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| Started by | Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-11-12 04:49 -0800 |
| Last post | 2018-11-12 12:53 -0500 |
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Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 04:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 05:11 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 07:42 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 08:01 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-12 16:19 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 08:32 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 01:04 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:17 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:24 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 21:51 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 02:02 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:27 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 01:34 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:21 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 18:58 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 21:35 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 13:04 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-13 07:35 -0600
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 14:00 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 07:17 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 15:49 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 08:51 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 17:26 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 10:11 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 10:38 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 20:05 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:22 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 14:47 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 23:46 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 16:19 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 18:32 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 18:54 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 03:56 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 10:52 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-13 20:01 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 12:44 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:00 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 13:31 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 00:02 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 18:43 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 04:12 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 08:01 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 18:28 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 11:22 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 19:47 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 12:07 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 20:29 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 12:59 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-14 21:44 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 13:53 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 14:18 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 15:07 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 02:03 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 20:01 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 04:17 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 20:42 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 04:58 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 07:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 08:21 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 16:31 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 09:00 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:30 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 09:50 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 18:04 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 10:58 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 20:25 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 13:04 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 20:25 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 11:17 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 08:59 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 13:02 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:42 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 09:51 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 18:01 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 10:06 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 20:42 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 17:06 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 22:31 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 17:34 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 22:49 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:04 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:24 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:56 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:11 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 14:53 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 14:57 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:17 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:24 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 14:48 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 23:24 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:25 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:31 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 23:33 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:45 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 00:02 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:14 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 00:26 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:43 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 00:56 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 17:16 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 01:28 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 21:22 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 17:44 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 19:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 22:24 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 19:42 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 00:48 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 19:54 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 17:12 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 20:09 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 17:12 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 21:37 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 08:22 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-16 11:49 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 17:28 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 09:29 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 09:04 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 11:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 08:53 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 09:50 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 17:08 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 09:53 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 18:11 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 10:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-16 13:06 -0600
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 11:09 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 19:33 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 11:35 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 19:43 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-16 19:00 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 17:25 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 09:08 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 19:29 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 12:01 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 20:21 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 12:27 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 13:52 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 14:02 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 23:23 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 08:56 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 10:52 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-16 13:23 -0700
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 11:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 13:09 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 10:59 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 17:07 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-14 16:43 -0700
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 12:50 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 11:51 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 20:13 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 21:14 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-14 09:51 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 07:23 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 08:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 11:19 -0600
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 06:44 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 05:41 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:23 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 12:40 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 09:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 12:53 -0500
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-13 18:43 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <69704c78-af2a-4598-824c-ee0e4d0c3562@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477175 |
On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 5:02:39 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 1:01:58 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 10:26:27 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: > >> > > >> > (snip) > >> > > >> >> I've noticed the tendency of some guitarists to heap praise on certain > >> >> players who are no doubt technically capable, but who have never managed > >> >> to gain a popular following because they just don't play anything that > >> >> anybody wants to hear. I think that praise has more to do with defensive > >> >> exclusivity, keeping those players "theirs" and feigning an imaginary > >> >> "inside knowledge" or "sophisticated ear" that just does not present > >> >> itself to a non-guitarist listener, or even most guitarists in general, > >> >> for that matter, I'm happy to say. > >> > > >> > Name one of the guitarists from any of the bands you've posted who > >> > can improvise a solo over a complex set of chords like this: > >> > > >> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3e0BZTsXQ> > >> > > >> > My take: people who are casual listeners don't give credit where it's > >> > due because they can't, they haven't put the time in to the intricacies > >> > of art on a higher level than the commercial stuff they're used to > >> > listening to. Angus Young is now 63 years of age, even now, I'd bet > >> > my legs he wouldn't even be able to grasp a feel for the chord chart, > >> > much less play over the changes. Why? Because doing so actually > >> > *does* require "inside knowledge"... musical knowledge... and a > >> > "sophisticated ear", both of which Ford clearly had in abundance at > >> > 30 years of age. > >> > >> Dude, you just don't get it. Nobody wants to hear those chords at all, > > > > Nobody who is an average listener, perhaps... but there are plenty of > > people who do listen. > > > > But even they don't like what it does to their ears. They like the > challenge of mining the details of what makes it "great" (since that's > never obvious). > > >> much less anybody wanking around them. :) > > > > Seems it has something in common with Linux ;) > > I'd say it has more in common with Mack, since snobbery and metaphorical > badge display seem to be a big part of jazz. Is there really anything to > *like* about jazz, other than admiration for a player accomplishing > something that may be technically difficult? It's not just technical. That you don't associate with the elements in it that evoke emotion in you is only because you're not familiar with those elements. Let's try an experiment... start at this point: <https://youtu.be/pl3e0BZTsXQ?t=97> Then stop it at 1:43 What did you hear? I'll try to describe to you what I hear: The first line starts with a smooth bend, this is followed by a 'wah-like' (and sustained) release note that ends the line at 1:40. Bluesy... Then comes a little melodic sequence that 'answers' the first line... the way blues players are known for, but then it changes... At 1:44 the longer third and fourth lines 'answer' the 2nd in the most tasteful fashion as he hooks into the harmonic changes seamlessly with triplets, trilling his way down the neck only to change direction on the line at 1:49, where it's like he's got something to tell you that's so urgent he can barely squeeze it all in, yet, you hear every note *perfectly*. By the time you get to 1:52, unless you're brain dead, you begin to realize you're being told a 'story', this f*cker is talking to you through his guitar! And it's not just a casual conversation, it alternately ebbs and flows in a way that you can't help but listen intently. Look at his mouth, fercrissakes, it's as if the guitar stings have taken over his vocal chords but forget to tell his lips ;) > Where does the emotional > bond with the music come in? Because, honestly, I just don't get anything > at all from jazz. If you honestly got nothing from that solo then I dunno what to tell you...
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 04:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sacxvb903g8a.3h3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477193 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 5:02:39 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 1:01:58 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 10:26:27 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> >> > >> >> > (snip) >> >> > >> >> >> I've noticed the tendency of some guitarists to heap praise on certain >> >> >> players who are no doubt technically capable, but who have never managed >> >> >> to gain a popular following because they just don't play anything that >> >> >> anybody wants to hear. I think that praise has more to do with defensive >> >> >> exclusivity, keeping those players "theirs" and feigning an imaginary >> >> >> "inside knowledge" or "sophisticated ear" that just does not present >> >> >> itself to a non-guitarist listener, or even most guitarists in general, >> >> >> for that matter, I'm happy to say. >> >> > >> >> > Name one of the guitarists from any of the bands you've posted who >> >> > can improvise a solo over a complex set of chords like this: >> >> > >> >> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3e0BZTsXQ> >> >> > >> >> > My take: people who are casual listeners don't give credit where it's >> >> > due because they can't, they haven't put the time in to the intricacies >> >> > of art on a higher level than the commercial stuff they're used to >> >> > listening to. Angus Young is now 63 years of age, even now, I'd bet >> >> > my legs he wouldn't even be able to grasp a feel for the chord chart, >> >> > much less play over the changes. Why? Because doing so actually >> >> > *does* require "inside knowledge"... musical knowledge... and a >> >> > "sophisticated ear", both of which Ford clearly had in abundance at >> >> > 30 years of age. >> >> >> >> Dude, you just don't get it. Nobody wants to hear those chords at all, >> > >> > Nobody who is an average listener, perhaps... but there are plenty of >> > people who do listen. >> > >> >> But even they don't like what it does to their ears. They like the >> challenge of mining the details of what makes it "great" (since that's >> never obvious). >> >> >> much less anybody wanking around them. :) >> > >> > Seems it has something in common with Linux ;) >> >> I'd say it has more in common with Mack, since snobbery and metaphorical >> badge display seem to be a big part of jazz. Is there really anything to >> *like* about jazz, other than admiration for a player accomplishing >> something that may be technically difficult? > > It's not just technical. That you don't associate with the elements in > it that evoke emotion in you is only because you're not familiar with > those elements. Let's try an experiment... start at this point: > > <https://youtu.be/pl3e0BZTsXQ?t=97> > > Then stop it at 1:43 > > What did you hear? > Elevator music. > I'll try to describe to you what I hear: > > The first line starts with a smooth bend, this is followed by a 'wah-like' > (and sustained) release note that ends the line at 1:40. Bluesy... > > Then comes a little melodic sequence that 'answers' the first line... the > way blues players are known for, but then it changes... > > At 1:44 the longer third and fourth lines 'answer' the 2nd in the most > tasteful fashion as he hooks into the harmonic changes seamlessly with > triplets, trilling his way down the neck only to change direction on the line > at 1:49, where it's like he's got something to tell you that's so urgent he > can barely squeeze it all in, yet, you hear every note *perfectly*. > > By the time you get to 1:52, unless you're brain dead, you begin to realize > you're being told a 'story', this f*cker is talking to you through his guitar! > And it's not just a casual conversation, it alternately ebbs and flows in a > way that you can't help but listen intently. Look at his mouth, fercrissakes, > it's as if the guitar stings have taken over his vocal chords but forget to > tell his lips ;) > You're seriously overthinking this music thing. Let me try your approach though. OK, here's what I get from a random hard-rock song featuring a genuine guitar god who knew it wasn't always about shredding (even though he essentially created the art). 0:34-0:44 "Something's getting ready to happen." 0:45-0:50 The tease. 0:51-1:01 "Pay attention now." 1:02-1:09 "Yes, it's me, Ritchie" 1:11-1:47 ***Orgasm*** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBgAEv1OK3M >> Where does the emotional >> bond with the music come in? Because, honestly, I just don't get anything >> at all from jazz. > > If you honestly got nothing from that solo then I dunno what to tell you... No singer, no song.
