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| Started by | ebinsageman@gmail.com |
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| First post | 2016-10-10 15:40 -0700 |
| Last post | 2016-10-11 17:51 +0200 |
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Why do you guys use Linux? ebinsageman@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 15:40 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 18:54 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ebinsageman@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 16:09 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-10 19:26 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ebinsageman@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 16:58 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 09:10 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 00:08 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-10 22:05 -0600
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 09:13 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-11 15:33 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-11 15:45 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 09:09 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 14:12 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 10:27 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 10:24 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 09:24 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 15:14 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 15:22 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 11:28 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 11:23 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 13:44 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 11:19 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 08:29 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 11:39 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 11:42 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-11 17:54 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 11:02 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 16:09 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-11 23:10 +0100
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 12:01 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 11:29 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 12:48 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-11 23:13 +0100
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 16:12 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 16:58 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 17:11 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-11 18:00 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 19:05 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 23:32 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 08:15 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Alexander Suvorov <axr.suvorov@yandex.ru> - 2016-10-12 12:10 +0300
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 13:30 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-12 13:56 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 15:27 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 10:18 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 17:18 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-12 17:46 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 11:53 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-10-12 20:36 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 12:04 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-12 18:21 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 20:28 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? "Octavian W. Lagrange" <olagrang@perch.invalid> - 2016-10-12 18:50 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux?? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 15:38 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 15:37 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 21:55 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 16:15 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 22:30 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 16:41 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 22:49 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:53 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:54 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 17:19 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-12 23:04 +0100
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-01 10:10 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-01 10:09 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 08:27 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 10:12 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-12 15:27 +0100
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 11:56 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 12:07 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 20:21 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-12 07:05 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 08:25 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 10:11 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 11:54 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 12:04 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 12:15 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 12:27 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 09:56 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-12 20:09 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 15:33 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-11-01 10:10 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 14:53 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 15:50 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 16:12 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 16:35 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 16:46 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 17:40 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 17:47 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 20:23 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 20:19 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-12 16:28 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-12 17:18 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-12 23:25 +0200
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-10-11 23:15 +0100
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 11:39 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 09:41 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 16:21 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-10-11 05:54 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 23:12 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 07:09 -0500
You are a hypocrite and Liar. GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-11 12:42 -0600
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-10-11 09:20 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 00:07 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ebinsageman@gmail.com - 2016-10-10 17:13 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-10-10 21:44 -0400
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-10 22:07 -0600
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-10-11 06:50 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 00:42 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? GreyCloud <Cumulus@mist.com> - 2016-10-10 22:07 -0600
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 07:37 -0500
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 00:17 -0700
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-11 06:54 -0500
Why do you guys use Linux? Alexander Suvorov <axr.suvorov@yandex.ru> - 2016-10-11 17:50 +0300
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Jim Polaski <jpolaski@linuxmail.org> - 2016-10-11 15:17 +0000
Re: Why do you guys use Linux? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-11 17:51 +0200
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 20:09 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ntlu8l$gff$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #376110 |
The lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser (tmelmosfire) babbled: > On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 09:27:48 UTC-7, Marek Novotny wrote: >> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> > >> > On 2016-10-12 12:04 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> >> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On 2016-10-12 10:11 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> >>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 2016-10-12 5:10 AM, Alexander Suvorov wrote: >> >>>>>> Hello, Silver Slimer. On 10/12/16 2:05 AM you wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% and >> >>>>>>>>> Windows was at 95.39%. " Gee, I wonder where the >> >>>>>>>>> developers will go. >> >>>>>>>> Where indeed?? If they make it simple to cross >> >>>>>>>> develop, what's the problem? And what did you expect at >> >>>>>>>> this early stage? A runaway success that smashes >> >>>>>>>> Windows right off the bat? >> >>>>>>> The only hope for Linux (and the Mac, ironically) is if >> >>>>>>> the Vulkan development platform becomes popular. As it >> >>>>>>> is, companies seem to prefer DirectX which makes porting >> >>>>>>> a difficult process. If, however, they consider their >> >>>>>>> options and realize how much smarter using Vulkan would >> >>>>>>> be, then Linux might actually have a chance to get gaming >> >>>>>>> users and therefore to become a much more viable platform >> >>>>>>> for whichever developer resists at first. It won't happen >> >>>>>>> though. I've already seen Mantle fail in a short period >> >>>>>>> of time so there's no reason to believe Vulkan will fare >> >>>>>>> better. Besides, Linux doesn't do its users many favours >> >>>>>>> in having certain things not work in one version and then >> >>>>>>> working again in the next only to become completely >> >>>>>>> non-functional in the one after that. That's how Ubuntu >> >>>>>>> seems to work at least. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Again. I just don't get it, guys. As an Ubuntu user (and a >> >>>>>> gaming one, btw) I wonder what is it you all talking about >> >>>>>> that shouldn't work? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Import a GPG key into Seahorse. Let me know how well it >> >>>>> works. >> >>>> >> >>>> So use your head and switch to Thunderbird... >> >>> >> >>> Except that using Seahorse and importing your key there allows it >> >>> to be available in all applications that support GPG including >> >>> Evolution which syncs beautifully (and natively) with Google >> >>> Calendar. You're essentially reducing functionality (unwillingly) >> >>> because the open-source guys can't get their act together. >> >> >> >> You can't use Google Calendar in Thunderbird??? Could have fooled >> >> me. >> > >> > Notice the use of the word _natively_ . With Thunderbird, you can do >> > so but require a plug-in. >> >> So Thunderbird has an architecture to NATIVELY support Plugins, one of >> which is LIGHTNING, which supports Google Calendar. So, Slimer, what's >> the problem? >> >> -- >> Marek Novotny >> https://github.com/marek-novotny > > Every OS has an architecture to NATIVELY support applications meaning when > Peter asked for a native GUI to help him with networking Snit's pointing > to a third party app was completely fine to you. > Quit lying, lying imbecile I did *not* ask for a GUI. And I especially did not ask for "help", as I already had setup that stuff before the first post I wnated to show that *you* don't have the foggiest of ideas about the things you are babbling. And you didn't. You spewed total bullshit from start to end
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 15:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntm365$4gn$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #376125 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-12 2:09 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > The lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser (tmelmosfire) babbled: > >> On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 09:27:48 UTC-7, Marek Novotny >> wrote: >>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-12 12:04 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-12 10:11 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-12 5:10 AM, Alexander Suvorov wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hello, Silver Slimer. On 10/12/16 2:05 AM you >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% >>>>>>>>>>>> and Windows was at 95.39%. " Gee, I wonder >>>>>>>>>>>> where the developers will go. >>>>>>>>>>> Where indeed?? If they make it simple to cross >>>>>>>>>>> develop, what's the problem? And what did you >>>>>>>>>>> expect at this early stage? A runaway success >>>>>>>>>>> that smashes Windows right off the bat? >>>>>>>>>> The only hope for Linux (and the Mac, ironically) >>>>>>>>>> is if the Vulkan development platform becomes >>>>>>>>>> popular. As it is, companies seem to prefer >>>>>>>>>> DirectX which makes porting a difficult process. >>>>>>>>>> If, however, they consider their options and >>>>>>>>>> realize how much smarter using Vulkan would be, >>>>>>>>>> then Linux might actually have a chance to get >>>>>>>>>> gaming users and therefore to become a much more >>>>>>>>>> viable platform for whichever developer resists >>>>>>>>>> at first. It won't happen though. I've already >>>>>>>>>> seen Mantle fail in a short period of time so >>>>>>>>>> there's no reason to believe Vulkan will fare >>>>>>>>>> better. Besides, Linux doesn't do its users many >>>>>>>>>> favours in having certain things not work in one >>>>>>>>>> version and then working again in the next only >>>>>>>>>> to become completely non-functional in the one >>>>>>>>>> after that. That's how Ubuntu seems to work at >>>>>>>>>> least. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Again. I just don't get it, guys. As an Ubuntu user >>>>>>>>> (and a gaming one, btw) I wonder what is it you all >>>>>>>>> talking about that shouldn't work? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Import a GPG key into Seahorse. Let me know how well >>>>>>>> it works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So use your head and switch to Thunderbird... >>>>>> >>>>>> Except that using Seahorse and importing your key there >>>>>> allows it to be available in all applications that >>>>>> support GPG including Evolution which syncs beautifully >>>>>> (and natively) with Google Calendar. You're essentially >>>>>> reducing functionality (unwillingly) because the >>>>>> open-source guys can't get their act together. >>>>> >>>>> You can't use Google Calendar in Thunderbird??? Could have >>>>> fooled me. >>>> >>>> Notice the use of the word _natively_ . With Thunderbird, you >>>> can do so but require a plug-in. >>> >>> So Thunderbird has an architecture to NATIVELY support Plugins, >>> one of which is LIGHTNING, which supports Google Calendar. So, >>> Slimer, what's the problem? >>> >>> -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny >> >> Every OS has an architecture to NATIVELY support applications >> meaning when Peter asked for a native GUI to help him with >> networking Snit's pointing to a third party app was completely >> fine to you. >> > Quit lying, lying imbecile I did *not* ask for a GUI. And I > especially did not ask for "help", as I already had setup that > stuff before the first post > > I wnated to show that *you* don't have the foggiest of ideas about > the things you are babbling. And you didn't. You spewed total > bullshit from start to end Sort of like the complete retard who claimed that AAC was a movie format even though Apple has been using it for music sold in the iTunes Music Store since the early 2000s. Who was the demented old dumbass who said that? Oh right, THAT WAS YOU. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/pAXAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+u17oH/j4wNHGutNMWUJILbE76gDkp 1fYueBclLmiDhnxPH53QmyPRZC+hzpPyJTQ5o5vVrQ2+ItJ90wzMde6A0J/IwyQ7 enO5axe8tnma3y22toXLjs5BAH/xij5K0L4D4KsZ2ZKFxwxiNrtE5jLV2hfF4BKf 4L6K9teB8CSwXiyPWU/mGVH6Sipt6z2D8joanr1kXngYlWAV0ayeY0intmWQdQ6S pNCopioh+juIjUtrLEeySAxRfGb+t0m/MwSYOM/+EhHANMGs762qCGHMGRoMKoQR JuT3euwzZmH++rsFZKM/o0vyly4vrB5OhyMXv4zD44QClUBjZmVPeev1BJ4nWzA= =cc88 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2016-11-01 10:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D43E1AB2.81874%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #376125 |
