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  Linux Technology vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-28 02:35 +0000
    Re: Linux Technology Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-27 19:47 -0700
      Re: Linux Technology Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-28 04:56 +0200
        Re: Linux Technology Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-27 20:04 -0700
          Re: Linux Technology Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-28 05:12 +0200
            Re: Linux Technology Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-27 20:43 -0700
              Re: Linux Technology Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-28 09:59 +0000
        Re: Linux Technology Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-28 09:33 +0000
          Re: Linux Technology Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 04:15 -0700
            Re: Linux Technology Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-28 13:50 +0200
              Re: Linux Technology Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-28 16:20 +0100
                Shut up rodent, Tricks are for Kids, NOT rabbits John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 12:31 -0700
                Re: Linux Technology Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-28 23:16 +0200
                  Re: Linux Technology Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-28 15:58 -0700
                    Re: Linux Technology Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-29 09:30 +0200
                      Re: Linux Technology Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-29 10:24 +0100
                        Re: Linux Technology Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-29 13:25 +0200
                        Re: Linux Technology GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-04-29 17:06 -0600
                          Re: Linux Technology Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-30 02:14 +0200
                            Re: Linux Technology Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-30 02:28 +0200
                              Re: Linux Technology Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-30 02:58 +0200
                                Re: Linux Technology Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-30 03:15 +0200
                                  Re: Linux Technology Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-30 03:37 +0200
                                    Re: Linux Technology Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-30 04:00 +0200
                                      Re: Linux Technology Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-30 04:39 +0200
                                    Re: Linux Technology meat <meat.stretcher@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-30 13:29 +0000
                                      Re: Linux Technology Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-30 15:51 +0200
                                        Re: Linux Technology meat <meat.stretcher@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-30 14:10 +0000
                                          Re: Linux Technology Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-30 09:47 -0700
                          Re: Linux Technology Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-29 18:34 -0700
                            Re: Linux Technology GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-04-30 17:21 -0600
                            Re: Linux Technology GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-04-30 17:23 -0600
                              Re: Linux Technology Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-30 19:33 -0700
                      Re: Linux Technology DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-29 09:20 -0400
                        Re: Linux Technology Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-29 15:44 +0200
                          Re: Linux Technology Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-29 08:32 -0700
                          Re: Linux Technology DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-29 12:07 -0400
                            Re: Linux Technology Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 09:13 -0700
                              Re: Linux Technology Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-29 18:50 +0200
                              Re: Linux Technology DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-29 13:41 -0400
                            Re: Linux Technology Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-29 18:24 +0200
                            Re: Linux Technology Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-29 22:09 +0000
                              Re: Linux Technology DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-29 18:58 -0400
                                Re: Linux Technology Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-29 23:26 +0000
                      Re: Linux Technology Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-29 10:40 -0700
                        Re: Linux Technology Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-29 22:51 +0200
                  Re: Linux Technology DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-01 16:11 -0400
                    Re: Linux Technology Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-05-02 00:07 +0200
              Re: Linux Technology DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-18 17:01 -0400
                Re: Linux Technology Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-05-18 23:30 +0200
                  Re: Linux Technology DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-28 10:10 -0400
                  Re: Linux Technology JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-06-01 22:00 -0500
                    Re: Linux Technology DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-06-02 00:02 -0400
                    Re: Linux Technology Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-06-01 21:28 -0700
                      Re: Linux Technology Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 10:29 -0700
    Re: Linux Technology Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-28 05:07 +0200
      Re: Linux Technology vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-28 03:33 +0000
    Re: Linux Technology vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-28 03:13 +0000
      Re: Linux Technology Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-27 20:42 -0700
    Re: Linux Technology John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 02:42 -0700
    Re: Linux Technology John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 02:43 -0700

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#352789

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:44:38 -0700
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 4/29/16, 5:28 PM, in article 20160430022817.2e009f4e@maxa-pc,
> "Melzzzzz" <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:17:28 -0700
> > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> On 4/29/16, 5:14 PM, in article 20160430021405.420bca84@maxa-pc,
> >> "Melzzzzz" <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> >>   
> >>>>>> So no verifiable evidence, just your own claim again. Will you
> >>>>>> *ever* manage to back up one of your claims?  
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Actually, he is right on this one.  Wifes new iMac has a 5400
> >>>>> rpm HD in it.  On startup it is very slow for whatever reasons.
> >>>>> Starting up Xcode on it ... may as well go get a cup of coffee
> >>>>> and then come back. The mac also slows down really bad over a
> >>>>> week... then you have to go to the culprit-> email app.  Seems
> >>>>> that it is always busy zipping logs to the user account deep
> >>>>> down into the Logs directory.  After removing them the system
> >>>>> comes back to its original sluggishness.  I really don't know
> >>>>> what they did to El Capitan, but Snow leopard was a whole lot
> >>>>> better on just a dual intel cpu.     
> >>>> 
> >>>> The 54000 RPM drive is an insane choice.  
> >>> 
> >>> For insane price, insane choice...  
> >> 
> >> I like Macs... but I have no defense for their drive choices. It
> >> really makes no sense in today's world. Even the idea that they
> >> run a bit cooler or quieter - you can deal with that in better
> >> ways.  
> > 
> > Their drive choice is limited by fact that iMacs pac hdd into
> > monitor which means heat damage ... (my 2008 iMac has damaged
> > monitor)  
> 
> I would prefer if they made the machines a bit wider. I do not get the
> obsession with them being so thin. I do get the idea of having it be
> relatively attractive and stylish... you look at it a lot - but I
> almost never stand up and look at the width. Just seems silly... even
> at twice the width I would not care one whit.
> 