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 08:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <dd084d72-f4b6-4724-8d03-b4d27824a569@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477207 |
On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 9:12:09 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: (snip) > Elevator music. In a Ghodish voice) Ooh, ooh! I'm yanking a pin feather! > You're seriously overthinking this music thing. Really? Then I'd say it's odd that you'd link to the guitarist in the band you link to below given the extent to how "seriously" he views music: “I’m not one of these guys that likes jamming with people and having fun; music is too serious, and I don’t feel like I can relate if I’m having fun. It’s hard work and it’s really gratifying to do, but fun? Fun is something where someone tells a joke and they laugh for 10 seconds. Music’s much deeper than that.” - Richie Blackmore I disagree with RB on that, you can have fun while being serious, but generally only if you're surrounded by other players who are serious. > Let me try your approach > though. OK, here's what I get from a random hard-rock song featuring a > genuine guitar god who knew it wasn't always about shredding (even though > he essentially created the art). It all depends on how you define shredding... Django Reinhardt was shredding long before RB ever picked up a guitar and did so while letting it remain "art"... not just the mindless running of scales, Django did it over complex harmony using only 2 fingers. Many of the jazz players, who were influenced by DR, were shredding in the 50's. What rock music brought with it was effects, that made people sound faster and/or hid their technical flaws. <https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/the-20-greatest-shred-guitarists-of-all-time-461030> Why isn't the 'creator' on that list? Shouldn't he be on *every* similar list being that he "created the art"? Put down the pipe, you're falling for the hype ;) > 0:34-0:44 "Something's getting ready to happen." > 0:45-0:50 The tease. > 0:51-1:01 "Pay attention now." > 1:02-1:09 "Yes, it's me, Ritchie" > 1:11-1:47 ***Orgasm*** > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBgAEv1OK3M > > > >> Where does the emotional > >> bond with the music come in? Because, honestly, I just don't get anything > >> at all from jazz. > > > > If you honestly got nothing from that solo then I dunno what to tell you... > > > No singer, no song. This dismisses tons of classical and jazz music. You know Blackmore began by studying a bit of classical guitar, right? And not only that... “I wanted to do that just like everybody else … Duane Eddy, then Hank B Marvin, then Django Reinhardt, Wes Montgomery, James Burton, Les Paul. I bought all of Les Paul’s records up until I was about 17, but after that I didn’t have any idols.”- Richie Blackmore Stop the presses! Blackmore (who thinks far too highly of himself and doesn't give his rock peers their due, especially if they're American) was influenced by Django Reinhardt, Wes Montgomery and Les Paul?! Say it ain't so! Oddly, RB has even dismissed guys like Hendrix and SRV while calling Jeff Beck a "brilliant" guitarist, you know, that guy you keep telling me has no talent. To me, part of the reason RB isn't quite what he considers himself to be is his lack of paying his blues duesto the extent many of his peers have, he dismisses blues as being too limiting, which is absurd. The blues is an open book, a sketchpad, only limited by the player's palette... and it's not just single string playing, it's also about knowing how to use chording. "Check out Guitar George. He knows all the chords": <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhv0xhPpzP4> "This is gonna sound very cocky, but I think I can improvise better than any rock guitarist." - Richie Blackmore Very cocky and very goofy, even if he confined that statement to British guitarists of the time it'd be debatable.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 18:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sz9b0803ga.bio4@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477257 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 9:12:09 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > (snip) > >> Elevator music. > > In a Ghodish voice) > Ooh, ooh! I'm yanking a pin feather! > >> You're seriously overthinking this music thing. > > Really? Then I'd say it's odd that you'd link to the guitarist in the band > you link to below given the extent to how "seriously" he views music: > > “I’m not one of these guys that likes jamming with people and having fun; > music is too serious, and I don’t feel like I can relate if I’m having fun. It’s > hard work and it’s really gratifying to do, but fun? Fun is something where > someone tells a joke and they laugh for 10 seconds. Music’s much deeper > than that.” - Richie Blackmore > > I disagree with RB on that, you can have fun while being serious, but > generally only if you're surrounded by other players who are serious. > Being emotional about the music does not mean "having fun." >> Let me try your approach >> though. OK, here's what I get from a random hard-rock song featuring a >> genuine guitar god who knew it wasn't always about shredding (even though >> he essentially created the art). > > It all depends on how you define shredding... > > Django Reinhardt was shredding long before RB ever picked up a guitar > and did so while letting it remain "art"... not just the mindless running of > scales, Django did it over complex harmony using only 2 fingers. Many > of the jazz players, who were influenced by DR, were shredding in the > 50's. What rock music brought with it was effects, that made people > sound faster and/or hid their technical flaws. > > <https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/the-20-greatest-shred-guitarists-of-all-time-461030> > > Why isn't the 'creator' on that list? Shouldn't he be on *every* similar list > being that he "created the art"? > > Put down the pipe, you're falling for the hype ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar#History <quote> History[edit]  Ritchie Blackmore, best known as the guitarist of Deep Purple and Rainbow was an early shredder. He founded Deep Purple in 1968 and combined elements of blues, jazz and classical into his high speed, virtuostic rock guitar playing. Songs like 'Highway Star' or 'Burn' from Deep Purple and 'Gates of Babylon' from Rainbow are great examples of early shred. Blackmore separated himself from the pack with his use of complex arpeggios and harmonic minor scales. His influence on Randy Rhoads and Yngwie Malmsteen was definitive for the evolution of the genre.[2] </quote> Hmm... Mr Bojangles is mentioned nowhere on that page. > >> 0:34-0:44 "Something's getting ready to happen." >> 0:45-0:50 The tease. >> 0:51-1:01 "Pay attention now." >> 1:02-1:09 "Yes, it's me, Ritchie" >> 1:11-1:47 ***Orgasm*** >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBgAEv1OK3M >> >> >> >> Where does the emotional >> >> bond with the music come in? Because, honestly, I just don't get anything >> >> at all from jazz. >> > >> > If you honestly got nothing from that solo then I dunno what to tell you... >> >> >> No singer, no song. > > This dismisses tons of classical and jazz music. I'm talking about guitar. Of course classical "can be done" without singers lol. And I stand by my claim that a violin is better suited to carrying a song by itself than is a guitar. > You know Blackmore > began by studying a bit of classical guitar, right? And not only that... > > “I wanted to do that just like everybody else … Duane Eddy, then Hank B > Marvin, then Django Reinhardt, Wes Montgomery, James Burton, Les Paul. > I bought all of Les Paul’s records up until I was about 17, but after that I > didn’t have any idols.”- Richie Blackmore > > Stop the presses! Blackmore (who thinks far too highly of himself and > doesn't give his rock peers their due, especially if they're American) > was influenced by Django Reinhardt, I take back everything I said. This man was a god. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ciC66ODzc > Wes Montgomery and Les Paul?! > Say it ain't so! Oddly, RB has even dismissed guys like Hendrix and SRV > while calling Jeff Beck a "brilliant" guitarist, you know, that guy you > keep telling me has no talent. > > To me, part of the reason RB isn't quite what he considers himself to be > is his lack of paying his blues duesto the extent many of his peers have, > he dismisses blues as being too limiting, which is absurd. The blues is an > open book, a sketchpad, only limited by the player's palette... and it's not > just single string playing, it's also about knowing how to use chording. > "Check out Guitar George. He knows all the chords": > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhv0xhPpzP4> > > "This is gonna sound very cocky, but I think I can improvise better than > any rock guitarist." - Richie Blackmore > > Very cocky and very goofy, even if he confined that statement to British > guitarists of the time it'd be debatable. Blackmore is kind of a nut, but he is one of the greatest guitarists of all time.
