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| Started by | L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> |
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| First post | 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000 |
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Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 20:45 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:10 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-15 21:15 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-15 17:21 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-15 22:56 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 02:26 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-16 03:01 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 09:48 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:54 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 17:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:48 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 12:14 -0700
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 19:33 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:39 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-17 20:13 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-16 10:58 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-16 14:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-16 17:44 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-08-16 17:01 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-17 00:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 16:58 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 13:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-17 18:59 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:16 -0400
OT (was: Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 21:20 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-17 22:21 +0100
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:23 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 14:34 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:24 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 15:40 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 18:44 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:51 -0700
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 11:20 -0400
Re: OT John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 10:24 -0700
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 13:58 +0100
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: OT "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 20:51 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:01 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 02:55 +0000
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-19 18:30 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-19 22:19 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:41 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:05 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 17:57 +0000
Re: OT "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 18:59 +0100
Re: OT Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-20 18:48 +0000
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-20 21:23 +0100
Re: OT Oz roads /satnavs Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-21 07:40 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:50 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:32 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 22:44 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:36 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:43 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 18:08 +0000
Re: OT chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-21 16:03 -0500
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 03:50 +0000
Re: OT c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-22 05:21 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:16 +0000
Re: OT chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-08-22 10:34 -0500
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:40 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:42 +0100
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:09 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:43 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:06 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 04:11 +0000
Re: OT c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-22 03:20 -0400
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:28 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 23:41 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-23 01:07 +0000
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-22 13:42 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-22 19:33 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000
Re: OT Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000
Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-20 21:18 +0000
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 03:54 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:45 +0100
Re: OT Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-21 19:07 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:23 +0100
Re: OT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 22:12 +0000
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:16 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 12:31 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:59 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-20 15:23 +0200
Re: OT The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:39 +0100
Re: OT "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-21 19:52 +0200
Re: OT "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2026-08-20 17:15 +0100
Re: OT Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-21 02:49 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 22:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-08-18 08:39 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:15 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:25 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-08-18 21:44 +1000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 07:52 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 08:36 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 13:16 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-17 18:07 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-17 23:40 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-17 19:45 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 00:47 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 02:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 03:10 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-18 00:48 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:26 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 04:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 08:55 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:24 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:37 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-18 20:51 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 15:04 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 20:53 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-19 22:11 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 11:58 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 21:51 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-20 21:06 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-21 13:50 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-21 18:55 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-22 00:18 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 04:32 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 05:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:52 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-19 22:54 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-20 04:11 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 10:25 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 15:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-18 17:30 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-18 16:30 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-18 22:52 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-08-19 05:54 +0200
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-19 14:47 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-19 21:26 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0100
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> - 2026-08-20 01:42 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-18 03:34 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-17 19:08 +0000
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-16 23:42 -0400
Re: Ahoy Pie R8s! New Win11 vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-16 11:55 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 03:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neskjjFpub2U57@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90300 |
On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 16:03:09 -0500, chrisv wrote: > I like a sweet treat, but Cinnabon is one thing that I will not eat. > They taste wonderful, but they "fall below the line" of being worth the > drawbacks. I've never had one. Our mall isn't much but it does have one so that popped up in my mind. I very rarely go to the mall but last week I was to meet someone in the parking lot and was early so I took a run through to see what businesses were still there. The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I suppose it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. I was surprised to see Amazon still offers the digital to analog converters like they were giving out coupons for during the switch over. I just bought a digital flat screen at the time. Next up, anyone want a VGA CRT monitor?