I think that they lost the ball with this. OS X is now bloatware and
requires SSD. They have to drop prices of SSDs as putting HDD in iMac
is ridiculous...

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#352791

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:03:55 -0700
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 4/29/16, 5:58 PM, in article 20160430025808.005e84d2@maxa-pc,
> "Melzzzzz" <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> 
> >>>>>> The 54000 RPM drive is an insane choice.  
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> For insane price, insane choice...  
> >>>> 
> >>>> I like Macs... but I have no defense for their drive choices. It
> >>>> really makes no sense in today's world. Even the idea that they
> >>>> run a bit cooler or quieter - you can deal with that in better
> >>>> ways.    
> >>> 
> >>> Their drive choice is limited by fact that iMacs pac hdd into
> >>> monitor which means heat damage ... (my 2008 iMac has damaged
> >>> monitor)    
> >> 
> >> I would prefer if they made the machines a bit wider. I do not get
> >> the obsession with them being so thin. I do get the idea of having
> >> it be relatively attractive and stylish... you look at it a lot -
> >> but I almost never stand up and look at the width. Just seems
> >> silly... even at twice the width I would not care one whit.  
> > 
> > I think that they lost the ball with this. OS X is now bloatware and
> > requires SSD. They have to drop prices of SSDs as putting HDD in
> > iMac is ridiculous...  
> 
> Overall I am pretty happy with OS X, though there are definitely
> places they have gone I do not like. Even visually, the new look
> makes it too easy to confuse the front window with others. This makes
> it more likely to accidently hit the wrong close buttons - and I
> *have* done this on occasion with windows on my second monitor...
> ones I am generally not paying as much attention to. Could call it
> user error - after all I *could* pay more attention, but I should not
> have to. That is, of course, just one area... there are others, and
> "deeper" ones where it could be improved.

Overall I am unhappy with OSX at work. Having applications individually
to bother me about updates, sucks. Also having bad integration with X
is another minus. And those iCloud connection attempts are ridiculous
as well. Only advantage I see over Windows i heaving proper shell
so I can work.


> 
> Overall, though, it is a great OS and offers me tools that no other
> environment does. I appreciate it... but it does not mean I will
> ignore its warts.
> 

Overall it is bloatware...

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#352797

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:20:22 -0700
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> 
> For those who use X I can understand this. If you are using X as a
> common environment why would you not go with Linux?

I am using Linux at home. And am too lazy to hack Mac at work to install
Linux...

> 
> > And those iCloud connection attempts are ridiculous as well. Only
> > advantage I see over Windows i heaving proper shell so I can work.  
> 
> What type of work do you do with the machine?

I do programming.

>  
> >> Overall, though, it is a great OS and offers me tools that no other
> >> environment does. I appreciate it... but it does not mean I will
> >> ignore its warts.  
> > 
> > Overall it is bloatware...  
> 
> If you are looking for something which is mostly a tool to get to the
> CLI and X, yes, it has a LOT more than that for things you are not
> using. Absolutely.

i would use Mac at home for only one reason: developing for it(eg iOS).
But they don't have reasonable desktop offer.

> 
> 

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#352799

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:57:15 -0700
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 4/29/16, 6:37 PM, in article 20160430033726.0033f1c9@maxa-pc,
> "Melzzzzz" <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:20:22 -0700
> > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> 
> >> For those who use X I can understand this. If you are using X as a
> >> common environment why would you not go with Linux?  
> > 
> > I am using Linux at home. And am too lazy to hack Mac at work to
> > install Linux...  
> 
> Hack it? Just install it.

How?

> 
> >>> And those iCloud connection attempts are ridiculous as well. Only
> >>> advantage I see over Windows i heaving proper shell so I can
> >>> work.  
> >> 
> >> What type of work do you do with the machine?  
> > 
> > I do programming.  
> 
> And likely not for Macs, right?

No. For Linux.