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 11:22 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bb64eed0-5ffe-4a3b-8aa5-c6b7e4aecc8b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477301 |
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 9:12:09 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > > > (snip) > > > >> Elevator music. > > > > In a Ghodish voice) > > Ooh, ooh! I'm yanking a pin feather! > > > >> You're seriously overthinking this music thing. > > > > Really? Then I'd say it's odd that you'd link to the guitarist in the band > > you link to below given the extent to how "seriously" he views music: > > > > “I’m not one of these guys that likes jamming with people and having fun; > > music is too serious, and I don’t feel like I can relate if I’m having fun. It’s > > hard work and it’s really gratifying to do, but fun? Fun is something where > > someone tells a joke and they laugh for 10 seconds. Music’s much deeper > > than that.” - Richie Blackmore > > > > I disagree with RB on that, you can have fun while being serious, but > > generally only if you're surrounded by other players who are serious. > > > > Being emotional about the music does not mean "having fun." ??? What has that to do with me thinking seriously about music? Or with RB being serious about music? > >> Let me try your approach > >> though. OK, here's what I get from a random hard-rock song featuring a > >> genuine guitar god who knew it wasn't always about shredding (even though > >> he essentially created the art). > > > > It all depends on how you define shredding... > > > > Django Reinhardt was shredding long before RB ever picked up a guitar > > and did so while letting it remain "art"... not just the mindless running of > > scales, Django did it over complex harmony using only 2 fingers. Many > > of the jazz players, who were influenced by DR, were shredding in the > > 50's. What rock music brought with it was effects, that made people > > sound faster and/or hid their technical flaws. > > > > <https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/the-20-greatest-shred-guitarists-of-all-time-461030> > > > > Why isn't the 'creator' on that list? Shouldn't he be on *every* similar list > > being that he "created the art"? > > > > Put down the pipe, you're falling for the hype ;) > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar#History > <quote> > History[edit] >  > Ritchie Blackmore, best known as the guitarist of Deep Purple and > Rainbow was an early shredder. He was "an" early shredder, not 'the' earliest shredder known to man. > >> 0:34-0:44 "Something's getting ready to happen." > >> 0:45-0:50 The tease. > >> 0:51-1:01 "Pay attention now." > >> 1:02-1:09 "Yes, it's me, Ritchie" > >> 1:11-1:47 ***Orgasm*** > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBgAEv1OK3M > >> > >> > >> >> Where does the emotional > >> >> bond with the music come in? Because, honestly, I just don't get anything > >> >> at all from jazz. > >> > > >> > If you honestly got nothing from that solo then I dunno what to tell you... > >> > >> > >> No singer, no song. > > > > This dismisses tons of classical and jazz music. > > I'm talking about guitar. Looked to me like you were talking about a "singer" and expressing the idea that if one is missing there's no "song" <shrug>. > Of course classical "can be done" without > singers lol. And I stand by my claim that a violin is better suited > to carrying a song by itself than is a guitar. And *again*, that depends on how you define 'carry a tune'... first you have to define what a 'tune' is... I define it as something that contains harmony and melody. A single violin doesn't offer the opportunity to do that very well, "even in the best of hands" because, as I said, it can realistically only play double stops well and there isn't the opportunity to put a melody on top of those stops while you're playing them. Chord (fragment) melody doesn't work out too well. > > You know Blackmore > > began by studying a bit of classical guitar, right? And not only that... > > > > “I wanted to do that just like everybody else … Duane Eddy, then Hank B > > Marvin, then Django Reinhardt, Wes Montgomery, James Burton, Les Paul. > > I bought all of Les Paul’s records up until I was about 17, but after that I > > didn’t have any idols.”- Richie Blackmore > > > > Stop the presses! Blackmore (who thinks far too highly of himself and > > doesn't give his rock peers their due, especially if they're American) > > was influenced by Django Reinhardt, > > > I take back everything I said. This man was a god. :) > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ciC66ODzc It sounds like that due to wear, including the obvious dropouts. Why do you think even guys like RB listened to him? > > Wes Montgomery and Les Paul?! > > Say it ain't so! Oddly, RB has even dismissed guys like Hendrix and SRV > > while calling Jeff Beck a "brilliant" guitarist, you know, that guy you > > keep telling me has no talent. > > > > To me, part of the reason RB isn't quite what he considers himself to be > > is his lack of paying his blues duesto the extent many of his peers have, > > he dismisses blues as being too limiting, which is absurd. The blues is an > > open book, a sketchpad, only limited by the player's palette... and it's not > > just single string playing, it's also about knowing how to use chording. > > "Check out Guitar George. He knows all the chords": > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhv0xhPpzP4> > > > > "This is gonna sound very cocky, but I think I can improvise better than > > any rock guitarist." - Richie Blackmore > > > > Very cocky and very goofy, even if he confined that statement to British > > guitarists of the time it'd be debatable. > > > Blackmore is kind of a nut, but he is one of the greatest guitarists of > all time. Not even close... but I'm sure you can find some list he's on that claims it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking him, he's great, but there are *tons* of guys who are great. I'm talking about guys who are unique and great. "I was impressed by Hendrix. Not so much by his playing, as his attitude— he wasn't a great player..." - Ritchie Blackmore "... I'm surprised everybody thinks he [SRV] was such a brilliant player..." - Ritchie Blackmore And what he said about Satriani? Ridiculous. Govan on RB's dissing of Joe: -- "It amuses me that someone from that generation looks for the fastest, most technically proficient player so they can pick on him. "And they always go for Joe Satriani: 'Leaves me cold,' etc. And he's the worst possible target because he's such a melodically aware player. Let's give Joe a break: he's a real musician, he's a real guitar player; he has a voice of his own and it’s very human. "But it puzzles me when people have to dismiss something largely because they can't do it, especially when back in the day they would have lapped up the air of mystery around them because they could do what most other guitar players couldn't, and maybe they miss that now." -- Blackmore claimed Joe is soul-less, yet, he likes Malmsteen. WTF? "So, Yngwie and I get along well, he's like a family member, I definitely think he's probably the best at what he does and, for what he's worth, the fastest, and he does not play the typical blues, minor interpretations, he knows his scales, it's more interesting." - Ritchie Blackmore Anyone can hear that Yngwie's playing, while technically phenomenal, is not what you consider to be as soulful as what Joe does (when he's not trying to burn), Malmsteen's tone just isn't suited to convey 'soul' in that way. The reality is... RB's so full of himself he's as delusional as Crackhead and, like Cracky, he disses people who challenge his (fragile) view of himself.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 19:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <szxbv083.ahgu3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477313 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 9:12:09 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> > >> > (snip) >> > >> >> Elevator music. >> > >> > In a Ghodish voice) >> > Ooh, ooh! I'm yanking a pin feather! >> > >> >> You're seriously overthinking this music thing. >> > >> > Really? Then I'd say it's odd that you'd link to the guitarist in the band >> > you link to below given the extent to how "seriously" he views music: >> > >> > “I’m not one of these guys that likes jamming with people and having fun; >> > music is too serious, and I don’t feel like I can relate if I’m having fun. It’s >> > hard work and it’s really gratifying to do, but fun? Fun is something where >> > someone tells a joke and they laugh for 10 seconds. Music’s much deeper >> > than that.” - Richie Blackmore >> > >> > I disagree with RB on that, you can have fun while being serious, but >> > generally only if you're surrounded by other players who are serious. >> > >> >> Being emotional about the music does not mean "having fun." > > ??? What has that to do with me thinking seriously about music? > Or with RB being serious about music? > >> >> Let me try your approach >> >> though. OK, here's what I get from a random hard-rock song featuring a >> >> genuine guitar god who knew it wasn't always about shredding (even though >> >> he essentially created the art). >> > >> > It all depends on how you define shredding... >> > >> > Django Reinhardt was shredding long before RB ever picked up a guitar >> > and did so while letting it remain "art"... not just the mindless running of >> > scales, Django did it over complex harmony using only 2 fingers. Many >> > of the jazz players, who were influenced by DR, were shredding in the >> > 50's. What rock music brought with it was effects, that made people >> > sound faster and/or hid their technical flaws. >> > >> > <https://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/the-20-greatest-shred-guitarists-of-all-time-461030> >> > >> > Why isn't the 'creator' on that list? Shouldn't he be on *every* similar list >> > being that he "created the art"? >> > >> > Put down the pipe, you're falling for the hype ;) >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar#History >> <quote> >> History[edit] >>  >> Ritchie Blackmore, best known as the guitarist of Deep Purple and >> Rainbow was an early shredder. > > He was "an" early shredder, not 'the' earliest shredder known to man. > >> >> 0:34-0:44 "Something's getting ready to happen." >> >> 0:45-0:50 The tease. >> >> 0:51-1:01 "Pay attention now." >> >> 1:02-1:09 "Yes, it's me, Ritchie" >> >> 1:11-1:47 ***Orgasm*** >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBgAEv1OK3M >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Where does the emotional >> >> >> bond with the music come in? Because, honestly, I just don't get anything >> >> >> at all from jazz. >> >> > >> >> > If you honestly got nothing from that solo then I dunno what to tell you... >> >> >> >> >> >> No singer, no song. >> > >> > This dismisses tons of classical and jazz music. >> >> I'm talking about guitar. > > Looked to me like you were talking about a "singer" and expressing the > idea that if one is missing there's no "song" <shrug>. > >> Of course classical "can be done" without >> singers lol. And I stand by my claim that a violin is better suited >> to carrying a song by itself than is a guitar. > > And *again*, that depends on how you define 'carry a tune'... first you > have to define what a 'tune' is... I define it as something that contains > harmony and melody. A single violin doesn't offer the opportunity to > do that very well, "even in the best of hands" because, as I said, it can > realistically only play double stops well and there isn't the opportunity > to put a melody on top of those stops while you're playing them. Chord > (fragment) melody doesn't work out too well. > >> > You know Blackmore >> > began by studying a bit of classical guitar, right? And not only that... >> > >> > “I wanted to do that just like everybody else … Duane Eddy, then Hank B >> > Marvin, then Django Reinhardt, Wes Montgomery, James Burton, Les Paul. >> > I bought all of Les Paul’s records up until I was about 17, but after that I >> > didn’t have any idols.”