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| Started by | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| First post | 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500 |
| Last post | 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500 |
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The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:52 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 07:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 23:15 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-23 23:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:48 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-25 06:54 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-25 20:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 22:23 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-28 07:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 16:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 19:34 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 15:07 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 17:11 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:16 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:24 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 15:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 18:58 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 18:35 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:51 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:48 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:15 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:49 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 08:31 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 21:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 01:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-18 11:54 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:46 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:51 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 09:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:44 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:14 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-29 01:43 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 21:17 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 20:41 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:31 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:24 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:18 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:44 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:36 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2024-12-31 19:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 11:46 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:27 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:16 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 02:30 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 01:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:15 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 19:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:30 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 12:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 13:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:45 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-01 14:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 22:03 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:41 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:15 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:03 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 08:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 10:29 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:38 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 11:45 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 12:00 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 18:01 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 13:59 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 20:45 +0000
The Desktop Environment (was: Re: The problem with not owning the software) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-05 03:05 +0000
Re: The Desktop Environment (was: Re: The problem with not owning the software) pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-05 17:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-04 20:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-04 15:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-04 11:23 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:13 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-04 21:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 00:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:07 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:23 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-07 02:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-07 02:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 14:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 02:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 13:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:28 +0000
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 06:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:20 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-08 12:21 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 14:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 21:18 -0500
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 02:34 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 22:08 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:34 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 07:19 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 10:39 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:39 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:13 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-05 08:52 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 21:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:38 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 13:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 08:48 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:02 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 09:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 20:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:32 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-05 11:05 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 13:29 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 13:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 15:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 10:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 10:28 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 11:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-06 12:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 12:40 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-06 14:23 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-06 16:27 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-29 07:41 -0700
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:05 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 09:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 20:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-03 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 23:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:25 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:49 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 15:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:20 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:11 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-06 16:16 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-11 11:36 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:20 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 18:58 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 02:18 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:41 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 13:54 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:43 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 10:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:37 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-04 19:43 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 18:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 19:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-01 01:43 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:32 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:29 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 18:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-03 08:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 14:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 19:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:17 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 14:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-30 19:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-31 10:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 08:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-31 12:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-04 10:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-01-04 10:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vlbkb2$h0k1$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682038 |
On 1/1/2025 7:43 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > >> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:54:08 -0500, DFS wrote: >> >>> Thanks for that great link. I haven't written any meaningful VBA code >>> in years, but it helps make MS Office the only office software worth >>> considering if you need custom applications. >> >> Nobody has written meaningful VBA code in years. > > Not that anyone needs this, but... > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/BASIC_Guide I've been itching for the better part of 20 years for a cola-based MS Office detractor to do some significant LO/Basic coding so it could be compared to my Office/VBA. In all that time, nobody has stepped up. The closest was Feeb who wrote 20 lines of LO Basic sloppy-slop 8.5 years ago. MS Office remains LibreOffice's master, decade after decade
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-01-05 00:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlck8b$mcpa$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682780 |
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 10:32:52 -0500, DFS wrote:
> I've been itching for the better part of 20 years for a cola-based MS
> Office detractor to do some significant LO/Basic coding so it could be
> compared to my Office/VBA.
Do you have an equivalent to this <https://github.com/eea/odfpy>?