On 10/12/16, 11:09 AM, in article ntlu8l$gff$1@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: > The lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser (tmelmosfire) babbled: > >> On Wednesday, 12 October 2016 09:27:48 UTC-7, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-12 12:04 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-12 10:11 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-12 5:10 AM, Alexander Suvorov wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hello, Silver Slimer. On 10/12/16 2:05 AM you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% and >>>>>>>>>>>> Windows was at 95.39%. " Gee, I wonder where the >>>>>>>>>>>> developers will go. >>>>>>>>>>> Where indeed?? If they make it simple to cross >>>>>>>>>>> develop, what's the problem? And what did you expect at >>>>>>>>>>> this early stage? A runaway success that smashes >>>>>>>>>>> Windows right off the bat? >>>>>>>>>> The only hope for Linux (and the Mac, ironically) is if >>>>>>>>>> the Vulkan development platform becomes popular. As it >>>>>>>>>> is, companies seem to prefer DirectX which makes porting >>>>>>>>>> a difficult process. If, however, they consider their >>>>>>>>>> options and realize how much smarter using Vulkan would >>>>>>>>>> be, then Linux might actually have a chance to get gaming >>>>>>>>>> users and therefore to become a much more viable platform >>>>>>>>>> for whichever developer resists at first. It won't happen >>>>>>>>>> though. I've already seen Mantle fail in a short period >>>>>>>>>> of time so there's no reason to believe Vulkan will fare >>>>>>>>>> better. Besides, Linux doesn't do its users many favours >>>>>>>>>> in having certain things not work in one version and then >>>>>>>>>> working again in the next only to become completely >>>>>>>>>> non-functional in the one after that. That's how Ubuntu >>>>>>>>>> seems to work at least. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Again. I just don't get it, guys. As an Ubuntu user (and a >>>>>>>>> gaming one, btw) I wonder what is it you all talking about >>>>>>>>> that shouldn't work? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Import a GPG key into Seahorse. Let me know how well it >>>>>>>> works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So use your head and switch to Thunderbird... >>>>>> >>>>>> Except that using Seahorse and importing your key there allows it >>>>>> to be available in all applications that support GPG including >>>>>> Evolution which syncs beautifully (and natively) with Google >>>>>> Calendar. You're essentially reducing functionality (unwillingly) >>>>>> because the open-source guys can't get their act together. >>>>> >>>>> You can't use Google Calendar in Thunderbird??? Could have fooled >>>>> me. >>>> >>>> Notice the use of the word _natively_ . With Thunderbird, you can do >>>> so but require a plug-in. >>> >>> So Thunderbird has an architecture to NATIVELY support Plugins, one of >>> which is LIGHTNING, which supports Google Calendar. So, Slimer, what's >>> the problem? >>> >>> -- >>> Marek Novotny >>> https://github.com/marek-novotny >> >> Every OS has an architecture to NATIVELY support applications meaning when >> Peter asked for a native GUI to help him with networking Snit's pointing >> to a third party app was completely fine to you. >> > Quit lying, lying imbecile > I did *not* ask for a GUI. And I especially did not ask for "help", as I > already had setup that stuff before the first post > > I wnated to show that *you* don't have the foggiest of ideas about the > things you are babbling. And you didn't. You spewed total bullshit from > start to end > Peter Köhlmann claimed: "I have hardly talked about [Snit]" during October, when I did not post at all. You lied. Period. -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 14:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntm0qj$q1c$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #376104 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-12 12:27 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >> On 2016-10-12 12:04 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-12 10:11 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-12 5:10 AM, Alexander Suvorov wrote: >>>>>>> Hello, Silver Slimer. On 10/12/16 2:05 AM you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% and >>>>>>>>>> Windows was at 95.39%. " Gee, I wonder where the >>>>>>>>>> developers will go. >>>>>>>>> Where indeed?? If they make it simple to cross >>>>>>>>> develop, what's the problem? And what did you >>>>>>>>> expect at this early stage? A runaway success that >>>>>>>>> smashes Windows right off the bat? >>>>>>>> The only hope for Linux (and the Mac, ironically) is >>>>>>>> if the Vulkan development platform becomes popular. >>>>>>>> As it is, companies seem to prefer DirectX which >>>>>>>> makes porting a difficult process. If, however, they >>>>>>>> consider their options and realize how much smarter >>>>>>>> using Vulkan would be, then Linux might actually >>>>>>>> have a chance to get gaming users and therefore to >>>>>>>> become a much more viable platform for whichever >>>>>>>> developer resists at first. It won't happen though. >>>>>>>> I've already seen Mantle fail in a short period of >>>>>>>> time so there's no reason to believe Vulkan will fare >>>>>>>> better. Besides, Linux doesn't do its users many >>>>>>>> favours in having certain things not work in one >>>>>>>> version and then working again in the next only to >>>>>>>> become completely non-functional in the one after >>>>>>>> that. That's how Ubuntu seems to work at least. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again. I just don't get it, guys. As an Ubuntu user >>>>>>> (and a gaming one, btw) I wonder what is it you all >>>>>>> talking about that shouldn't work? >>>>>> >>>>>> Import a GPG key into Seahorse. Let me know how well it >>>>>> works. >>>>> >>>>> So use your head and switch to Thunderbird... >>>> >>>> Except that using Seahorse and importing your key there >>>> allows it to be available in all applications that support >>>> GPG including Evolution which syncs beautifully (and >>>> natively) with Google Calendar. You're essentially reducing >>>> functionality (unwillingly) because the open-source guys >>>> can't get their act together. >>> >>> You can't use Google Calendar in Thunderbird??? Could have >>> fooled me. >> >> Notice the use of the word _natively_ . With Thunderbird, you >> can do so but require a plug-in. > > So Thunderbird has an architecture to NATIVELY support Plugins, > one of which is LIGHTNING, which supports Google Calendar. So, > Slimer, what's the problem? Outlook 2013 also supports GnuPG through plug-ins but nobody is dumb enough to claim that it _natively_ supports GnuPG. You can move goal posts all you want but you know what I wrote and you know that I'm right . - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/oalAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+uFG8IAId3juFVSry+6JqFbj4YofKo DXWI6CWcyMervuJnwSL3kjosyf8eV8emE6hLmSjau6ldAftu0qb6o+b65Sdaxf0d x9TOWgfHjGlvX7RfS7YHp2oa4Vh/1cN4fCAO99wBB5G14vUMwmK5pgceZKZgSXho 52/aPvQOisrgudjP+6KP3tZ0EC9caKswDUBFji5NSVzTk5vicQjI3nji3bH8rVCR OYo/x0aE95Zz1U6z5luvdAGf8WMTdFpRHh0NAqWyKV/7v/mkCuYzi3BNQN5goecw mhFr36Hcy0IKq7+EkctOExlHFKmvIVV6ZQM3FL3qAUnsy7XWbGNXfYNQ2wZJRHM= =saix -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 15:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <cMadnQCmeOCcCWPKnZ2dnUU7-LmdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #376137 |
On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > > On 2016-10-12 12:27 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-10-12 12:04 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-10-12 10:11 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2016-10-12 5:10 AM, Alexander Suvorov wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello, Silver Slimer. On 10/12/16 2:05 AM you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% and >>>>>>>>>>> Windows was at 95.39%. " Gee, I wonder where the >>>>>>>>>>> developers will go. >>>>>>>>>> Where indeed?? If they make it simple to cross >>>>>>>>>> develop, what's the problem? And what did you >>>>>>>>>> expect at this early stage? A runaway success that >>>>>>>>>> smashes Windows right off the bat? >>>>>>>>> The only hope for Linux (and the Mac, ironically) is >>>>>>>>> if the Vulkan development platform becomes popular. >>>>>>>>> As it is, companies seem to prefer DirectX which >>>>>>>>> makes porting a difficult process. If, however, they >>>>>>>>> consider their options and realize how much smarter >>>>>>>>> using Vulkan would be, then Linux might actually >>>>>>>>> have a chance to get gaming users and therefore to >>>>>>>>> become a much more viable platform for whichever >>>>>>>>> developer resists at first. It won't happen though. >>>>>>>>> I've already seen Mantle fail in a short period of >>>>>>>>> time so there's no reason to believe Vulkan will fare >>>>>>>>> better. Besides, Linux doesn't do its users many >>>>>>>>> favours in having certain things not work in one >>>>>>>>> version and then working again in the next only to >>>>>>>>> become completely non-functional in the one after >>>>>>>>> that. That's how Ubuntu seems to work at least. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Again. I just don't get it, guys. As an Ubuntu user >>>>>>>> (and a gaming one, btw) I wonder what is it you all >>>>>>>> talking about that shouldn't work? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Import a GPG key into Seahorse. Let me know how well it >>>>>>> works. >>>>>> >>>>>> So use your head and switch to Thunderbird... >>>>> >>>>> Except that using Seahorse and importing your key there >>>>> allows it to be available in all applications that support >>>>> GPG including Evolution which syncs beautifully (and >>>>> natively) with Google Calendar. You're essentially reducing >>>>> functionality (unwillingly) because the open-source guys >>>>> can't get their act together. >>>> >>>> You can't use Google Calendar in Thunderbird??? Could have >>>> fooled me. >>> >>> Notice the use of the word _natively_ . With Thunderbird, you >>> can do so but require a plug-in. >> >> So Thunderbird has an architecture to NATIVELY support Plugins, >> one of which is LIGHTNING, which supports Google Calendar. So, >> Slimer, what's the problem? > > Outlook 2013 also supports GnuPG through plug-ins but nobody is dumb > enough to claim that it _natively_ supports GnuPG. You can move goal > posts all you want but you know what I wrote and you know that I'm right You're not right. Thunderbird by extension supports Google Calendar and GnuPG. So once again, you're just making bullshit up. I have teh functionality you claim I don't right in thunderbird. Fact: I run Thunderbird and I have access to my google calendar and GnuPG. I do not need Evolution. -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 16:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntm5f8$e5m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #376160 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-12 3:50 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >> On 2016-10-12 12:27 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-12 12:04 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-12 10:11 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-12 5:10 AM, Alexander Suvorov wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hello, Silver Slimer. On 10/12/16 2:05 AM you >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% >>>>>>>>>>>> and Windows was at 95.39%. " Gee, I wonder >>>>>>>>>>>> where the developers will go. >>>>>>>>>>> Where indeed?? If they make it simple to cross >>>>>>>>>>> develop, what's the problem? And what did you >>>>>>>>>>> expect at this early stage? A runaway success >>>>>>>>>>> that smashes Windows right off the bat? >>>>>>>>>> The only hope for Linux (and the Mac, >>>>>>>>>> ironically) is if the Vulkan development platform >>>>>>>>>> becomes popular. As it is, companies seem to >>>>>>>>>> prefer DirectX which makes porting a difficult >>>>>>>>>> process. If, however, they consider their options >>>>>>>>>> and realize how much smarter using Vulkan would >>>>>>>>>> be, then Linux might actually have a chance to >>>>>>>>>> get gaming users and therefore to become a much >>>>>>>>>> more viable platform for whichever developer >>>>>>>>>> resists at first. It won't happen though. I've >>>>>>>>>> already seen Mantle fail in a short period of >>>>>>>>>> time so there's no reason to believe Vulkan will >>>>>>>>>> fare better. Besides, Linux doesn't do its users >>>>>>>>>> many favours in having certain things not work in >>>>>>>>>> one version and then working again in the next >>>>>>>>>> only to become completely non-functional in the >>>>>>>>>> one after that. That's how Ubuntu seems to work >>>>>>>>>> at least. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Again. I just don't get it, guys. As an Ubuntu >>>>>>>>> user (and a gaming one, btw) I wonder what is it >>>>>>>>> you all talking about that shouldn't work? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Import a GPG key into Seahorse. Let me know how well >>>>>>>> it works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So use your head and switch to Thunderbird... >>>>>> >>>>>> Except that using Seahorse and importing your key there >>>>>> allows it to be available in all applications that >>>>>> support GPG including Evolution which syncs beautifully >>>>>> (and natively) with Google Calendar. You're essentially >>>>>> reducing functionality (unwillingly) because the >>>>>> open-source guys can't get their act together. >>>>> >>>>> You can't use Google Calendar in Thunderbird??? Could have >>>>> fooled me. >>>> >>>> Notice the use of the word _natively_ . With Thunderbird, you >>>> can do so but require a plug-in. >>> >>> So Thunderbird has an architecture to NATIVELY support Plugins, >>> one of which is LIGHTNING, which supports Google Calendar. So, >>> Slimer, what's the problem? >> >> Outlook 2013 also supports GnuPG through plug-ins but nobody is >> dumb enough to claim that it _natively_ supports GnuPG. You can >> move goal posts all you want but you know what I wrote and you >> know that I'm right > > You're not right. Thunderbird by extension supports Google > Calendar and GnuPG. So once again, you're just making bullshit up. > I have teh functionality you claim I don't right in thunderbird. > Fact: I run Thunderbird and I have access to my google calendar and > GnuPG. I do not need Evolution. Wow, you've turned into your own version of Peter haven't you? I never claimed that Thunderbird couldn't add the functionality through a plug-in, I claimed that Evolution had it built-in which was an advantage for me. Evolution uses whatever key is imported into Seahorse (or a similar key manager) and has built-in GnuPG and Google Calendar support whereas Thunderbird requires you to _add_ the functionality through a plug-in. The fact that Thunderbird ends up with its own key manager and only supports GnuPG if you add Enigmail makes it less interesting to me than an application which already has it because the latter ends up implementing it better. I still often have to press CTRL-Enter twice to post a message to a newsgroup because the plug-in keeps telling me that "encryption failed" even if I didn't encrypt. Hell, it just happened again now "Send operation aborted. Error - encryption command failed" but it will suddenly work if I press CTRL-Enter again. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/pk5AAoJEIwFfgf/rr+upx8H/AqgY6QiFCDjbtIbVJLCklw8 6L2cNtcKF75hEdP8fhUv9oW8z+l+cXDuYrvvYeAMugM8R3HR0uOfB3Nfwa6BpKVI xTZcDhAdtnHuAUDhHCU015c4QB4x+2JgQyAhkB19H+UAtmc5ux+v6s8qdJqEzrg5 oVzmgwVWOsqBIMXtkvn52zUbA8md6NaPW7lfH5crzvDF5t8HWdcR+50hXQ4Ik1XO 5OeNEv8R7WEXYZdqWb7I+bH43VmmC2GQblZQBveaX6vISFDtBvObajEhMxvwpZVO shqere4NWHK17IV6gl6+e6Huyj/CSb1/VFWWh+6/QKSXk6wqSydlbXhd4lN/Q6o= =f3Ib -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 16:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <hsGdndOugNg6A2PKnZ2dnUU7-LnNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #376169 |
On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > > On 2016-10-12 3:50 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-10-12 12:27 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-10-12 12:04 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2016-10-12 10:11 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-12 5:10 AM, Alexander Suvorov wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hello, Silver Slimer. On 10/12/16 2:05 AM you >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "The indicated OS X usage for May was 3.67% >>>>>>>>>>>>> and Windows was at 95.39%. " Gee, I wonder >>>>>>>>>>>>> where the developers will go. >>>>>>>>>>>> Where indeed?? If they make it simple to cross >>>>>>>>>>>> develop, what's the problem? And what did you >>>>>>>>>>>> expect at this early stage? A runaway success >>>>>>>>>>>> that smashes Windows right off the bat? >>>>>>>>>>> The only hope for Linux (and the Mac, >>>>>>>>>>> ironically) is if the Vulkan development platform >>>>>>>>>>> becomes popular. As it is, companies seem to >>>>>>>>>>> prefer DirectX which makes porting a difficult >>>>>>>>>>> process. If, however, they consider their options >>>>>>>>>>> and realize how much smarter using Vulkan would >>>>>>>>>>> be, then Linux might actually have a chance to >>>>>>>>>>> get gaming users and therefore to become a much >>>>>>>>>>> more viable platform for whichever developer >>>>>>>>>>> resists at first. It won't happen though. I've >>>>>>>>>>> already seen Mantle fail in a short period of >>>>>>>>>>> time so there's no reason to believe Vulkan will >>>>>>>>>>> fare better. Besides, Linux doesn't do its users >>>>>>>>>>> many favours in having certain things not work in >>>>>>>>>>> one version and then working again in the next >>>>>>>>>>> only to become completely non-functional in the >>>>>>>>>>> one after that. That's how Ubuntu seems to work >>>>>>>>>>> at least. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Again. I just don't get it, guys. As an Ubuntu >>>>>>>>>> user (and a gaming one, btw) I wonder what is it >>>>>>>>>> you all talking about that shouldn't work? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Import a GPG key into Seahorse. Let me know how well >>>>>>>>> it works. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So use your head and switch to Thunderbird... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Except that using Seahorse and importing your key there >>>>>>> allows it to be available in all applications that >>>>>>> support GPG including Evolution which syncs beautifully >>>>>>> (and natively) with Google Calendar. You're essentially >>>>>>> reducing functionality (unwillingly) because the >>>>>>> open-source guys can't get their act together. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can't use Google Calendar in Thunderbird??? Could have >>>>>> fooled me. >>>>> >>>>> Notice the use of the word _natively_ . With Thunderbird, you >>>>> can do so but require a plug-in. >>>> >>>> So Thunderbird has an architecture to NATIVELY support Plugins, >>>> one of which is LIGHTNING, which supports Google Calendar. So, >>>> Slimer, what's the problem? >>> >>> Outlook 2013 also supports GnuPG through plug-ins but nobody is >>> dumb enough to claim that it _natively_ supports GnuPG. You can >>> move goal posts all you want but you know what I wrote and you >>> know that I'm right >> >> You're not right. Thunderbird by extension supports Google >> Calendar and GnuPG. So once again, you're just making bullshit up. >> I have teh functionality you claim I don't right in thunderbird. >> Fact: I run Thunderbird and I have access to my google calendar and >> GnuPG. I do not need Evolution. > > Wow, you've turned into your own version of Peter haven't you? I don't have a problem with Peter. You do. Was that supposed to be a slap? Noted... The only problem I have is with your obvious trolling. And you're lying about what you're doing. You're not discussing important issues. You're just trolling. > I never claimed that Thunderbird couldn't add the functionality > through a plug-in, I claimed that Evolution had it built-in which was > an advantage for me. Evolution uses whatever key is imported into > Seahorse (or a similar key manager) and has built-in GnuPG and Google > Calendar support whereas Thunderbird requires you to _add_ the > functionality through a plug-in. The fact that Thunderbird ends up > with its own key manager and only supports GnuPG if you add Enigmail > makes it less interesting to me than an application which already has > it because the latter ends up implementing it better. I still often > have to press CTRL-Enter twice to post a message to a newsgroup > because the plug-in keeps telling me that "encryption failed" even if > I didn't encrypt. > > Hell, it just happened again now "Send operation aborted. > > Error - encryption command failed" but it will suddenly work if I > press CTRL-Enter again. I think you mean signing. What message are encrypting? I'm using slrn right now and I'd have to manually decrypt it, which I am not doing. -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 16:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntm7e8$lju$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #376182 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-12 4:35 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: < snip > >>> You're not right. Thunderbird by extension supports Google >>> Calendar and GnuPG. So once again, you're just making bullshit >>> up. I have teh functionality you claim I don't right in >>> thunderbird. Fact: I run Thunderbird and I have access to my >>> google calendar and GnuPG. I do not need Evolution. >> >> Wow, you've turned into your own version of Peter haven't you? > > I don't have a problem with Peter. You do. Because you've been bitten by one of the "advocates" and have since turned into one yourself, complete with a taste for human flesh. > Was that supposed to be a slap? Noted... The only problem I have is > with your obvious trolling. And you're lying about what you're > doing. You're not discussing important issues. You're just > trolling. It's not my fault that you have no idea what "native" means when referring to an application and that you believe that using plug-ins still means that certain functionality is "native." If you did, we wouldn't be having this back and forth discussion. >> I never claimed that Thunderbird couldn't add the functionality >> through a plug-in, I claimed that Evolution had it built-in which >> was an advantage for me. Evolution uses whatever key is imported >> into Seahorse (or a similar key manager) and has built-in GnuPG >> and Google Calendar support whereas Thunderbird requires you to >> _add_ the functionality through a plug-in. The fact that >> Thunderbird ends up with its own key manager and only supports >> GnuPG if you add Enigmail makes it less interesting to me than an >> application which already has it because the latter ends up >> implementing it better. I still often have to press CTRL-Enter >> twice to post a message to a newsgroup because the plug-in keeps >> telling me that "encryption failed" even if I didn't encrypt. >> >> Hell, it just happened again now "Send operation aborted. >> >> Error - encryption command failed" but it will suddenly work if >> I press CTRL-Enter again. > > I think you mean signing. What message are encrypting? I'm using > slrn right now and I'd have to manually decrypt it, which I am not > doing. The error message was posted to you as it was presented to me. I assume that they meant signing (which I do with every post) but they referred to encryption specifically. As it is a common theme for open-source applications, the developers of Enigmail decided to be as cryptic as possible in explaining what the problem is. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/qEaAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+ufnoH/3yBZlcn0JHgzLQzEN6xbh4/ LogSJa1GxrNBpcz8rYMEanRqvVRbJkUhe5B1SezCumGkvSsFwi45YSELXRBifOdV yUs9XajFokHu8maWHLunBNPtkTfaKLy6/oSi5BHnara9hAPzM6Co1MiCATKK7PFO LxFnmzp18vAGgZwOpKBPFNAqPPZgBACuF2D71aoEC3COi/z2uqj24V93Ub4RQGbF +OnJYo75rYnmCcXWv9qkpRYdDyiTbjymU8XFnXK/gBenkp4tMpsiSKhvVDPDhqCj 9c4wBTAaroqF9mEUEIAhG1TAiVyBh6amp8ubyGZUXj2iIOLW0/KblHIEsKl+Cbs= =HRdZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 17:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kNCdnfLZOvxdMGPKnZ2dnUU7-IvNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #376189 |
On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > > On 2016-10-12 4:35 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: > >< snip > > >>>> You're not right. Thunderbird by extension supports Google >>>> Calendar and GnuPG. So once again, you're just making bullshit >>>> up. I have teh functionality you claim I don't right in >>>> thunderbird. Fact: I run Thunderbird and I have access to my >>>> google calendar and GnuPG. I do not need Evolution. >>> >>> Wow, you've turned into your own version of Peter haven't you? >> >> I don't have a problem with Peter. You do. > > Because you've been bitten by one of the "advocates" and have since > turned into one yourself, complete with a taste for human flesh. Now you sound like Snit. >> Was that supposed to be a slap? Noted... The only problem I have is >> with your obvious trolling. And you're lying about what you're >> doing. You're not discussing important issues. You're just >> trolling. > > It's not my fault that you have no idea what "native" means when > referring to an application and that you believe that using plug-ins > still means that certain functionality is "native." If you did, we > wouldn't be having this back and forth discussion. Right.... Keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it sounds good to you. >>> I never claimed that Thunderbird couldn't add the functionality >>> through a plug-in, I claimed that Evolution had it built-in which >>> was an advantage for me. Evolution uses whatever key is imported >>> into Seahorse (or a similar key manager) and has built-in GnuPG >>> and Google Calendar support whereas Thunderbird requires you to >>> _add_ the functionality through a plug-in. The fact that >>> Thunderbird ends up with its own key manager and only supports >>> GnuPG if you add Enigmail makes it less interesting to me than an >>> application which already has it because the latter ends up >>> implementing it better. I still often have to press CTRL-Enter >>> twice to post a message to a newsgroup because the plug-in keeps >>> telling me that "encryption failed" even if I didn't encrypt. >>> >>> Hell, it just happened again now "Send operation aborted. >>> >>> Error - encryption command failed" but it will suddenly work if >>> I press CTRL-Enter again. >> >> I think you mean signing. What message are encrypting? I'm using >> slrn right now and I'd have to manually decrypt it, which I am not >> doing. > > The error message was posted to you as it was presented to me. I > assume that they meant signing (which I do with every post) but they > referred to encryption specifically. As it is a common theme for > open-source applications, the developers of Enigmail decided to be as > cryptic as possible in explaining what the problem is. Whatever. I'm not having any issue with it. And you don't need to sign every posts. What's the point of that? -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 17:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntmb0j$2cn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #376201 