- Richie Blackmore >> > >> > Stop the presses! Blackmore (who thinks far too highly of himself and >> > doesn't give his rock peers their due, especially if they're American) >> > was influenced by Django Reinhardt, >> >> >> I take back everything I said. This man was a god. :) >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ciC66ODzc > > It sounds like that due to wear, including the obvious dropouts. > Why do you think even guys like RB listened to him? > >> > Wes Montgomery and Les Paul?! >> > Say it ain't so! Oddly, RB has even dismissed guys like Hendrix and SRV >> > while calling Jeff Beck a "brilliant" guitarist, you know, that guy you >> > keep telling me has no talent. >> > >> > To me, part of the reason RB isn't quite what he considers himself to be >> > is his lack of paying his blues duesto the extent many of his peers have, >> > he dismisses blues as being too limiting, which is absurd. The blues is an >> > open book, a sketchpad, only limited by the player's palette... and it's not >> > just single string playing, it's also about knowing how to use chording. >> > "Check out Guitar George. He knows all the chords": >> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhv0xhPpzP4> >> > >> > "This is gonna sound very cocky, but I think I can improvise better than >> > any rock guitarist." - Richie Blackmore >> > >> > Very cocky and very goofy, even if he confined that statement to British >> > guitarists of the time it'd be debatable. >> >> >> Blackmore is kind of a nut, but he is one of the greatest guitarists of >> all time. > > Not even close... LOL! > but I'm sure you can find some list he's on that claims it. > Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking him, he's great, but there are *tons* > of guys who are great. I'm talking about guys who are unique and great. > > "I was impressed by Hendrix. Not so much by his playing, as his attitude— > he wasn't a great player..." - Ritchie Blackmore > > "... I'm surprised everybody thinks he [SRV] was such a brilliant player..." > - Ritchie Blackmore > > And what he said about Satriani? Ridiculous. Govan on RB's dissing of Joe: > > -- > "It amuses me that someone from that generation looks for the fastest, > most technically proficient player so they can pick on him. > > "And they always go for Joe Satriani: 'Leaves me cold,' etc. And he's the > worst possible target because he's such a melodically aware player. Let's > give Joe a break: he's a real musician, he's a real guitar player; he has a > voice of his own and it’s very human. > > "But it puzzles me when people have to dismiss something largely because > they can't do it, especially when back in the day they would have lapped up > the air of mystery around them because they could do what most other guitar > players couldn't, and maybe they miss that now." > -- > > Blackmore claimed Joe is soul-less, yet, he likes Malmsteen. WTF? > Satriani I can bear for about 15 minutes at a time. Vai not so much. Satriani is also an all around nice guy. > "So, Yngwie and I get along well, he's like a family member, I definitely think > he's probably the best at what he does and, for what he's worth, the fastest, > and he does not play the typical blues, minor interpretations, he knows his > scales, it's more interesting." - Ritchie Blackmore > > Anyone can hear that Yngwie's playing, while technically phenomenal, is not > what you consider to be as soulful as what Joe does (when he's not trying to > burn), Malmsteen's tone just isn't suited to convey 'soul' in that way. > > The reality is... RB's so full of himself he's as delusional as Crackhead and, > like Cracky, he disses people who challenge his (fragile) view of himself. Blackmore is definitely egotistical. But that doesn't take away from his talent. I just don't pay any attention to things he says. His music speaks for itself. As for Malmsteen, can't stand him. Ritchie probably just gives him a nod because of all the hero worship Malmsteen has poured on Ritchie over the years. I mean, the guy even scalloped his strat just like his idol.
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 12:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <77f7b73c-a66c-43e1-8a4d-0bcec51b917d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477317 |
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 12:47:28 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: (snip) > >> Blackmore is kind of a nut, but he is one of the greatest guitarists of > >> all time. > > > > Not even close... > > LOL! He isn't. You might be able to argue that about Rock guitar playing but my entire point has been about guitarists in general, not 'in genre'. (snip) > > Blackmore claimed Joe is soul-less, yet, he likes Malmsteen. WTF? > > > > Satriani I can bear for about 15 minutes at a time. Vai not so much. > Satriani is also an all around nice guy. The reason you can't is because they're doing their own thing, not playing vocal tunes, same reason I can't. But that doesn't mean I don't recognize their musicianship. > > "So, Yngwie and I get along well, he's like a family member, I definitely think > > he's probably the best at what he does and, for what he's worth, the fastest, > > and he does not play the typical blues, minor interpretations, he knows his > > scales, it's more interesting." - Ritchie Blackmore > > > > Anyone can hear that Yngwie's playing, while technically phenomenal, is not > > what you consider to be as soulful as what Joe does (when he's not trying to > > burn), Malmsteen's tone just isn't suited to convey 'soul' in that way. > > > > The reality is... RB's so full of himself he's as delusional as Crackhead and, > > like Cracky, he disses people who challenge his (fragile) view of himself. > > Blackmore is definitely egotistical. I call it delusional. > But that doesn't take away from his talent. My point is his talent is narrower than it's portrayed. > I just don't pay any attention to things he says. His music speaks > for itself. As for Malmsteen, can't stand him. Ritchie probably just gives > him a nod because of all the hero worship Malmsteen has poured on Ritchie > over the years. I mean, the guy even scalloped his strat just like his > idol. Ritchie gives him a nod because he's trying to remain a credible judge, a thing he lost when he dissed Hendrix, SRV and Satriani. Even he can't really believe some of the goofy statements he's made. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXo5fZyKdR4> Not one second of soul here... <eyeroll>. I'd love to know what RB defines as "soul" other than "searching" for notes and blowing it while you do. Joe does most of his "searching" where one should do it, in the practice room. Listen to him live and he will blow stuff but not on the same level as most... like him, or not, he's just *that* good.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 20:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sz9b0803ga.gho34@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477322 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 12:47:28 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > (snip) > >> >> Blackmore is kind of a nut, but he is one of the greatest guitarists of >> >> all time. >> > >> > Not even close... >> >> LOL! > > He isn't. You might be able to argue that about Rock guitar playing but > my entire point has been about guitarists in general, not 'in genre'. > > (snip) > >> > Blackmore claimed Joe is soul-less, yet, he likes Malmsteen. WTF? >> > >> >> Satriani I can bear for about 15 minutes at a time. Vai not so much. >> Satriani is also an all around nice guy. > > The reason you can't is because they're doing their own thing, not playing > vocal tunes, same reason I can't. But that doesn't mean I don't recognize > their musicianship. > >> > "So, Yngwie and I get along well, he's like a family member, I definitely think >> > he's probably the best at what he does and, for what he's worth, the fastest, >> > and he does not play the typical blues, minor interpretations, he knows his >> > scales, it's more interesting." - Ritchie Blackmore >> > >> > Anyone can hear that Yngwie's playing, while technically phenomenal, is not >> > what you consider to be as soulful as what Joe does (when he's not trying to >> > burn), Malmsteen's tone just isn't suited to convey 'soul' in that way. >> > >> > The reality is... RB's so full of himself he's as delusional as Crackhead and, >> > like Cracky, he disses people who challenge his (fragile) view of himself. >> >> Blackmore is definitely egotistical. > > I call it delusional. > >> But that doesn't take away from his talent. > > My point is his talent is narrower than it's portrayed. > >> I just don't pay any attention to things he says. His music speaks >> for itself. As for Malmsteen, can't stand him. Ritchie probably just gives >> him a nod because of all the hero worship Malmsteen has poured on Ritchie >> over the years. I mean, the guy even scalloped his strat just like his >> idol. > > Ritchie gives him a nod because he's trying to remain a credible judge, > a thing he lost when he dissed Hendrix, SRV and Satriani. Even he can't > really believe some of the goofy statements he's made. > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXo5fZyKdR4> > > Not one second of soul here... <eyeroll>. > > I'd love to know what RB defines as "soul" other than "searching" for notes > and blowing it while you do. Joe does most of his "searching" where one > should do it, in the practice room. Listen to him live and he will blow stuff > but not on the same level as most... like him, or not, he's just *that* good. I can be listening to Satriani and not even know it's Satriani. It could be any of a hundred other shredders. That's never the case with Blackmore. It only takes a few seconds of listening to know it's him. That's greatness. That's soul. You feel it coming out from his body into his fingers, across the airwaves and into your own soul.
