. This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and all women"
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-25 18:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nf662aF5rktU48@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90513 |
On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:50:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 25/08/2026 06:46, c186282 wrote: >> Face it, the USA is barely set to deal with major >> Ā environmental disasters better than yer average 3rd-world shithole. >> Ā Recent EU news suggests that NOBODY is. Shredded housing, shredded >> Ā power distribution, shredded comms ... yer ON YER OWN ! The >> Ā proverbial "safety net" is 90+ percent ILLUSION. > > Cost benefit says you don't prepare for 1000 year events, you just pay > insurance. One year in the '90s Arizona found out what '100 year flood plain' means. Not a good idea to build in Rio Salada even though it hasn't been a rio in recent memory.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-26 04:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ZfqcnW9t_dSYAhP3nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90555 |
On 8/25/26 14:43, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:50:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 25/08/2026 06:46, c186282 wrote: >>> Face it, the USA is barely set to deal with major >>> Ā environmental disasters better than yer average 3rd-world shithole. >>> Ā Recent EU news suggests that NOBODY is. Shredded housing, shredded >>> Ā power distribution, shredded comms ... yer ON YER OWN ! The >>> Ā proverbial "safety net" is 90+ percent ILLUSION. >> >> Cost benefit says you don't prepare for 1000 year events, you just pay >> insurance. > > One year in the '90s Arizona found out what '100 year flood plain' means. > Not a good idea to build in Rio Salada even though it hasn't been a rio in > recent memory. Yea, "100 Year" even "1000 Year" don't really MEAN much. So, like it or not, gotta be ready for the "1000-year" EVERY year.
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| From | Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> |
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| Date | 2026-08-27 10:54 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <116pq47$1lau2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90612 |
On 8/26/2026 2:07 AM, c186282 wrote: > On 8/25/26 14:43, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:50:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 25/08/2026 06:46, c186282 wrote: >>>> Face it, the USA is barely set to deal with major >>>> Ā Ā environmental disasters better than yer average 3rd-world shithole. >>>> Ā Ā Recent EU news suggests that NOBODY is. Shredded housing, shredded >>>> Ā Ā power distribution, shredded comms ... yer ON YER OWN ! The >>>> Ā Ā proverbial "safety net" is 90+ percent ILLUSION. >>> >>> Cost benefit says you don't prepare for 1000 year events, you just pay >>> insurance. >> >> One year in the '90s Arizona found out what '100 year flood plain' means. >> Not a good idea to build in Rio Salada even though it hasn't been a >> rio in >> recent memory. > > Ā Yea, "100 Year" even "1000 Year" don't really > Ā MEAN much. > > Ā So, like it or not, gotta be ready for the > Ā "1000-year" EVERY year. Some amazing video of the flooding in Nepal and Tibet from what "experts" believe is a collapsed glacier: https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16083765/New-footage-nepal-tibet-floods-destruction-damage.html -- Israelās Ben Gvir Calls For Nightly Kill Quota In Gaza Ben Gvir: āThere are people there who are not alive. They donāt need to live. They are not people. Iām doing them a favor by calling them people.ā https://x.com/RyanRozbiani/status/2088695627702002109 https://www.globalgulag.us
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-27 19:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116pulb$1mu8b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90688 |
On 27/08/2026 17:54, Enoch Powell wrote:
> Some amazing video of the flooding in Nepal and Tibet from what
> "experts" believe is a collapsed glacier:
>
> https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16083765/New-footage-nepal-tibet-floods-destruction-damage.html
Its all over you tube.
Horrendous.
Yes, the consensus is a chunk of ice water rocks and sediment fell into
the valley causing a 6,4 level 'earthquake' and that overwhelmed a
series of dams and the water behind them.
Dam failure - these were hydro dams - is massively dangerous.
And yet people prefer it to nuclear power stations...
--
āThe fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."