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 05:21 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <b16dnflvItO59xT3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90318 |
On 8/21/26 23:50, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 16:03:09 -0500, chrisv wrote: > >> I like a sweet treat, but Cinnabon is one thing that I will not eat. >> They taste wonderful, but they "fall below the line" of being worth the >> drawbacks. > > I've never had one. Our mall isn't much but it does have one so that > popped up in my mind. I very rarely go to the mall but last week I was to > meet someone in the parking lot and was early so I took a run through to > see what businesses were still there. > > The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT > TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going > to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I suppose > it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. > > I was surprised to see Amazon still offers the digital to analog > converters like they were giving out coupons for during the switch over. I > just bought a digital flat screen at the time. > > Next up, anyone want a VGA CRT monitor? Already have one, a good SONY. Hmm, might buy one of those converters ... Hey, they weren't bad, just BULKY.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 19:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neuat1F5rktU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90330 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 05:21:40 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Hmm, might buy one of those converters ... > > Hey, they weren't bad, just BULKY. I didn't dig into it but Amazon showed two classes. The $40 models looked like the OTA converters that allowed channel selection on the converter box. The $20 models appeared to accept HDMI in with the RCA composite cable out. I briefly wondered how a 15 year old CRT TV would handle HDMI.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 10:34 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <24gj8ldh9k87ipvp7659gbth5r6gv9165p@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #90318 |
rbowman wrote: >The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT >TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going >to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I suppose >it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. Probably for retro gaming, with an old game console. CRT TV's work better than modern digital screens, for that. -- 'So it really boils down to "I hate Microsoft and I hate Apple" because they aren't free.' - some POS that called itself "GreyCloud", lying shamelessly
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 19:40 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neuc8fF5rktU8@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90342 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 10:34:20 -0500, chrisv wrote: > rbowman wrote: > >>The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT >>TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going >>to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I >>suppose it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. > > Probably for retro gaming, with an old game console. CRT TV's work > better than modern digital screens, for that. That may be it. The kid who jumped out to get it looked like a younger teen with Mom driving the SUV. Anyway it worked out well. Years ago someone was looking for a Game Boy for the kid. I offered it to her to be told the kid wanted a current model, not obsolete old crap. I've learned over the years that beggars damn well can be choosers.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 23:42 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116d8k7$1gc75$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90352 |
On 22/08/2026 20:40, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 10:34:20 -0500, chrisv wrote: > >> rbowman wrote: >> >>> The meet was a bit strange. Someone on reddit was looking for an old CRT >>> TV and I had one I was happy to get rid of. No idea what they were going >>> to do with it. It did have the RCA jacks for composite video so I >>> suppose it would work with a vintage VCR or DVD player. >> >> Probably for retro gaming, with an old game console. CRT TV's work >> better than modern digital screens, for that. > > That may be it. The kid who jumped out to get it looked like a younger > teen with Mom driving the SUV. Anyway it worked out well. > > Years ago someone was looking for a Game Boy for the kid. I offered it to > her to be told the kid wanted a current model, not obsolete old crap. I've > learned over the years that beggars damn well can be choosers. > Indeed. But they can also FOAD -- There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons that sound good. Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 00:09 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116alrl$mo6m$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90295 |
On 21/08/2026 19:08, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:43:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 20/08/2026 21:26, rbowman wrote: >>> Lately I've been using the phone unless I >>> plan to be in an area with no cell service. >> >> My in phone app works without cell coverage. Its all in the phone > > You snipped the relevant context about geocaching. > Is it relevant though? I cant see how an internet cconnection helps you find a cache > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocaching#Mobile_devices > > The phone app connects to geocaching.com, retrieves the data for the area > reported by the phone's GPS, and presents it on a map. Clicking on one > downloads the description, logs, and hints, if any. If the cache is found, > you can then log it. Obviously all this requires a connection. > Oh. Seems a bit silly, but who am I ... -- "An intellectual is a person knowledgeable in one field who speaks out only in others...” Tom Wolfe
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 19:43 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <1bfmlmx585.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #90214 |