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 12:59 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e4cdb743-b3aa-48c3-bfd6-9575a178821c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477327 |
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:29:06 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 12:47:28 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > > > (snip) > > > >> >> Blackmore is kind of a nut, but he is one of the greatest guitarists of > >> >> all time. > >> > > >> > Not even close... > >> > >> LOL! > > > > He isn't. You might be able to argue that about Rock guitar playing but > > my entire point has been about guitarists in general, not 'in genre'. > > > > (snip) > > > >> > Blackmore claimed Joe is soul-less, yet, he likes Malmsteen. WTF? > >> > > >> > >> Satriani I can bear for about 15 minutes at a time. Vai not so much. > >> Satriani is also an all around nice guy. > > > > The reason you can't is because they're doing their own thing, not playing > > vocal tunes, same reason I can't. But that doesn't mean I don't recognize > > their musicianship. > > > >> > "So, Yngwie and I get along well, he's like a family member, I definitely think > >> > he's probably the best at what he does and, for what he's worth, the fastest, > >> > and he does not play the typical blues, minor interpretations, he knows his > >> > scales, it's more interesting." - Ritchie Blackmore > >> > > >> > Anyone can hear that Yngwie's playing, while technically phenomenal, is not > >> > what you consider to be as soulful as what Joe does (when he's not trying to > >> > burn), Malmsteen's tone just isn't suited to convey 'soul' in that way. > >> > > >> > The reality is... RB's so full of himself he's as delusional as Crackhead and, > >> > like Cracky, he disses people who challenge his (fragile) view of himself. > >> > >> Blackmore is definitely egotistical. > > > > I call it delusional. > > > >> But that doesn't take away from his talent. > > > > My point is his talent is narrower than it's portrayed. > > > >> I just don't pay any attention to things he says. His music speaks > >> for itself. As for Malmsteen, can't stand him. Ritchie probably just gives > >> him a nod because of all the hero worship Malmsteen has poured on Ritchie > >> over the years. I mean, the guy even scalloped his strat just like his > >> idol. > > > > Ritchie gives him a nod because he's trying to remain a credible judge, > > a thing he lost when he dissed Hendrix, SRV and Satriani. Even he can't > > really believe some of the goofy statements he's made. > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXo5fZyKdR4> > > > > Not one second of soul here... <eyeroll>. > > > > I'd love to know what RB defines as "soul" other than "searching" for notes > > and blowing it while you do. Joe does most of his "searching" where one > > should do it, in the practice room. Listen to him live and he will blow stuff > > but not on the same level as most... like him, or not, he's just *that* good. > > I can be listening to Satriani and not even know it's Satriani. > It could be any of a hundred other shredders. That's never the case with > Blackmore. It only takes a few seconds of listening to know it's him. > That's greatness. That's soul. That could be (I would submit that it is) due to the fact that you're more familiar with RB than you are with JS. > You feel it coming out from his body > into his fingers, across the airwaves and into your own soul. Sigh... *every* player, no matter what the genre or level, has traits they are going to exhibit when they play, if you listen long enough and close enough you learn what they are. Someone being able to identity any given player by certain traits could be just that, even if every person who ever heard the guy play agree he has no soul. But every player does have soul, their own soul, which may not be the idea of soul someone else defines it as. You recognize RB's should because you've heard far more of it. "People like Vai and Satriani might be technical masters, but their original music is horrible, and when they try to play other genres -- usually in an attempt to show how "unsophisticed" or technically easy those genres are -- they fail utterly. They seem to have an assburger-like dissociation from the emotional aspect of music. That's also true of most jazzy stuff in general though." -owl You're not listening to Satriani so you can't identify his soul, like Jazz, it all sounds the same to you. I even understand why it does... but it isn't. I can't listen to the shredder styles for any length of time myself, especially if it's *all* guitar oriented stuff. But I have listened to most of the best ones long enough to see what's up with musicianship, same goes for guitarists in a number of other genres. Guitarists obsess over this kind of sh*t. I know guys near our age who dismiss Roy Clark or Glen Campbell simply because they hate these genres. Absurd. Both of them play their asses off. These people also diss guys like Danny Gatton and Albert Lee for the same reason! WTF?
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 21:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <psk9z0b803.ah3yy@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477332 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:29:06 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> I can be listening to Satriani and not even know it's Satriani. >> It could be any of a hundred other shredders. That's never the case with >> Blackmore. It only takes a few seconds of listening to know it's him. >> That's greatness. That's soul. > > That could be (I would submit that it is) due to the fact that you're > more familiar with RB than you are with JS. > No, I mean even with his stuff I've not heard before. As an example, when this song came out, I did not recognize it was Rainbow, because of the new lead singer. But even with the very opening riffs I suspected it was Blackmore, and by the time it got to this solo, I knew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByGwgm_vRs&t=2m44s He has a distinctive touch and phrasing that's just like nobody else.
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 13:53 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c0f23ac7-5f0c-4cf1-831c-c8fd40351767@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477337 |
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 2:44:05 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:29:06 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > >> I can be listening to Satriani and not even know it's Satriani. > >> It could be any of a hundred other shredders. That's never the case with > >> Blackmore. It only takes a few seconds of listening to know it's him. > >> That's greatness. That's soul. > > > > That could be (I would submit that it is) due to the fact that you're > > more familiar with RB than you are with JS. > > > > No, I mean even with his stuff I've not heard before. > As an example, when this song came out, I did not recognize it > was Rainbow, because of the new lead singer. But even with the > very opening riffs I suspected it was Blackmore, and by the time > it got to this solo, I knew: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByGwgm_vRs&t=2m44s > > He has a distinctive touch and phrasing that's just like nobody else. Plenty of posters persist in responding to Flooder Steve Carroll. To be honest, I don't indict F. Russell for having his dander up but, frankly, I can't figure out why he writes here now that he gets what this place is. F. Russell is hoping for conversations as done in a serious group and support groups clearly will never work for him. On and on. You're again trying to bolster yourself beyond your grade. You're the court jester and your many witless tasks show this. If the content is a bunch of rambling baby sh*t. 2+2= I know the flooder is Flooder Steve Carroll, who is a programmer but I don't know if it could be used to spam like this. - Live on Kickstarter https://youtu.be/qwb1Ez0GWMA Jonas Eklundh
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 14:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d501cbe4-ea6c-4fad-9ba3-46d68748d8d2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477337 |
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 2:44:05 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:29:06 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > >> I can be listening to Satriani and not even know it's Satriani. > >> It could be any of a hundred other shredders. That's never the case with > >> Blackmore. It only takes a few seconds of listening to know it's him. > >> That's greatness. That's soul. > > > > That could be (I would submit that it is) due to the fact that you're > > more familiar with RB than you are with JS. > > > > No, I mean even with his stuff I've not heard before. > As an example, when this song came out, I did not recognize it > was Rainbow, because of the new lead singer. But even with the > very opening riffs I suspected it was Blackmore, and by the time > it got to this solo, I knew: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByGwgm_vRs&t=2m44s > > He has a distinctive touch and phrasing that's just like nobody else. So... you're now arguing that if you *weren't* familiar with RB's "distinctive touch and phrasing" you'd *still* have recognized it was *his* (well, that *is* what you just argued)? We're down to Snit level now, aren't we ;)
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 15:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0ea04b16-31b3-40a2-abed-f3d1c80e820d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477340 |
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:18:15 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 2:44:05 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:29:06 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > > > >> I can be listening to Satriani and not even know it's Satriani. > > >> It could be any of a hundred other shredders. That's never the case with > > >> Blackmore. It only takes a few seconds of listening to know it's him. > > >> That's greatness. That's soul. > > > > > > That could be (I would submit that it is) due to the fact that you're > > > more familiar with RB than you are with JS. > > > > > > > No, I mean even with his stuff I've not heard before. > > As an example, when this song came out, I did not recognize it > > was Rainbow, because of the new lead singer. But even with the > > very opening riffs I suspected it was Blackmore, and by the time > > it got to this solo, I knew: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByGwgm_vRs&t=2m44s > > > > He has a distinctive touch and phrasing that's just like nobody else. > > So... you're now arguing that if you *weren't* familiar with RB's > "distinctive touch and phrasing" you'd *still* have recognized > it was *his* (well, that *is* what you just argued)? > > We're down to Snit level now, aren't we ;) I think the comments tell a lot of the story surrounding Blackmore: "There's something about this solo that makes it stand out amongst all the other magnificent solos Ritchie composed." "best blackmore solo and great singing by Joe lynn Turner" "Ritchie Blackmore with one of the best guitar solos ever" "Best Blackmore guitar solo, i don't care what anyone says" "One of the most brilliant guitar solos ever recorded." <shaking head in disbelief> Here's a cover tune at a tad faster tempo. This guitar solo is 'tasty as f*ck' on a level that RB never played on, the break around 1:52 features the kind of line he could only dream of: <https://youtu.be/pp4FYru7uO4?t=90>
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-11-15 02:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <s0zb803ga.gho3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477346 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:18:15 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote: >> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 2:44:05 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:29:06 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: >> > >> > >> I can be listening to Satriani and not even know it's Satriani. >> > >> It could be any of a hundred other shredders. That's never the case with >> > >> Blackmore. It only takes a few seconds of listening to know it's him. >> > >> That's greatness. That's soul. >> > > >> > > That could be (I would submit that it is) due to the fact that you're >> > > more familiar with RB than you are with JS. >> > > >> > >> > No, I mean even with his stuff I've not heard before. >> > As an example, when this song came out, I did not recognize it >> > was Rainbow, because of the new lead singer. But even with the >> > very opening riffs I suspected it was Blackmore, and by the time >> > it got to this solo, I knew: >> > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByGwgm_vRs&t=2m44s >> > >> > He has a distinctive touch and phrasing that's just like nobody else. >> >> So... you're now arguing that if you *weren't* familiar with RB's >> "distinctive touch and phrasing" you'd *still* have recognized >> it was *his* (well, that *is* what you just argued)? >> >> We're down to Snit level now, aren't we ;) > I think you must be, since that is exactly *not* what I was arguing. > I think the comments tell a lot of the story surrounding Blackmore: > > "There's something about this solo that makes it stand out amongst > all the other magnificent solos Ritchie composed." > > "best blackmore solo and great singing by Joe lynn Turner" > > "Ritchie Blackmore with one of the best guitar solos ever" > > "Best Blackmore guitar solo, i don't care what anyone says" > > "One of the most brilliant guitar solos ever recorded." > > <shaking head in disbelief> > > Here's a cover tune at a tad faster tempo. This guitar solo is > 'tasty as f*ck' "Tasty." Did you get that from a Jeff Beck interview? > on a level that RB never played on, the break > around 1:52 features the kind of line he could only dream of: > > <https://youtu.be/pp4FYru7uO4?t=90> OMG. There is nothing special about that at all. That "he could only dream of." LOL! You jazzsters think that your chosen noise patterns are so difficult. Ooh, check him playing those changes and improv'ing aroud those chords. As if there is something magical about sweep picking and arpeggiating the intervals of a chord. If you know the chord, you can play around it. It's not rocket science. If you know the chord, you know its various forms around the fretboard. No, I hate to break it to you, but the reason these shredders from other genres don't play jazz is not because it's too hard, but because while playing it they are forced to also *hear* it, something few people want to do. How do you figure that playing jazz lead going to be too difficult for some neo-classical shredder who is used to blending bits of Paganini into his solos?