Here’s just one part of my invoice-formatting code:
def write_invoice_header(self, invoice) :
self.doc = odf.opendocument.OpenDocumentText()
self.invoice_prefix = invoice["invoice_prefix"]
now = time.time()
for \
this_meta \
in \
(
odf.dc.Title(text = "Invoice for %s" % invoice["client_name"].split("\n", 1)[0]),
odf.dc.Creator(text = "Geek Central Business"),
odf.meta.CreationDate(text = format_odf_time(now)),
odf.dc.Date(text = format_odf_time(now)), # interpreted by OOo as modification date
) \
:
self.doc.meta.addElement(this_meta)
#end for
self.doc.fontfacedecls.addElement \
(
odf.style.FontFace
(
name = invoice_font,
fontfamilygeneric = "roman",
fontpitch = "variable"
)
)
default_text_properties = odf.style.TextProperties \
(
fontname = invoice_font,
fontfamilygeneric = "roman"
)
default_text_properties.setAttrNS(odf.namespaces.FONS, "font-family", invoice_font)
link_element \
(
construct = odf.style.DefaultStyle,
attrs = dict(family = "paragraph"),
parent = self.doc.styles,
children =
(
default_text_properties,
odf.style.ParagraphProperties
(
marginbottom = "0.21cm",
lineheight = "115%",
),
)
)
self.doc.text.addElement \
(
odf.text.P
(
stylename = link_element
(
construct = odf.style.Style,
attrs = dict(name = "top title", family = "paragraph"),
parent = self.doc.automaticstyles,
children =
(
odf.style.ParagraphProperties
(
textalign = "center",
marginbottom = "0.71cm"
),
)
),
text = "%(gst)sINVOICE" % {"gst" : ("", "TAX ")[self.gst_rate != None]}
)
)
cust_info_item_attrs = dict \
(
textindent = "-2.0cm", # counteract marginleft on first line
marginleft = "2.0cm", # indent for lines after first
)
cust_info_item_style = link_element \
(
construct = odf.style.Style,
attrs = dict(name = "cust info item", family = "paragraph"),
parent = self.doc.automaticstyles,
children =
(
odf.style.ParagraphProperties(**cust_info_item_attrs),
)
)
cust_info_item_attrs["breakbefore"] = "column"
cust_info_item_style_2 = link_element \
(
construct = odf.style.Style,
attrs = dict(name = "cust info item 2", family = "paragraph"),
parent = self.doc.automaticstyles,
children =
(
odf.style.ParagraphProperties(**cust_info_item_attrs),
)
)
cust_info_style = link_element \
(
construct = odf.style.Style,
attrs = dict(name = "cust info", family = "section"),
parent = self.doc.automaticstyles,
children =
(
link_element \
(
construct = odf.style.SectionProperties,
children =
(
odf.style.Columns(columncount = 2),
)
),
)
)
cust_info_name_style = link_element \
(
construct = odf.style.Style,
attrs = dict(name = "cust info name", family = "text"),
parent = self.doc.automaticstyles,
children =
(
odf.style.TextProperties(fontweight = "bold"),
)
)
cust_info = odf.text.Section(name = "cust info", stylename = cust_info_style)
for \
item_name, item_value, new_col \
in \
(
(
("Client", invoice["client_name"] + "\n" + invoice["client_address"], False),
("Contact", invoice["client_contact"], False),
("Date", format_pretty_date(invoice["when_generated"]), True),
(
"Pay to",
"\n".join((details.name, details.address_1, details.address_2))
+
(
"\n" + details.country_name,
"",
)[self.gst_rate != None],
False
),
("Bank a/c", details.bank_account, False),
)
+
(
(),
(
("GST No", details.ird_nr, False),
)
)[self.gst_rate != None]
) \
:
this_item = odf.text.P \
(
stylename = (cust_info_item_style, cust_info_item_style_2)[new_col]
)
add_elements \
(
this_item,
odf.text.Span(stylename = cust_info_name_style, text = item_name),
odf.text.Tab(),
)
first_line = True
for line in item_value.split("\n") :
if not first_line :
this_item.addElement(odf.text.LineBreak())
#end if
this_item.addElement \
(
odf.text.Span(text = line)
)
first_line = False
#end for
cust_info.addElement(this_item)
#end for
self.doc.text.addElement(cust_info)
link_element \
(
construct = odf.text.P,
attrs = dict
(
stylename = link_element
(
construct = odf.style.Style,
attrs = dict(name = "work header", family = "paragraph"),
parent = self.doc.automaticstyles,
children =
(
odf.style.TextProperties(fontweight = "bold"),
link_element
(
construct = odf.style.ParagraphProperties,
children =
(
make_tab_stops((dict(position = "15.1cm"),)),
)
),
)
)
),
parent = self.doc.text,
children =
(
odf.text.Span(text = "Description of Work"),
odf.text.Tab(),
odf.text.Span(text = "Charge"),
)
)
self.work_item_tabs = \
(
dict
(
type = "char",
char = ".",
position = "15.9cm"
),
) # I can't simply build one odf.style.TabStops object and reuse it
self.work_item_style = link_element \
(
construct = odf.style.Style,
attrs = dict(name = "work item", family = "paragraph"),
parent = self.doc.automaticstyles,
children =
(
link_element
(
construct = odf.style.ParagraphProperties,
children =
(
make_tab_stops(self.work_item_tabs),
)
),
)
)
#end write_invoice_header
I can post more, if you like.
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-01-04 19:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vlckj5$m9kt$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682860 |
On 1/4/2025 7:37 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 10:32:52 -0500, DFS wrote: > >> I've been itching for the better part of 20 years for a cola-based MS >> Office detractor to do some significant LO/Basic coding so it could be >> compared to my Office/VBA. <snip> > I can post more, if you like. Why did you post python code? I explained clearly what's making me itch.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlcrsm$nnc8$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682865 |
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 19:43:21 -0500, DFS wrote: > Why did you post python code? Because that’s what I use to automate my office operations. So, can you come up with better VBA code than that?
