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| Started by | L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> |
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| First post | 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000 |
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Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:48 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:14 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 10:58 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:58 +0100
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-19 18:30 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-19 22:19 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:41 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:05 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 17:57 +0000
Re: OT "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 18:59 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:48 +0000
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 21:23 +0100
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:40 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:50 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:32 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 22:44 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:36 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:43 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 18:08 +0000
Re: OT chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-21 16:03 -0500
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 03:50 +0000
Re: OT c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-22 05:21 -0400
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:09 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:43 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:06 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 04:11 +0000
Re: OT c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-22 03:20 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-20 21:18 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:54 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:45 +0100
Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-21 19:07 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:23 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 12:31 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:59 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:23 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:39 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:52 +0200
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:15 +0100
Re: OT Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 02:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:04 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 20:53 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-19 22:11 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:58 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-20 21:06 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:50 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 18:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:32 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:52 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 04:11 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:52 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-19 05:54 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:47 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:26 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-17 19:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 03:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neskjjFpub2U57@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90300 |
On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 16:03:09 -0500, chrisv wrote: > I like a sweet treat, but Cinnabon is one thing that I will not eat. > They taste wonderful, but they "fall below the line" of being worth the > drawbacks. I've never had one. Our mall isn't much but it does have one so that popped up in my mind. I very rarely go to the mall but last week I was to meet someone in the parking lot and was early so I took a run through to see what businesses were still there. The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I suppose it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. I was surprised to see Amazon still offers the digital to analog converters like they were giving out coupons for during the switch over. I just bought a digital flat screen at the time. Next up, anyone want a VGA CRT monitor?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 05:21 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <b16dnflvItO59xT3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90318 |
On 8/21/26 23:50, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 16:03:09 -0500, chrisv wrote: > >> I like a sweet treat, but Cinnabon is one thing that I will not eat. >> They taste wonderful, but they "fall below the line" of being worth the >> drawbacks. > > I've never had one. Our mall isn't much but it does have one so that > popped up in my mind. I very rarely go to the mall but last week I was to > meet someone in the parking lot and was early so I took a run through to > see what businesses were still there. > > The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT > TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going > to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I suppose > it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. > > I was surprised to see Amazon still offers the digital to analog > converters like they were giving out coupons for during the switch over. I > just bought a digital flat screen at the time. > > Next up, anyone want a VGA CRT monitor? Already have one, a good SONY. Hmm, might buy one of those converters ... Hey, they weren't bad, just BULKY.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 00:09 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116alrl$mo6m$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90295 |