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#352802

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:26:23 -0700
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 4/29/16, 7:00 PM, in article 20160430040056.22e3c405@maxa-pc,
> "Melzzzzz" <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:57:15 -0700
> > Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> On 4/29/16, 6:37 PM, in article 20160430033726.0033f1c9@maxa-pc,
> >> "Melzzzzz" <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> >>   
> >>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:20:22 -0700
> >>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >>>     
> >>>> 
> >>>> For those who use X I can understand this. If you are using X as
> >>>> a common environment why would you not go with Linux?  
> >>> 
> >>> I am using Linux at home. And am too lazy to hack Mac at work to
> >>> install Linux...  
> >> 
> >> Hack it? Just install it.  
> > 
> > How?  
> 
> Never done itbut I would assume just install from USB flash drive...
> reboot holding down the option key and you can select it. If you want
> to do a dual book you can install a boot loader first (unless the
> newest Apple ones would work - I believe at one point they did not
> for Linux).

Ok, I'll have that in mind if needed.

> 
> >>>>> And those iCloud connection attempts are ridiculous as well.
> >>>>> Only advantage I see over Windows i heaving proper shell so I
> >>>>> can work.    
> >>>> 
> >>>> What type of work do you do with the machine?  
> >>> 
> >>> I do programming.  
> >> 
> >> And likely not for Macs, right?  
> > 
> > No. For Linux.  
> 
> Yeah, then using a Mac seems an odd choice. Why would the company
> even give you one to use? Seems like they could have saved a lot of
> money with a PC.
> 
> 
Macs are sane choice for office. I am against having them at home, but
in office they are great. My iMac at work is from 2008, so it is not
that much money if you look it up.

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#352842

On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 03:37:26 +0200, Melzzzzz wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:20:22 -0700 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> For those who use X I can understand this. If you are using X as a
>> common environment why would you not go with Linux?
> 
> I am using Linux at home. And am too lazy to hack Mac at work to install
> Linux...
> 
> 
>> > And those iCloud connection attempts are ridiculous as well. Only
>> > advantage I see over Windows i heaving proper shell so I can work.
>> 
>> What type of work do you do with the machine?
> 
> I do programming.
> 
> 
>> >> Overall, though, it is a great OS and offers me tools that no other
>> >> environment does. I appreciate it... but it does not mean I will
>> >> ignore its warts.
>> > 
>> > Overall it is bloatware...
>> 
>> If you are looking for something which is mostly a tool to get to the
>> CLI and X, yes, it has a LOT more than that for things you are not
>> using. Absolutely.
> 
> i would use Mac at home for only one reason: developing for it(eg iOS).
> But they don't have reasonable desktop offer.

Apple has always focused on external devices and using an ever changing 
interface to support those devices. The latest is Thunderbolt.  It fits 
into their non-standard case philosophy. They also have a build it the 
way you want it from day one or you are screwed philosophy. Upgrades that 
are trivial to a PC can be extremely expensive or impossible with some 
Apple devices.

I find OSX to be quite bloated and Apple systems to be nothing special 
considering their high price.
At one point I believed that the reason for Apple's high prices was 
because they control literally everything and all of this is tested and 
retested to a high degree. Much unlike Microsoft who have to support all 
kinds of third party hardware and software and various combinations of 
such. 
The release of El Capitan deleted that myth from my brain as it has been 
a horror story for many people and especially those in the multimedia 
field which happens to be one of Apple's most lucrative markets. 
It's been 8 months since the release and only now is it getting supported 
by oem manufacturers. That is not a good sign.








-- 
Meat
Why do they call you Meat? Is it because you are so big?
Yep. You catch em and I'll stretch em.
My college nickname was "The Stretch-Her"

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#352846

On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:29:35 -0000 (UTC)
meat <meat.stretcher@linuxmail.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 03:37:26 +0200, Melzzzzz wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:20:22 -0700 Snit
> > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > 
> >   
> >> For those who use X I can understand this. If you are using X as a
> >> common environment why would you not go with Linux?  
> > 
> > I am using Linux at home. And am too lazy to hack Mac at work to
> > install Linux...
> > 
> >   
> >> > And those iCloud connection attempts are ridiculous as well. Only
> >> > advantage I see over Windows i heaving proper shell so I can
> >> > work.  
> >> 
> >> What type of work do you do with the machine?  
> > 
> > I do programming.
> > 
> >   
> >> >> Overall, though, it is a great OS and offers me tools that no
> >> >> other environment does. I appreciate it... but it does not mean
> >> >> I will ignore its warts.  
> >> > 
> >> > Overall it is bloatware...  
> >> 
> >> If you are looking for something which is mostly a tool to get to
> >> the CLI and X, yes, it has a LOT more than that for things you are
> >> not using. Absolutely.  
> > 
> > i would use Mac at home for only one reason: developing for it(eg
> > iOS). But they don't have reasonable desktop offer.  
> 
> Apple has always focused on external devices and using an ever
> changing interface to support those devices. The latest is
> Thunderbolt.  It fits into their non-standard case philosophy. They
> also have a build it the way you want it from day one or you are
> screwed philosophy. Upgrades that are trivial to a PC can be
> extremely expensive or impossible with some Apple devices.
> 
> I find OSX to be quite bloated and Apple systems to be nothing
> special considering their high price.