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2024-12-31 18:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl1et9$2c01d$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681831 |
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 02:18:09 -0500, DFS wrote: > On 12/30/2024 7:59 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 18:58:06 -0500, DFS wrote: >> >>> If you ever do need to automate office software or build custom >>> applications, you'll find that MS Office and VBA is extremely superior >>> to ALL other office software. >> >> Unfortunately, no. > > You have NO idea what you're talking about. Says the one who doesn’t do this kind of stuff for a living. >> Even Microsoft realizes that VBA is crap, which is why >> it is offering Python access to Excel users -- at a cost, of course. > > Python can't come close to replacing VBA (and vice versa of course). VBA is just an automation language for Office -- and not a good one at that. Python is a proper programming language. Which Microsoft seems to think Office users will actually be willing to pay extra for. That tells you all you need to know.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2024-12-31 19:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ltiuohF2k4sU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #681831 |
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 02:18:09 -0500, DFS wrote: > On 12/30/2024 7:59 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 18:58:06 -0500, DFS wrote: >> >>> If you ever do need to automate office software or build custom >>> applications, you'll find that MS Office and VBA is extremely superior >>> to ALL other office software. >> >> Unfortunately, no. > > You have NO idea what you're talking about. > > > > Even Microsoft realizes that VBA is crap, which is why it is offering > > Python access to Excel users -- at a cost, of course. > > Python can't come close to replacing VBA (and vice versa of course). Esri did a good job of replacing VBA. https://www.esri.com/arcgis-blog/products/arcgis-desktop/3d-gis/arcgis- desktop-and-vba-moving-forward/?rmedium=redirect&rsource=blogs.esri.com/ esri/arcgis/2016/11/14/arcgis-desktop-and-vba-moving-forward They had their own scripting language, Avenue, and switched to VBA over 20 years ago, https://www.esri.com/news/arcnews/fall02articles/new-tool.html For a while VBA and Python coexisted, but VBA was phased out. Enjoy living in the past.
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| From | DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2024-12-31 19:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vl22ei$2eucj$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681908 |
On 12/31/2024 2:25 PM, rbowman wrote: > On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 02:18:09 -0500, DFS wrote: > >> On 12/30/2024 7:59 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 18:58:06 -0500, DFS wrote: >>> >>>> If you ever do need to automate office software or build custom >>>> applications, you'll find that MS Office and VBA is extremely superior >>>> to ALL other office software. >>> >>> Unfortunately, no. >> >> You have NO idea what you're talking about. >> >> >> > Even Microsoft realizes that VBA is crap, which is why it is offering >> > Python access to Excel users -- at a cost, of course. >> >> Python can't come close to replacing VBA (and vice versa of course). > > Esri did a good job of replacing VBA. > > https://www.esri.com/arcgis-blog/products/arcgis-desktop/3d-gis/arcgis- > desktop-and-vba-moving-forward/?rmedium=redirect&rsource=blogs.esri.com/ > esri/arcgis/2016/11/14/arcgis-desktop-and-vba-moving-forward > > They had their own scripting language, Avenue, and switched to VBA over 20 > years ago, > > https://www.esri.com/news/arcnews/fall02articles/new-tool.html The best embedded scripting language I came across was Borland ObjectPAL (a derivative of Delphi), included with Borland Paradox for Windows in the early-mid 90s. PDoxWin lives on in WordPerfect Office; not sure if it still uses ObjectPAL. WP includes a limited VBA. > For a while VBA and Python coexisted, but VBA was phased out. Of what? > Enjoy living in the past. VBA is thriving in Office 2024 and 365. Get with the present.