On 21/08/2026 19:08, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:43:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 20/08/2026 21:26, rbowman wrote: >>> Lately I've been using the phone unless I >>> plan to be in an area with no cell service. >> >> My in phone app works without cell coverage. Its all in the phone > > You snipped the relevant context about geocaching. > Is it relevant though? I cant see how an internet cconnection helps you find a cache > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocaching#Mobile_devices > > The phone app connects to geocaching.com, retrieves the data for the area > reported by the phone's GPS, and presents it on a map. Clicking on one > downloads the description, logs, and hints, if any. If the cache is found, > you can then log it. Obviously all this requires a connection. > Oh. Seems a bit silly, but who am I ... -- "An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out only in others...” Tom Wolfe
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 19:43 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1bfmlmx585.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #90214 |
(advocacy groups removed) On 2026-08-20 18:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/8/20 16:41:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >> A long, long time ago, in Australia, I was about to buy my first >> dedicated navigation device, but hesitated several times. Eventually I >> bit the bullet and bought my very first 'smartphone', with a whopping >> '4GB' - actually 1GB 'free', if that 'much' - (non-volatile) storage. >> Added a MicroSD card for the maps and never looked back. >> >> But, as always, YMMV/YMWV. > > I would imagine smartphones - plus the incorporation of SatNavs into new > cars (are they a standard thing these days? I rarely buy a car - mine's > twenty this half) - has more or less done for standalone devices, except > for people wanting to drive old cars in areas where there's no cellular > coverage, which can't be a very big market, so the price of standalones > has probably rocketed. I rented a car this past week, a Fiat 600e, and it had both TomTom navigation and Android Auto included in the large secondary screen. According to <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTofng6Hjo> TomTom is dead. But I looked at their website and they are selling several hardware models, some of them for profesional drivers. One new feature (for me) is entering in the config the size and weight of the vehicle. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 00:06 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116all6$mo6m$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90293 |
On 21/08/2026 18:43, Carlos E.R. wrote: > According to <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTofng6Hjo> TomTom is > dead. But I looked at their website and they are selling several > hardware models, some of them for profesional drivers. Indeed. They are very much alive and took some money off me for the continued use of Pro Expert as its now called. They are not so much into low cost portable devices though I just got back from Cambridge where its essential as the speed limits change without warning from 20,30,40, 50, 60mph. and all the cyclists wear black and carry no lights whatsoever. I suspect smart car manufacturers would install their software...on whatver wird kit thay have on the dashboard -- "If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 04:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nesls8Fpub2U58@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90304 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 00:06:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Indeed. They are very much alive and took some money off me for the > continued use of Pro Expert as its now called. They are not so much into > low cost portable devices though That explains why Amazon is only showing refurbs. Most of the Magellan units are either listed as used or refurbished too. I started with the Garmin GPS II Plus and stayed with the brand. I think the II may still work but it's from 1997 before Clinton removed SA so it only shows distance to the tenth of a mile. I used the thing for my first two geocaches before I moved into the 21st century. That was one of the few useful things Slick Willie did.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 03:20 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <36ucnRxaq_oM0BT3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90322 |
On 8/22/26 00:11, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 00:06:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Indeed. They are very much alive and took some money off me for the >> continued use of Pro Expert as its now called. They are not so much into >> low cost portable devices though > > That explains why Amazon is only showing refurbs. Most of the Magellan > units are either listed as used or refurbished too. I started with the > Garmin GPS II Plus and stayed with the brand. I think the II may still > work but it's from 1997 before Clinton removed SA so it only shows > distance to the tenth of a mile. I used the thing for my first two > geocaches before I moved into the 21st century. That was one of the few > useful things Slick Willie did. Ummm ... if they broke ONCE they'll break AGAIN. "Refurbs" for sale are a big NEGATIVE for the particular product IMHO.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nep4vcFpub2U32@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90213 |