Yep. I would gladly buy good Apple computer for a price. But they sell
subpar systems considering high price.

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#352856

On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:51:20 +0200, Melzzzzz wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:29:35 -0000 (UTC)
> meat <meat.stretcher@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 03:37:26 +0200, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> 
>> > On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:20:22 -0700 Snit
>> > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> For those who use X I can understand this. If you are using X as a
>> >> common environment why would you not go with Linux?
>> > 
>> > I am using Linux at home. And am too lazy to hack Mac at work to
>> > install Linux...
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> > And those iCloud connection attempts are ridiculous as well. Only
>> >> > advantage I see over Windows i heaving proper shell so I can work.
>> >> 
>> >> What type of work do you do with the machine?
>> > 
>> > I do programming.
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> >> Overall, though, it is a great OS and offers me tools that no
>> >> >> other environment does. I appreciate it... but it does not mean I
>> >> >> will ignore its warts.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Overall it is bloatware...
>> >> 
>> >> If you are looking for something which is mostly a tool to get to
>> >> the CLI and X, yes, it has a LOT more than that for things you are
>> >> not using. Absolutely.
>> > 
>> > i would use Mac at home for only one reason: developing for it(eg
>> > iOS). But they don't have reasonable desktop offer.
>> 
>> Apple has always focused on external devices and using an ever changing
>> interface to support those devices. The latest is Thunderbolt.  It fits
>> into their non-standard case philosophy. They also have a build it the
>> way you want it from day one or you are screwed philosophy. Upgrades
>> that are trivial to a PC can be extremely expensive or impossible with
>> some Apple devices.
>> 
>> I find OSX to be quite bloated and Apple systems to be nothing special
>> considering their high price.
> 
> Yep. I would gladly buy good Apple computer for a price. But they sell
> subpar systems considering high price.

Yes. I advise people buying an Apple to make certain they buy the Apple 
Care plan because repairing Apple products can quickly get very 
expensive. 



-- 
Meat
Why do they call you Meat? Is it because you are so big?
Yep. You catch em and I'll stretch em.
My college nickname was "The Stretch-Her"

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#352906

On 4/30/16, 7:10 AM, in article ng2ecc$4o7$5@dont-email.me, "meat"
<meat.stretcher@linuxmail.org> wrote:

>>> Apple has always focused on external devices and using an ever changing
>>> interface to support those devices. The latest is Thunderbolt.  It fits
>>> into their non-standard case philosophy. They also have a build it the
>>> way you want it from day one or you are screwed philosophy. Upgrades
>>> that are trivial to a PC can be extremely expensive or impossible with
>>> some Apple devices.
>>> 
>>> I find OSX to be quite bloated and Apple systems to be nothing special
>>> considering their high price.
>> 
>> Yep. I would gladly buy good Apple computer for a price. But they sell
>> subpar systems considering high price.
> 
> Yes. I advise people buying an Apple to make certain they buy the Apple
> Care plan because repairing Apple products can quickly get very
> expensive. 

For iMacs I buy it... but not for my iPod Touch or Mac mini. Just too
expensive compared to the cost of the device.

AppleCare is EXCELLENT... and Apple has sent technicians to my house from
over 100 miles away. No questions asked. And with the machine they could not
fix they replaced it with a newer and better model (the one I am currently
on). They even put a bigger hard drive and more memory in it. The only thing
I had to pay for was, well, a new AppleCare policy. Even then they refunded
the remaining time from the old machine.


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#352796

On 2016-04-29, GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:

// snip

> Actually, he is right on this one.  Wifes new iMac has a 5400 rpm HD in 
> it.  On startup it is very slow for whatever reasons.  Starting up Xcode 
> on it ... may as well go get a cup of coffee and then come back.
> The mac also slows down really bad over a week... then you have to go to 
> the culprit-> email app.  Seems that it is always busy zipping logs to 
> the user account deep down into the Logs directory.  After removing them 
> the system comes back to its original sluggishness.  I really don't know 
> what they did to El Capitan, but Snow leopard was a whole lot better on 
> just a dual intel cpu.

You're not the only one who feels this way. It's a dick move on Apple's
part to get you to bump yourself up to a Fusion drive. Anything to save
a buck and keep that 40% gross margin. Here we have a company with $230
bn offset by $70 bn of debt which doesn't mind absolutely stupid stock
buybacks rather than investing it in something revenue generating. They
could give customers a better value, but no. 

Dell likes to have a shit 5400 RPM drive be default as well, but to
upgrade out of it is typically very low cost and typically you have a
lot of choices as to how and what you upgrade. With Apple the upgrades
they provide are expensive. And good luck getting that drive out. You'll
have to pull the display apart from the shell to get to the drive. So
much for great design. It's a BIC lighter. 