- Bertrand Russell
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| From | Enoch Powell <e.powell@tutanatu.kom> |
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| Date | 2026-08-27 12:57 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <116q1a4$1nvg5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90690 |
On 8/27/2026 12:11 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 27/08/2026 17:54, Enoch Powell wrote: >> Some amazing video of the flooding in Nepal and Tibet from what >> "experts" believe is a collapsed glacier: >> >> https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16083765/New-footage-nepal- >> tibet-floods-destruction-damage.html > > Its all over you tube. > Horrendous. > Yes, the consensus is a chunk of ice water rocks and sediment fell into > the valley causing a 6,4 level 'earthquake' and that overwhelmed a > series of dams and the water behind them. > > Dam failure - these were hydro dams - is massively dangerous. > And yet people prefer it to nuclear power stations... > One can surmise that the collapsed glacier is a preview of things to come. Billions of people, fish and animals depend on glacier fed rivers. When "climate change" causes the glaciers to melt, billions of "refugees" will be heading to Russia, Europe and North America from water starved areas of the planet, bringing chaos and ruin to the areas they flee too. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2026/08/revealed-here-is-what-caused-apocalyptic-nepal-floods/ -- Israelās Ben Gvir Calls For Nightly Kill Quota In Gaza Ben Gvir: āThere are people there who are not alive. They donāt need to live. They are not people. Iām doing them a favor by calling them people.ā https://x.com/RyanRozbiani/status/2088695627702002109 https://www.globalgulag.us
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 12:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116rsvv$28guo$14@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90692 |
On 27/08/2026 19:57, Enoch Powell wrote: > On 8/27/2026 12:11 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 27/08/2026 17:54, Enoch Powell wrote: >>> Some amazing video of the flooding in Nepal and Tibet from what >>> "experts" believe is a collapsed glacier: >>> >>> https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16083765/New-footage-nepal- >>> tibet-floods-destruction-damage.html >> >> Its all over you tube. >> Horrendous. >> Yes, the consensus is a chunk of ice water rocks and sediment fell >> into the valley causing a 6,4 level 'earthquake' and that overwhelmed >> a series of dams and the water behind them. >> >> Dam failure - these were hydro dams - is massively dangerous. >> And yet people prefer it to nuclear power stations... >> > > One can surmise that the collapsed glacier is a preview of things to > come. Billions of people, fish and animals depend on glacier fed rivers. > When "climate change" What climate change is that? > causes the glaciers to melt, billions of > "refugees" will be heading to Russia, Europe and North America from > water starved areas of the planet, bringing chaos and ruin to the areas > they flee too. > > https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2026/08/revealed-here-is-what-caused-apocalyptic-nepal-floods/ > *yawn*. Its always much worserer than the worserest thing there ever was, with 'climate change' Glacial collapse has always happened. We have had a massively El NiƱo year and it continues. Heavy rainfall in the Utah and Nevada deserts. Wildfires elsewhere Atlantic storms are down, Pacific storms are up, Antarctic ice is low, Arctic ice is higher Earthquakes are more numerous. As are volcanoes. Solar flares are extremely active, and the moon and sun are in alignment to create eclipses. Are they linked? No one knows. Man made climate change is just another man made conspiracy theory -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 18:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfe24aFprcuU37@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90751 |
On Fri, 28 Aug 2026 12:55:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Glacial collapse has always happened. We have had a massively El NiƱo > year and it continues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_Lake_Missoula Damn Blackfeet and their smoky campfires. There are several markers on trails at the 4200' level. It's interesting to look out over the valley and picture a lake.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 00:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116qh4m$1s6cu$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90690 |
On 2026-08-27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 27/08/2026 17:54, Enoch Powell wrote: >> Some amazing video of the flooding in Nepal and Tibet from what >> "experts" believe is a collapsed glacier: >> >> https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16083765/New-footage-nepal-tibet-floods-destruction-damage.html > > Its all over you tube. > Horrendous. > Yes, the consensus is a chunk of ice water rocks and sediment fell > into the valley causing a 6,4 level 'earthquake' and that overwhelmed > a series of dams and the water behind them. > > Dam failure - these were hydro dams - is massively dangerous. > And yet people prefer it to nuclear power stations... If anything dams may have softened the impact for a while, and even if a short while that'd probably still be immensely valuable. Other than that, if it's beyond dam capacity, there'd be a flood, dam or no dam... -- Nuno Silva
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 00:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <wxednYQ-Uqocjwz3nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90701 |