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-12 5:40 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: > On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >> On 2016-10-12 4:35 PM, Marek Novotny wrote: >> >> < snip > >> >>>>> You're not right. Thunderbird by extension supports Google >>>>> Calendar and GnuPG. So once again, you're just making >>>>> bullshit up. I have teh functionality you claim I don't >>>>> right in thunderbird. Fact: I run Thunderbird and I have >>>>> access to my google calendar and GnuPG. I do not need >>>>> Evolution. >>>> >>>> Wow, you've turned into your own version of Peter haven't >>>> you? >>> >>> I don't have a problem with Peter. You do. >> >> Because you've been bitten by one of the "advocates" and have >> since turned into one yourself, complete with a taste for human >> flesh. > > Now you sound like Snit. Uh huh. >>> Was that supposed to be a slap? Noted... The only problem I >>> have is with your obvious trolling. And you're lying about what >>> you're doing. You're not discussing important issues. You're >>> just trolling. >> >> It's not my fault that you have no idea what "native" means when >> referring to an application and that you believe that using >> plug-ins still means that certain functionality is "native." If >> you did, we wouldn't be having this back and forth discussion. > > Right.... Keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it sounds good to > you. Well, it's the actual way of saying it. If you're not aware of it, it's your problem. Popular publications like Maximum PC determine the terminology, not unknown Usenet users. If they say native for something built-into software, most people will recognize THAT definition, not your tap-dancing. >>>> I never claimed that Thunderbird couldn't add the >>>> functionality through a plug-in, I claimed that Evolution had >>>> it built-in which was an advantage for me. Evolution uses >>>> whatever key is imported into Seahorse (or a similar key >>>> manager) and has built-in GnuPG and Google Calendar support >>>> whereas Thunderbird requires you to _add_ the functionality >>>> through a plug-in. The fact that Thunderbird ends up with its >>>> own key manager and only supports GnuPG if you add Enigmail >>>> makes it less interesting to me than an application which >>>> already has it because the latter ends up implementing it >>>> better. I still often have to press CTRL-Enter twice to post >>>> a message to a newsgroup because the plug-in keeps telling me >>>> that "encryption failed" even if I didn't encrypt. >>>> >>>> Hell, it just happened again now "Send operation aborted. >>>> >>>> Error - encryption command failed" but it will suddenly work >>>> if I press CTRL-Enter again. >>> >>> I think you mean signing. What message are encrypting? I'm >>> using slrn right now and I'd have to manually decrypt it, which >>> I am not doing. >> >> The error message was posted to you as it was presented to me. I >> assume that they meant signing (which I do with every post) but >> they referred to encryption specifically. As it is a common theme >> for open-source applications, the developers of Enigmail decided >> to be as cryptic as possible in explaining what the problem is. > > Whatever. I'm not having any issue with it. And you don't need to > sign every posts. What's the point of that? I just feel like it. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/q9lAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+uXHUH/j/GSFvslPSoAzyWPJ41VCqf KfGxi0S7z2nS+H1wDdKSiCphkvvbEs/qITpy8Bv/puZxsovzHUXiJis9xQQsOZXV itabHUMh+vzwN5UOXnDgR8FOueKNHe79Kli8yYz54LGcbF8omFoRZKRzYHrqgweX E9cQx3xm+f4uFoz0hNHFxc5XRWN9XaRO/6/lr80Y5QnraudA2OGpOqZMa8gi531g xLpqi7Jqv1BEvtmGf+YfWhLg2//rVwI+JmeIQoV4Q8w5lbHHoWViR67HhrcLZTQx 5Y2AhCi+t/zQVqGmyBqG+7ZncolHXbY4uNBMPg4h2tuMyhgaSiuK/jW7zenT0y0= =v00a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 20:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntm63u$esh$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #376104 |
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 12:27:42 -0400, Marek Novotny wrote: > So Thunderbird has an architecture to NATIVELY support Plugins, one of > which is LIGHTNING, which supports Google Calendar. So, Slimer, what's > the problem? His pathological lying. -- Zero tolerance for iCultists and WinDrones
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| From | ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 20:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ntm5rm$esh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #376041 |
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 12:10:52 +0300, Alexander Suvorov wrote: > Again. I just don't get it, guys. As an Ubuntu user (and a gaming one, > btw) I wonder what is it you all talking about that shouldn't work? They don't know. They're trolls. They don't actually use Linux, they just Google disparate and specific issues with Linux (issues probably resolved within hours) and regurgitate their inadequate "research" (i.e., BS) on COLA -- Zero tolerance for iCultists and WinDrones
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 16:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntm6c1$hec$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #376172 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-12 4:19 PM, ronb wrote: > On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 12:10:52 +0300, Alexander Suvorov wrote: > >> Again. I just don't get it, guys. As an Ubuntu user (and a gaming >> one, btw) I wonder what is it you all talking about that >> shouldn't work? > > They don't know. They're trolls. They don't actually use Linux, > they just Google disparate and specific issues with Linux (issues > probably resolved within hours) and regurgitate their inadequate > "research" (i.e., BS) on COLA Except that the issues are _not_ resolved in hours and some of the bugs exist in the kernel for years at a time. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/pzTAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+uLMIH/00xVvCoydpxJg+ks4DYqoV4 jfb/4An+y/dMVyxu7W7pYkIIgBOcTxrzdH/qkFldW1zrDP6nXVIAvyrOyV4VjC3K UklCwPwiYsFf/FwzxHgYDrt/yYGIdcrpe+/0ElfkCXzi0AS23I3b0dXoca7YYoGR OqVehPj41vKTZHZN2CFl12YcDhSNf0CfCYmcuhWta7xX0FksDfNtYTuiCJxEIKVs oqMkrPcAfOLKxHdiICq/Xtk81tqMWtBdThiNwlGf+LEiAE/vhfkgxUW+duWKA4Br XIOT4qjHqVsyEFshqxPhgzrlp4MOFT/mhN/2ClNAoE7ISdvnareNWrIp1j4mexA= =Gzig -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 17:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <LNmdndqLkoYNNWPKnZ2dnUU7-YednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #376178 |
On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > > On 2016-10-12 4:19 PM, ronb wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 12:10:52 +0300, Alexander Suvorov wrote: >> >>> Again. I just don't get it, guys. As an Ubuntu user (and a gaming >>> one, btw) I wonder what is it you all talking about that >>> shouldn't work? >> >> They don't know. They're trolls. They don't actually use Linux, >> they just Google disparate and specific issues with Linux (issues >> probably resolved within hours) and regurgitate their inadequate >> "research" (i.e., BS) on COLA > > Except that the issues are _not_ resolved in hours and some of the > bugs exist in the kernel for years at a time. And that's not true for Windows and Mac? Seriously? -- Marek Novotny https://github.com/marek-novotny
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 23:25 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <20161012232549.796f3425@maxa-pc.cpe.bvcom.net> |
| In reply to | #376197 |
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 17:18:08 -0400 Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> wrote: > On 2016-10-12, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > > > > On 2016-10-12 4:19 PM, ronb wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 12:10:52 +0300, Alexander Suvorov wrote: > >> > >>> Again. I just don't get it, guys. As an Ubuntu user (and a gaming > >>> one, btw) I wonder what is it you all talking about that > >>> shouldn't work? > >> > >> They don't know. They're trolls. They don't actually use Linux, > >> they just Google disparate and specific issues with Linux (issues > >> probably resolved within hours) and regurgitate their inadequate > >> "research" (i.e., BS) on COLA > > > > Except that the issues are _not_ resolved in hours and some of the > > bugs exist in the kernel for years at a time. > > And that's not true for Windows and Mac? Seriously? > Concerning kernel, I reported few bugs that were promptly solved. Thing is that bugs exists for years because no one discovered and reported them yet. Linux kernel has fine mechanism for discovering and reporting bugs, so I guess that it is more responsive in regards to that ,then closed source OS's. (Apple is Darwin based though) -- press any key to continue or any other to quit