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#352966

On 04/29/16 19:34, Marek Novotny wrote:
> On 2016-04-29, GreyCloud<mist@cumulus.com>  wrote:
>
> // snip
>
>> Actually, he is right on this one.  Wifes new iMac has a 5400 rpm HD in
>> it.  On startup it is very slow for whatever reasons.  Starting up Xcode
>> on it ... may as well go get a cup of coffee and then come back.
>> The mac also slows down really bad over a week... then you have to go to
>> the culprit->  email app.  Seems that it is always busy zipping logs to
>> the user account deep down into the Logs directory.  After removing them
>> the system comes back to its original sluggishness.  I really don't know
>> what they did to El Capitan, but Snow leopard was a whole lot better on
>> just a dual intel cpu.
>
> You're not the only one who feels this way. It's a dick move on Apple's
> part to get you to bump yourself up to a Fusion drive. Anything to save
> a buck and keep that 40% gross margin. Here we have a company with $230
> bn offset by $70 bn of debt which doesn't mind absolutely stupid stock
> buybacks rather than investing it in something revenue generating. They
> could give customers a better value, but no.
>
> Dell likes to have a shit 5400 RPM drive be default as well, but to
> upgrade out of it is typically very low cost and typically you have a
> lot of choices as to how and what you upgrade. With Apple the upgrades
> they provide are expensive. And good luck getting that drive out. You'll
> have to pull the display apart from the shell to get to the drive. So
> much for great design. It's a BIC lighter.
>
For my wifes sake, not mine, I had to buy their 3 year maintenance 
contract.  If it breaks you usually get a new iMac out of the deal.

I saw the youtube video of taking apart the new iMac and you have to buy 
a kit to do so.  A rather touch and go sort of thing I don't want to go 
thru.

The real pisser is the email app.  If one uses the classic mode, and 
then move the separator bar between received emails and the email 
message down to the very bottom... well, most people will see this small 
dot on the bar at the bottom and try to click on it, or move the mouse 
up and down a bit to get the up-arrow-bar and try to move the separator 
bar and nothing happens.  What I discovered is that you have to continue 
moving that up-arrow-bar just about to the top of the window before the 
bar all of a sudden snaps up.  A pretty lame mechanism that is pretty 
bad by design.
The other bug in their email app, is if you receive a photo by email and 
then try to print it out.  Most of the times it only prints a portion of 
the photo and thats all you get.

The only good app they have is photos for the average user.
The rest of the os isn't as well documented as I'd like it to be.
For me it isn't my choice.

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#352967

On 04/29/16 20:00, Snit wrote:
> On 4/29/16, 6:34 PM, in article
> u9SdnXXdyuoWlrnKnZ2dnUU7-c3NnZ2d@giganews.com, "Marek Novotny"
> <marek.novotny@marspolar.com>  wrote:
>
>> On 2016-04-29, GreyCloud<mist@cumulus.com>  wrote:
>>
>> // snip
>>
>>> Actually, he is right on this one.  Wifes new iMac has a 5400 rpm HD in
>>> it.  On startup it is very slow for whatever reasons.  Starting up Xcode
>>> on it ... may as well go get a cup of coffee and then come back.
>>> The mac also slows down really bad over a week... then you have to go to
>>> the culprit->  email app.  Seems that it is always busy zipping logs to
>>> the user account deep down into the Logs directory.  After removing them
>>> the system comes back to its original sluggishness.  I really don't know
>>> what they did to El Capitan, but Snow leopard was a whole lot better on
>>> just a dual intel cpu.
>>
>> You're not the only one who feels this way. It's a dick move on Apple's
>> part to get you to bump yourself up to a Fusion drive. Anything to save
>> a buck and keep that 40% gross margin. Here we have a company with $230
>> bn offset by $70 bn of debt which doesn't mind absolutely stupid stock
>> buybacks rather than investing it in something revenue generating. They
>> could give customers a better value, but no.
>
> They give excellent value. In comparison after comparison their machines
> cost about the same as *comparable* PCs. If there was a cheaper machine that
> served me as well as my Mac I would love to move to it.
>
> But I invest money into tools I know I will use well and which will serve me
> better than lower end ones. I have a high quality food processor and blender
> because I know I will get good use out of them and I enjoy cooking. I have a
> fairly low end car because I do not drive much and do not care much about
> that.
>
>> Dell likes to have a shit 5400 RPM drive be default as well, but to
>> upgrade out of it is typically very low cost and typically you have a
>> lot of choices as to how and what you upgrade. With Apple the upgrades
>> they provide are expensive. And good luck getting that drive out. You'll
>> have to pull the display apart from the shell to get to the drive. So
>> much for great design. It's a BIC lighter.
>
> I agree the drive speed is just absurd to have be 5400. They should have
> moved past that long ago.
>
>
Problem is with El capitan is that it still has some bugs that are quite 
noticeable... especially their email app.
My old dual core Snow Leopard iMac was a lot faster than this new one 
for my wife.
I thought about just giving it to my grandson, but then I don't want to 
make him mad.