(advocacy groups removed) On 2026-08-20 18:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2026/8/20 16:41:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >> A long, long time ago, in Australia, I was about to buy my first >> dedicated navigation device, but hesitated several times. Eventually I >> bit the bullet and bought my very first 'smartphone', with a whopping >> '4GB' - actually 1GB 'free', if that 'much' - (non-volatile) storage. >> Added a MicroSD card for the maps and never looked back. >> >> But, as always, YMMV/YMWV. > > I would imagine smartphones - plus the incorporation of SatNavs into new > cars (are they a standard thing these days? I rarely buy a car - mine's > twenty this half) - has more or less done for standalone devices, except > for people wanting to drive old cars in areas where there's no cellular > coverage, which can't be a very big market, so the price of standalones > has probably rocketed. I rented a car this past week, a Fiat 600e, and it had both TomTom navigation and Android Auto included in the large secondary screen. According to <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTofng6Hjo> TomTom is dead. But I looked at their website and they are selling several hardware models, some of them for profesional drivers. One new feature (for me) is entering in the config the size and weight of the vehicle. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 00:06 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116all6$mo6m$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90293 |
On 21/08/2026 18:43, Carlos E.R. wrote: > According to <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTofng6Hjo> TomTom is > dead. But I looked at their website and they are selling several > hardware models, some of them for profesional drivers. Indeed. They are very much alive and took some money off me for the continued use of Pro Expert as its now called. They are not so much into low cost portable devices though I just got back from Cambridge where its essential as the speed limits change without warning from 20,30,40, 50, 60mph. and all the cyclists wear black and carry no lights whatsoever. I suspect smart car manufacturers would install their software...on whatver wird kit thay have on the dashboard -- "If you don’t read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 04:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nesls8Fpub2U58@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90304 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 00:06:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Indeed. They are very much alive and took some money off me for the > continued use of Pro Expert as its now called. They are not so much into > low cost portable devices though That explains why Amazon is only showing refurbs. Most of the Magellan units are either listed as used or refurbished too. I started with the Garmin GPS II Plus and stayed with the brand. I think the II may still work but it's from 1997 before Clinton removed SA so it only shows distance to the tenth of a mile. I used the thing for my first two geocaches before I moved into the 21st century. That was one of the few useful things Slick Willie did.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 03:20 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <36ucnRxaq_oM0BT3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #90322 |
On 8/22/26 00:11, rbowman wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 00:06:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> Indeed. They are very much alive and took some money off me for the >> continued use of Pro Expert as its now called. They are not so much into >> low cost portable devices though > > That explains why Amazon is only showing refurbs. Most of the Magellan > units are either listed as used or refurbished too. I started with the > Garmin GPS II Plus and stayed with the brand. I think the II may still > work but it's from 1997 before Clinton removed SA so it only shows > distance to the tenth of a mile. I used the thing for my first two > geocaches before I moved into the 21st century. That was one of the few > useful things Slick Willie did. Ummm ... if they broke ONCE they'll break AGAIN. "Refurbs" for sale are a big NEGATIVE for the particular product IMHO.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 19:28 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neubj7F5rktU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90328 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 03:20:19 -0400, c186282 wrote: > Ummm ... if they broke ONCE they'll break AGAIN. > > "Refurbs" for sale are a big NEGATIVE for the particular product > IMHO. So far so good with the refurbished Levovo T480 I bought. I originally was going to buy another mini but the Lenovo was $200 and had better specs than the low end minis plus being self contained. For electronics a refurb might mean a quick wipe and OS reinstall. Technically most of the Linux boxes at work were refurbs. As Win10 machines that couldn't be upgraded were replaced, IT would wipe the drives and give them to programming. And run. They didn't want to know anything about Linux.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 23:41 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116d8ik$1gc75$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90350 |
On 22/08/2026 20:28, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 03:20:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>
>> Ummm ... if they broke ONCE they'll break AGAIN.
>>
>> "Refurbs" for sale are a big NEGATIVE for the particular product
>> IMHO.
>
> So far so good with the refurbished Levovo T480 I bought. I originally was
> going to buy another mini but the Lenovo was $200 and had better specs
> than the low end minis plus being self contained.
>
> For electronics a refurb might mean a quick wipe and OS reinstall.
No wipe, Original disk removed and crushed before they are sold to the
refurb peole
My Ex's BIL worked mainly for IBM supervising office and machine room
upgrades and transfers.
Every few years the PCs are collected, written off the books, and sold
to a contractor whose contract is null and void if any disk with data on
it ever re surfaces. They are removed and crushed and then the machines
go to the refurb people who put new disks in and install Windows
whatever. If the machine is working they clean it up, If its scuffed up
they sell it cheaper
These machines are not on the market because they are U/S. They are on
the market because some service company who supplied then on a contract
hire basis, or some company who has a service policy, decided that they
were too old to actually be covered by a service contract, and they had
already depreciated off the asset register anyway so were technically
worthless.
The company makes a small paper profit selling them on in bulk
> Technically most of the Linux boxes at work were refurbs. As Win10
> machines that couldn't be upgraded were replaced, IT would wipe the drives
> and give them to programming. And run. They didn't want to know anything
> about Linux.