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-14 20:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <98c89e93-c934-41ae-921d-48a6d4e56a12@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477363 |
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 7:03:15 PM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:18:15 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 2:44:05 PM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> >> > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:29:06 PM UTC-7, owl wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >> I can be listening to Satriani and not even know it's Satriani.
> >> > >> It could be any of a hundred other shredders. That's never the case with
> >> > >> Blackmore. It only takes a few seconds of listening to know it's him.
> >> > >> That's greatness. That's soul.
> >> > >
> >> > > That could be (I would submit that it is) due to the fact that you're
> >> > > more familiar with RB than you are with JS.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > No, I mean even with his stuff I've not heard before.
> >> > As an example, when this song came out, I did not recognize it
> >> > was Rainbow, because of the new lead singer. But even with the
> >> > very opening riffs I suspected it was Blackmore, and by the time
> >> > it got to this solo, I knew:
> >> >
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByGwgm_vRs&t=2m44s
> >> >
> >> > He has a distinctive touch and phrasing that's just like nobody else.
> >>
> >> So... you're now arguing that if you *weren't* familiar with RB's
> >> "distinctive touch and phrasing" you'd *still* have recognized
> >> it was *his* (well, that *is* what you just argued)?
> >>
> >> We're down to Snit level now, aren't we ;)
> >
>
> I think you must be, since that is exactly *not* what I was arguing.
Sure it wasn't... and any minute now you're going to explain how you
were able to "recognize" Blackmore's "distinctive touch and phrasing"
*without* previously being familiar with his playing, I just know you will ;)
(are you reading what you write?!)
> > I think the comments tell a lot of the story surrounding Blackmore:
> >
> > "There's something about this solo that makes it stand out amongst
> > all the other magnificent solos Ritchie composed."
> >
> > "best blackmore solo and great singing by Joe lynn Turner"
> >
> > "Ritchie Blackmore with one of the best guitar solos ever"
> >
> > "Best Blackmore guitar solo, i don't care what anyone says"
> >
> > "One of the most brilliant guitar solos ever recorded."
> >
> > <shaking head in disbelief>
> >
> > Here's a cover tune at a tad faster tempo. This guitar solo is
> > 'tasty as f*ck'
>
> "Tasty." Did you get that from a Jeff Beck interview?
>
> > on a level that RB never played on, the break
> > around 1:52 features the kind of line he could only dream of:
> >
> > <https://youtu.be/pp4FYru7uO4?t=90>
>
> OMG. There is nothing special about that at all.
Where is an example of RB creating a line with that contour to it?
He doesn't create those kinds of lines, his lines are usually more
scalar in nature.
> That "he could only dream of." LOL! You jazzsters
I'm not a 'jazzster' ('jazzer').
> think that your chosen noise patterns are
> so difficult. Ooh, check him playing those changes and improv'ing aroud
> those chords. As if there is something magical about sweep picking and
> arpeggiating the intervals of a chord.
If you listened to the Gambale example I gave you *and* understood
what you were hearing, you'd know that's not descriptive of what's up.
There's a concept which is comparatively absent from RB's playing
known as chord superimposition. Example, take a II-V-I in the key of C.
The V chord is G7, the notes of that chord are G,B,D and F, right? Ok...
RB might play B minor flat 5 arps or maybe even dim arps if he's
feeling particularly frisky... but you won't hear him yank in stuff from
farther outside of the key. You won't hear him play arps built off a D
flat lydian dominant scale (which is built off a melodic minor). Why?
Because tritone subs are just not a part of his playing experience.
You won't even hear him remove a couple of notes off that and play
a stock minor pentatonic scale a minor 3rd away from the home key
over that V chord for the exact same reason, he's just not aware of
the existence of it. Now... is RB gonna run into a II-V-I in the music
he plays? No... but in any rock based progression that uses I-IV-V
he *can* play these subs *as if* the chords *were* played, if done in
certain spots in the progression (which don't last long, time-wise).
Trust me, you have *never* heard him do this or anything similar.
> If you know the chord, you can play around it.
You're missing it, RB doesn't possess the harmonic knowledge to
"play around it" the way "jazzers" do. Robben Ford is not really a
"jazzer", either... but he understands the harmony and possesses
some solid substitution knowledge.
> It's not rocket science. If you know the chord, you
> know its various forms around the fretboard.
Dude... you're *so* far from the mark you don't realize how far.
> No, I hate to break it to
> you, but the reason these shredders from other genres don't play jazz is
> not because it's too hard, but because while playing it they are forced
> to also *hear* it, something few people want to do.
Sure <eyeroll>, but... for some reason, the very best of the guys you
point to, they list "jazzers" as their influences. You're making no sense,
you realize that, right? These guys learn a lick from a "jazzer" and then
figure out where they can use it... the "jazzers" create an *endless*
stream of these ideas (that the Rockers steal as 'a lick' so they can
stand out amongst other Rockers). We're talking about a *world* of
difference here.
> How do you figure
> that playing jazz lead going to be too difficult for some neo-classical
> shredder who is used to blending bits of Paganini into his solos?
I don't figure it, I know it... and... it's extremely evident because *very*
few ever show even the slightest ability in that direction. Playing some
"bits of Paganini" is like an exercise, the "jazzers" are improvising on a
level Rock players aren't capable of because they don't know that part
of the harmonic language to nearly the same degree. They'll generally
learn harmonic/melodic minor scales and play arps on it or run it fast.
The idea of playing *through* changes while using those scales only in
the appropriate time slot (often only a second or so) and *still* making
it sound like music is *extremely* difficult, especially at a fast tempo.
The above is just not something Rock players work on, it has no place
in the music they play. It's a mighty convenient argument to claim that
no one wants to hear 'that' music, no one wants to play it. The reality
is Rockers utilize a tiny segment of the available harmonic knowledge
they glean from the "jazzers" because it's a *lot* of work to think in
terms of subs like I'm talking about. Joe understands *far* more
than someone like RB and it comes out in his playing but you don't
hear it because you don't listen to him as closely as you do RB... or...
maybe you're not really listening that closely to RB and you're like
one of his fans who left those comments <shrug>... I dunno.
<https://sldargento.wordpress.com/tag/joe-satriani-scales/>
The ol' saw about 'We'll, we're Rockers, we don't need all that theory
crap, we just play what we feel', is dead, been dead for decades. It's
not about snobbery, it's about musicianship. RB knows this, that's why
he should be shutting the fuck up, he knows what his failings are and,
as Govan pointed out, he makes it obvious based on the people he
disses. RB can play fast, but not soulful like Hendrix or SRV. Joe plays
even faster than RB, which gnaws at him... but Joe also plays with a
harmonic sense RB can't touch... and RB knows it. Worse, that Joe
plays virtually flawlessly drives RB to make stupid statements like
"he's too polished".
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-15 04:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9z0b803a.ah3@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477372 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 7:03:15 PM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:18:15 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 2:44:05 PM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>> >> > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:29:06 PM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >> I can be listening to Satriani and not even know it's Satriani.