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#352980

On 4/30/16, 4:23 PM, in article ng3ekf$5p0$2@dont-email.me, "GreyCloud"
<mist@cumulus.com> wrote:

>> They give excellent value. In comparison after comparison their machines
>> cost about the same as *comparable* PCs. If there was a cheaper machine that
>> served me as well as my Mac I would love to move to it.
>> 
>> But I invest money into tools I know I will use well and which will serve me
>> better than lower end ones. I have a high quality food processor and blender
>> because I know I will get good use out of them and I enjoy cooking. I have a
>> fairly low end car because I do not drive much and do not care much about
>> that.
>> 
>>> Dell likes to have a shit 5400 RPM drive be default as well, but to
>>> upgrade out of it is typically very low cost and typically you have a
>>> lot of choices as to how and what you upgrade. With Apple the upgrades
>>> they provide are expensive. And good luck getting that drive out. You'll
>>> have to pull the display apart from the shell to get to the drive. So
>>> much for great design. It's a BIC lighter.
>> 
>> I agree the drive speed is just absurd to have be 5400. They should have
>> moved past that long ago.
>> 
>> 
> Problem is with El capitan is that it still has some bugs that are quite
> noticeable... especially their email app.

I ended up having to reset it and let it re-import the mails (which took
forever because I have a lot). Other than that it works... though DockStar,
an add-on I have for it, can be a bit flakey with showing when I get emails
in Smart Folders. 

> My old dual core Snow Leopard iMac was a lot faster than this new one
> for my wife.
> I thought about just giving it to my grandson, but then I don't want to
> make him mad.

My suggestion: 
* Quit Mail
* Backup ~/Library/Mail/
* Go to: ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData and delete the envelope indexes...
* Relaunch Mail. Be prepared to wait for it to "import" (I think you have to
hit an option to import).

Now Mail will be a lot faster and work better.


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#352656

On 4/29/2016 3:30 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:


> The linux box is doing the compile of a *very* large project (more
> than 200.000 lines of source code)


200K lines of code?  Sounds huge.  Years-long project?

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#352658

DFS wrote:

> On 4/29/2016 3:30 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> 
> 
>> The linux box is doing the compile of a *very* large project (more
>> than 200.000 lines of source code)
> 
> 
> 200K lines of code?  Sounds huge.  Years-long project?

Yes. It is a project I started in the early 90th and which I have rewritten 
from scratch about 8 years ago and all the time extended and perfected.

The first version was windows only, written in Borlands C++
It needed to be redone because the external supplier of a printing library 
went out of business and all the printing had to be redone from scratch (one 
of the dangers of using closed source. You can be certain I will not make 
that false decision ever again. You get into dependencies you don't want to 
ever have)

I rewrote it completely fromn scratch using Qt C++, and by that gained 
source code compatibility across windows, OSX and linux. The same source 
compiles on all of those platforms, getting programs which behave exactly 
the same and use the same data formats and DBs (MySQL), yet have the look 
and feel of the native platform.

I naturally had the advantage of knowing what had to be done, which design 
errors were made the first time, and naturally what could be made better on 
rewrite. Most important was that I could reuse the (very complex) 
mathematical routines for evaluation from the first version without changes. 
That saved considerable amounts of time as those had not to be tested again 
with lots of test-data, but all the rest had to be rewritten completely 
which took 2 years for the first (new) version (still *extremely* fast for 
that amount of code. Well, it was about 160.000 lines then)

It is a project where psychological tests (made online and coded answers are 
sent by eMail automatically) are evaluated. The project has currently 14 
different psychological tests, and it is available in 17 languages. Next 
languages which will be added are arabic and hebrew. Also 1 language has 
been dropped for the time being (Thai), as the tests have to be adapted 
heavily for souther asian people. They "tick" differently than europeans 

Note that the languages change nothing on the project itself, as the 
translations are made on the fly by the Qt built in translation engine after 
the original language has been worked on by a profesional translator

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#352672

On 2016-04-29, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

// snip

> Yes. It is a project I started in the early 90th and which I have rewritten 
> from scratch about 8 years ago and all the time extended and perfected.
>
> The first version was windows only, written in Borlands C++
> It needed to be redone because the external supplier of a printing library 
> went out of business and all the printing had to be redone from scratch (one 
> of the dangers of using closed source. You can be certain I will not make 
> that false decision ever again. You get into dependencies you don't want to 
> ever have)

+1 absolutely right on. 

