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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star |
| Date | 2018-11-15 04:17 +0000 |
| Organization | O.W.L. |
| Message-ID | <9z0b803a.ah3@rooftop.invalid> (permalink) |
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Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 7:03:15 PM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:18:15 PM UTC-7, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 2:44:05 PM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>> >> > Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:29:06 PM UTC-7, owl wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >> I can be listening to Satriani and not even know it's Satriani.
>> >> > >> It could be any of a hundred other shredders. That's never the case with
>> >> > >> Blackmore. It only takes a few seconds of listening to know it's him.
>> >> > >> That's greatness. That's soul.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That could be (I would submit that it is) due to the fact that you're
>> >> > > more familiar with RB than you are with JS.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > No, I mean even with his stuff I've not heard before.
>> >> > As an example, when this song came out, I did not recognize it
>> >> > was Rainbow, because of the new lead singer. But even with the
>> >> > very opening riffs I suspected it was Blackmore, and by the time
>> >> > it got to this solo, I knew:
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hByGwgm_vRs&t=2m44s
>> >> >
>> >> > He has a distinctive touch and phrasing that's just like nobody else.
>> >>
>> >> So... you're now arguing that if you *weren't* familiar with RB's
>> >> "distinctive touch and phrasing" you'd *still* have recognized
>> >> it was *his* (well, that *is* what you just argued)?
>> >>
>> >> We're down to Snit level now, aren't we ;)
>> >
>>
>> I think you must be, since that is exactly *not* what I was arguing.
>
> Sure it wasn't... and any minute now you're going to explain how you
> were able to "recognize" Blackmore's "distinctive touch and phrasing"
> *without* previously being familiar with his playing, I just know you will ;)
>
> (are you reading what you write?!)
>
>> > I think the comments tell a lot of the story surrounding Blackmore:
>> >
>> > "There's something about this solo that makes it stand out amongst
>> > all the other magnificent solos Ritchie composed."
>> >
>> > "best blackmore solo and great singing by Joe lynn Turner"
>> >
>> > "Ritchie Blackmore with one of the best guitar solos ever"
>> >
>> > "Best Blackmore guitar solo, i don't care what anyone says"
>> >
>> > "One of the most brilliant guitar solos ever recorded."
>> >
>> > <shaking head in disbelief>
>> >
>> > Here's a cover tune at a tad faster tempo. This guitar solo is
>> > 'tasty as f*ck'
>>
>> "Tasty." Did you get that from a Jeff Beck interview?
>>
>> > on a level that RB never played on, the break
>> > around 1:52 features the kind of line he could only dream of:
>> >
>> > <https://youtu.be/pp4FYru7uO4?t=90>
>>
>> OMG. There is nothing special about that at all.
>
> Where is an example of RB creating a line with that contour to it?
> He doesn't create those kinds of lines, his lines are usually more
> scalar in nature.
>
>> That "he could only dream of." LOL! You jazzsters
>
> I'm not a 'jazzster' ('jazzer').
>
>> think that your chosen noise patterns are
>> so difficult. Ooh, check him playing those changes and improv'ing aroud
>> those chords. As if there is something magical about sweep picking and
>> arpeggiating the intervals of a chord.
>
> If you listened to the Gambale example I gave you *and* understood
> what you were hearing, you'd know that's not descriptive of what's up.
> There's a concept which is comparatively absent from RB's playing
> known as chord superimposition. Example, take a II-V-I in the key of C.
> The V chord is G7, the notes of that chord are G,B,D and F, right? Ok...
> RB might play B minor flat 5 arps or maybe even dim arps if he's
> feeling particularly frisky... but you won't hear him yank in stuff from
> farther outside of the key. You won't hear him play arps built off a D
> flat lydian dominant scale (which is built off a melodic minor). Why?
> Because tritone subs are just not a part of his playing experience.
>
> You won't even hear him remove a couple of notes off that and play
> a stock minor pentatonic scale a minor 3rd away from the home key
> over that V chord for the exact same reason, he's just not aware of
> the existence of it. Now... is RB gonna run into a II-V-I in the music
> he plays? No... but in any rock based progression that uses I-IV-V
> he *can* play these subs *as if* the chords *were* played, if done in
> certain spots in the progression (which don't last long, time-wise).
> Trust me, you have *never* heard him do this or anything similar.
>
>> If you know the chord, you can play around it.
>
> You're missing it, RB doesn't possess the harmonic knowledge to
> "play around it" the way "jazzers" do. Robben Ford is not really a
> "jazzer", either... but he understands the harmony and possesses
> some solid substitution knowledge.