>> >> > >> It could be any of a hundred other shredders. That's never the case with
>> >> > >> Blackmore. It only takes a few seconds of listening to know it's him.
>> >> > >> That's greatness. That's soul.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That could be (I would submit that it is) due to the fact that you're
>> >> > > more familiar with RB than you are with JS.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > No, I mean even with his stuff I've not heard before.
>> >> > As an example, when this song came out, I did not recognize it
>> >> > was Rainbow, because of the new lead singer. But even with the
>> >> > very opening riffs I suspected it was Blackmore, and by the time
>> >> > it got to this solo, I knew:
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByGwgm_vRs&t=2m44s
>> >> >
>> >> > He has a distinctive touch and phrasing that's just like nobody else.
>> >>
>> >> So... you're now arguing that if you *weren't* familiar with RB's
>> >> "distinctive touch and phrasing" you'd *still* have recognized
>> >> it was *his* (well, that *is* what you just argued)?
>> >>
>> >> We're down to Snit level now, aren't we ;)
>> >
>>
>> I think you must be, since that is exactly *not* what I was arguing.
>
> Sure it wasn't... and any minute now you're going to explain how you
> were able to "recognize" Blackmore's "distinctive touch and phrasing"
> *without* previously being familiar with his playing, I just know you will ;)
>
> (are you reading what you write?!)
>
>> > I think the comments tell a lot of the story surrounding Blackmore:
>> >
>> > "There's something about this solo that makes it stand out amongst
>> > all the other magnificent solos Ritchie composed."
>> >
>> > "best blackmore solo and great singing by Joe lynn Turner"
>> >
>> > "Ritchie Blackmore with one of the best guitar solos ever"
>> >
>> > "Best Blackmore guitar solo, i don't care what anyone says"
>> >
>> > "One of the most brilliant guitar solos ever recorded."
>> >
>> > <shaking head in disbelief>
>> >
>> > Here's a cover tune at a tad faster tempo. This guitar solo is
>> > 'tasty as f*ck'
>>
>> "Tasty." Did you get that from a Jeff Beck interview?
>>
>> > on a level that RB never played on, the break
>> > around 1:52 features the kind of line he could only dream of:
>> >
>> > <https://youtu.be/pp4FYru7uO4?t=90>
>>
>> OMG. There is nothing special about that at all.
>
> Where is an example of RB creating a line with that contour to it?
> He doesn't create those kinds of lines, his lines are usually more
> scalar in nature.
>
>> That "he could only dream of." LOL! You jazzsters
>
> I'm not a 'jazzster' ('jazzer').
>
>> think that your chosen noise patterns are
>> so difficult. Ooh, check him playing those changes and improv'ing aroud
>> those chords. As if there is something magical about sweep picking and
>> arpeggiating the intervals of a chord.
>
> If you listened to the Gambale example I gave you *and* understood
> what you were hearing, you'd know that's not descriptive of what's up.
> There's a concept which is comparatively absent from RB's playing
> known as chord superimposition. Example, take a II-V-I in the key of C.
> The V chord is G7, the notes of that chord are G,B,D and F, right? Ok...
> RB might play B minor flat 5 arps or maybe even dim arps if he's
> feeling particularly frisky... but you won't hear him yank in stuff from
> farther outside of the key. You won't hear him play arps built off a D
> flat lydian dominant scale (which is built off a melodic minor). Why?
> Because tritone subs are just not a part of his playing experience.
>
> You won't even hear him remove a couple of notes off that and play
> a stock minor pentatonic scale a minor 3rd away from the home key
> over that V chord for the exact same reason, he's just not aware of
> the existence of it. Now... is RB gonna run into a II-V-I in the music
> he plays? No... but in any rock based progression that uses I-IV-V
> he *can* play these subs *as if* the chords *were* played, if done in
> certain spots in the progression (which don't last long, time-wise).
> Trust me, you have *never* heard him do this or anything similar.
>
>> If you know the chord, you can play around it.
>
> You're missing it, RB doesn't possess the harmonic knowledge to
> "play around it" the way "jazzers" do. Robben Ford is not really a
> "jazzer", either... but he understands the harmony and possesses
> some solid substitution knowledge.
>
>> It's not rocket science. If you know the chord, you
>> know its various forms around the fretboard.
>
> Dude... you're *so* far from the mark you don't realize how far.
>
>> No, I hate to break it to
>> you, but the reason these shredders from other genres don't play jazz is
>> not because it's too hard, but because while playing it they are forced
>> to also *hear* it, something few people want to do.
>
> Sure <eyeroll>, but... for some reason, the very best of the guys you
> point to, they list "jazzers" as their influences. You're making no sense,
> you realize that, right? These guys learn a lick from a "jazzer" and then
> figure out where they can use it... the "jazzers" create an *endless*
> stream of these ideas (that the Rockers steal as 'a lick' so they can
> stand out amongst other Rockers). We're talking about a *world* of
> difference here.
>
>> How do you figure
>> that playing jazz lead going to be too difficult for some neo-classical
>> shredder who is used to blending bits of Paganini into his solos?
>
> I don't figure it, I know it... and... it's extremely evident because *very*
> few ever show even the slightest ability in that direction. Playing some
> "bits of Paganini" is like an exercise, the "jazzers" are improvising on a
> level Rock players aren't capable of because they don't know that part
> of the harmonic language to nearly the same degree. They'll generally
> learn harmonic/melodic minor scales and play arps on it or run it fast.
> The idea of playing *through* changes while using those scales only in
> the appropriate time slot (often only a second or so) and *still* making
> it sound like music is *extremely* difficult, especially at a fast tempo.
>
> The above is just not something Rock players work on, it has no place
> in the music they play. It's a mighty convenient argument to claim that
> no one wants to hear 'that' music, no one wants to play it. The reality
> is Rockers utilize a tiny segment of the available harmonic knowledge
> they glean from the "jazzers" because it's a *lot* of work to think in
> terms of subs like I'm talking about. Joe understands *far* more
> than someone like RB and it comes out in his playing but you don't
> hear it because you don't listen to him as closely as you do RB... or...
> maybe you're not really listening that closely to RB and you're like
> one of his fans who left those comments <shrug>... I dunno.
>
> <https://sldargento.wordpress.com/tag/joe-satriani-scales/>
>
> The ol' saw about 'We'll, we're Rockers, we don't need all that theory
> crap, we just play what we feel', is dead, been dead for decades. It's
> not about snobbery, it's about musicianship. RB knows this, that's why
> he should be shutting the fuck up, he knows what his failings are and,
> as Govan pointed out, he makes it obvious based on the people he
> disses. RB can play fast, but not soulful like Hendrix or SRV. Joe plays
> even faster than RB, which gnaws at him... but Joe also plays with a
> harmonic sense RB can't touch... and RB knows it. Worse, that Joe
> plays virtually flawlessly drives RB to make stupid statements like
> "he's too polished".
Jazzter is doing his jazzy "improv" and hits a note that doesn't belong
to the scale. Waitress winces, wondering who raked their fingernails
on the blackboard menu next to the hookah. The crowd goes wild with
snapping fingers. "Daddio, did you hear that superposition? That must
have taken months to work out!"
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-14 20:42 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5d5c55e6-7af4-47bb-9ab6-d89fb260b7ee@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477374 |
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 9:17:29 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: (snip) > Jazzter is doing his jazzy "improv" and hits a note that doesn't belong > to the scale. Waitress winces, wondering who raked their fingernails > on the blackboard menu next to the hookah. The crowd goes wild with > snapping fingers. "Daddio, did you hear that superposition? That must > have taken months to work out!" All that... and, now, it's "Jazzter"? LOL! Lots of people like the sounds that come from Jazz without knowing the theory behind them... some of your guitar heroes certainly do. I've taught a number of people to play that think like you do... later, they thank me for making them working on advanced harmonic concepts, which is where lots of good lines come from. If you still play try out what I suggested with that minor penta sub. BTW, I told it to you incorrectly, you want the penta that's a major second down from the root (in this case C is the root so use Bb minor penta). You can use shell voicings for this,in fact, I recommend 'em: <https://imgur.com/a/dZhVqFA> Play Dmi7 and G7 for 4 beats each... then the Cmaj7 for 8 beats (this gives you time to develop a line). If you can tape it to repeat that's the best way. The C major scale works over the whole thing 'cuz they all come from it... but you can play Bb mi penta over all or part of the G7 chord. Try to make the line resolve when you hit the C chord. You'll find that it takes a bit of work and your ear will need to adjust to the sound... but it *will* adjust.