// snip

-- 
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

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#352676

On 4/29/2016 9:44 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> DFS wrote:
>
>> On 4/29/2016 3:30 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The linux box is doing the compile of a *very* large project (more
>>> than 200.000 lines of source code)
>>
>>
>> 200K lines of code?  Sounds huge.  Years-long project?
>
> Yes. It is a project I started in the early 90th and which I have rewritten
> from scratch about 8 years ago and all the time extended and perfected.
>
> The first version was windows only, written in Borlands C++
> It needed to be redone because the external supplier of a printing library
> went out of business and all the printing had to be redone from scratch (one
> of the dangers of using closed source. You can be certain I will not make
> that false decision ever again. You get into dependencies you don't want to
> ever have)
>
> I rewrote it completely fromn scratch using Qt C++, and by that gained
> source code compatibility across windows, OSX and linux. The same source
> compiles on all of those platforms, getting programs which behave exactly
> the same and use the same data formats and DBs (MySQL), yet have the look
> and feel of the native platform.
>
> I naturally had the advantage of knowing what had to be done, which design
> errors were made the first time, and naturally what could be made better on
> rewrite. Most important was that I could reuse the (very complex)
> mathematical routines for evaluation from the first version without changes.
> That saved considerable amounts of time as those had not to be tested again
> with lots of test-data, but all the rest had to be rewritten completely
> which took 2 years for the first (new) version (still *extremely* fast for
> that amount of code. Well, it was about 160.000 lines then)
>
> It is a project where psychological tests (made online and coded answers are
> sent by eMail automatically) are evaluated. The project has currently 14
> different psychological tests, and it is available in 17 languages. Next
> languages which will be added are arabic and hebrew. Also 1 language has
> been dropped for the time being (Thai), as the tests have to be adapted
> heavily for souther asian people. They "tick" differently than europeans
>
> Note that the languages change nothing on the project itself, as the
> translations are made on the fly by the Qt built in translation engine after
> the original language has been worked on by a profesional translator


Sounds like a good project.

My Dad's a shrink.  I've taken MANY psych tests thru the years, from him 
and in job interviews etc.  I always played a game: I looked for them to 
use the same question several times, but phrased differently to try and 
check your honesty.  I'm sure your math routines do regression testing 
and ferret out things like that.

Here in the US, Janus Assoc. is a big industrial psych testing company. 
Ever heard of them?  I took their tests when applying for work at Delta 
Airlines.

Who did the db behind your system?

In the past, I designed a 45-table survey system (plus created all the 
front-end) for a client who used it to do post-opening franchise visits, 
interface it back to their guest satisfaction and revenue mgmt systems, etc.

It had a master list of questions from which you could pick to combine 
create new surveys, use different answer scales, question categories, 
screen and report ordering, etc.  Similar to your survey system I would 
guess.

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#352678

On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 10:07:52 AM UTC-6, DFS wrote:
> On 4/29/2016 9:44 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> > DFS wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/29/2016 3:30 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> The linux box is doing the compile of a *very* large project (more
> >>> than 200.000 lines of source code)
> >>
> >>
> >> 200K lines of code?  Sounds huge.  Years-long project?
> >
> > Yes. It is a project I started in the early 90th and which I have rewritten
> > from scratch about 8 years ago and all the time extended and perfected.
> >
> > The first version was windows only, written in Borlands C++
> > It needed to be redone because the external supplier of a printing library
> > went out of business and all the printing had to be redone from scratch (one
> > of the dangers of using closed source. You can be certain I will not make
> > that false decision ever again. You get into dependencies you don't want to
> > ever have)
> >
> > I rewrote it completely fromn scratch using Qt C++, and by that gained
> > source code compatibility across windows, OSX and linux. The same source
> > compiles on all of those platforms, getting programs which behave exactly
> > the same and use the same data formats and DBs (MySQL), yet have the look
> > and feel of the native platform.
> >
> > I naturally had the advantage of knowing what had to be done, which design
> > errors were made the first time, and naturally what could be made better on
> > rewrite. Most important was that I could reuse the (very complex)
> > mathematical routines for evaluation from the first version without changes.
> > That saved considerable amounts of time as those had not to be tested again
> > with lots of test-data, but all the rest had to be rewritten completely
> > which took 2 years for the first (new) version (still *extremely* fast for
> > that amount of code. Well, it was about 160.000 lines then)
> >
> > It is a project where psychological tests (made online and coded answers are
> > sent by eMail automatically) are evaluated. The project has currently 14
> > different psychological tests, and it is available in 17 languages. Next
> > languages which will be added are arabic and hebrew. Also 1 language has
> > been dropped for the time being (Thai), as the tests have to be adapted
> > heavily for souther asian people. They "tick" differently than europeans
> >
> > Note that the languages change nothing on the project itself, as the
> > translations are made on the fly by the Qt built in translation engine after
> > the original language has been worked on by a profesional translator
> 
> 
> Sounds like a good project.
> 
> My Dad's a shrink.  I've taken MANY psych tests thru the years, from him 
> and in job interviews etc.  I always played a game: I looked for them to 
> use the same question several times, but phrased differently to try and 
> check your honesty.  I'm sure your math routines do regression testing 
> and ferret out things like that.
> 
> Here in the US, Janus Assoc. is a big industrial psych testing company. 
> Ever heard of them?  I took their tests when applying for work at Delta 
> Airlines.
> 
> Who did the db behind your system?
> 
> In the past, I designed a 45-table survey system (plus created all the 
> front-end) for a client who used it to do post-opening franchise visits, 
> interface it back to their guest satisfaction and revenue mgmt systems, etc.
> 
> It had a master list of questions from which you could pick to combine 
> create new surveys, use different answer scales, question categories, 
> screen and report ordering, etc.  Similar to your survey system I would 
> guess.