On 20 Aug 2026 15:41:47 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Case in point: In Queensland (Australia), we encountered a couple with > a car and caravan who were about to take a 500km detour, because the > road they were on was not on their dedicated device and they didn't dare > to continue. We could show them that the road would take them where they > wanted to go, saving them some 400km. There have been several tragic episodes in the US for the opposite reason. The GPS showed a shortcut that would require 4WD or wasn't maintained in the winter. I have placed a couple of geocaches that played off my knowing the DeLorme maps many people used didn't reflect reality. One was a bridge that had been pedestrian only since the '80s and had washed out entirely in '96. Another inexplicably showed a road leading up a ridge. There was no evidence there had ever been a road. There was a trail that would challenge a mountain goat in places. The more rural the area the less frequently the map is updated. Much of the work I did involved GIS both to locate the call for service location and to provide routing for the emergency responders. part of the task for a new site was reviewing the GIS data they submitted. Errors included different segments of a street with the same street numbers, completely different streets with the same name, street segments that failed to connect to an intersection and were not routable, and so forth. I did web map applications using the Esri API and the basemaps provided by Esri. Often when the vector data used by the site was overlaid on the basemap streets would not line up. Using OSM basemaps had the same problem, as did satellite imagery. Sometimes when traveling I'll play along with the GPS. Heading north on 93 in Las Vegas feeds you onto interstates but you swing off to the west before going east. The algorithm saw that as inefficient and directed me onto surface streets. Not only were there stop lights and more traffic but it led through parts of North LV where most people prefer not to go.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <HpJhS.11662$VnG4.7499@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #90231 |
On 2026-08-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > Much of the work I did involved GIS both to locate the call for service > location and to provide routing for the emergency responders. part of the > task for a new site was reviewing the GIS data they submitted. Errors > included different segments of a street with the same street numbers, > completely different streets with the same name, street segments that > failed to connect to an intersection and were not routable, and so forth. The street we live on is a one-block segment, terminated by a school at each end. On the other side of one of the schools the street continues for another block. It took a while for Google Maps to get that second segment properly into its database. From time to time I would see a delivery van stopped outside our house with a confused driver trying to figure out why the house numbers didn't match up. I helped more than one such driver on his way. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 21:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <slrn118eror.td0.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #90235 |
On 2026-08-20, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-08-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> Much of the work I did involved GIS both to locate the call for service >> location and to provide routing for the emergency responders. part of the >> task for a new site was reviewing the GIS data they submitted. Errors >> included different segments of a street with the same street numbers, >> completely different streets with the same name, street segments that >> failed to connect to an intersection and were not routable, and so forth. > > The street we live on is a one-block segment, terminated by a school > at each end. On the other side of one of the schools the street > continues for another block. It took a while for Google Maps to > get that second segment properly into its database. From time to > time I would see a delivery van stopped outside our house with a > confused driver trying to figure out why the house numbers didn't > match up. I helped more than one such driver on his way. As somebody mentioned earlier, there have been tragic consequences of bad GPS and similar data. Several years ago, a family got stuck in snow on a recommended road. I think they were going between Grants Pass and Gold Beach. The dad tried to find help, but his body was found not very far from the vehicle. When mapquest.com was relatively new (maybe 2005-2010), when asked for a route to an address in the south-western portions of Dayton, Oregon, USA from somewhere north and east of Dayton, the route would include a step of making a left-hand turn from Hwy 18 onto SE Fletcher Rd aka 8th St. The problem is that crossing is an overpass with no way for a vehicle to get between the two roads at that location. I filed a few bug reports. It took a year or two but they eventually fixed it. Google Streetview has an annoying misfeature I run into from time to time. I'll be following a highway in Streetview, but the view will jump either upward or downward to another road that crosses the one I had been on. If anyone knows a way to prevent or recover from that problem, I'd be happy to hear about it. Thanks. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 03:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neq0ggFpub2U47@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90241 |