Yes. That is another reason these machines are sold on. Too old to run
the latest shite from Gates et al.
Surprised your company repurposed them.,
--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"
- John K Galbraith
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-23 01:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neuvdqF5rktU17@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90360 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 23:41:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Yes. That is another reason these machines are sold on. Too old to run > the latest shite from Gates et al. > > Surprised your company repurposed them., They realized the programmers were perfectly happy loading Linux on them. We did get new Dell Windows 11 boxes during the transition. They did offer the replaced laptops and desktops to the employees first before selling them to a recycler. At the time my Dell desktop was the same generation and I didn't need another laptop. Compared to replacing the Windows boxes in a mostly Windows shop keeping the programmers content was a minor point. We could also get hand-me-down monitors. Other than mirroring a laptop on a real screen I've never cared for multiple monitors so I passed.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 13:42 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <116c5f1$14s8e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #90293 |
On 2026/8/21 18:43:29, Carlos E.R. wrote: [] > I rented a car this past week, a Fiat 600e, and it had both TomTom > navigation and Android Auto included in the large secondary screen. > > According to <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bTofng6Hjo> TomTom is > dead. But I looked at their website and they are selling several > hardware models, some of them for profesional drivers. > > One new feature (for me) is entering in the config the size and weight > of the vehicle. > Last time I bought a standalone device, I bought an XGODY - no, I'd not heard of them before either, but it came with a bigger screen and for a lot lower price than any of the alternatives, as well as bluetooth connectivity and an FM tramsmitter (so I could in theory use it to get a smartphone to play through the car which doesn't have that facility - also, which is what I used it for mostly, am mp3 player). Yes, it had the facility to enter assorted lorry (truck) parameters, presumably so it could select routes that take those into account. Came with maps of most of the world; I only used the UK ones, but they seemed fine. 3D views if wanted, also lane markings/signage at many exits. I was very pleased with it - yes some slight quirks, but easily got used to. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The beauty of a double entendre is that it only means one thing - attributed to Ronnie Barker
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-22 19:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neubsaF5rktU7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90338 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 13:42:07 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > Yes, it had the > facility to enter assorted lorry (truck) parameters, presumably so it > could select routes that take those into account. Back in the '90s when I was driving OTR I would have killed for one of those. Paper maps were good as far as they went. When you called the consignee and asked for local directions you hoped you weren't talking to a secretary who described the route she took with her Honda Civic. Cellphones would have been great too. Nothing like looking for a working payphone when you're driving a 65' long RV.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 20:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <nep4vcFpub2U32@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90213 |
On 20 Aug 2026 15:41:47 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Case in point: In Queensland (Australia), we encountered a couple with > a car and caravan who were about to take a 500km detour, because the > road they were on was not on their dedicated device and they didn't dare > to continue. We could show them that the road would take them where they > wanted to go, saving them some 400km. There have been several tragic episodes in the US for the opposite reason. The GPS showed a shortcut that would require 4WD or wasn't maintained in the winter. I have placed a couple of geocaches that played off my knowing the DeLorme maps many people used didn't reflect reality. One was a bridge that had been pedestrian only since the '80s and had washed out entirely in '96. Another inexplicably showed a road leading up a ridge. There was no evidence there had ever been a road. There was a trail that would challenge a mountain goat in places. The more rural the area the less frequently the map is updated. Much of the work I did involved GIS both to locate the call for service location and to provide routing for the emergency responders. part of the task for a new site was reviewing the GIS data they submitted. Errors included different segments of a street with the same street numbers, completely different streets with the same name, street segments that failed to connect to an intersection and were not routable, and so forth. I did web map applications using the Esri API and the basemaps provided by Esri. Often when the vector data used by the site was overlaid on the basemap streets would not line up. Using OSM basemaps had the same problem, as did satellite imagery. Sometimes when traveling I'll play along with the GPS. Heading north on 93 in Las Vegas feeds you onto interstates but you swing off to the west before going east. The algorithm saw that as inefficient and directed me onto surface streets. Not only were there stop lights and more traffic but it led through parts of North LV where most people prefer not to go.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 20:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <HpJhS.11662$VnG4.7499@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #90231 |
On 2026-08-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > Much of the work I did involved GIS both to locate the call for service > location and to provide routing for the emergency responders. part of the > task for a new site was reviewing the GIS data they submitted. Errors > included different segments of a street with the same street numbers, > completely different streets with the same name, street segments that > failed to connect to an intersection and were not routable, and so forth. The street we live on is a one-block segment, terminated by a school at each end. On the other side of one of the schools the street continues for another block. It took a while for Google Maps to get that second segment properly into its database. From time to time I would see a delivery van stopped outside our house with a confused driver trying to figure out why the house numbers didn't match up. I helped more than one such driver on his way. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | In this world there are \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | two kinds of people: X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | 1. Those who can extrapolate / \ if you read it the right way. | from incomplete data.