>
>> It's not rocket science. If you know the chord, you
>> know its various forms around the fretboard.
>
> Dude... you're *so* far from the mark you don't realize how far.
>
>> No, I hate to break it to
>> you, but the reason these shredders from other genres don't play jazz is
>> not because it's too hard, but because while playing it they are forced
>> to also *hear* it, something few people want to do.
>
> Sure <eyeroll>, but... for some reason, the very best of the guys you
> point to, they list "jazzers" as their influences. You're making no sense,
> you realize that, right? These guys learn a lick from a "jazzer" and then
> figure out where they can use it... the "jazzers" create an *endless*
> stream of these ideas (that the Rockers steal as 'a lick' so they can
> stand out amongst other Rockers). We're talking about a *world* of
> difference here.
>
>> How do you figure
>> that playing jazz lead going to be too difficult for some neo-classical
>> shredder who is used to blending bits of Paganini into his solos?
>
> I don't figure it, I know it... and... it's extremely evident because *very*
> few ever show even the slightest ability in that direction. Playing some
> "bits of Paganini" is like an exercise, the "jazzers" are improvising on a
> level Rock players aren't capable of because they don't know that part
> of the harmonic language to nearly the same degree. They'll generally
> learn harmonic/melodic minor scales and play arps on it or run it fast.
> The idea of playing *through* changes while using those scales only in
> the appropriate time slot (often only a second or so) and *still* making
> it sound like music is *extremely* difficult, especially at a fast tempo.
>
> The above is just not something Rock players work on, it has no place
> in the music they play. It's a mighty convenient argument to claim that
> no one wants to hear 'that' music, no one wants to play it. The reality
> is Rockers utilize a tiny segment of the available harmonic knowledge
> they glean from the "jazzers" because it's a *lot* of work to think in
> terms of subs like I'm talking about. Joe understands *far* more
> than someone like RB and it comes out in his playing but you don't
> hear it because you don't listen to him as closely as you do RB... or...
> maybe you're not really listening that closely to RB and you're like
> one of his fans who left those comments <shrug>... I dunno.
>
> <https://sldargento.wordpress.com/tag/joe-satriani-scales/>
>
> The ol' saw about 'We'll, we're Rockers, we don't need all that theory
> crap, we just play what we feel', is dead, been dead for decades. It's
> not about snobbery, it's about musicianship. RB knows this, that's why
> he should be shutting the fuck up, he knows what his failings are and,
> as Govan pointed out, he makes it obvious based on the people he
> disses. RB can play fast, but not soulful like Hendrix or SRV. Joe plays
> even faster than RB, which gnaws at him... but Joe also plays with a
> harmonic sense RB can't touch... and RB knows it. Worse, that Joe
> plays virtually flawlessly drives RB to make stupid statements like
> "he's too polished".
Jazzter is doing his jazzy "improv" and hits a note that doesn't belong
to the scale. Waitress winces, wondering who raked their fingernails
on the blackboard menu next to the hookah. The crowd goes wild with
snapping fingers. "Daddio, did you hear that superposition? That must
have taken months to work out!"
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Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 20:25 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 11:17 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 08:59 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 13:02 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:42 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 09:51 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 18:01 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 10:06 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 20:42 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 17:06 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 22:31 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 17:34 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 22:49 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:04 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:24 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:56 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:11 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 14:53 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 14:57 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:17 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:24 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 14:48 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 23:24 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 18:25 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:31 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-15 23:33 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 15:45 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 00:02 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:14 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 00:26 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:43 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 00:56 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 17:16 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 01:28 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 21:22 -0800
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Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 17:12 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 16:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 20:09 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 17:12 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 21:37 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 08:22 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-16 11:49 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 17:28 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 09:29 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 09:04 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 11:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 08:53 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 09:50 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 17:08 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 09:53 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 18:11 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 10:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-16 13:06 -0600
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 11:09 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 19:33 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 11:35 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 19:43 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-16 19:00 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 17:25 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 09:08 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 19:29 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 12:01 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 20:21 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 12:27 -0800
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Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 14:02 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-11-16 23:23 +0000
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 08:56 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-17 10:52 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-16 13:23 -0700
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-16 11:55 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 13:09 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-15 10:59 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-15 17:07 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-11-14 16:43 -0700
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 12:50 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 11:51 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 20:13 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 21:14 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-14 09:51 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 07:23 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-14 08:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-14 11:19 -0600
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 06:44 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-13 05:41 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 17:23 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 12:40 -0500
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-11-12 09:49 -0800
Re: Sofia is an award winning Ukrainian Rock Star SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-11-12 12:53 -0500
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