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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2018-11-15 04:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <x9z0b803.a@rooftop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #477378 |
Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 9:17:29 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > (snip) > >> Jazzter is doing his jazzy "improv" and hits a note that doesn't belong >> to the scale. Waitress winces, wondering who raked their fingernails >> on the blackboard menu next to the hookah. The crowd goes wild with >> snapping fingers. "Daddio, did you hear that superposition? That must >> have taken months to work out!" > > All that... and, now, it's "Jazzter"? LOL! > > Lots of people like the sounds that come from Jazz without knowing > the theory behind them... some of your guitar heroes certainly do. > I've taught a number of people to play that think like you do... later, > they thank me for making them working on advanced harmonic > concepts, which is where lots of good lines come from. If you still > play try out what I suggested with that minor penta sub. BTW, I told it > to you incorrectly, you want the penta that's a major second down from > the root (in this case C is the root so use Bb minor penta). You can use > shell voicings for this,in fact, I recommend 'em: > > <https://imgur.com/a/dZhVqFA> > > Play Dmi7 and G7 for 4 beats each... then the Cmaj7 for 8 beats > (this gives you time to develop a line). If you can tape it to repeat > that's the best way. The C major scale works over the whole thing > 'cuz they all come from it... but you can play Bb mi penta over all > or part of the G7 chord. Try to make the line resolve when you hit > the C chord. You'll find that it takes a bit of work and your ear will > need to adjust to the sound... but it *will* adjust. Thanks, but I put the guitar down ten years ago. You've seen that movie lord of the rings? I was like that thing Scrotum, or whatever it was, that lived in the cave with the ring... "My Precious." I was starting to look like that. I can't go back there, as much as it calls...
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-15 07:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3182e8ed-e455-4f8c-af00-4e4738af07fb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477381 |
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 9:59:01 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 9:17:29 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > > > (snip) > > > >> Jazzter is doing his jazzy "improv" and hits a note that doesn't belong > >> to the scale. Waitress winces, wondering who raked their fingernails > >> on the blackboard menu next to the hookah. The crowd goes wild with > >> snapping fingers. "Daddio, did you hear that superposition? That must > >> have taken months to work out!" > > > > All that... and, now, it's "Jazzter"? LOL! > > > > Lots of people like the sounds that come from Jazz without knowing > > the theory behind them... some of your guitar heroes certainly do. > > I've taught a number of people to play that think like you do... later, > > they thank me for making them working on advanced harmonic > > concepts, which is where lots of good lines come from. If you still > > play try out what I suggested with that minor penta sub. BTW, I told it > > to you incorrectly, you want the penta that's a major second down from > > the root (in this case C is the root so use Bb minor penta). You can use > > shell voicings for this,in fact, I recommend 'em: > > > > <https://imgur.com/a/dZhVqFA> > > > > Play Dmi7 and G7 for 4 beats each... then the Cmaj7 for 8 beats > > (this gives you time to develop a line). If you can tape it to repeat > > that's the best way. The C major scale works over the whole thing > > 'cuz they all come from it... but you can play Bb mi penta over all > > or part of the G7 chord. Try to make the line resolve when you hit > > the C chord. You'll find that it takes a bit of work and your ear will > > need to adjust to the sound... but it *will* adjust. > > Thanks, but I put the guitar down ten years ago. You've seen that movie > lord of the rings? I was like that thing Scrotum, or whatever it was, that > lived in the cave with the ring... "My Precious." I was starting to look > like that. I can't go back there, as much as it calls... I think that call is stronger than you realize... we talked about guitar all damn day yesterday! Elsewhere, you gave me sh*t by writing: "I guess you just have to be born with an ear for "good sounds" in order to be able to distinguish them from jazz." I doubt anyone was born with the ability to hear things like the subs I've been talking about. That I've ever seen, this is always something which is developed over time. That said, the idea of tension and release is *so* strong in music, to deny your ear of many of the coolest examples of it by limiting them to just Jazz is no longer the case. It's all just harmony... even if you *don't* play the underlying chords while you play lines that came from that harmony (which is what Rock/Fusion players do). And you don't have to grow a goatee, don a beret or snap your fingers in order to use it ;) In any event, if you decide to pick up your axe and try this... use the shell voicings, not just because they're easier to play (and you can create a walking bassline easier because of it) but because it's doesn't pen you in as to what the lines use. IOW, you're busy not dictating what the soloist is forced to play because, as the sole harmonic content (of rhy gtr), you are avoiding all the alternate tones. Playing only R, 3 and 7 means you're not playing any sharped or flatted 5ths or 9ths ... the soloist (also you, in this case) isn't penned in by any harmony, it's left up to the soloist to 'insinuate' by playing those sounds. So... if you consider this aspect, even when jamming with a band on simple blues tunes, where it's pretty much guaranteed they won't be playing any wild chords, the soloist can play sounds as if those kinds of altered chords were played and then 'release' the tension they create back into the key. C'mon, Scrotum, you have one last 'adventure' left in you... but be prepared, you and your wife may be transformed... while you don't *have* to, it could happen: <https://imgur.com/a/6e6bhUJ>
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-11-15 08:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <da6e26dd-38ce-4c2a-91fc-46e457cd736a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #477435 |
On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 8:50:02 AM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 9:59:01 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 9:17:29 PM UTC-7, owl wrote: > > > > > > (snip) > > > > > >> Jazzter is doing his jazzy "improv" and hits a note that doesn't belong > > >> to the scale. Waitress winces, wondering who raked their fingernails > > >> on the blackboard menu next to the hookah. The crowd goes wild with > > >> snapping fingers. "Daddio, did you hear that superposition? That must > > >> have taken months to work out!" > > > > > > All that... and, now, it's "Jazzter"? LOL! > > > > > > Lots of people like the sounds that come from Jazz without knowing > > > the theory behind them... some of your guitar heroes certainly do. > > > I've taught a number of people to play that think like you do... later, > > > they thank me for making them working on advanced harmonic > > > concepts, which is where lots of good lines come from. If you still > > > play try out what I suggested with that minor penta sub. BTW, I told it > > > to you incorrectly, you want the penta that's a major second down from > > > the root (in this case C is the root so use Bb minor penta). You can use > > > shell voicings for this,in fact, I recommend 'em: > > > > > > <https://imgur.com/a/dZhVqFA> > > > > > > Play Dmi7 and G7 for 4 beats each... then the Cmaj7 for 8 beats > > > (this gives you time to develop a line). If you can tape it to repeat > > > that's the best way. The C major scale works over the whole thing > > > 'cuz they all come from it... but you can play Bb mi penta over all > > > or part of the G7 chord. Try to make the line resolve when you hit > > > the C chord. You'll find that it takes a bit of work and your ear will > > > need to adjust to the sound... but it *will* adjust. > > > > Thanks, but I put the guitar down ten years ago. You've seen that movie > > lord of the rings? I was like that thing Scrotum, or whatever it was, that > > lived in the cave with the ring... "My Precious." I was starting to look > > like that. I can't go back there, as much as it calls... > > I think that call is stronger than you realize... we talked about > guitar all damn day yesterday! > > Elsewhere, you gave me sh*t by writing: > > "I guess you just have to be born with an ear for "good sounds" in > order to be able to distinguish them from jazz." > > I doubt anyone was born with the ability to hear things like the > subs I've been talking about. That I've ever seen, this is always > something which is developed over time. That said, the idea of > tension and release is *so* strong in music, to deny your ear of > many of the coolest examples of it by limiting them to just Jazz > is no longer the case. It's all just harmony... even if you *don't* > play the underlying chords while you play lines that came from > that harmony (which is what Rock/Fusion players do). And you > don't have to grow a goatee, don a beret or snap your fingers > in order to use it ;) > > In any event, if you decide to pick up your axe and try this... > use the shell voicings, not just because they're easier to play > (and you can create a walking bassline easier because of it) > but because it's doesn't pen you in as to what the lines use. > > IOW, you're busy not dictating what the soloist is forced to > play because, as the sole harmonic content (of rhy gtr), you > are avoiding all the alternate tones. Playing only R, 3 and 7 > means you're not playing any sharped or flatted 5ths or 9ths > ... the soloist (also you, in this case) isn't penned in by any > harmony, it's left up to the soloist to 'insinuate' by playing > those sounds. So... if you consider this aspect, even when > jamming with a band on simple blues tunes, where it's pretty > much guaranteed they won't be playing any wild chords, the > soloist can play sounds as if those kinds of altered chords > were played and then 'release' the tension they create back > into the key. C'mon, Scrotum, you have one last 'adventure' > left in you... but be prepared, you and your wife may be > transformed... while you don't *have* to, it could happen: > <https://imgur.com/a/6e6bhUJ> Effectively everything Sandman says about what Klaus Schadenfreude has done is a lie as everyone knows. These morons get their jollies out of provoking reactions to their lies, which is the very definition of a troll. After Klaus Schadenfreude's update I no longer have a working system. Thanks Fedora! Studying Mint... still a greenhorn... My uptime is almost eighty-eight weeks and them the facts, Jack! Pull up a record check on Sandman and you will see that he was in a correctional facility for a long time. The online reports don't go into that level of detail and court lists apparently are private unless subpoenaed. I don't follow that. Unawareness is unawareness and there are many who are of one mind with it. Many are even teachers. -- This Trick Gets Women Hot For You! http://www.5z8.info/how-to-build-a-bomb_h2o1be_peepshow http://www.5z8.info/horse-slaughter_w8c4en_launchexe https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.linux.advocacy/tzMH39QmAmU Jonas Eklundh Communication
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