On 20 Aug 2026 21:18:19 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > As somebody mentioned earlier, there have been tragic consequences of > bad GPS and similar data. Several years ago, a family got stuck in snow > on a recommended road. I think they were going between Grants Pass and > Gold Beach. The dad tried to find help, but his body was found not very > far from the vehicle. I've been over that route in the summer and was quite happy to get to Gold Beach. I did stop to hike up Mount Bolivar. https://journeywithstevenmichael.blogspot.com/2008/12/mount-bolivar.html It's deceptive in that the road is paved and well maintained along the Rogue River. Then you get to the launch point for the rafters. The road crosses the river and is gravel with unmarked junctions, swinging well away from the river until you get near Gold Beach. Given that it was winter, turning around at the raft launch area would have been a good idea. > When mapquest.com was relatively new (maybe 2005-2010), when asked for a > route to an address in the south-western portions of Dayton, Oregon, USA > from somewhere north and east of Dayton, the route would include a step > of making a left-hand turn from Hwy 18 onto SE Fletcher Rd aka 8th St. > The problem is that crossing is an overpass with no way for a vehicle to > get between the two roads at that location. I filed a few bug reports. > It took a year or two but they eventually fixed it. Different formats are used for vector data. Navteq used the Z axis so if a segment broke on an overpass it could have the same to/from X and Y coordinates as the street below but a different Z. Some of our clients sourced their data from Navteq but our code didn't handle the Z axis. I wrote a utility that would search for non-zero Z values and offset the coordinates by a few feet so they wouldn't appear to intersect with the street below. A lot of geodata needs a little groom and clean so it will route cleanly.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 13:45 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1169h8u$9sqa$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90241 |
On 20/08/2026 22:18, Robert Riches wrote: > Google Streetview has an annoying misfeature I run into from time > to time. I'll be following a highway in Streetview, but the view > will jump either upward or downward to another road that crosses > the one I had been on. If anyone knows a way to prevent or > recover from that problem, I'd be happy to hear about it. > Thanks. Use a better app. -- There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons that sound good. Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 19:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <slrn118h8fb.egk.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #90279 |
On 2026-08-21, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 20/08/2026 22:18, Robert Riches wrote: >> Google Streetview has an annoying misfeature I run into from time >> to time. I'll be following a highway in Streetview, but the view >> will jump either upward or downward to another road that crosses >> the one I had been on. If anyone knows a way to prevent or >> recover from that problem, I'd be happy to hear about it. >> Thanks. > Use a better app. Any specific suggestions? Mapquest is where I usually go first, but IIUC it doesn't have anything similar to StreetView. My 4G Android flip phone effectively do downloadable apps, because entering my GMail password would take to long with having to switch input methods between uppercase, lowercase, and digits. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 00:23 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116amma$mo6m$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90299 |
On 21/08/2026 20:07, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2026-08-21, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> On 20/08/2026 22:18, Robert Riches wrote: >>> Google Streetview has an annoying misfeature I run into from time >>> to time. I'll be following a highway in Streetview, but the view >>> will jump either upward or downward to another road that crosses >>> the one I had been on. If anyone knows a way to prevent or >>> recover from that problem, I'd be happy to hear about it. >>> Thanks. >> Use a better app. > > Any specific suggestions? I am 100% satisfied with tomtom GO expert for android Well 99%. It did tell me tonight to 'turn right and take the second left', but once I had turned right 'Jane' forgot she has said that and told me to carry straight on. > Mapquest is where I usually go first, > but IIUC it doesn't have anything similar to StreetView. My 4G > Android flip phone effectively do downloadable apps, because > entering my GMail password would take to long with having to > switch input methods between uppercase, lowercase, and digits. > TomTom Go Expert is downloadable from google play and you get a fee map and usage for a short period to try it out. After that its about $100/yr, but I am happy to pay that for it. The quality is very good. -- "And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch". Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nepcf7Fpub2U42@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90235 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2026 20:26:15 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > The street we live on is a one-block segment, terminated by a school at > each end. On the other side of one of the schools the street continues > for another block. It took a while for Google Maps to get that second > segment properly into its database. From time to time I would see a > delivery van stopped outside our house with a confused driver trying to > figure out why the house numbers didn't match up. I helped more than > one such driver on his way. There are a number of historical reasons including dueling developers but one section of the city is at a 45 degree angle to the general north/south orientation. That resulted in what became the main drag also being misaligned, followed by further chaotic development. That's resulted in several streets with one or more segments that don't connect to each other. Getting from one chunk to the other can be a problem so you really need to know which piece has the address you're looking for, GPSs have improved matters. 25 years ago most addresses were 'geocoded'. Basically you know a segment of Maple St is X feet long and has the ranges from 300 to 399, hopefully even and odd addresses on alternate sides but that's not guaranteed. Which side they're on is also not guaranteed. Anyway, subtract about 5% from each end to account for the intersections, set back from the center line, and divide. Oila, a coordinate usually in a State Plane Coordinate System projection since that's a lot nicer than messing with spherical trig. Worked for years...