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-01-01 01:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ltjktpF61fhU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #681965 |
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 19:32:19 -0500, DFS wrote: > On 12/31/2024 2:25 PM, rbowman wrote: >> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 02:18:09 -0500, DFS wrote: >> >>> On 12/30/2024 7:59 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 18:58:06 -0500, DFS wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you ever do need to automate office software or build custom >>>>> applications, you'll find that MS Office and VBA is extremely >>>>> superior to ALL other office software. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, no. >>> >>> You have NO idea what you're talking about. >>> >>> >>> > Even Microsoft realizes that VBA is crap, which is why it is >>> > offering Python access to Excel users -- at a cost, of course. >>> >>> Python can't come close to replacing VBA (and vice versa of course). >> >> Esri did a good job of replacing VBA. >> >> https://www.esri.com/arcgis-blog/products/arcgis-desktop/3d-gis/arcgis- >> desktop-and-vba-moving-forward/? rmedium=redirect&rsource=blogs.esri.com/ >> esri/arcgis/2016/11/14/arcgis-desktop-and-vba-moving-forward >> >> They had their own scripting language, Avenue, and switched to VBA over >> 20 years ago, >> >> https://www.esri.com/news/arcnews/fall02articles/new-tool.html > > > The best embedded scripting language I came across was Borland ObjectPAL > (a derivative of Delphi), included with Borland Paradox for Windows in > the early-mid 90s. PDoxWin lives on in WordPerfect Office; not sure if > it still uses ObjectPAL. WP includes a limited VBA. My first experience with Windows was using the Borland IDE and OWL. I liked it better than MFC but when you're the 700 pound gorilla... >> For a whil MS would dearly e VBA and Python coexisted, but VBA was phased out. > > Of what? Esri. Try to follow along. >> Enjoy living in the past. > > VBA is thriving in Office 2024 and 365. Get with the present. As I've mentioned many times I have never used Office so I haven't followed VBA. I have a suspicion that like WinForms MS would dearly love to drown VBA in a bathtub but there is too much baggage. I'm not sure they've even managed to eradicate classic Visual Basic. There was a whole cottage industry of VB controls that didn't transfer to VB .NET afaik.
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| From | "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2024-12-25 11:53 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <vkfviv$28j6f$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #681168 |
On 24/12/2024 7:24 am, Ant wrote: > In alt.comp.os.windows-11 Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote: >> If you really paid for it, the online check should still tell you that >> you own it, or at least, you have a "digital entitlement". :) > > And if this company goes away... :( So you wanna talk about real and virtual? Well... :)
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vktlcp$1i26p$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #680982 |
CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > Le 2024-12-21 à 03:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit : >> On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote: >>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users- >>> hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/> >>> >>> Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product >>> Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps. >>> >> >> It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a real- >> time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and >> "offline". :) > > The moment you require an online account to verify if you are the person > who bought the software, you don't own it. You've never "owned" software, afaia. At best, you own a licence which allows you to use the software within the terms of the licence. If you break the terms then you can lose the right to use the software.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2024-12-30 10:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4IycP.183255$DYF8.173507@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #681702 |
On 2024-12-30 03:24, Chris wrote: > CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >> Le 2024-12-21 à 03:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit : >>> On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users- >>>> hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/> >>>> >>>> Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product >>>> Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps. >>>> >>> >>> It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a real- >>> time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and >>> "offline". :) >> >> The moment you require an online account to verify if you are the person >> who bought the software, you don't own it. > > You've never "owned" software, afaia. At best, you own a licence which > allows you to use the software within the terms of the licence. If you > break the terms then you can lose the right to use the software. It's pretty easy to own the software if you use open-source, to be honest. You have access to the code and can do as you wish with it as long as you agree to share your modifications with the people who offered it to you. That's as good as it gets outside of producing your own program. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2024-12-31 20:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5ftd4lx9h4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #681728 |
On 2024-12-30 16:08, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > On 2024-12-30 03:24, Chris wrote: >> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-21 à 03:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit : >>>> On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users- >>>>> hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/> >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product >>>>> Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a real- >>>> time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and >>>> "offline". :) >>> >>> The moment you require an online account to verify if you are the person >>> who bought the software, you don't own it. >> >> You've never "owned" software, afaia. At best, you own a licence which >> allows you to use the software within the terms of the licence. If you >> break the terms then you can lose the right to use the software. > > It's pretty easy to own the software if you use open-source, to be > honest. You have access to the code and can do as you wish with it as > long as you agree to share your modifications with the people who > offered it to you. That's as good as it gets outside of producing your > own program. I think you can keep your modifications to yourself, as long as you don't share or publish or sell the binary. Just your own internal usage. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 21:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <NQ1dP.111422$Uup4.9112@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #681912 |