On 8/27/26 19:27, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-08-27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 27/08/2026 17:54, Enoch Powell wrote: >>> Some amazing video of the flooding in Nepal and Tibet from what >>> "experts" believe is a collapsed glacier: >>> >>> https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16083765/New-footage-nepal-tibet-floods-destruction-damage.html >> >> Its all over you tube. >> Horrendous. >> Yes, the consensus is a chunk of ice water rocks and sediment fell >> into the valley causing a 6,4 level 'earthquake' and that overwhelmed >> a series of dams and the water behind them. >> >> Dam failure - these were hydro dams - is massively dangerous. >> And yet people prefer it to nuclear power stations... > > If anything dams may have softened the impact for a while, and even if a > short while that'd probably still be immensely valuable. > > Other than that, if it's beyond dam capacity, there'd be a flood, dam or > no dam... Hydro dams CAN be built right - but, due to the expense, rarely ARE done right. Little leaks turn into bigger leaks and then BOOM/FLUSH ! USA ... land ownership and environmental regs have limited the use of hydro for quite awhile. Most good stuff was put in before WW2. HAVE been interested in 'low-head hydro' ... computers can now design impellers/wheels well optimized for low-pressure/ high-volume. Theoretically the Mississippi river could be heavily farmed as near-zero-head hydroelectric ... basically 'raft farms' of kinda traditional-looking paddle-wheel type stuff. The lower efficiency can be made up through sheer VOLUME, cheapness and expansible modularity of the 'farms'.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 13:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116rtcq$28guo$15@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90701 |
On 28/08/2026 00:27, Nuno Silva wrote: > On 2026-08-27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 27/08/2026 17:54, Enoch Powell wrote: >>> Some amazing video of the flooding in Nepal and Tibet from what >>> "experts" believe is a collapsed glacier: >>> >>> https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16083765/New-footage-nepal-tibet-floods-destruction-damage.html >> >> Its all over you tube. >> Horrendous. >> Yes, the consensus is a chunk of ice water rocks and sediment fell >> into the valley causing a 6,4 level 'earthquake' and that overwhelmed >> a series of dams and the water behind them. >> >> Dam failure - these were hydro dams - is massively dangerous. >> And yet people prefer it to nuclear power stations... > > If anything dams may have softened the impact for a while, and even if a > short while that'd probably still be immensely valuable. > No. Each dam held a volume of water that was released once the event came, and the dams failed, *adding* to the chaos downstream The greatest loss of life from an energy related accident was the failure of the 1975 Banqiao Dam ... ..Around 1:30 a.m. on August 8, 1975, water overtopped the earthen structure, causing rapid and catastrophic erosion. A wall of water roughly 10 kilometers wide and 5 meters high rushed out at speeds up to 50 km/h. The initial surge caused a domino effect, leading to the catastrophic collapse of 61 total downstream dams in the Zhumadian area, including the Shimantan Dam Death Toll: Estimates range from roughly 26,000 immediate drowning deaths up to a total of 150,000ā240,000 overall casualties when accounting for subsequent disease (cholera, typhoid) and widespread famine. Over 10 million people were displaced. The disaster was kept as a state secret in China for roughly 30 years before public acknowledgment and eventual reconstruction of a new dam on the site by 1993 > Other than that, if it's beyond dam capacity, there'd be a flood, dam or > no dam... The problem is similar to what brought the twin towers down. Progressive collapse,. The shock of all the water rocks and ice hitting each dam *broke* that dam. And added more water for the next dam... > -- "I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-28 16:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn1193cst.gd.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #90752 |
On 2026-08-28, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 28/08/2026 00:27, Nuno Silva wrote: >> On 2026-08-27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> On 27/08/2026 17:54, Enoch Powell wrote: >>>> Some amazing video of the flooding in Nepal and Tibet from what >>>> "experts" believe is a collapsed glacier: >>>> >>>> https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16083765/New-footage-nepal-tibet-floods-destruction-damage.html >>> >>> Its all over you tube. >>> Horrendous. >>> Yes, the consensus is a chunk of ice water rocks and sediment fell >>> into the valley causing a 6,4 level 'earthquake' and that overwhelmed >>> a series of dams and the water behind them. >>> >>> Dam failure - these were hydro dams - is massively dangerous. >>> And yet people prefer it to nuclear power stations... >> >> If anything dams may have softened the impact for a while, and even if a >> short while that'd probably still be immensely valuable. >> > No. Each dam held a volume of water that was released once the event > came, and the dams failed, *adding* to the chaos downstream > > The greatest loss of life from an energy related accident was the > failure of the 1975 Banqiao Dam ... > > ..Around 1:30 a.m. on August 8, 1975, water overtopped the earthen > structure, causing rapid and catastrophic erosion. > > A wall of water roughly 10 kilometers wide and 5 meters high rushed > out at speeds up to 50 km/h. > > The initial surge caused a domino effect, leading to the catastrophic > collapse of 61 