I wonder how the questions have changed on these kinds of surveys in light of increased global terrorism in the last couple of decades or so.

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#352687

Steve Carroll wrote:

> On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 10:07:52 AM UTC-6, DFS wrote:
>> On 4/29/2016 9:44 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> > DFS wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 4/29/2016 3:30 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> The linux box is doing the compile of a *very* large project (more
>> >>> than 200.000 lines of source code)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 200K lines of code?  Sounds huge.  Years-long project?
>> >
>> > Yes. It is a project I started in the early 90th and which I have
>> > rewritten from scratch about 8 years ago and all the time extended and
>> > perfected.
>> >
>> > The first version was windows only, written in Borlands C++
>> > It needed to be redone because the external supplier of a printing
>> > library went out of business and all the printing had to be redone from
>> > scratch (one of the dangers of using closed source. You can be certain
>> > I will not make that false decision ever again. You get into
>> > dependencies you don't want to ever have)
>> >
>> > I rewrote it completely fromn scratch using Qt C++, and by that gained
>> > source code compatibility across windows, OSX and linux. The same
>> > source compiles on all of those platforms, getting programs which
>> > behave exactly the same and use the same data formats and DBs (MySQL),
>> > yet have the look and feel of the native platform.
>> >
>> > I naturally had the advantage of knowing what had to be done, which
>> > design errors were made the first time, and naturally what could be
>> > made better on rewrite. Most important was that I could reuse the (very
>> > complex) mathematical routines for evaluation from the first version
>> > without changes. That saved considerable amounts of time as those had
>> > not to be tested again with lots of test-data, but all the rest had to
>> > be rewritten completely which took 2 years for the first (new) version
>> > (still *extremely* fast for that amount of code. Well, it was about
>> > 160.000 lines then)
>> >
>> > It is a project where psychological tests (made online and coded
>> > answers are sent by eMail automatically) are evaluated. The project has
>> > currently 14 different psychological tests, and it is available in 17
>> > languages. Next languages which will be added are arabic and hebrew.
>> > Also 1 language has been dropped for the time being (Thai), as the
>> > tests have to be adapted heavily for souther asian people. They "tick"
>> > differently than europeans
>> >
>> > Note that the languages change nothing on the project itself, as the
>> > translations are made on the fly by the Qt built in translation engine
>> > after the original language has been worked on by a profesional
>> > translator
>> 
>> 
>> Sounds like a good project.
>> 
>> My Dad's a shrink.  I've taken MANY psych tests thru the years, from him
>> and in job interviews etc.  I always played a game: I looked for them to
>> use the same question several times, but phrased differently to try and
>> check your honesty.  I'm sure your math routines do regression testing
>> and ferret out things like that.
>> 
>> Here in the US, Janus Assoc. is a big industrial psych testing company.
>> Ever heard of them?  I took their tests when applying for work at Delta
>> Airlines.
>> 
>> Who did the db behind your system?
>> 
>> In the past, I designed a 45-table survey system (plus created all the
>> front-end) for a client who used it to do post-opening franchise visits,
>> interface it back to their guest satisfaction and revenue mgmt systems,
>> etc.
>> 
>> It had a master list of questions from which you could pick to combine
>> create new surveys, use different answer scales, question categories,
>> screen and report ordering, etc.  Similar to your survey system I would
>> guess.
> 
> I wonder how the questions have changed on these kinds of surveys in light
> of increased global terrorism in the last couple of decades or so.

Not at all. For example: The test for "social competence" has 171 questions, 
one part of it though has 25 questions which each need 6 answers, so there 
are nearly 300 answers in total.
Each of those questions is completely harmless and depicts a everyday 
situation. If this weren't the case, I would have to constantly adapt the 
tests, which makes it impossible to compare to previous tests.

As the companies which buy those tests mainly use them for people already 
employed, they often do a rerun of the test (after one year, for example. It 
is recommanded that at least half a year has passed before redoing the 
test).
That way they get to see if the people worked on the factors which needed 
some training, and if that did help.

You don't want to change the questions too much then, you know.
Also the auditing of the tests has to be redone then, which is *very* 
expensive

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#352699

On 4/29/2016 12:13 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:

> I wonder how the questions have changed on these kinds of surveys in
> light of increased global terrorism in the last couple of decades or
> so.


"Are you a terrorist?  Circle Yes or No"


That's all it takes...

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