On 2024-12-31 14:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2024-12-30 16:08, Andrzej Matuch wrote: >> On 2024-12-30 03:24, Chris wrote: >>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 03:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit : >>>>> On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users- >>>>>> hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/> >>>>>> >>>>>> Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product >>>>>> Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a real- >>>>> time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and >>>>> "offline". :) >>>> >>>> The moment you require an online account to verify if you are the >>>> person >>>> who bought the software, you don't own it. >>> >>> You've never "owned" software, afaia. At best, you own a licence which >>> allows you to use the software within the terms of the licence. If you >>> break the terms then you can lose the right to use the software. >> >> It's pretty easy to own the software if you use open-source, to be >> honest. You have access to the code and can do as you wish with it as >> long as you agree to share your modifications with the people who >> offered it to you. That's as good as it gets outside of producing your >> own program. > > I think you can keep your modifications to yourself, as long as you > don't share or publish or sell the binary. Just your own internal usage. From what I read in Stallman's books and what I know about the GPL, all of the above is correct. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 16:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl3rje$2rvfu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #681728 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: > On 2024-12-30 03:24, Chris wrote: >> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: >>> Le 2024-12-21 à 03:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit : >>>> On 20/12/2024 9:03 am, CrudeSausage wrote: >>>>> <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-365-users- >>>>> hit-by-random-product-deactivation-errors/> >>>>> >>>>> Microsoft is investigating a known issue triggering "Product >>>>> Deactivated" errors for customers using Microsoft 365 Office apps. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's not about "owning the software", but whether it requires a real- >>>> time online account to work. The usual words are "standalone" and >>>> "offline". :) >>> >>> The moment you require an online account to verify if you are the person >>> who bought the software, you don't own it. >> >> You've never "owned" software, afaia. At best, you own a licence which >> allows you to use the software within the terms of the licence. If you >> break the terms then you can lose the right to use the software. > > It's pretty easy to own the software if you use open-source, to be > honest. You have access to the code and can do as you wish with it as > long as you agree to share your modifications with the people who > offered it to you. That's as good as it gets outside of producing your > own program. You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 19:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl452u$2tjip$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682064 |
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. “Semantics” means "meaning”. So “now it’s purely meaning”?
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl5vln$3b63u$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682087 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. > > “Semantics” means "meaning”. So “now it’s purely meaning”? Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 21:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl728i$3h9eh$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #682248 |
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >> >>> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. >> >> “Semantics” means "meaning”. So “now it’s purely meaning”? > > Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a > license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning > in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership. So the distinction from actual ownership ... is that meaningful or not?
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 18:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <oVEdP.37142$oCrf.35023@fx33.iad> |
| In reply to | #682391 |
On 2025-01-02 16:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>> >>>> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. >>> >>> “Semantics” means "meaning”. So “now it’s purely meaning”? >> >> Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a >> license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning >> in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership. > > So the distinction from actual ownership ... is that meaningful or not? I'm just going to say this again because it bears repeating: 1) I don't need to make an account to download software to Linux. 2) I don't need to make an account to use the software I downloaded. 3) I can install Linux without needing to log into an account I have or create one. If privacy is a concern, those are interesting advantages. Even if you don't care about privacy, you might be sick of logging in everywhere. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl8l0p.11u4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #682398 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: > On 2025-01-02 16:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > > > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >>> > >>>> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. > >>> > >>> ?Semantics? means "meaning?. So ?now it?s purely meaning?? > >> > >> Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a > >> license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning > >> in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership. > > > > So the distinction from actual ownership ... is that meaningful or not? > > I'm just going to say this again because it bears repeating: > > 1) I don't need to make an account to download software to Linux. > 2) I don't need to make an account to use the software I downloaded. > 3) I can install Linux without needing to log into an account I have or > create one. > > If privacy is a concern, those are interesting advantages. Even if you > don't care about privacy, you might be sick of logging in everywhere. FYI, you don't need to do any of those things for/on Windows either. But most people don't know or can't be bothered that they have that option. For Windows, it's quite easy and practical. No so much for, for example, Android.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-03 08:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <f%RdP.12364$h3%7.9596@fx02.iad> |
| In reply to | #682494 |
On 2025-01-03 06:26, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: >> On 2025-01-02 16:59, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>> >>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:47:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You still don't own it, but now it's purely semantics. >>>>> >>>>> ?Semantics? means "meaning?. So ?now it?s purely meaning?? >>>> >>>> Correct. With FLOSS you don't own the software, as it's still just a >>>> license, but you can do with it more or less whatever you want. Meaning >>>> in practice it is indistinguishable from ownership. >>> >>> So the distinction from actual ownership ... is that meaningful or not? >> >> I'm just going to say this again because it bears repeating: >> >> 1) I don't need to make an account to download software to Linux. >> 2) I don't need to make an account to use the software I downloaded. >> 3) I can install Linux without needing to log into an account I have or >> create one. >> >> If privacy is a concern, those are interesting advantages. Even if you >> don't care about privacy, you might be sick of logging in everywhere. > > FYI, you don't need to do any of those things for/on Windows either. Installing Windows 11? The installer won't allow you to continue without logging in to your account. Sure, there are workarounds if you pray five times a day and stand on your head doing so, but it doesn't allow it be default. > But most people don't know or can't be bothered that they have that > option. > > For Windows, it's quite easy and practical. No so much for, for > example, Android. And what does Android have to do with this conversation? -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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