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2026-08-20 21:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <slrn118eror.td0.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #90235 |
On 2026-08-20, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote: > On 2026-08-20, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> Much of the work I did involved GIS both to locate the call for service >> location and to provide routing for the emergency responders. part of the >> task for a new site was reviewing the GIS data they submitted. Errors >> included different segments of a street with the same street numbers, >> completely different streets with the same name, street segments that >> failed to connect to an intersection and were not routable, and so forth. > > The street we live on is a one-block segment, terminated by a school > at each end. On the other side of one of the schools the street > continues for another block. It took a while for Google Maps to > get that second segment properly into its database. From time to > time I would see a delivery van stopped outside our house with a > confused driver trying to figure out why the house numbers didn't > match up. I helped more than one such driver on his way. As somebody mentioned earlier, there have been tragic consequences of bad GPS and similar data. Several years ago, a family got stuck in snow on a recommended road. I think they were going between Grants Pass and Gold Beach. The dad tried to find help, but his body was found not very far from the vehicle. When mapquest.com was relatively new (maybe 2005-2010), when asked for a route to an address in the south-western portions of Dayton, Oregon, USA from somewhere north and east of Dayton, the route would include a step of making a left-hand turn from Hwy 18 onto SE Fletcher Rd aka 8th St. The problem is that crossing is an overpass with no way for a vehicle to get between the two roads at that location. I filed a few bug reports. It took a year or two but they eventually fixed it. Google Streetview has an annoying misfeature I run into from time to time. I'll be following a highway in Streetview, but the view will jump either upward or downward to another road that crosses the one I had been on. If anyone knows a way to prevent or recover from that problem, I'd be happy to hear about it. Thanks. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2026-08-21 03:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT |
| Message-ID | <neq0ggFpub2U47@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #90241 |
On 20 Aug 2026 21:18:19 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > As somebody mentioned earlier, there have been tragic consequences of > bad GPS and similar data. Several years ago, a family got stuck in snow > on a recommended road. I think they were going between Grants Pass and > Gold Beach. The dad tried to find help, but his body was found not very > far from the vehicle. I've been over that route in the summer and was quite happy to get to Gold Beach. I did stop to hike up Mount Bolivar. https://journeywithstevenmichael.blogspot.com/2008/12/mount-bolivar.html It's deceptive in that the road is paved and well maintained along the Rogue River. Then you get to the launch point for the rafters. The road crosses the river and is gravel with unmarked junctions, swinging well away from the river until you get near Gold Beach. Given that it was winter, turning around at the raft launch area would have been a good idea. > When mapquest.com was relatively new (maybe 2005-2010), when asked for a > route to an address in the south-western portions of Dayton, Oregon, USA > from somewhere north and east of Dayton, the route would include a step > of making a left-hand turn from Hwy 18 onto SE Fletcher Rd aka 8th St. > The problem is that crossing is an overpass with no way for a vehicle to > get between the two roads at that location. I filed a few bug reports. > It took a year or two but they eventually fixed it. Different formats are used for vector data. Navteq used the Z axis so if a segment broke on an overpass it could have the same to/from X and Y coordinates as the street below but a different Z. Some of our clients sourced their data from Navteq but our code didn't handle the Z axis. I wrote a utility that would search for non-zero Z values and offset the coordinates by a few feet so they wouldn't appear to intersect with the street below. A lot of geodata needs a little groom and clean so it will route cleanly.
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