total downstream dams in the Zhumadian area, including > the Shimantan Dam > > Death Toll: Estimates range from roughly 26,000 immediate drowning > deaths up to a total of 150,000ā240,000 overall casualties when > accounting for subsequent disease (cholera, typhoid) and widespread famine. > > Over 10 million people were displaced. > > The disaster was kept as a state secret in China for roughly 30 years > before public acknowledgment and eventual reconstruction of a new dam on > the site by 1993 > > >> Other than that, if it's beyond dam capacity, there'd be a flood, dam or >> no dam... > > The problem is similar to what brought the twin towers down. Progressive > collapse,. The shock of all the water rocks and ice hitting each dam > *broke* that dam. And added more water for the next dam... Under the right (or wrong) conditions and in a much smaller scale, that can happen in nature with a series of beaver dams in a canyon. I have seen a road washout from that type of event. I was told by competent sources that there were rock gouges on tree trunks, IIRC, 8-16 feet up. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 10:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <116u8vd$3345j$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90770 |
On 28/08/2026 17:13, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-08-28, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 28/08/2026 00:27, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> On 2026-08-27, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> On 27/08/2026 17:54, Enoch Powell wrote: >>>>> Some amazing video of the flooding in Nepal and Tibet from what >>>>> "experts" believe is a collapsed glacier: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16083765/New-footage-nepal-tibet-floods-destruction-damage.html >>>> >>>> Its all over you tube. >>>> Horrendous. >>>> Yes, the consensus is a chunk of ice water rocks and sediment fell >>>> into the valley causing a 6,4 level 'earthquake' and that overwhelmed >>>> a series of dams and the water behind them. >>>> >>>> Dam failure - these were hydro dams - is massively dangerous. >>>> And yet people prefer it to nuclear power stations... >>> >>> If anything dams may have softened the impact for a while, and even if a >>> short while that'd probably still be immensely valuable. >>> >> No. Each dam held a volume of water that was released once the event >> came, and the dams failed, *adding* to the chaos downstream >> >> The greatest loss of life from an energy related accident was the >> failure of the 1975 Banqiao Dam ... >> >> ..Around 1:30 a.m. on August 8, 1975, water overtopped the earthen >> structure, causing rapid and catastrophic erosion. >> >> A wall of water roughly 10 kilometers wide and 5 meters high rushed >> out at speeds up to 50 km/h. >> >> The initial surge caused a domino effect, leading to the catastrophic >> collapse of 61 total downstream dams in the Zhumadian area, including >> the Shimantan Dam >> >> Death Toll: Estimates range from roughly 26,000 immediate drowning >> deaths up to a total of 150,000ā240,000 overall casualties when >> accounting for subsequent disease (cholera, typhoid) and widespread famine. >> >> Over 10 million people were displaced. >> >> The disaster was kept as a state secret in China for roughly 30 years >> before public acknowledgment and eventual reconstruction of a new dam on >> the site by 1993 >> >> >>> Other than that, if it's beyond dam capacity, there'd be a flood, dam or >>> no dam... >> >> The problem is similar to what brought the twin towers down. Progressive >> collapse,. The shock of all the water rocks and ice hitting each dam >> *broke* that dam. And added more water for the next dam... > > Under the right (or wrong) conditions and in a much smaller > scale, that can happen in nature with a series of beaver dams in > a canyon. I have seen a road washout from that type of event. I > was told by competent sources that there were rock gouges on tree > trunks, IIRC, 8-16 feet up. > 8-16 feet is not uncommon in flash floods in arid places IIRC. The Mojave desert IIRC has more deaths from drowning than any other cause when the arroyos become raging torrents -- "It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's" Joew Walsh
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-29 19:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nfgqprFprcuU52@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90814 |
On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 10:32:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > 8-16 feet is not uncommon in flash floods in arid places IIRC. > The Mojave desert IIRC has more deaths from drowning than any other > cause when the arroyos become raging torrents One winter that I spent in Arizona was very wet. It wasn't a big deal but for a few days I could neither go north to Ajo or east to Casa Grande or Tucson. The arroyos, called washes by the Anglo population, seldom had any water. In areas where the wash is fairly deep there may be a bridge. For those without bridges there are usually depth markers so you can judge whether or not you can drive across the ford. Some people judge poorly. Often the washes are dammed at suitable locations. If it rains a small pond is formed for livestock or irrigation purposes. The desert Pima used that strategy for their summer encampments. The years when it didn't rain they would visit their riverine cousins along the Gila or Salt rivers, provide entertainment, work in the irrigated fields, or do other odd labor. I suppose it was sort of a welfare system. Like many of today's homeless the migratory desert tribes didn't want a settled life style.
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