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| From | William Poaster <wp@dev.null> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 23:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <tt40dd-012.ln1@debian.machineone.org> |
| In reply to | #375961 |
On 11/10/2016 17:01 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Marek Novotny posted: > On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >> On 2016-10-11 11:39 AM, Marek Novotny wrote: >>> On 2016-10-11, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek Novotny >>>> wrote: >>>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> // snip >>>>> >>>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than >>>>>> RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no money to be >>>>>> made selling such stuff on the platform. >>>>> >>>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is producing >>>>> software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical to work on >>>>> Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. >>>>> >>>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. >>>>> That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 >>>>> contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They >>>>> too contribute to the Linux kernel. What about the people >>>>> working on bring the Linux environment to Microsoft windows? >>>>> They are not Linux software developers? Of course they are. >>>> >>>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an article entitled: >>>> >>>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux contributions >>>> have come to a halt." >>>> >>>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really stuck >>>> out to me: >>>> >>>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of their >>>> employment." >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-sam >> sung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >>> >>>> >>> Yes, I had provided a link from the Linux Foundation some time >>> back. I do that from time to time. The Linux Foundation publishes a >>> lot of research in this particular area. Linux jobs are plentiful. >>> There is so much Linux infrastructure. Just look at Docker. Look at >>> Ansible, Puppet, Chef, Juju. Look at the volume of work going into >>> OpenStack and related file systems. How about IBM's push into Linux >>> with the LinuxOne Main Frame. It's frankly everywhere you look. >>> Look at the job opportunities from Apple or Pixar. Both want Linux >>> developers. Apple's push with Swift, which is open source and >>> released for Linux. Who developed it? Apple. It didn't appear from >>> thin air. Someone had to develop that for Linux. Microsoft >>> releasing SQLserver for Linux. I could go on and on. >> >> I'm still wondering when any of you will respond to the fact that >> developers don't make money selling software _on_ the Linux platform. >> Everyone is so adamant about misreading what I wrote. > > You're back to same old broken record again. Clion, the IDE I like to > use for C is published by jetBrains. Look them up. I pay for that > software. I Paid for Qoppa PDFStudio Pro. Zimbra has both an open source > and an enhanced version which is paid for. I used Zimbra for more than a > year as my mail server and client. Look at all those games in Steam > catalog. Those are being sold for money and there are more than a > thousand of them. I am assume you've heard of VMWare? Isn't DropBox > software as well as a service? I'm paying for it and it runs on my > Majaro laptop as I speak. That's paid for software on Linux. Remember > those codecs I mentioned from Fluendo? One Play, the media player, the > DVD player, the media codecs... All of these are paid for software. Is > Microsoft not publishing SQLServer for Linux? Autodesk sells Maya for > rhel do they not? As you see, the trouble with trolls like "Silver Slimer" is that they open their mouths before engaging their brain...or what they call a brain. -- What IS remarkable, is that a well developed ape has come to realise that he lives on a planet, circling a sun, in a planetary system, within a galaxy, within a universe. - Professor Michio Kaku - Theoretical Physicist -
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 11:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntj138$c2b$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #375950 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-11 11:29 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek Novotny > wrote: >> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >> >> // snip >> >>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than >>> RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no money to be made >>> selling such stuff on the platform. >> >> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is producing >> software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical to work on >> Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. >> >> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. That's >> a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 contributors. >> Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They too contribute to >> the Linux kernel. What about the people working on bring the >> Linux environment to Microsoft windows? They are not Linux >> software developers? Of course they are. > > The arstechnica.com site recently published an article entitled: > > "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors." > "And Microsoft's days of major Linux contributions have come to a > halt." Samsung's contributions have made it possible for the kernel to explode. > I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really stuck out > to me: > > "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of their > employment." > > <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-sams ung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> By > the way, I'm sure you noticed that in my original post, I wrote "since there is no money to be made selling such stuff on the platform." Every single person who has responded to my claim has mentioned that there are employees contributing to the kernel but not one said a thing about the fact that programmers can't make money producing software ON the platform. None of what I said referred to the kernel. Of course _hardware_ manufacturers will pay people to customize the kernel for whatever device they're selling but where are the third-parties making millions with Linux software? And then they claim that *I* can't read. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/Qe5AAoJEIwFfgf/rr+ug2sH/j6Q8vlRDJhacFD15QV0Stye 1OgxDw9rC3Zszq0IZh3CIg126bpWR7gYMCoQQW0rIC/mcZEMWA2aDGaYiRyaOGDX HOnYoyTkAywiVyQdjU+9d7T99M5Bv5lD8zXeJH1BpHxWzeZt/ObBHy2uWt/uGHJj Zd9HY1Zv/7H6FknPiOQ2y7lueh0HVdodj+0nFkwrhh2ujylMLUH0rAJj9KOIJqkb HK8pm3E/ayd+c+MOwFviZDnNVMBuq2MpNSKIBuHRTaNDfzvU2Zsnyi8lUvVDAGQs /l1onDrs3pxmxDzo67Lp2WQNC2zxkJ6eFbJScO+TPqUGPTsfa/FpwOCgtV6I8/0= =pOEG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 09:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <15d6009c-ee5c-4242-980c-626e49033831@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #375955 |
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-6, Silver Slimer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 2016-10-11 11:29 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek Novotny > > wrote: > >> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: > >> > >> // snip > >> > >>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than > >>> RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no money to be made > >>> selling such stuff on the platform. > >> > >> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is producing > >> software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical to work on > >> Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. > >> > >> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. That's > >> a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 contributors. > >> Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They too contribute to > >> the Linux kernel. What about the people working on bring the > >> Linux environment to Microsoft windows? They are not Linux > >> software developers? Of course they are. > > > > The arstechnica.com site recently published an article entitled: > > > > "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux contributors." > > "And Microsoft's days of major Linux contributions have come to a > > halt." > > Samsung's contributions have made it possible for the kernel to explode. > > > I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really stuck out > > to me: > > > > "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of their > > employment." > > > > <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-sams > ung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> > > By > > > the way, I'm sure you noticed that in my original post, I wrote > "since there is no money to be made selling such stuff on the > platform." I didn't see it, sorry. I only posted it because of your other claim, which clearly isn't true... even if it was made as a followup to the context you suggest. > Every single person who has responded to my claim has > mentioned that there are employees contributing to the kernel but not > one said a thing about the fact that programmers can't make money > producing software ON the platform. None of what I said referred to > the kernel. Of course _hardware_ manufacturers will pay people to > customize the kernel for whatever device they're selling but where are > the third-parties making millions with Linux software? You'd still be wrong, people pay for other customizations, too (plugins to extant Linux software) and people commission programmers to write desktop Linux software for custom use. This market is enormous and varied to the extent that it can't be tracked well. No corporation would be paying people to write Linux code if there hadn't already been an established base of solid activity around it. As for commercial endeavors, there's not as much, relatively speaking (to other platforms) but it seems the money is in support anyway and this is true outside of the Linux market. That commercial desktop Linux software isn't doing well has as much, if not more, to do with the desktop market itself. So if what you mean by "ON" only focuses on commercial Linux desktop, there is less money, but not *no* money, the bigger money is elsewhere, just like it is outside of the Linux market. This industry isn't what it once was and anyone who believes it will be revived at some point needs to understand the changes that have taken place. I think this guy is more right than wrong: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2016/04/15/pc-sales-in-q1-drop-more-than-10-are-you-surprised-do-you-care/#5d5e9a922a8d>
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| From | Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 16:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ntjhis$eoe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #375968 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2016-10-11 12:41 PM, Steve Carroll wrote: > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:39:39 AM UTC-6, Silver Slimer > wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 >> >> On 2016-10-11 11:29 AM, Steve Carroll wrote: >>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:19:19 AM UTC-6, Marek >>> Novotny wrote: >>>> On 2016-10-11, Silver Slimer <> wrote: >>>> >>>> // snip >>>> >>>>> No company is hiring to produce Linux software other than >>>>> RedHat as far as I can tell since there is no money to be >>>>> made selling such stuff on the platform. >>>> >>>> Incorrect. Any distribution that pays any employee is >>>> producing software for Linux. If you're hired by Canonical to >>>> work on Ubuntu, you're a paid Linux software developer. >>>> >>>> Does intel pay their kernel developers? Of course they do. >>>> That's a paid Linux developer. And just look at the top 20 >>>> contributors. Even Microsoft has paid Linux developers. They >>>> too contribute to the Linux kernel. What about the people >>>> working on bring the Linux environment to Microsoft windows? >>>> They are not Linux software developers? Of course they are. >>> >>> The arstechnica.com site recently published an article >>> entitled: >>> >>> "Google and Samsung soar into list of top 10 Linux >>> contributors." "And Microsoft's days of major Linux >>> contributions have come to a halt." >> >> Samsung's contributions have made it possible for the kernel to >> explode. >> >>> I knew it was big and getting bigger but this line really stuck >>> out to me: >>> >>> "Most Linux developers contribute to the kernel as part of >>> their employment." >>> >>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/google-and-sa ms >> >>> ung-soar-into-list-of-top-10-linux-contributors/> >> >> By >>> >> the way, I'm sure you noticed that in my original post, I wrote >> "since there is no money to be made selling such stuff on the >> platform." > > I didn't see it, sorry. I only posted it because of your other > claim, which clearly isn't true... even if it was made as a > followup to the context you suggest. > >> Every single person who has responded to my claim has mentioned >> that there are employees contributing to the kernel but not one >> said a thing about the fact that programmers can't make money >> producing software ON the platform. None of what I said referred >> to the kernel. Of course _hardware_ manufacturers will pay people >> to customize the kernel for whatever device they're selling but >> where are the third-parties making millions with Linux software? > > You'd still be wrong, people pay for other customizations, too > (plugins to extant Linux software) and people commission > programmers to write desktop Linux software for custom use. This > market is enormous and varied to the extent that it can't be > tracked well. No corporation would be paying people to write Linux > code if there hadn't already been an established base of solid > activity around it. As for commercial endeavors, there's not as > much, relatively speaking (to other platforms) but it seems the > money is in support anyway and this is true outside of the Linux > market. That commercial desktop Linux software isn't doing well has > as much, if not more, to do with the desktop market itself. So if > what you mean by "ON" only focuses on commercial Linux desktop, > there is less money, but not *no* money, the bigger money is > elsewhere, just like it is outside of the Linux market. This > industry isn't what it once was and anyone who believes it will be > revived at some point needs to understand the changes that have > taken place. I think this guy is more right than wrong: > > <http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2016/04/15/pc-sales-in-q1-dro p-more-than-10-are-you-surprised-do-you-care/#5d5e9a922a8d> Thanks > for the article and frankly, I have no choice but to agree with the guy. - -- Silver Slimer Islam is a disease Gab.AI: @silverslimer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJX/UmtAAoJEIwFfgf/rr+uDowH/3Xux4dU8v0Cg1clWxal6mDf slK+NvZ6XU+y/75d4V9KYTmyswDWYtlCgN40MmCAfegG+S7oOMSdBkFxQ5U0pzJJ e983KCqMgCrDZ4VcSEhF/OzZS8ppdbUZ0Wl/1OFg0oR9EdSkI7gnKrFfHdf6i7VH XKOPr4nXGE3KpCL40XbUWKTK33/YmTtvD+seKn1TDZJX7IIRTPbizCvja0SQ6ZUY ZU08At/1djoEyDWW/KfhHXpRJtELKrtSo+h0w07Cj8VLYTImKPl0z+UpQqmV/Imd tM/E2tfTC5lfxKTPiukIoTOkm/6gbXpy7crgQ5y9Htq9voZOPMm2uzUxksN26m0= =p0K+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Sandman <mr@sandman.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-11 05:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sandman-9ebe8a06d00b2629c23b6852c9e2f187@individual.net> |
| In reply to | #375877 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In article <nth81t$dms$1@dont-email.me>, Silver Slimer wrote: > > > > > I honestly cannot figure out why anyone would use such a > > > > > shit OS. Nothing works on it, why not just buy a Mac? > > > > > > ebinsageman@gmail.com: > > Looks like the Prescott Parasite needs attention. > > > Prescot Parasite? What is that? I just want to know why you would > > use such a backwards, incomprehensible operating system. > > Seriously, Macs are so much easier to use and better all around. > > Just look at iMessage. There is no 3rd party alternative to that. > > Not all of us are Linux users. As for iMessage though, there are > tons of alternatives to that. Skype and ooVoo are two, both of which > are cross-platform unlike iMessage. The open-source ones are > different in that they don't provide video but they also don't log > your messages to provide them to the cops the way that iMessage > does. Which of course they don't, or even can, since iMessage is encrypted. Some documents showed that Apple retains logs of whom you have communicated with, something they are bound to log in one fashion or another given the fact that they are facilitating that communication. But the actual content of the messages is 100% encrypted and can't be read or logged by anyone. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJX/H6aAAoJECFEwfBaA+jRK2oIAKcFMtHEpIUIG16SgClugETn /EkXjh69SfdBlNzzFLJECObqbrqx7tp96/bOuOAC3ohVuQcSvkJzagp5gJkaxzYl t9dl02Z5ihiZKjVZCNGfJz9KpLK8W/4y6VtnA74hpfpf1yoUWRHLsGcXJRKxiZwb lWWr9jAurulLMx2otj8TT52+q5SoQbT4U/8bimr4nLZNVvqDeKcug4knEWJBe16o er6q1+kClYcQ9x6wdfAFnRgyz9AvIxgVxytnUEA5yPgZWkss8MCwOwP74Lqw9b9I mDfT9h/LUV+YEfKV8g784eudZTsOMhqIXZbl2ajmoxri7bFWCyL8b4NSyOv5IlA= =GNMc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Sandman
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