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1165h0d$33bfm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90152 |
On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote: > J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >> (Should we take this to e-s.talk?) > > And pollute *that* group!? :-) > >> On 2026/8/17 20:16:48, Joel W. Crump wrote: > [...] >>>>> The price I paid for Win11 Pro is for a license to use it, the >>>>> price I paid for 365 is for a year of MS letting me use what >>>>> I want from their apps and OneDrive, it's a equitable way of >>>>> always having the latest software. Buying a boxed copy of >>>>> MS Office, OTOH, would lock me in to one arbitrary release. >> >> Depends whether you _want_ what the later releases give you. Granted, I >> haven't really _looked_ into what the later ones give me, but I've yet >> to find anything I want to do that my Office 2003 (with the patches for >> the x versions so I can exchange with those who use them) can't do. (And >> I certainly have no desire for OneDrive.) Each to his or her own, though! > > Exactly! My software ages quite nicely with time. Some important parts > are already well over two decades 'old' and still going strong. Example: > The software bringing you this post. > >>>> Given that software has started deteriorating with each successive >>>> release, constant upgrades are looking less and less attractive. >> >> That certainly is the impression I get. Plus needing constant >> replacement of OS in order to use them - OK, "constant" is overstating, >> but they only support so far back in OSs. > > The software I mention above started on XP and moved to Vista, 8.1 and > now 11 without a hitch. > > And to stay on topic, the most important part, this newsreader, could > run on all the OSs in the Newsgroups:' header! :-) > > [...] > >>>>> What do you do if you need a computer when you're driving? >>>>> Do you even realize that you can get a map app on the smartphone? >>>> >>>> Most of my driving is in areas I've driven for 60 years. >>>> If I need to find details of one of the few areas I'm not >>>> familiar with, I have a map book in the car (and road maps >>>> for longer trips). Or I can look it up on my computer >>>> before I leave home. (That's called planning, doncha know.) >>> >> Plus, a lot of map "apps" - like a lot of other apps - are actually only >> a gateway to an online database, i. e. won't work where there's no >> signal. (OK, if you know you're going to use them in advance, you can in >> many "apps" pre-download the maps for the areas you're going to be in.)> > > There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and > hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in > Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no > signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can > easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.) > and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-) > +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does. > [...] -- "Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will let them."
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 12:31 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neo3cpF63aeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90175 |
On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.)
>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>
> +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports
> on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.
Depends on the model. Some have an internal SIM card and a slow and
cheap internet connection. Some use a BT connection to a phone to get
slow internet. Some connect via WiFI to a hotspot in the car. And some
use FM radio, or a cable to the car FM radio, because some stations
transmit those reports in background, somehow. This last method I have
not experienced.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 11:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1166mn7$3drqq$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90201 |
On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote: >>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: > > >>> There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and >>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in >>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no >>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can >>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, etc.) >>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-) >>> >> +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps >> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest reports >> on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does. > > Depends on the model TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone. -- "It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's" Joew Walsh
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 15:23 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neodfdF63aeU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90204 |
On 2026-08-20 12:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and
>>>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in
>>>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no
>>>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can
>>>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU,
>>>> etc.)
>>>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-)
>>>>
>>> +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps
>>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest
>>> reports on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it does.
>>
>> Depends on the model
>
> TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone.
TomTom Go is indeed hardware, I have one. There is also an app with the
same name.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 13:39 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1169gtg$9sqa$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90206 |
On 20/08/2026 14:23, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2026-08-20 12:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> On 20/08/2026 11:31, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2026-08-20 02:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> On 19/08/2026 19:30, Frank Slootweg wrote: >>>>> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> There are quite a lot of navigation apps which use offline maps and >>>>> hence do not need a 'signal' (mobile data connection). I used them in >>>>> Australia's rural/Outback/remote areas where there often just *is* no >>>>> signal (except very expensive satellite Internet). A smartphone can >>>>> easily hold the offline maps for whole countries (like the UK, AU, >>>>> etc.) >>>>> and more. One of these days, I'll add the NZ maps! :-) >>>>> >>>> +1. I use Tomtom GO and if I had a bigger phone Id keep more maps >>>> It does not AFAICT use Internet connectivity to get its latest >>>> reports on speed cameras and traffic jams, but get them somehow it >>>> does. >>> >>> Depends on the model >> >> TomTom GO is not hardware, its an android app. It runs on my phone. > > TomTom Go is indeed hardware, I have one. There is also an app with the > same name. > Ah., I thought 'GO' was reserved for the app alone. I see the app has become TomTom GO Expert.... -- “Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
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